2024 Snowmobile Wet Weights: We Weigh Every Sled in Our Fleet!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Get ready for some surprises as AJ fills up fluids and weighs our entire 2024 snowmobile fleet including the Indy VR1 Boost vs the MXZ 850 Turbo R, the ZR 600 CATALYST and more, revealing model and brand differences!
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I think we need to give Cat their credit here, they came with one mission and succeeded. I thought it was a possibility that it was going to be where the Catalyst wasn’t necessarily lighter but had better ergonomics that made it feel lighter. Turns out it’s both! Now just to see what this 858 has and then maybe we can party like it’s the 1970’s again?
Would be nice if they had weighed a procross
Any reason why they didn't weigh the fastest production trail sled, the Thundercat/SRX?? This guys made his test look stupid by not weighing the procross sled which is the fastest sled. Hands down, lol.
Exactly. @@ajbertelson9871
@@roberttalbott1713 I was surprised the Thunder Cat wasn’t weighed, but I’m sure it’s because they didn’t have it for the whole season.
@@roberttalbott1713 they weighed an eps 998 last year. It was about 650lbs from what I recall. No 2 stroke procross has been weighed.
I'm glad to see this weigh-in back! Great job and I think you've done it the fairest way possible - fill everything up to the top. What does it weigh at the beginning of the day when you start to ride? That's what I want to know.
Exactly. Fill er to the top. If someone really wants to figure out why a sled weighs 5lbs less they can compare capacities.
I was hoping one of the end surprises was going to be one of the electric sleds you have test-driven. That would have been a great comparison to see. Thanks for the video.
Would have liked to see this comparison with the prior models, glad to see it back though. All we heard with the rev’s was they’re the lightest thing there is. Then when the Axys was the lightest no one ever mentioned weight again other than four strokes were heavy. It seems the Matryx put on some weight compared to Axys
I would love to see the original 2008 Ski-Doo MXZ TNT 500SS. A dry weight of 399 pounds was all the buzz at the time......Would love to see a real world weight on that one. Awesome job as always!! Keep up the great work!!
Thank you!!
Great episode fellas! Just for fun would be the 90’s and 2000’s sled weights just for entertainment and reminiscing.
Would love to get some older iron on site to throw on the scale. That'd be fun. It would probably be super random, but would make for a good video.
What about true back country sleds? That I would like to know because that's where weight means so much.... On a trail I was always under the assumption weight wasn't bad because of hook. Front and rear in the like. Boondocking I think where weight matters. Float, ease of mobility for the rider, and power to weight ratio. Those 3 I think is why weight is a big deal in the back country!
Polaris VR1 850 Boost is 12 pounds lighter than the Doo 850 Turbo Comp even though the Polaris has an additional 2 gallons of gas in it, and electric start!
That's huge considering the gas and battery combined is well over 25 pounds.
Did he say it has Estart? My buddy bought one last year, got it home and went to pull it off the trailer only to find out at that time it was manual only. LOL.... Good times.
yup @@sppeders1
We found out why the Turbo skidoo is heavier than the turbo Polaris when the non turbos are the opposite. It’s because the Skidoo is a Competition package which is considerably heavier than a standard XRS due to bigger shocks, 2 ply track, extra bracing and bigger brakes. There is no directly comparable Polaris turbo and unfortunately there is no NON turbo competition package. So we have no way to directly compare a ski-doo turbo and non turbo to find out how much it actually adds to the sled.
Great video...thanks for weighing them all. It seems like the twin weights have pretty much been "the same" for years which is in that 520-580lb range full of fluids ready to ride. With the longer tracks, longer paddles and taller riding positions it seems like this is about as light as they can make them and not have chassis warranty issues. They tried to go super light weight with the 03 F-7 and it ended up being much heavier by its last year of production in 2006 because they had so many chassis cracking issues. I've weighed sleds over the years and when compared with a the 1994 T-cat (620lbs ready to ride), the 2000 121" ZRT 800 (620lbs ready to ride even with an extra heat exchanger in the rear of the tunnel) and a 2001 144" 1000cc mountain cat that weighs 640 lbs with only a little gas in it...the new sleds are lighter, make good hp for twins, have a better riding position (although you can add a bar riser and tall boss seat to an old sled and it improves it greatly), have longer tracks, longer lugs and more track behind the rider so better traction from a dead stop. Mountain sleds tend to be lighter but I believe that they have production sleds about as light as they can make them and still maintain structural integrity at a price point they can sell them. Sure you can go with carbon fiber ect...but that gets very expensive very quickly. Now it'd be interesting to take an older sled like a ZRT and put a 141" procross skid under it, a boss seat ect..and weigh it. :)
I’m happy to see this come back!!!
I like that you did the 2000 ski do in there! Would be cool to have a 10,20,30 year comparison video.
It's certainly interesting, I like to see the actual riding weight of each sled. It's also nice to know, there's really not a big difference between models ! Enjoy the snow all you sledheads !
I think the real surprise here was the two 4 strokes. The Ski Doo 900r turbo is surprising how lite it is and the Polaris is surprising how heavy it is with out a turbo, inter cooler, charge piping... ect
Agreed!
@@ACatKrom About 30 pounds?? I have ridden both the Renegade Xrs 900R turbo and a Sidewinder. The Renny feels like a 2 stroke in comparison
@@ACatKrom Unpredictable and nervous?? I rode a sidewinder and what was unpredictable was if would actually turn a corner, that made me nervous LOL. They are tanks! very good in a straight line, but worst handling trail sled on the market. I have great hopes that the Cat Catalyst is a modern handling machine, light and predictable, like my Ski Doo. Anytime you want to rip through the woods, you let me know
@@ACatKrom You do you. Just curious, how are those sales numbers?? LOL
@@rideswiftthis Krom guy also use to say the old cat 800 made the same horsepower and was faster then Doo and Poo 850. Think was on HCS 😂
I’m just sad there wasn’t a sidewinder in here for comparison. They’re not done quite yet! 😭
Only reason there wasn't is because Yamaha hasn't sent us our sleds yet.
In the first weigh in the sidewinder LTX le with eps weighed in at 667
I really like these weight videos of the true weights, pretty interesting.
Glad you enjoyed!
Every generation it seems skidoo is narrowing the weight gap between their 2 strokes and 4 strokes while at the same time increasing comfort and build quality. Good competition and a wide product range between all manufacturers can only be good for us, the enthusiasts! I would be very interested in weighing more vintage snowmobiles. My 500ss xp is supposed to weight a bit over 500 lbs and I would love to see if that is actually the case!
I hear the 500ss weighed 399 at dry weight!
When I was a teenager I had a 1972 Polaris TX335...40 hp and only 345 lbs...what a blast that sled was! Why don't manufacturers build smaller light sleds is beyond my comprehension. They should listen to what experienced sledders want. No wonder the Dodge Challenger, Camaro and Mustang all went back to their basic retro looks.
Agree 100% - light is right. The manufacturers might be worried that a smaller stripped down sled wouldn’t sell. But I’m with you, get back to snowmobiles roots while still using the latest technology.
Something doesn’t make sense last year you weighed the 2023 skidoo renegade XRS 850 with an ice ripper smart shocks and the 10.5 inch gauge 651lbs
 for 2024 the same sled same specs but in a 900 turbo four stroke with a fan and rad weighs 21 pounds less then last year‘s two stroke? No way something is wrong. 630lbs…
And this year‘s competition turbo with a longer track, bigger gauge, bigger shocks weighs less than last year‘s 129 blizzard 850? No way
Don't know what to tell you except, Doo isn't sitting on its hands. They'll shave weight, change things up a little lighten up an ounce or two here or there each season and it adds up.🤷♂
Thought the same thing there is no way the 900 r is lighter than an 850 with identical specs , if that's true why would you ever buy a 2 stroke if it's heavier
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Very interesting results.
Glad you enjoyed!!
My 96 skidoo F3 weighed in 636 fully filled, ready to ride . 125 hp. Corner to corner it was flat out on rails . Dropped 1 gear , reclutched . It was a trail missle
Should also mention the Nighblade headlight when talking about the Polaris’. That headlight weighs 12lb compared to the 2lb LED in the XC and S4
Should weigh them all when they’re stuck because I’m sure they way twice as much😂
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the big thing missing in this to be a true riding weight comparison is the actual snow buildup. you need to run them through the snow for a half-hour or so and let the snow/ice cake on in the different nooks and crannies, then weigh them. some sleds are really good at not letting snow build up on them, and others will pack in a lot of snow in the track suspensions, heat exchangers and rails. this is where the true riding weight needs to be measured.
Would be interesting to compare the wet weights before and after packing them up with snow.
@@snowtrax day to day in varying conditions will play a part too... might need to do several weight tests and record them over the course of the riding season with differing snow and temps and get the average snow weights. Cold, dry sledding days will be different than melting, warm days.
This isn’t a realistic option at all. EVERY ride will result in different levels of snow build up on every sled. It’s also not valid because people who ride in different places and in different conditions will get different weights. We would literally have to weight every sled after every ride while also noting every aspect of every ride. Even after all that, it STILL wouldn’t represent every rider in every condition. the ONLY fair way to weight sleds is exactly how we did it.
@@pavmentsurfer13 Gotta agree with Luke on this one. Not everyone's gonna like how we do it, but it is the fairest way possible. 🤷♂
Great job… thank you for doing this! This is how all sleds should be weighed… ready to ride.
Appreciate that!!
Agree, dry weight is a useless figure since no one rides their sled with no oil and no gas.
The XCR has beefer components I think. I could be wrong. Maybe you should have weighed a n Indy 650 XC 137. Nice video as always AJ.
Thank you!
Cat is going to be an animal with that 858
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I think this is so funny. I have a 2006 Yamaha attack 136 with mechanical reverse. And I get all the time “ oh Yamaha is so heavy. They are junk” but it is 575 pounds dry. The Polaris Indy xc prostar s4 you weighed is heavier. And I really don’t care that the new ones handle better. I don’t drive 100 mph in the trails anyway. But thanks for your video it was entertaining. I like all your videos (except the sxs ones ) keep up the good work.
guys said the same about the older triples. in reality a 1998 vmax 700 is actually lighter than a 2024 mxz. low center of gravity and poor riding position is what makes them feel so heavy.
Would love to see some older sleds like the Suzuki 1100 turbo or the Yammy 4 stroke, or the M800 older model or even firecat vs Indy wedge... All kinds of options you should weight the new models and throw some older models like you did for kicks...
It WOULD be interesting. But it’s not feasible in terms of finding sleds, getting them here and getting them returned to their owners. It would take a whole winter.
@@pavmentsurfer13 and then some multiple winters 🥶
The polaris Wedge Is still by far the lightest sled with power and easier on fuel then techy new sleds. We seen this recently with Todd cycle weighting his triple triple 680 at 588lbs full tank of gas and 144 inch track. with studs. Plus they where the warmest sleds to drive hands down. No manufacture seems to do wind tunnel test anymore only computer simulations which do nothing for real world testing at minus 20. Doing 80mph creating your own Windchill's.
I will say my 03 edge was warm, but I sweat a lot with my 09 assault. I even have to stand up to cool off. The new ones are colder.
I find it interesting the levelling strap on the Cat and Polaris was to the front and hooked to that back of the Ski-doo’s. Riding both Doo and Polaris the Doo feels heavy on the front. Interesting, great video.
When will you be releasing Mark's walk around video of the Touring E 380 Fan? And why didn't we hear it run?... Cool video! Thank you for the effort!
Most anticipated ST video of the year!
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Very interesting, A few surprises too! Great work gentlemen! Love it
Thank you!!
Thanks for doing this
Good info and love the commentary! Some surprising weights in there!
Appreciate that!
The real SHOCKER is Skidoo 850 turbo R is only 16 pounds less than the 900R 4 stroke… and the 4 stroke has smart shocks and a ice ripper. WOW sounds like I’m sticking with the 4strokes.
And the 850 turbo is lighter than the XRS 850 that weighed in at 651 at the first weigh they did last spring
Skidoo should option shot starting on all 2 stroke models.. Then I would add a small battery to power accessories when the engine is shut off.
Turbos are not a direct comparison, doo is a 137 but polaris makes a 129 which will drop many lbs more, idk why doo wouldn't have offered both lenghts for trail racing u just can't beat a 129 in the tight cornors and switchbacks
They’re also not a direct comparison because the skidoo is a Competition package… it’s a heavy package.
Great job, it’s great to know the weights in real world use, because it makes a guy who is purchasing a sled for his size and riding style, much easier to throw around on the trails. Nobody likes a tank of a sled when running with the boys in the trails. LoL 😅
I would like to see a sidewinder/thundercat if your taking requests!
mid to high 600's...
As soon as we get our Yamaha sleds we will put em on the scale. Hoping we get a Lynx at some point too.
In the spring weigh a sidewinder Ltx le with eps weighed in at 667
Lol, cat 600 is the lightest, AJ says, Ski Doo is doing some good stuff. Lol.
Take a deep breath, dude. I don't think he was discrediting Cat.
He was talking about the SkiDoo four stroke package when he said that.
im hoping for an MXZ 600r Comp with shot start... add a Ti Quiet muffler and it'll be lightest race replica ish sled on the market in 25... then the Lynx will be heavest mtn sled but most stout.
also how could you not know what to compare the titan too?? only the leader in WT selds... the Expedition.. get the SE 900ace to compare. Skidoo sells more of the Expedition than polaris sells in al 4 strokes combined.
So glad to see this. Any idea what the smart shocks weigh? I have the 24 renegade ace turbo r. Just like the one you weighed but in black and no smart shocks. Thanks for the weigh in!!
Not sure what they weigh. Would love to throw a full set on the scale though.
One gallon of Liquid is around 7 pounds plus a plastic tank lines and a very small electric pump
The Backcountry was light for a 146 and 850. Pretty impressive by Doo.
Would have been lighter with Shot Start.
Polaris has the pull start option along with larger fuel tank
The 900 expedition turbo or the turbo r will kick the ass of any utility sled
I would like to see you weigh a 1976 Yamaha Exciter and an Apex and an Attack .. Also maybe an RX-1 Ton
We will very likely weigh anything that rolls onto our lot moving forward.
Spare belts, tool bags, tow straps? That’s why I ride with the friends that I do, they bring all that extra stuff that weighs.
Did you notice the weight difference with the skidoo's from this weight video and the last one you put out 7 months ago? Quite the difference. The polaris weight was the same but skidoo is around 60lbs difference.
Should weigh them after a day of riding immediately when you return back to give an idea with some snowpack and ice built up. Give slight details of type of snow that was riding in, temps, etc.
Those massive shocks on the Doo is a good chunk of the increase in weight.
And the 2 ply track and the big brakes.
Any one guessing on what a 129 600r Xpackage weighs in at without the XRS pkg
Polaris has a long way to go on their four strokes. Gotta keep in mind that S4 is naturally aspirated. Ski-Doo is turbo and 35 lbs lighter
100 cc's more on the Polaris, makes for a lot of weight.
@@sb4360 1 more cylinder on the ski-doo adds a lot of weight too.
We were ALL shocked at the weight of the S4. Obviously, that power package is HEAVY. On the trail, it doesn’t FEEL heavy, but that extra weight is definitely robbing horsepower. We d really like to see Polaris do what skidoo is doing and design a purpose built 4 stroke just for the Matrix platform that’s light and has more horsepower.
Great vid thanks. I was surprised by a few. I wonder how the size of the fuel tank makes a difference in the wet weight. I have a new Comp and a 23 Boost. Doo is really making great numbers on their 4strokes. Not a big penalty for 4stroke longevity and performance!
I don’t know… 60 pounds more than their 600 XRS is pretty substantial
Longer track. Full jam smart shocks and guage. 4 stroke longevity. 180hp. Not a bad trade off in my book.
I'm surprised the assault boost is only 2lbs heavier than the Vr1 boost.
The Catalyst 858 will weigh the same as the Catalyst 600...... now we are going to make everyone else look Heavy!!! Cat is I mean. Cat is an Animal!!
Funny, still no turbo
@@johnc6256won’t need a turbo if the power to weight ratio is low enough
And still be stuck in the Litter
@@Eighty8Fitter it doesn’t matter when you throw in 8000 feet of elevation, the turbo always wins!!! There is no way cat is going to hang with an N/A motor.
These are trail sleds .mountain sleds will be completely different polaris uses a different bulk head for mountain sleds
When you compare weight with full gas my experience ce Polaris has up to 10 more liters which is extra 16 lbs ,Christopher ottawa
What about mountain sleds?
We are in flatland Ontario and just never get mountain sleds in our fleet because there's really nowhere to ride them to their fullest potential. Usually we do all our mountain testing in Montana or BC and don't have the scale with us.
What are the size of the gas tanks ,any difference in capacities.
Polaris holds 2 more gallons than Ski Doo does.
We didn't have these specs on-hand. Something we can include in the future for more comprehensive weigh-ins.
PLEASE PLEASE weigh my Yamaha RSVenture GT. Its gotta be 6 or 7 tons I'm sure.
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I think the 129 vr1 boost is gunna eat up the 850 doo turbo on the trails
The Renegade XRS 900 Ace Turbo R weighed 630 lbs? Last year you weighed the Renegade XRS 850 137 and it weighed 651 lbs. The 4-Stroke is more than 20 lighter than the 2-Stroke?
Not a single Yamaha, even though they are stopping production. I always hear how heavy 4 stroke yamahas are from every 2 stroke owner like their 600etec is the lightest sled known to man.
They didn't have a big enough gantry and chain fall to lift a Yamaha.🤣
We haven't received our Yamaha sleds yet or we would've included them. Once they arrive I am positive AJ will do another weigh-in SPECIFICALLY for them.
In the spring weigh the 2023 XRS 850 with 10 inch display , smart shocks and ice ripper track weighed in at 651 the 2023 sidewinder LTX LE EPS weighed in at 667 that's only a 16 pond difference between the sidewinder and XRS 850
The only other sled I would like to see would be the Arctic Cat(Yamaha) 400 single.
Weigh a sidewinder again. I bet it’s about same as the turbo doo. Wasn’t it 17 pounds more than the 850xrs?
You weighed the Titan S4, now weigh the Skidoo Expedition SE 900 or the 850. Curious am I!
Don't have one but that would be a good comparo!
Like to see the weight of a 2024 Ski-Doo Expedition SE 900 Ace turbo R 20 inch wide 1.8 ice ripper 154 with included from factory cargo box.
Skidoo 850 turbo trail sled also may be heavier due to the 2 ply track
The competition package also has heavier shocks, extra bracing and a bigger brake. That all contributes to it weighing more than the Polaris.
assuming this is the fleet for this coming winter... hope you'll be doing a 600 short track comparison (if it ever snows)?
also, please start shaming manufacturers for not making an actual WINDSHIELD 'as std equipment' on trail sleds. enough with the factory speedometer/gauge covers already...
Are we ever gonna see the 850 patriot in the titan?
I am so shocked that the gen 5 850 XRS with 10 inch display , ice ripper track and smart shocks weighed in at 651 this spring when you weighed them and now the XRS 900 r with 10 inch display , ice ripper track and smart shocks and both 137 and both gen 5 chasis and the 900 r weighed in at 630 , so the 4 stroke turbo equipped thee same is 21 pounds lighter than the same sled with an 850 , I always thought 4 strokes are heavier , I guess I was wrong
835 Pounds you are getting up there in Harley Davidson weights .
The Polaris holds 10L more fuel than the Skidoo so there is 8lbs for sure. I would have preferred it if you weighed them all with the same amount of fuel in them.
A wet weights a wet weight. They can’t do everything. Customers have to use their brains a bit and compare capacities if it comes down to that little of a difference…. You don’t see manufacturers saying “wet weight but we hold 10 liters more fuel than the competition”.
You’re not gonna leave fuel out when you go for a ride. This is a real world real use weight
All you have to do is a dry weight then multiple the fuel tank capacity by the density per liter weight of fuel.
The ski doos should be weighed with a full gas caddy on the back. I'm a doo guy true and true, but one thing i always disagreed with is them cutting the tank size back to 35 liters from 40.
It's pointless to weigh the sleds with the same amount of fuel... 5 gallon of fuel in a poo will weigh exactly the same as 5 gallon of fuel in a doo. (31 lb) You can just as well weigh them with an empty tank, and calculate from that and the actual tank volume, not just what the specs says.
No weight on a Yamaha transporter lite or Arctic Cat blast 4000 lt? Wtf
Very specific sleds to be angry about leaving out. For the record we do not have either of these sleds on hand.
Sidewinder? Lbs 😮
I guess Poo FINALLY decided quality means more than weight😮
I thought the same thing…and am ok with it!
Wish you would have put that Enduro on scales. I have always wanted to know what the difference between a Lynx and Ski-Doo of similar spec is.
That was everything we currently have.
@@snowtrax Didn't ypu post on social media about month ago that you had an Enduro? Or have you already made the content for that and have given it back?
@@revrdr600ho We got to ride the Rave Enduro in Montana this past March, but it isn't available in NA yet. We think it might be the next sled Lynx brings over here.
@@snowtrax Understood, thanks for the explanation. I know it's not available, otherwise I would have one! I hope they bring that sled over, or else I might have see what Cat has going on with the new platform.
Very nice ! Great job !
Polaris VR1 turbo weighs the same as last year but the Skidoo 900r four stroke turbo is 17 lbs lighter than 850 xrs was last year? Your scales are screwy or you didn’t fill the gas tank on 900r
Actually I stand corrected, 900r is 21 lbs lighter than last years 850 xrs. Catalyst is lightest 600 so he says. Skidootrax is back
Ski Doo much lighter then most thought. Cat Fan Boys are disappointed in the comments all ready saying wait till next year lol 😆
matters where the weight is at. sled only gets so light, but when your CG is THAT much better, no one is disappointed.
I can't believe the XRS 900 R is lighter than a XRS 850 theigh weighed the first show last spring it weighed 651 so that means the 4 stroke 900 r is 21 pounds lighter than the 850
Just include the mountain class, where the weight really matters!
We don't have any mountain sleds. We're in flatland country here in Ontario.
Weigh some classic stuff , like an enticer 340
the difference on the turbos is in the shocks probably. Those kyb hlcr's are heavy. On my lynx shredder a set of fox floats drop 20lbs
Except the Polaris also has 20lbs of electric start that Doo doesn't
Killer keep it up
I'm surprised the Assault was lighter than the VR1
I would zero the scale prior to weighing the sleds with no strap tension. Then weigh all them and not zero every sled. Slight tension on scale can skew measurements 10-20 lbs easy.
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You guys should weigh a 2004 ski doo elite just for fun
If we had an Elite, someone would always be riding it and we'd never be able to get it on the scale! 😆
We’d have to get a new scale. I don’t think the one we have is rated for that kind of beef.
Yes it says in your fleet but if you title this video 2024 weigh in then you should find a way to weigh all manufacturers even if one will unfortunately be leaving the market. Probably would surprise people to see actually the weight of the Yamaha and Yamaha/artic cat joint sleds be fair to all not exclude. Let it snow let it snow!!!!
Now do mountain sleds!
I'm lost with your weights. On your last weigh-in, you had a skidoo renegade 850 xrs 137 weigh 651 lbs. Now your showing me a renegade xrs 900 ace turbo R , loaded at 630 lbs. The 4 stroke motor weighs 30 lbs more than the 850. Total confusing.
AJ??
Weigh one of those Electric Sled's please!
If we get a Taiga, we will do this immediately. Will have to fill it up with electricity first though 😆
Am i the only one to hate that they went to basically trail only sleds? They used to cover mountain too...
Love the video, but if this was real WORLD weight, you would present them in metric (kg) as well as imperial (lbs). Keep up the good work!
prepare for the butthurt
I also commend you for doing this. I always enjoyed the weights done in the 90's snow rags.
Appreciate that!
@@snowtraxdo you guys have any left over procross 2 smokes? They were conspicuously absent last time and it would be nice to get a weight comparison with the catalyst and winder.
That S4 could stand to lose a couple pounds. Shocked how much heavier it is than a 900 Turbo R with all the extra plumbing.
That S4 is not light.
WHERE IS THE SIDEWINDER
Electric start on the Polaris at the end???🤔🤔
Seems some Skidoos have 10 gallon gas tanks and can go father on 10 gallons than other brands go on 12 gallons of gas.
Any chance of doing the mountain sleds?
We just don't get mtn sleds on our home turf because we are in flatland Ontario.