BANGCHAN MOCKS JIM CROW AND “This Is America” MUSIC VIDEO?!
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As a black person at first I was a little iffy,I genuinely believe there was no racist/negative intention. I think it was all fun and games but I understand how it can be seen as distasteful .
What if hes supporting the message
@@RaheelPervaiz123 what message is he supporting isn’t he literally is mocking the him crow pose
Im not black but i agree although he did a mistake and im glad he apologized
literally
@@milkfirst6309 He didn't know about it clearly and that's important to consider. He also learned from his mistake.
Sis I didn’t even know that’s what that meant and I’m a full blooded American so how would his Korean/Australian ass know?everything can’t be him being racist
You’re a full blooded American & didn’t know about Jim Crow Laws & Segregation??? BULLSH*T!
I really don't know where he gets his rap inspiration from but if he got some of it from parts of the black community or if he has looked around some subcultures, he could've seen that even if he didn't know what it was.
Also it does seem somewhat specific, I think for him to perform that move he'd have to have seen it somewhere, but he also could've seen it before and forgotten what it meant but tought it was a fun move to I corporate.
I love Chan I really don't know if that was meant to be racist, I don't want reasons to hate him but I also don't want to look at this from a biased (no pun intended) perspective.
Also I am not black so I could be lacking some knowledge.
I don't think many of you know much about Chan. Chan is Korean and Australian, he was born in Australia but went to a Korean school where they don't teach American History so there is a huge chance, he had no idea and if he had known I know for a fact he wouldn't do that.
Even if he did go to school in Australia not even American schools teach real American history so what makes you think Australia will?💀
He's born in korea but he went in australia whene he was a child
expecting a korean-australian man to know about black-american history, yeah, makes sense
Absolutely! Especially since he's profiting off of black culture so he def shouldn't do his research about the culture he's using!
@@sleek4546 i was being sarcastic..
Yes I agree, the fact that he knows the song lyrics from the start of the song, he def knew what he was doing
@@sleek4546 lmao have you ever been in an American history class. Our stuff is white washed so bad, don't expect an Australian to know. Not to mention, am I supposed to look at a pose and think, 'oh shit, time to look at wtf the pose means', no, even I thought I was just a simple pose
Edit: sorry if that sounded rude, just realized. I know chan new to be hold accountable, plus he know what the song is centered on, but I've seen many other black stays not know the full history of Jim Crow. Knowing the law, but not the pose. Once again, really sorry.
@@quinnzel316 even tho you’re being sarcastic you’re still I right, we don’t learn about African-American history in Australia 🗿
from an uncultured black stays point of view, i saw this trending and didn’t know what the problem was until i realized it was the jim crow pose. the fact that i didn’t even know anything was wrong and i’m black, i gave him the old kpopie ‘he didn’t know’ excuse. as for him changing the lyrics, i don’t see that big of a problem. you could call it distasteful sure, but at the end of the day he was just having fun and playing around with a sensitive song. i’m pretty sure he would done the same with any song.
Took the words right out of my mouth
I thought the same thing but then I kinda realised he’s copying the moves so he must of seen the video and the video kinda deep
He kinda killed it tho😂
@@kadircrawford2589 uh...no
I would say the same honestly. I mean most of the people I know who are black doesn't even know about this pose and pretty much none of the american history education books I read for school even depict this picture or movement...... Movements and postures are popularized all the time and copied and incorporated into dances. and things may been taken out of context by a lot of people over the course of timeline. And obviously there are cases where songs came out and people doesn't know it was racist until someone else make a whole video depicting why it was racist and not everyone is gonna see that video. Most likely the chance Bang chan saw people dancing to the movements with the music is high and did it thinking it was alright, though obviously we should let him know what he did was wrong. I don't think he took it upon himself to act racist lol, especially on camera.
Edit: Chan already apologized and the apology is already publicized by other STAYS. And it's really depends if you want to accept it or not.
ALSO: I don't know if you guys even know, but that Jim Crow dance he did, happened literally 3 years ago, which is literally when they just debuted. Obviously time shouldn't be an excuse and that people have the right to be called out for it. And it's even better that people realized their past mistakes and apologized for it.
But we as people should also acknowleged that people can be educated, learn, and grow in the many years that went by.
As a black person I feel like so many black Americans need to realize not every single country knows about American history I'm literally American and I didn't even know who Jim Crow was until like last year💀 you can't expect someone to know your history simply because they speak English💀
That is a failed education system...but Africans Hispanics Native and black Americans have more history than just Jim Crow. Knowledge is super important to take in do some investigating...i learned that in 5th Grade.
In that show every member had a song that THEY DIDN’T choose, it’s not their variety show and then with that song they have to introduce themselves that’s why the lyrics where changed quickly at the moment, Chan didn’t think about it at the moment a lot because the exercise was spontaneus. I prefer to say that he was unconcious and stupid too, but not a racist.
you are so right
He didn't choose the song but he didnt have to do the pose.
@@LearningwithJay1 does he knew what it means? a lot of people doesn’t know till this day and is because it’s not common that every corporal movement in a music video or in a choreo has a specific meaning behind it like that one. The thing he knew what’s the hand thing so he changed it, but other than it’s absurd to assume that he knew the meaning of that pose…
@@nahomyduarte2379 it doesn’t matter if he “didn’t” knew it not like?
Doesn’t matter if he didn’t know the pose was unnecessary he’s fluent in English he should understand what the song means
So we're gonna act like he's intentionally making the Jim Crow pose and not referencing the pose that Childish Gambino made in the video that was also referenced in this video? Yeah that's the pose CB made but it's not exactly the most obvious thing in the video. I didn't even get the reference the first time I seen it. I'm sure most of yall didn't either. So you're all racist for not knowing it too right?
To top that off he just riffed off of the beat and was being stupid. You all will find anything to cancel someone over. Anti's coming out the woodwork.
y’all have got to stop coddling these people 🤦🏽♀️ “antis” and it’s about racism 😭😭 if he wants to profit off of black american culture so bad he can do his damn research on what he’s dancing to.
@@kyleah613 this is amican
And remember kids, don't you dare to say, dance, sing or mentioning anything related to the USA, because it's "offensive"
i didn’t even know jim crow was a character i thought it was some dude they made the laws out of, and i live in america
i seriously doubt that he wouldve known
I’m an asian raised in my home country and I honestly do not have a clue on who tf or wtf jim crow is so watching this confused me more
AFTER TWO YEARS???????
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Idk if it’s just me but i feel as if the word mocked is harsh because i don’t think he was doing it in a hateful way at all maybe the word mimics would fit better and help clear the message of him just being ignorant and not blatantly racist because i feel like that’s the reason he changed the move from a gun to a thumbs up was because he didn’t wanna represent the actual message of the song because he did know the context of the song just not the context of the moves, so on his ignorance i will hold him accountable and let him get shamed on but personally i forgive the man. Especially with his apology he got banned for.
Yeah I agree people took it the wrong way what in that video shows that's he's hating on it or showing or saying anything bad ab it
No?
No stfu honestly
@@Mia69733 what????
@@alyshakockfara3012 because ppl are twisting the situation and trying to make it worse than what it really is that’s why this scandal from three years ago resurfaced right during comeback week
so now everyone is supposed to know about this things out of spite??? I did not even know this until this video and I still don't know who or what pose is that from, nor the background story of it.
they don't teach this stuff in other countries(like Korea, in this case) and the rest of the world is not "woke and educated" on matters that did not really had an impact on each others country and they are not obligated to either, just like the gringos don't know half the history of Hispanic or Asian countries(e.g.) yet they like to take our music, our culture, our traditions, damn sometimes they even make fun of us and nobody likes to talk about it.
please do better everyone🧡🧡
He watched the video…the video is full of black adults and children being killed while addressing the issues in America. Clearly he knew,,y’all are just brainless and can’t use logic. As much as I love StrayKids and Bangchan…he knew and I can admit that he was wrong. Stop using the “we don’t learn about this” or “this doesn’t happen in Korea” it’s common sense that he watched the music video being that he knew the pose and that it was done in the music video..I mean the pose was done to kill a black man. If you’re not an African American..I truly don’t think it’s your place to victimize him for not knowing the background especially being that you’re uneducated on the subject and made this about Hispanics and Asians when we are speaking about an African American historical pose with lots of background being mocked. Like I said apart of standing your favorite groups is educating them and explaining why it is wrong..although black people are not obligated to explain anything to a non black person who is uneducated…we all have the internet and Bangchan grew up in Australia where he had access to diversity and the internet.
When I saw the This is America mv I had no idea that pose had ANY type of reference, US is not the center of the universe and not everyone knows everything about American culture lmao get over yourselves
Same, I mean most of the people I know who are black doesn't even know about this pose and pretty much none of the american history education books I read for school even depict this picture or movement...... Movements and postures are popularized all the time and copied and incorporated into dances. and things may been taken out of context by a lot of people over the course of timeline. And obviously there are cases where songs came out and people doesn't know it was racist until someone else make a whole video depicting why it was racist or the meaning behind it and not everyone is gonna see that video. Most likely the chance Bang chan saw people dancing to the movements with the music is high and did it thinking it was alright, though obviously we should let him know what he did was wrong. I don't think he took it upon himself to act racist lol, especially on camera.
@@nozomiyu-chan2335 yup this is what I think too
@@catttyun I just realized, that song actually came out in 2017(same and closed month when Bang Chan danced to it) , and that song if you checked, was highly popularized. And the idea of people dancing to it is VERY high. So Bang Chan probably thought it was a popularized movement and song. And just imagined with tiktok, which came out the same year as well.
Adding on, I only seen people making videos depicting the meaning of the song and the posture after the song came out. As an American myself it was my first time knowing of this posture due to Bang chans case and went to look at the videos of the song.
Obviously if people felt what he did was wrong, it's good to call him out on it and let him know. Educate him! But was it necessary for people to go as far as giving, death threats, telling them to disband, or calling the whole group racist.
That's just my thought process, though.
as a black person who isn’t so involved in the kpop community and is only now learning about the various problematic incidents, it genuinely looks like he was just copying what he saw. not out of bad intention but maybe just copying it like how some copy a choreo? i’ve heard that he apologised but we should at least take into consideration that what other countries history teaches students isn’t the same everywhere in the world and may have not been aware of the historical meaning behind it. i also heard that they did not choose the songs. i don’t think it was performed with negative intent whatsoever but may have been for fun and games. although i hope shows like these really take into account meanings behind songs and choose it based on what the meaning is so we don’t run into problems like these. i wouldn’t call it mocking but it isn’t the right thing to do either.
this is by no means defending Chan but he does need to be held accountable for what he’s done.
and about the lyric changing situation. just by listening to the song, definitely don’t do that. you don’t even need to know the context to know that you shouldn’t do that. definitely a very horrible thing to do on his part.
Not taking up for him, but did he know the history or meaning to this dance? I mean sometimes we think people know but I’m not really sure, I mean you can point out if they are educated about black history or not. I’m just saying. Some idols know what they are doing and some don’t know.
I didn’t know that the dance he was doing was a Jim Crow dance either and I’m black😭
i literally just found out what it meant 😭
@@scratcheseyeballs nah sameee
Chan was from Australia, but he went to a Korean school where they don't teach about American history, so there is a strong chance he didn't know. I'm not saying what he did is right, but I doubt he meant any harm from it.
@@juliaburkhard56706 ohhh that makes sense, hopefully he did not do that on purpose
I don’t think he knew
The mans fluent in English he should understand
@@user-os6kq2sq3j knowing English doesn’t mean you know about the Jim Crow pose
@@hunter424 k but he knows the song and clearly understands the meaning
@@hunter424 Bro r u even black
@@user-os6kq2sq3j i also knew the song and didn’t know the meaning until this showed up?
You guys need to chill out bc they don’t pick the songs 🙄🙄
It doesn’t matter who picked the song out Chan has no place or reason to be doing the Jim Crow pose. It’s very clear that the song and pose had meaning. And he’s from Australia and is fluent in English. He’s also an adult I think he can educate himself. And this isn’t even the first time. 😐
Also I’m not hating on him but I’m not defending him either. As a black stay I’m very disappointed but Chan’s not racist, I just think he should have been more educated. And he did apologize but I just hope this doesn’t happen again.
It doesn't mean what he did was right, he was still wrong for that.
@@keehos_boba1533 first off, as a person who lives in Australia, we don’t learn about the Jim Crow. I thought it was a person but apparently they’re racist laws? We don’t really learn about African-American history, mainly aboriginal and torrest strait islanders-
Also I’m black ✌🏽
@@afia7710 Ok thank you for explaining that because I thought that people in Australia would learn something like this. Where I’m from we learned about this. But I’m sorry I feel like I was a little harsh. But I definitely have thought about the situation more.
Don't understand how people think he automatically knows what everything means just bc he speaks english, not to mention, he's Australian, he doesn't learn abt American history. Ever been in an American history class? Our shit is so white washed, not to mention, how am I supposed to know a pose automatically has a meaning behind behind it? What am I supposed to do? 'oh shit saw someone pose, time to see wtf it means', like what?
Edit: Don't mean to defend him in it's entirety, I know he lost definitely needs to be hold accountable + the meaning of the song, but I've seen other black stays and fans not know the full extent of Jim Crows history (the pose)
If you watched the “This Is America” music video just once you will understand it’s not something to mock. BLACK PEOPLE ARE BEING SHOT IN THE BACKGROUND YET HE STILL THINKS IT’S FUNNY TO MOCK? We’re asking for respect & for you to not mock our struggles & history but apparently that’s too much.
Chan may have been born in Australia, but by the time he was at the age that there was a chance he could have learned about this topic in school, he was already a trainee in Korea. I know for a fact that the don’t talk about stuff like this in Korea and maybe not even Australia. I don’t normally like to use the they didn’t know excuse, but it’s very plausible that he actually didn’t know. Even my full on American self didn’t know, so how could he, a Korean Australian, know?
I mean.. It is a really sensitive song and though many don't know the deep history behind it but we all still know it's about racism and many dark topics
Companies should really know this in advance especially in this day and age
I’m Nigerian if not for the fact that I’m a stay I probably wouldn’t have known about this for a long time
Istg, I’m Dutch and I’ve never seen that drawing in my life.
AS A BLACK PERSON, i do not find this as offensive to my culture because most likely he doesn’t know what the meaning of black culture is as a Korean - Australian person so make it make sense to me on what the meaning of that pose means without looking it up because i know i don’t know what it means off the top of my head so if you do and your not BLACK let me know something please and thank you and i will continue to be a STAY.
And i will not argue with someone that is trying to stick up for BLACK CULTURE and you aren’t black yourself. Because it is just stupid! so, i’m really hoping you are black too.
So even tho im black i did not know about jim crow till today and i did not know that what bangchan did was racit till today💀
That's a shame you didn't know about Jim Crow...Don't let America make you forget what ALL your family members went through before the 70's...
@@Juliodadon210 I live in London England not America
Anybody that didn't see it from the jump sleepy
Kpop stans trying not to be racist challange IMPOSSIBLE:
A lot of my black friends dont even know what that pose mean
He wasn't trying to be racist and I'm so tired as a black person seeing this because I've been to school with all black community school, and they've made fun of this Jim Crow law, so I'm not understanding why we're pointing fingers
Not y'all saying he didnt know the pose had an meaning if he didn't why he do it i mean like he could choose any pose but he chose that specific one like how do they choose an song and not know nothing about it mistake or not its disrespectful
As a black person I honestly don’t care
I don’t…think he knew.
@@sbi65 ?? He born in Australia but that doesn't mean that he will know a pose that it's from america culture. He is wrong, definitely, but suppose that someone from the other side of the world will know everything about black american culture is just ???
Like, it's such specific pose, how is he supposed to know something like that?
Americans centers their country like everyone is supposed to know about everything and that just piss me off 🙄
@@maiteenrique2139 I was ment to delete my comment. I see my mistake. Also I'm not American if that was what u were insinuating. Couldn't read all of it
@@sbi65 good that you understand your mistake, but about americans i really meant what i said being you american or not. They do center their country and unfortunately it's a fact
i think he did a good job (yes im black)😂😂
He was simply dancing, immigrating CG. It was innocent and did not come from a place of purpose.
So many North American people of color, especially from the new generations.. had to educate themselves on what Jim Crow is. ... So how can we expect younger generations of foreigners to even come close to understanding the politics behind certain actions.
At the end of the day everyone needs to stop being so sensitive, not everything is a racial attack !
where can i find the original video?
I don’t this’ll he was trying to make fun of it he was just trying to have fun
don’t try to excuse it
@@lcyyoongid6091 y not
@@hunter424 because it’s my opinion and that’s what I think 🙃
@@lliya_bestie3097 not u bestie
@@hunter424 fuck do you mean why not? Are you dumb it’s RACIST
I’m sorry this is a reach. It was a trending song he was mimicking childish gambino not the history:/ I feel idols should def know the basics of racism like not to hate dark skin or say nigga cause those are much more obvious, but even this pose was something obscure/unknown to me at first & im black.
Duuude the pose is funny so it's normal that doesn't mean he is racist or making fun of Jim i guess it's very normal
WHY gringos still think that the rest of the world should know about their own history? Do they know about the civil wars in other countries? Do they even know the actual History of Africa and how and why slavery begun? Do they even care? Why should WE care if they don't? We all have our own problems in our own countries, so give this man a break!
Not gringos, it's only Americans things 🙄 What is their problem?? Omfg
This is literally about black people you dumb f*ck. Secondly yes. The U.S. has many foreign history courses. Omg stfu. I genuinely hate people like you so f*cking much. Nobody said that the US is the center of the world. If you watched the “This Is America” music video just once you will understand it’s not something to mock. BLACK PEOPLE ARE BEING SHOT IN THE BACKGROUND YET YOU STILL THINK IT’S FUNNY TO MOCK? Then you’re just stupid. We’re asking for respect & for you to not mock our struggles & history but apparently that’s too much. Much yea f*ck both you & him.
@@monique4525 nobody its saying its mock, but why do you think its supposed to people around the world to know such a small characteristic about american culture or black culture as you saying. He's wrong to play like this, but people are accusing him of being racist because a pose that I'm sure 90% of the world don't know. So before get offended and start cussing, think abt others pov.
@@maiteenrique2139 it’s not just the pose. You’re purposely acting dense. He mocked the song lyrics as well. To a song about police brutality. Meaning he listened to the song & watched the music video. He watched a video of black people being shot by police & proceeded to mock the lyrics. He shouldn’t have mocked anything period.
Go watch the “This is America” music video rn. After watching come back. Do you feel comfortable mocking anything from it? Did you need a 12 week long black American history course to know how serious that song was? No right.
@@monique4525 he was in a game were they put a music and he have to introduce himself, that's why he acted funny, because everybody has to. I'm pretty sure he didn't choose the music, so what do you think he gonna do? He's a idol, if he made a straight face and say "please, change this music, since it's wrong" i don't think they would care abt him.
I'm really trying to understand your side so please read this commentary in a soft way, so my words won't be misunderstood.
As a normal person I could not care less
Pls tell me what the crow pose is 🧔🏾♀️
everyone just wants a reason to cancel ppl all the f time
yo you just go relax and play videos. we dont need kids comments. a+
Anyways angry about something, happy about nothing
We’re definitely gonna be angry at someone mocking a song about police brutality.
@@monique4525 cope
@@etzie1728 come up with something new.
@@monique4525 Rich LMAO. I bet you're the victim in every scenario you can imagine. Poor baby.
@@monique4525 the fact that you hear "cope" often really does not surprise me.
You can't even cope with k-pop stars dancing to a music video. 🤣
Theyre kids
and i really thought he was ok... but now i know... that's not good 😡😡😡😡😡😡
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Hear me out. Maybe this is me defending Korean men.... But I don't think he meant any harm. Listen, if it was the n word, no going back. I have dropped whole groups because of that. This is America trended at number 1 on lots of platforms and a lot of people in place other than America heard it. I think he was just doing the dance. As for the other lyrics, I'm conflicted. TIA was important to a lot of people. A lot of American people. Please use other songs as samples or they spoof it. Our issues are world wide. We are the oppressed people we hear about in other countries. We get they're having problems but we don't get them. Again, it's not like the n word. There's no excuse for that. I'm just saying I don't think he meant anything by this. There was a KPOP idol that articulated Michol, the black face icon. That was articulated. I just don't think Chan had any intent
What in the world....?
I’m trying my hardest-
🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
They don’t anything about the history
They don’t know the meaning
Asian dude doing cuz he thinks it’s cute or funny in his view
I dont care lol
I don’t like how some of you are saying “I didn’t even know what it was” that imagery is very prevalent I see it about once a month on tiktok at this point I just think you guys aren’t educated. This is America had a very deep message behind it why wouldn’t the imagery in the music video have meaning?
Whether he know or not, his action was racist. The ACTION it self was racist. I don't know if his intentions were tho, but the action was racist, period.
People around the world know American history. Australia knows about America
Coming from a British person (and I can probably speak for the rest of Europe) we do not think that highly of you guys. Yeah, we learn about JFK and the like and that is pretty much it. Why would we learn your history when we have our own?
@@januaryjones8010 I am not American. I am from a country that is part of the British commonwealth. Learning from the mistakes of the past, so you do not make those same mistakes again. Because if you didn’t know American history. You would just agree with them in believing they have always been an ally fighting in all the world wars against evil. So you acting arrogant is what they inherited from the British. Injustice and many other things. They are your devils spawn.
We’re not even asking them to do a 12 week history course. All you have to do is watch the “this is America” music video once & automatically know how serious it is. They’re purposely acting dense.
@Monique this is a ploy by republican politicians so then if their voters do something evil. They can use the excuse they were never taught doing things like storming the capital or hanging people is wrong. Because it is not in the school courses. It is a dangerous path
@@monique4525 So you're not asking for a 12 week course on American history, but you're asking for someone to understand a reference that you can't understand unless you have knowledge about this specific aspect from American history 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️.
People outside of the US know that racism is a thing, but we don't know the specifics, and we won't unless we look into them, something that we also are not obliged to do (same way y'all are not obliged to know what "Nunca Más" means in Argentina's history). Following said example, you could listen to a lot of songs that reference that specific aspect of our history, while also still not knowing that the phrase "Nunca Más" holds a particular meaning.
Y'all are the ones that can't get your head out of your asses to even consider that people outside your country may not know about your precious history 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
ngl people don’t really care but you should,because America has had some problems for a long time and literally making a joke about it cause that pose with the gun was the guy from smiling friends(blackface)but they might have not known since they probably don’t live in America.
ive lost all respect for bang chan after this but yall shitting on the other members for chan's actions is not it
@winnie's bestie oh my god, we're obviously gonna disagree so stop looking to argue
@winnie's bestie no i genuinely just dont wanna start an argument
@rikii how tf do you watch a music video with black people being shot in the background by police & then think it’s ok to turn around & mock the lyrics? ANSWER QUICKLY!!
not even surprised this is coming from stray kids lol
What do you mean by that?
fr they’re always problematic. and then they pull the card « sowwy i didn’t know 🥺🥺🥺💗💗 » like dumbass ??
fr like their fans always defending them and saying it’s not their fault like what?
@@user-os6kq2sq3j yhh
Australians are fuck heads
I won't lie this kinda terrifying when u know the meaning behind his song
He's in the wrong 😐
Why are ppl defending him like he doesn't know better he isn't a child