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I love to see David's messages and story being uplifted. He has been one of the most influential people in my life, and I've only known him for a little over a year. Such an amazing coach & human!
I thought he seemed familiar when I started in on this podcast! He seems like a great match for you, Allie! So proud of you, your humility and resilience. Get it, girl!!
Had no idea who David was, then at mile 19 of the Leadville 50, he passed me and said great job. It’s an out and back, meaning he was 12 miles ahead of me! I was so confused. Dude is great vibes. Keep being yourself David!
Perfect timing as always Rich 🤙🏼 Had the pleasure of David patting me on the back last month at Javelina on his last lap en route to his win! I was finishing my 3rd lap as I heard him and his pacer coming up behind me. Here he is running 8min/mile 97 miles in and telling me how strong I AM. Not only is an incredible athlete, he’s obviously a wonderful, gracious champion and human 🫶🏼
Speaks volumes in character. This conversation inspired me to train for my first marathon. Purely to push myself and to be part of what seems to be an amazing community.
I had the opportunity to race the Leadville 50 and 100 this year and have him fly by me on the way back on both courses and witness this huge accomplishment. He is no doubt humble and at the same time fearless. Incredible athlete and lucky enough to see him at Leadville.
Beautiful approach to a sport. Zero ego, 100% curiosity. I love how he analyses the contributing elements to success and how he can stretch each of those limiters. I can relate to a lot of this and I just find his self deprecation so refreshing. It’s not false modesty. It’s just a guy who has had a crack and who’s body has done amazing things.
Been waiting for this one! My first Leadville was in 2006 and finished 16th place, in a time that was 7 hours slower than the new record. Recently discovered SWAP podcast (much love and gratitude for David and Megan), and am so inspired by how far the sport has come...very excited to see where it continues to evolve! My body is older now, (and was in survival mode for almost a decade battling/beating chronic Lyme disease), but I have been starting to experiment with some of the new methods and am excited to see where it goes. Thank you both!
I have SO many comments on this that confirm what he's saying. I was the only swimmer in my high school that was also majorly into weightlifting and was the fastest with swimming only half the volume of my competition. I think my speed/endurance today (30 years later) over long distance is just learning to slow the power down - I barely get tired because of all the muscle I built up. On the carbs and brain - One way I can tell that I'm starting to get underfueled is aches and pains pop up. I up my carbs and they go away. I'm very fat adapted, so I think the extra carbs are going straight to mood boosting. If I want to up my Zone 2 "cruising speed", I can do hill intervals on a treadmill and have a big jump in my easy pace within a week. As I'm getting ready for a bike race, I'll do hill repeats like I'm weight lifting and those will directly correlate to faster finishing times. BUT, all this is on top of a base of years and years of volume. I don't need the volume to increase to improve. I only need to mix in more interval work to get stronger and that does the trick.
David seems like the kindest man in the world. An incredible feat. Another incredible record was broken this summer Tara Dower broke the FKT of the Appalachian Trail. Running the 2100 mile trail in 40 days which averaged running an ultra marathon everyday. I would like to see Tara as a guest on this great channel.
When I finished my first hundred miler, David and Megan were cheering at every aid station for literally every runner they saw. I saw them at the start line cheering everyone, at multiple aid stations and at the finish line a day later. It was the purest reflection of the ultra community. Congrats on the record David.
Sensitive boi here. When David said “carrying a baby up the stairs counts for something.” I lost it. The biggest thing I’ve struggled with having gone from a very serious amateur to a full time stay at home dad has been the fear and loathing that i am becoming weaker, slower and with each point off my ftp or vo2 max I lose, im losing more of myself. The identity I’ve clung to for so long. It’s taken me two years to start to realize that I am not getting weaker and in fact am getting stronger, on much less training now that I’m starting to figure out how. I’m just different now. Life is different now. But still anything is possible. Great episode. So much inspiration AND actionable advice. David is a hero.
The best health coach I've worked with helped me reframe my movement in a similar way. She helped me count everything I do instead of just the dedicated time I take to do a movement "practice". A 2-3 hour meal prep sprint totally counts as movement and accepting that helped everything click!
Wow! One of your best interviews, Rich, thanks! David Roche, what a lovely guy! I'm sure he will still be doing ultras at age 86 - which was how old I was when I did my last ultra last September.I've got no intention of finishing, myself - I intend to keep going until I'm 100, when my goal is to have done 100 ultras (actual and virtual). Hope you don't mind me mentioning a film I'm in, Rich - 'I could Never Go Vegan', where I was filmed going round a 50k ultra on Exmoor. It can be found on Prime Video and Apple TV. Thanks.
I am absolutely not your target demographic but I am learning so much from your show Rich. I've spent most of my time in bed for the past 10 years and am slowly recovering from extreme burnout and limbic system impairment. I've learned everything I can learn about chronic illness recovery but it's learning about endurance athletics that's actually making some things click. I basically have the nutrition/hydration routine of an athlete but just to have what some people would consider a pretty easy day.
Perfect timing! Yesterday was the first time I've ran in over 14 years due to an injury. The doc gave me the thumbs up to run and I'm excited to get back into running and am looking to complete a 100 mile run (eventually).
I love his mindset on an elite athlete! I listen to all if the inspiring people on Rich Roll podcasts and joke that I train like an elite athlete even though I'm pretty slow compared to everyone around me. I love the training, nutrition, recovery process though! Great podcast, thank you!!
Extremely interesting conversation! Couldn’t put it down! I have loved following David’s journey and love watching him coach Allie Ostrander!! He so positive!
I really loved listening to this journey. I dream of running a 100 miler someday, just once in my lifetime. I have been running for 26 years, since junior high school. I've only been keeping dedicated track of my exact mileage for the last ten (almost eleven) years, but I'm proud to have a total over 16,000 miles in the last decade. I'm taking base building seriously. My furthest distance has been 55 miles, and I may still be years out from being able to hit the 100 mile mark. But I have faith (and dedication) that I'll get there someday. Each time I do a long run, it gets a little bit shorter. Each 20 miler is a bit easier. 20 miles is a casual distance now for me, which doesn't intimidate me. I hope that in a few years I'll be able to step into the arena at a 100, and make the cutoffs. As a slow runner, it may take twice as long as the first finishers. But I think I can get there.
100% agree. Its also rare that the top 1% of the top 1% can communicate the way the guys does. Trained and fueled properly a lot of people would be able to tap along at 38-40kph (flats) with HR in the 130's and averaging around 280-300 watts. Nothing like pro level if you factor in power to weight, but a great tool to have and always trumps people who think starving themselves or being fasted or avoiding carbs is the go. I'm still dumb founded by the amount of people I see who haven't eaten anything 3 hours into a bunch ride, and maybe had half a biddon. They wonder why they're cooked and others haven't touched the pedals. Mostly old school thinkers clinging on to myths from years ago.
what a interview, initially I didn't like the guy over putting himself down, but them, what a beautiful, fully credible, intense his experience is!!! Congratulations... I will just say enjoy... slow down and enjoy!!!
The ironic thing is that Matt Carpenter was a mad scientist himself who experimented with all kinds of things at his disposal and his record was beaten by another mad scientist who tried all kinds of things outside the box
I remember years ago Galen Rupp wearing an ice vest prior to the marathon he ran to qualify for the Olympics, and the announcers discussed the strategy of pre-cooling core temp since it’s the limiting factor. They’ve been testing that for years and years already
Seems a similar approach to Killian. Guys with a huge aerobic base for years, that then train with the right dose and timing of intensity training. It also helps that they are very lightweight but strong (without hypertrophy).
50:49 Talking about characters and becoming a character. I like using the word person, persona when talking about this because the greek and latin root for it is "actor's mask". We're all acting even if we think we're "real" people. We shouldn't be afraid or think it's weird to become different actors in different situations, like talked about here. And putting a name to it is absolutely what we should do. Jimi Hendrix and the Wild Blue Angle. Rob Burbea talks about this in some of his buddhist imagination talks. We can become the role we should be when performing in a race or competition that we define as what we think would be the best, and then can come back to the character we play in day to day, and want to name them, want to become them. Great to hear this being mentioned.
Could someone smarter than me write up key takeaways from Coach Roche? I feel like I'm gonna have to rewatch this 2 or 3 times to glean the insights he is delivering here.
I was really moved by him wanting to experience the pain cave under his own power but because of an accident. I'm motivated by something similar. I want to know what I can handle in the world not because of external forces and illness but what I choose to put my energy into.
David yelled at me “you’re awesome!” As I ran by him. He was there supporting his athletes but had the kindness and goodwill to cheer on all the other athletes.
I bet Zach Bitter and Jeff Browning were laughing their heads off when you were talking about how many carbs you eat during the ultra. You should try fat oxidation. I love it and use about 90% less food now in 100 mile race.
Such an awesome video!!! Thankyou both So, SO much! Heard a verse in a song recently “if your dreams don’t scare you they ain’t big enough”…suppose I gotta shoot my shot & step up the race distance in 2025😂
Interesting that bringing down your core temperature like putting your hands under cold water is used to ease panic attacks. I'm curious about the connections between elite performance and mental health management.
I also used Ketone IQ for my last marathon and Ultra training. During the run the benefit I feel is simply feeling happier. But I I swear my recovery after hard sessions is way better, like stated in this conversation. Not to mention recovery after the marathon and ultra, I felt really fit the next day If it wasn't so expensive I would use it more often. For now I only use it around key sessions, and before and after the event.
1:36:56 Rich, you say “ultras and the trail” as if they are the same thing. First, Leadville is a very runnable course. Second, what might work for 100miles wouldn’t for something like Dipsea.
Does this approach to fueling apply to someone NOT running a 6min pace for 100 miles? For a 2 hour run should you still be consuming 120g of carbs per hour?
Love this guy, he is the male version of Courtney Dauwalter…. Maybe nicer. Hope this dude keeps winning and talking and joking. I’m all in on this dude ✊✊✊
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I love to see David's messages and story being uplifted. He has been one of the most influential people in my life, and I've only known him for a little over a year. Such an amazing coach & human!
I thought he seemed familiar when I started in on this podcast! He seems like a great match for you, Allie! So proud of you, your humility and resilience. Get it, girl!!
Had no idea who David was, then at mile 19 of the Leadville 50, he passed me and said great job. It’s an out and back, meaning he was 12 miles ahead of me! I was so confused. Dude is great vibes. Keep being yourself David!
Perfect timing as always Rich 🤙🏼
Had the pleasure of David patting me on the back last month at Javelina on his last lap en route to his win! I was finishing my 3rd lap as I heard him and his pacer coming up behind me. Here he is running 8min/mile 97 miles in and telling me how strong I AM. Not only is an incredible athlete, he’s obviously a wonderful, gracious champion and human 🫶🏼
Speaks volumes in character. This conversation inspired me to train for my first marathon. Purely to push myself and to be part of what seems to be an amazing community.
Crazy that he broke his collarbone just a few months before breaking the record.
"A spiritual odyssey draped in an athletic adventure" (Rich Roll) what a quote!!
I've watched a lot of Rich Roll podcasts. This is my favorite one.
I had the opportunity to race the Leadville 50 and 100 this year and have him fly by me on the way back on both courses and witness this huge accomplishment. He is no doubt humble and at the same time fearless. Incredible athlete and lucky enough to see him at Leadville.
Beautiful approach to a sport. Zero ego, 100% curiosity. I love how he analyses the contributing elements to success and how he can stretch each of those limiters. I can relate to a lot of this and I just find his self deprecation so refreshing. It’s not false modesty. It’s just a guy who has had a crack and who’s body has done amazing things.
met david at Javalina and i can confirm he is one of the nicest kindest guys in the world
Been waiting for this one! My first Leadville was in 2006 and finished 16th place, in a time that was 7 hours slower than the new record. Recently discovered SWAP podcast (much love and gratitude for David and Megan), and am so inspired by how far the sport has come...very excited to see where it continues to evolve! My body is older now, (and was in survival mode for almost a decade battling/beating chronic Lyme disease), but I have been starting to experiment with some of the new methods and am excited to see where it goes. Thank you both!
I have SO many comments on this that confirm what he's saying. I was the only swimmer in my high school that was also majorly into weightlifting and was the fastest with swimming only half the volume of my competition. I think my speed/endurance today (30 years later) over long distance is just learning to slow the power down - I barely get tired because of all the muscle I built up. On the carbs and brain - One way I can tell that I'm starting to get underfueled is aches and pains pop up. I up my carbs and they go away. I'm very fat adapted, so I think the extra carbs are going straight to mood boosting. If I want to up my Zone 2 "cruising speed", I can do hill intervals on a treadmill and have a big jump in my easy pace within a week. As I'm getting ready for a bike race, I'll do hill repeats like I'm weight lifting and those will directly correlate to faster finishing times. BUT, all this is on top of a base of years and years of volume. I don't need the volume to increase to improve. I only need to mix in more interval work to get stronger and that does the trick.
Wow, this was one of the best and most interesting interviews ever made. So much to learn here.
Thank you Rich! This is a conversation the world is better for having in it 🤗
A BJ Surhoff reference! Big sports guy. Respect level increased tenfold
I thought he was gonna say Andy Van Slyke, or Kent Hrbeck. Totally agree!! Love the baseball reference.
Been waiting on this one, David had mentioned weeks ago it was coming!! He (and Megan) are tremendous
David seems like the kindest man in the world.
An incredible feat.
Another incredible record was broken this summer Tara Dower broke the FKT of the Appalachian Trail. Running the 2100 mile trail in 40 days which averaged running an ultra marathon everyday.
I would like to see Tara as a guest on this great channel.
David’s wife Megan coaches Tara!
@MrSandyPants128 no way. The ultra running community is clearly small!
“ All set for this Madness “ thank you RICH for this conversation with DAVID ROCHE 👍❤️
We've been waiting for this one!
When I finished my first hundred miler, David and Megan were cheering at every aid station for literally every runner they saw. I saw them at the start line cheering everyone, at multiple aid stations and at the finish line a day later. It was the purest reflection of the ultra community. Congrats on the record David.
That’s awesome.
Thanks for this one, Rich. Love David and Megan. It's awesome that David is now the (humblest) GOAT!
Sensitive boi here. When David said “carrying a baby up the stairs counts for something.” I lost it. The biggest thing I’ve struggled with having gone from a very serious amateur to a full time stay at home dad has been the fear and loathing that i am becoming weaker, slower and with each point off my ftp or vo2 max I lose, im losing more of myself. The identity I’ve clung to for so long.
It’s taken me two years to start to realize that I am not getting weaker and in fact am getting stronger, on much less training now that I’m starting to figure out how. I’m just different now. Life is different now. But still anything is possible.
Great episode. So much inspiration AND actionable advice. David is a hero.
The best health coach I've worked with helped me reframe my movement in a similar way. She helped me count everything I do instead of just the dedicated time I take to do a movement "practice". A 2-3 hour meal prep sprint totally counts as movement and accepting that helped everything click!
Very stoked for this convo!! Thanks David and Rich!
Big dump truck energy baby!
😂😂 “Suck-it Peter Attia” @1:20:57 😂😂
David Roche is an amazing person - who happens to also be fast
yess been waiting for this episode for a while ! David is the man
I’ll be listening on either my long trail run or my long bike ride this weekend. Can’t wait!!
Wow! One of your best interviews, Rich, thanks! David Roche, what a lovely guy! I'm sure he will still be doing ultras at age 86 - which was how old I was when I did my last ultra last September.I've got no intention of finishing, myself - I intend to keep going until I'm 100, when my goal is to have done 100 ultras (actual and virtual). Hope you don't mind me mentioning a film I'm in, Rich - 'I could Never Go Vegan', where I was filmed going round a 50k ultra on Exmoor. It can be found on Prime Video and Apple TV. Thanks.
I am absolutely not your target demographic but I am learning so much from your show Rich. I've spent most of my time in bed for the past 10 years and am slowly recovering from extreme burnout and limbic system impairment. I've learned everything I can learn about chronic illness recovery but it's learning about endurance athletics that's actually making some things click. I basically have the nutrition/hydration routine of an athlete but just to have what some people would consider a pretty easy day.
So excited to listen to this interview!
Was so hyped for this one 🤩
YOOO YOOO YOOO ITS FINALLY HERE!!!
Been waiting for this! Huzzah!
Perfect timing! Yesterday was the first time I've ran in over 14 years due to an injury. The doc gave me the thumbs up to run and I'm excited to get back into running and am looking to complete a 100 mile run (eventually).
I love his mindset on an elite athlete! I listen to all if the inspiring people on Rich Roll podcasts and joke that I train like an elite athlete even though I'm pretty slow compared to everyone around me. I love the training, nutrition, recovery process though! Great podcast, thank you!!
Great podcast. You really show the human side of him better than others I have seen.
Choosing an avatar and committing to it. This stuck with me. I'm choosing mine right now. LFG.
Great conversation. Thanks for sharing
Extremely interesting conversation! Couldn’t put it down! I have loved following David’s journey and love watching him coach Allie Ostrander!! He so positive!
Amazing.. absolutely a joy to watch! Thank you and love from Cyprus!
I really loved listening to this journey. I dream of running a 100 miler someday, just once in my lifetime. I have been running for 26 years, since junior high school. I've only been keeping dedicated track of my exact mileage for the last ten (almost eleven) years, but I'm proud to have a total over 16,000 miles in the last decade.
I'm taking base building seriously. My furthest distance has been 55 miles, and I may still be years out from being able to hit the 100 mile mark. But I have faith (and dedication) that I'll get there someday.
Each time I do a long run, it gets a little bit shorter. Each 20 miler is a bit easier. 20 miles is a casual distance now for me, which doesn't intimidate me. I hope that in a few years I'll be able to step into the arena at a 100, and make the cutoffs. As a slow runner, it may take twice as long as the first finishers. But I think I can get there.
My favorite episode, what an awesome dude!
His Zone 2 reminds me of listening to Tadej Pogacar talk about his watts at Zone 2, just insane engines on these guys.
100% agree. Its also rare that the top 1% of the top 1% can communicate the way the guys does.
Trained and fueled properly a lot of people would be able to tap along at 38-40kph (flats) with HR in the 130's and averaging around 280-300 watts. Nothing like pro level if you factor in power to weight, but a great tool to have and always trumps people who think starving themselves or being fasted or avoiding carbs is the go. I'm still dumb founded by the amount of people I see who haven't eaten anything 3 hours into a bunch ride, and maybe had half a biddon. They wonder why they're cooked and others haven't touched the pedals. Mostly old school thinkers clinging on to myths from years ago.
Yay! Been looking forward to this one! Huzzah!
One of the very best podcasts I listened to!!
what a brilliant, authentic discussion. thank you
First one to make me cry. Nice work, Rich.
Been excited for this one!! Go DR!
David is such a great role model.
what a interview, initially I didn't like the guy over putting himself down, but them, what a beautiful, fully credible, intense his experience is!!! Congratulations... I will just say enjoy... slow down and enjoy!!!
So proud of you, David! So great to hear your voice on a new platform.
Really looking forward to this one.
Been waiting for this!!!
He's come a long way since the mountain leg videos! Been following him ever since!
fascinating.. what a first try!
The ironic thing is that Matt Carpenter was a mad scientist himself who experimented with all kinds of things at his disposal and his record was beaten by another mad scientist who tried all kinds of things outside the box
Ironic or sensible because those are the people who make breakthroughs?
@@BrendanEvan Both
This was an amazing conversation. I need to listen to it again!
His voice is even faster than Rich's. He sounds sped up but Rich sounds normal.
Yep! I listen to most podcasts at 1.5X, but listen to SWAP at 1.2x. David and Megan both speak pretty fast.
Lol! SWAP is the only podcast I don’t speed up 😂
I listen to David's podcasts on 0.75 speed 🫠🫠🫠 How on earth does he talk so fast!?!?
Fuck,I thought I was the only one 😅😅😅
Get out of my head
Amazing. Thank you both for the amazing podcast.
Palm cooling works. Don’t use ice, though, cool water or a cool water bottle held in hand. Try it.
Absolutely phenomenal listening to the two of you! I learned so much and was inspired so much from this interview !!!
Legendary episode, the double belt setup 💪
Such an inspiring interview.
I remember years ago Galen Rupp wearing an ice vest prior to the marathon he ran to qualify for the Olympics, and the announcers discussed the strategy of pre-cooling core temp since it’s the limiting factor. They’ve been testing that for years and years already
Seems a similar approach to Killian. Guys with a huge aerobic base for years, that then train with the right dose and timing of intensity training. It also helps that they are very lightweight but strong (without hypertrophy).
EXCELLENT episode!
50:49 Talking about characters and becoming a character. I like using the word person, persona when talking about this because the greek and latin root for it is "actor's mask". We're all acting even if we think we're "real" people. We shouldn't be afraid or think it's weird to become different actors in different situations, like talked about here. And putting a name to it is absolutely what we should do. Jimi Hendrix and the Wild Blue Angle. Rob Burbea talks about this in some of his buddhist imagination talks. We can become the role we should be when performing in a race or competition that we define as what we think would be the best, and then can come back to the character we play in day to day, and want to name them, want to become them. Great to hear this being mentioned.
Fantastic interview and people!
Could someone smarter than me write up key takeaways from Coach Roche? I feel like I'm gonna have to rewatch this 2 or 3 times to glean the insights he is delivering here.
I downloaded transcript and uploaded it to ChatGPT to summarize it for me :)
I was really moved by him wanting to experience the pain cave under his own power but because of an accident. I'm motivated by something similar. I want to know what I can handle in the world not because of external forces and illness but what I choose to put my energy into.
Its amazing when you learn to take in carbohydrates how much longer you can keep going.
Huzzah!🎉
Love the love of spreadsheets!
loved this one. congrats david and thanks for talking
2:11:50 that spiritual journey of an ultra is what is bringing me back for more
one of the best interviews
David yelled at me “you’re awesome!” As I ran by him. He was there supporting his athletes but had the kindness and goodwill to cheer on all the other athletes.
Best guest ever…
I bet Zach Bitter and Jeff Browning were laughing their heads off when you were talking about how many carbs you eat during the ultra. You should try fat oxidation. I love it and use about 90% less food now in 100 mile race.
How fast can you run a mile? How fast do you run 100s?
Such an awesome video!!! Thankyou both So, SO much! Heard a verse in a song recently “if your dreams don’t scare you they ain’t big enough”…suppose I gotta shoot my shot & step up the race distance in 2025😂
Alex Pereira went from kickboxing to the UFC… the world is certainly changing likely someday ultra competitors will get their own organization🙏
Amazing interview! Amazing person!
What is the safe amount of baking soda to consume before a race and how much water should you mix with it? Ty!
Coach Roche!!! 👏 🎉
Hit the fricken cymbal!
Baru x ini liat podcast durasinya Berjam jam, but not problem bgus untuk bljr Bhsa inggris
My favorite part was at 1:20:55 when he said “Suck it, Peter” (to Peter Attia, in good jest of course) 😂😂
Hhhahaha
Your comment posted a just before I heard that part 😂😮
Interesting that bringing down your core temperature like putting your hands under cold water is used to ease panic attacks. I'm curious about the connections between elite performance and mental health management.
Really good one.
Where can I find the study David was referring to about taking ketones after exercise to increase recovery?
Absolute champ!
He is him
Wow. Seriously so good.
yay its released finalllyyyyy🎉
Huzzahhhh!!
Awesome conversation rich !!
I also used Ketone IQ for my last marathon and Ultra training. During the run the benefit I feel is simply feeling happier. But I I swear my recovery after hard sessions is way better, like stated in this conversation. Not to mention recovery after the marathon and ultra, I felt really fit the next day
If it wasn't so expensive I would use it more often. For now I only use it around key sessions, and before and after the event.
Check out KetoneAid or DeltaG. Those are true exogenous ketones. Ketone IQ is not.
1:36:56 Rich, you say “ultras and the trail” as if they are the same thing. First, Leadville is a very runnable course. Second, what might work for 100miles wouldn’t for something like Dipsea.
Does this approach to fueling apply to someone NOT running a 6min pace for 100 miles? For a 2 hour run should you still be consuming 120g of carbs per hour?
Love this guy, he is the male version of Courtney Dauwalter…. Maybe nicer. Hope this dude keeps winning and talking and joking. I’m all in on this dude ✊✊✊