Scientist completely disagrees with Sadhguru on meditation and brain activity

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  • Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025

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  • @mayankshelawala8504
    @mayankshelawala8504 11 месяцев назад +900

    I have listened to this earlier. It's Great. But the title is not good at all. Scientists should not be mentioned as Mad. In Bharat we respect Charvak as Rishi.

    • @sushant7530
      @sushant7530 11 месяцев назад +7

      Yeah fb respect..

    • @Lemme-sniff-ya
      @Lemme-sniff-ya 11 месяцев назад +6

      looks like they changed it

    • @dom-ct6ie
      @dom-ct6ie 11 месяцев назад +11

      i took Mad Scientist not as an insult. but i can agree there are better ways of describing the scientist

    • @DrummerJay74
      @DrummerJay74 11 месяцев назад

      The scientist has zero real intelligence.

    • @pradyumnlandge7512
      @pradyumnlandge7512 11 месяцев назад +6

      Mad scientist is taken in context of mad for science and not as insult.

  • @wuji5771
    @wuji5771 11 месяцев назад +163

    Weird that Steven Pinker's name is not mentioned in the title of the video or anywhere in the opening text.

    • @nikolairau9841
      @nikolairau9841 11 месяцев назад +8

      This is also what I asked myself. I asked myself all the time: "What's his name?" Thank you so much.

    • @gameplayer-ii1cv
      @gameplayer-ii1cv 10 месяцев назад +3

      The scientist's name is not even mentioned in the discription of the video!! Why is that so?

    • @jluque731
      @jluque731 10 месяцев назад +7

      its almost like the one who uploaded the video is biased

    • @gameplayer-ii1cv
      @gameplayer-ii1cv 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@jluque731 A debate must be impartial and no sudden conclusions should be made. A debate is is helpful to the audience in understanding the opinion and mindset of both the parties. But only if it's a healthy debate and people don't judge them soon and be neutral at all times

    • @jluque731
      @jluque731 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@gameplayer-ii1cv i tried my very best to understand why you just told me this

  • @Shoonya_000
    @Shoonya_000 11 месяцев назад +449

    In both scientific and religious aspects, I truly believe in the lines quoted by Mr. Abhijit Chavda - ''Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.''
    Correction - These lines were actually quoted by Carl Sagan

    • @needheartranken
      @needheartranken 10 месяцев назад +4

      Right. Existence and reality will never be known but it's got an infinite of things to learn. Isn't that cool? These debates and all human districts of learning (spiritual, physics, science) are just trying their best. All is doing a good progress and that's awesome and something to be grateful about!

    • @romilmahant2971
      @romilmahant2971 9 месяцев назад +19

      Extra ordinary claim requires extra ordinary evidence.

    • @jyothisarena
      @jyothisarena 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@romilmahant2971 the problem is that for a large majority of people cannot handle it , if someone's pointing the moon & you don't focus on the moon but you give the significance to the finger that pointing the moon , that's the actual problem

    • @ChanakaSanghi-
      @ChanakaSanghi- 9 месяцев назад

      🤯🤯🤯

    • @hemanthkumar5438
      @hemanthkumar5438 8 месяцев назад +7

      Lol Chavada😂😂😂

  • @chadalavadavijayakumar7818
    @chadalavadavijayakumar7818 11 месяцев назад +221

    Scientist is definitely not mad... Brilliant presentation of the their view points both by Scientist and Sadguru ji

    • @elijahrajpaul9189
      @elijahrajpaul9189 7 месяцев назад +3

      Except for the fact he denied that basic fundaments of how science even works

    • @scleless1342
      @scleless1342 6 месяцев назад +2

      He's clearly deluded so not sure what you mean lol

    • @KamielDomenie
      @KamielDomenie 24 дня назад

      @@scleless1342 His disability to experience certain things within his body doesn't make his thoughts irrelevant. He's just not in tune, but everyone that speaks risks the possibility to leave the reality behind the duality. And since science is embedded in words, models and empirical evidence it's a noble cause to participate in such ways that may enhance our technology. And we should also be grateful for technology because it brings us great forms of pleasantness.

  • @andacomfeeuvou
    @andacomfeeuvou 11 месяцев назад +199

    Not all people come into this world with the sensitivity to experience spiritual realities. We must have respect for all types of people, they are all needed in the world, each in their own way.

    • @kennyfernandez2866
      @kennyfernandez2866 11 месяцев назад +11

      Dude. Shut up. There is no profund sense of happiness, meaning or joy without spirit.

    • @diegoipl
      @diegoipl 11 месяцев назад +24

      ⁠​⁠@@kennyfernandez2866 he was speaking of tolerance and respect and the first thing you type is shut up? Ironically you supposedly understand better nature of happiness and joy right?

    • @kennyfernandez2866
      @kennyfernandez2866 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@diegoipl Exactly. And it has nothing to do with tolerance. You are proving my point.

    • @KamaleshwarMorjal
      @KamaleshwarMorjal 11 месяцев назад +4

      I'd wager they do... it is systemically destroyed by maintaining absolute control over their learning paths. Then of course, there is a lot more nuance to this than this oversimplified conclusion.

    • @kennyfernandez2866
      @kennyfernandez2866 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@KamaleshwarMorjal I don't think you are simplifying anything. THAT is the core reason. To pretend that people are not in charge of their lives is precisely the negation of spirit. What else could it be?

  • @AndersonHaran
    @AndersonHaran 6 месяцев назад +16

    the last hug shows the respect they have for each other

  • @RKR68892
    @RKR68892 11 месяцев назад +83

    "Completely disagree" words may be considered for removal from the caption.
    Wonderful debate between science and spirituality 🙏🙏🙏

  • @isaacmolina6210
    @isaacmolina6210 10 месяцев назад +43

    awesome conversation. Hate that the title was such a clickbait and that Pinker wasn't mentioned.

  • @mutoons___
    @mutoons___ 7 месяцев назад +32

    The scientist is talking about particle nature and Sadhguru is talking about wave nature of the same particle.

  • @praseet1
    @praseet1 11 месяцев назад +43

    He ain't mad he is having his opinions which as humans we need to respect. We need open discussions and the final aim should be we all should be together, not apart.

    • @Djockzone
      @Djockzone 5 месяцев назад

      Mad scientist is an expression mate. They're not saying he's mad

    • @praseet1
      @praseet1 5 месяцев назад

      @@Djockzone well the title says mad scientist vs sadguru...its a label they gave him.

  • @nosubject6899
    @nosubject6899 9 месяцев назад +20

    Change the Title of this wonderful video. We hindus respect scientists. Don't call him mad and don’t say that he disagrees.

    • @Ritesh-n7w
      @Ritesh-n7w 4 дня назад

      Respect science lol
      What about narendra dabholkar.

  • @doctorfitness2421
    @doctorfitness2421 11 месяцев назад +60

    Just remember that sanatansaints have achieved states that normal people or scientists have no clue about.. for example Baba Neeb karori, sadashiv Bhramendra , Mahavtar Babaji , Haida khan baba, ParamHamsa Yoganand and countless others.. Hindus must read about these saints and then their religious textbooks...

    • @wildhunter2323
      @wildhunter2323 11 месяцев назад +1

      Dont forget sai bhava who could vomit statues of gods.

    • @Santhosh-qp1hq
      @Santhosh-qp1hq 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@wildhunter2323 You only know about fake guru's, u will find the kinda ppl u search for

    • @ashuraam
      @ashuraam 11 месяцев назад

      Yes. They are dumb because of their arrogance, only a few humble intellectual are able to appreciate the depth of indian knowledge system.

    • @dreamwrestling8915
      @dreamwrestling8915 11 месяцев назад

      @@Santhosh-qp1hqLol Fake gurus ?
      You dont know a thing about spirituality then

    • @Rabonykannan
      @Rabonykannan 11 месяцев назад +2

      What States Sanatan saints achieved.? Please Explain

  • @kerryd7040
    @kerryd7040 8 месяцев назад +41

    What i did notice is the fact that its labelled "Mad Scientist vs Sadguru" what i also noticed is that the scientist was speaking without persuasion, and sadguru was using persuasive language "Yes? Hello?" Thats what i did notice.

    • @petiaivailova2563
      @petiaivailova2563 7 месяцев назад +9

      Interesting, and I first noticed the insolence and attempts at sarcasm of the so-called mad scientist.

    • @stefano1405
      @stefano1405 7 месяцев назад +12

      I don't know about being persuasive, but he used it to know are people attentive

    • @eddiejohnson8474
      @eddiejohnson8474 7 месяцев назад +2

      It’s nice to see 2 people that don’t agree on the topic talk without arguing or yelling!

    • @digixivatechnologies
      @digixivatechnologies 7 месяцев назад +2

      Yes hello what do you mean kerry 😂😂😂😂

    • @venkivenki8917
      @venkivenki8917 7 месяцев назад

      @@digixivatechnologies 😀

  • @VickyGRUENBLAT
    @VickyGRUENBLAT 11 месяцев назад +7

    I went to a retreat in 2004 with H.H. Cealo Gayuna. At some point, in the middle of the program. I was sitting in amoung about 40 people. I noticed Cealo lean over and say something to his interpreter. Then she spoke to me. He answered what I was thinking about. About him and his interpreter. Then he went on to speak about other things. Then, it occurred to me that he answered me in another language. I believe it's awareness that comes to our minds eye. AND yes, he was sitting in meditation.
    He was righting all the things he said to me. No one else was. Science proved him right.
    I think telepathy and clairvoyance are possible.We just haven't developed in them yet. We may develop in them in the age of surveillance.

    • @warehousejamsessions6302
      @warehousejamsessions6302 5 месяцев назад

      That last sentence is very logical .

    • @ronakpatel3646
      @ronakpatel3646 4 месяца назад

      You need to read BABA autobiography by rampuri(foreigner who became naga sadhu),
      If such power ws allowed to used thn india would be top in everything around the world coz here thousands of spiritual people till date use telepathy whenever thy need. But thy know one should not use telepathy unnecessarily.

  • @rjcreations5709
    @rjcreations5709 11 месяцев назад +8

    Why are we even telling this to them , when they didn't asked it from us

  • @raviskolara
    @raviskolara 11 месяцев назад +36

    they are speaking from two different 'frameworks' of their learnings and realizations. No question of agree or disagreeing. I see this as a nice conversation between two 'experiences' only and its an 'exchange'

    • @Shiva99333
      @Shiva99333 7 месяцев назад +2

      I learned dirt is dangerous.

    • @sashmeetaprasad
      @sashmeetaprasad 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@Shiva99333 😂

    • @suzanaMoreno-g9n
      @suzanaMoreno-g9n 5 дней назад

      ​@@Shiva99333One love .❤❤❤❤❤️ 😊

  • @shole108
    @shole108 11 месяцев назад +11

    How can we explain and prove the subjective experience of transcending with the objective methods of science, it is impossible... How can we explain the self-relative nature of consciousness - which creates itself from itself, it is also impossible... This is the reason why science and spirituality can never meet... Sri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi had the most success in this, who initiated many scientists into the technique of Transcendental Meditation.

    • @wthomas5697
      @wthomas5697 11 месяцев назад

      The real reason why is because "spirituality" is b.s. .

    • @Jagombe1
      @Jagombe1 11 месяцев назад +3

      This is what Federico Faggin (the physicist who invented the microprocessor) is trying to tell fellow scientists; that science and spirituality are two sides of the same thing and consciousness does not emerge from the brain. It is what is the substrate of the brain!

    • @kennyfernandez2866
      @kennyfernandez2866 11 месяцев назад

      I think to better frame what you are saying is: this is why science can't reach reality. It has burdened itself to a certain bandwith and it can't go beyond. Only the mind can go into the mind.

  • @Vivek-tm6tp
    @Vivek-tm6tp 11 месяцев назад +19

    What about Edgar Cayce , the great recorded readings etc on record ,and University of ESP founded on his life & powers , at the US in the 1930s... Anyone can check up ...

    • @starchild2121
      @starchild2121 10 месяцев назад

      There's no actual writings from him, just claims.

    • @Vivek-tm6tp
      @Vivek-tm6tp 8 месяцев назад

      @@starchild2121 There are 1000s of his statements in trance state all recorded by scientists available in Book forms available in Amazon !!All on RECORD authenticated !!!

    • @valeriocarini4509
      @valeriocarini4509 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@starchild2121 yeah except for 15000 stenographic registered readings

    • @warehousejamsessions6302
      @warehousejamsessions6302 5 месяцев назад

      I'm not sure if I dispute cayce or refute him. One thing I have problem with his story is that he keeps everyone in masculine or feminine status. If you are a man he will tell you of your male existence and I don't believe our reincarnations stay in x or y. It makes more sense that we would be both not just one. So that cayce kept his readings Male for men and female for women makes me question .

  • @theresapelham1918
    @theresapelham1918 11 месяцев назад +54

    Sadguru you never cease to amaze me!!! Wonderful!

    • @iminalert9289
      @iminalert9289 11 месяцев назад +2

      well you should start reading books then and not philosophy cause that is equally garbage .

  • @manjubala2122
    @manjubala2122 11 месяцев назад +13

    Beautiful conversation two different worldviews and experiences are poured out there. That is the beauty of existence

  • @Raj-gz9yh
    @Raj-gz9yh 11 месяцев назад +8

    It's so interesting to watch because both Sadhguru and the scientist are brilliant people, but in opposite ways. The scientist is a brilliant logician, Sadhguru is a brilliant intuitist. Both of them come up with brilliant answers, in two different ways. It is really fascinating to see the two different forms of genius, as we can see two people can be brilliant but in two separate personalities. What the world needs is a union between the type of mind the scientist has and the type of mind sadhguru has. We need a balance between thinking-logic and feeling-intuition.

    • @YogaToSamadhi
      @YogaToSamadhi 11 месяцев назад +2

      The difference is that the scientist, wants to assume he has explanations for things he doesn't know.

    • @Raj-gz9yh
      @Raj-gz9yh 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@YogaToSamadhiI agree I think this scientist was a little bit closed minded from what I saw (didn’t watch the whole video). He seems a little too skeptical and not open minded enough to try and understand something he has not experienced. He is a very “by the book” person which is kind of frustrating to deal with. On the opposite end Sadhguru with all his mystic prowess is completely off the books intelligence. These two are like polar opposites but both are respectable in their own way

    • @Scimatics-2023
      @Scimatics-2023 11 месяцев назад

      Sadguru is only used to having yes men around. Here he is in the presence of a no- nonsence intelect so he cant get away with his half truths and bullshit. He utters so much irrelevant things showing his lack of formal education.

    • @AaronAceElam
      @AaronAceElam 11 месяцев назад

      Thats what happens when you reach samadhi. You enter into union with both

    • @bodiminds6571
      @bodiminds6571 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@AaronAceElam i completely disagree , the state of samadhi is when nothing material feels useful to you , you are in harmony and union with yourself with ecstatic eternal joy

  • @chandandutta6463
    @chandandutta6463 11 месяцев назад +42

    I think Sadhguru's argument is the best : it is like the more we have more we will be sorrowful in varied ways ! Yes, that's true !

  • @somebodywhocares9293
    @somebodywhocares9293 11 месяцев назад +7

    An academic vs an esoteric practitioner.
    In the end
    Himalayas has the kali temple
    That's unexplainable also

  • @GerardZabalza-oq3vj
    @GerardZabalza-oq3vj 11 месяцев назад +4

    Awareness, Consciousness. Thoses are the words

  • @premannair6857
    @premannair6857 9 месяцев назад +3

    Yes, indeed, no disagreeing happens here in this discussion both are travelling through different route and means....

  • @mamavscience2977
    @mamavscience2977 11 месяцев назад +4

    So, the ultimate reality that can be pointed at is quantum reality, which is synonymous with spiritual reality, which, as Sadhguru says, does come with its own logic,. is deserving of methodical development. Classical reality is a mere outpicturing of quantum reality. We can't edit the movie once it's being projected onto the screen; we edit on an editing table. There *is* a phenomenon of progress--or better, development--but it is derivative of the deeper dynamics of Universal Mind. I'm so happy Sadhguru appreciates the identity of karma and information.. Information is the nature of what gets outpictured, like a graph is an outpicturing of an equation. We can learn about the deeper dynamics from their projection into classical space.

    • @ayenpatel3738
      @ayenpatel3738 7 месяцев назад +1

      what is quantum reality ,people r using fancy words only here

  • @nolanconnelly6821
    @nolanconnelly6821 11 месяцев назад +4

    and the evening and the morning; was the first day:
    and as long as the earth remaineth; reaping time and soing time, shall continue!

  • @amit-jx5lh
    @amit-jx5lh 6 месяцев назад +5

    Do not say a mad scientist, he has done so much contribution to the science and he must be respected for that❤❤

  • @shashikanna8412
    @shashikanna8412 4 месяца назад +3

    "ದೂರದ ಬೆಟ್ಟ ನುಣ್ಣಗೆ" Sadgru reffered this proverb of kannada ಕನ್ನಡ language , proud to be a sanathani and kannadiga ❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @Mr.Shreeeeka
    @Mr.Shreeeeka 10 месяцев назад +4

    Thank you SadhGuru!

  • @karmatashi5337
    @karmatashi5337 11 месяцев назад +5

    Well the ancient Indian philosophy has something called two truth relative and absolute which is also really a fundamental ideology in Buddhism. Absolute truth is the emptiness that all things arise dependently and the relative the state of things which the normal people see mainly seeing as if the object arise from itself.

    • @boatnoy
      @boatnoy 11 месяцев назад +1

      That ancient come later and was told ancient

    • @bhuMarab
      @bhuMarab 11 месяцев назад

      Nahhh….theres no such thing as absolute truth in buddhism….becuz emptiness is the absence of an absolute….so emptiness itself is empty of any absolute phenomena…..and fundamental ideology of both religion completely different (except for advaite vedanta)….hindus belive in an absolute truth(supreme being) or krishna……Buddhists dont belive in absolute truth(or god)

  • @knaraya936
    @knaraya936 6 месяцев назад +5

    Brilliant discussion. We must have more of these.

  • @yesuwehjulaton301
    @yesuwehjulaton301 10 месяцев назад +2

    the master guru is saying that there is a real inward experienced that is not registering mentally..mentally firing is just a trick if entensionaly want by the doer or life .

  • @eversunnyguy
    @eversunnyguy 11 месяцев назад +12

    What is the name of the scientist ? It should be on the caption.

    • @Rent-A-Mind
      @Rent-A-Mind 11 месяцев назад +1

      Steven Pinker

    • @tokman7
      @tokman7 10 месяцев назад

      @@Rent-A-Mind Steven Pinker is a great mind, it's disrespectful not to introduce him properly in the caption or description to this video.

    • @Rent-A-Mind
      @Rent-A-Mind 10 месяцев назад

      @@tokman7 I understand but we really shouldn’t pay any mind to it at all if that’s the case. This is a repost from a random individual who loves sadhguru. I know s/he loves him because a quick glance at their channel shows me that there is a provocative name for every person talking with him. If RUclips videos had no titles or description I bet we would listen to their words more and criticize a stinky title less. They could easily be writing the most provocative title to start these very discussions, bringing more attention to these attention seekers; driving us away from the reality of the video/message and slowly turning this degeneracy into a social norm. In our very criticism and repulsion of this “trend” we sow the seed of future negativity that trap the gullible and feeds the troll. Soon enough kids will be doing it, and they’ll grow up with this need for provocative social media content to gain more likes, more follows, and more dopamine hits; and just like that, they die without ever having lived
      We are more likely to click on “mad scientist disagrees with sadhguru” than (the original title in sadhguru’s channel) “Is consciousness a miracle | Harvard’s Cognitive Scientist Prof. Steven Pinker & Sadhguru.”
      I happen to have read a few books by Steven years ago and he was a great stepping stone that lead to my realization that he and many others like him have no idea what’s going on, none of us have the faintest idea, the best guesses are lies, but more importantly, science is by no means a basis for extrapolating into human values and beliefs. Watching this I couldn’t remember his name for the life of me because I had already been bamboozled, I was expecting a dimwitted intellectual and for a moment lost my awareness and focus, but I appreciate him enough, and listened intently enough to find the full and original video in just a few seconds to come out of there allot stronger and settled in my original beliefs.

    • @Rent-A-Mind
      @Rent-A-Mind 10 месяцев назад

      @@tokman7 I understand but we really shouldn’t pay any mind to it at all if that’s the case.
      We have become accustomed to expect language and thoughts to offer explanations which they cannot give. It’s the names and labels themselves that are driving us away from the reality of the video which slowly turns this degeneracy into a social norm. In our very criticism and repulsion of this “trend” we sow the seed of future negativity that traps the gullible masses and feeds the troll. We are more likely to click on “mad scientist disagrees with sadhguru” than (the original title in sadhguru’s channel) “Is consciousness a miracle | Harvard’s Cognitive Scientist Prof. Steven Pinker & Sadhguru.”

    • @Rent-A-Mind
      @Rent-A-Mind 10 месяцев назад

      @@tokman7 He will make his way into the hearts and minds of those ready and willing to search for it- I couldn’t remember his name but I knew where to look to find it. You will either learn something new or walk away much more settled and stronger in your original beliefs if you chew on these things that you disagree with. And that’s just like.. my opinion, maan 😂 🙏

  • @TheKvamshi10
    @TheKvamshi10 11 месяцев назад +177

    This Scientist has no idea about Indian marriage system.

    • @kanthan668
      @kanthan668 11 месяцев назад +11

      T.his guru uses Jiddu Krishnamurti's insights. Often he forgets what he read

    • @atomatman3104
      @atomatman3104 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@kanthan668 LET US NOT FORGET YOU DO NOT EXIST LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR YOU DON'T EXIST......AND NEVER WILL...EXIST. YOU FORGET YOU DO NOT MATTER ANYMORE THAN THE NEXT WHEN CREATION DECIDES YOUR GONE YOUR GONE. ME MEANS MORE EXHAUST IS NEEDED TO BRING YOU ALL BACK INWARD MARRY THE FIRE AND WATER ..........

    • @magdahoekstra1694
      @magdahoekstra1694 11 месяцев назад +11

      Very arrogant conclusions of the scientist

    • @RockPileTanks
      @RockPileTanks 11 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@atomatman3104😂 gotta love when you yell at someone on the internet(ALL CAPS WARRIORS INCOMING)🎉😂

    • @AP-eb8hd
      @AP-eb8hd 11 месяцев назад +5

      For someone like sad guru who killed his wife and got away with it... 😂😂😂😂

  • @lorddryp
    @lorddryp 10 месяцев назад +33

    This scientist is not mad, he is just constricted to his narrow field of perception, he can't grasp anything beyond reality of mind and phisicall senses.

    • @truepeacefromviolence9581
      @truepeacefromviolence9581 8 месяцев назад +3

      And what has someone accomplished with not so constricted field . What have they grasped ? What have they grasped that they cant share it with the world but only boast about it . Ah peace love unity is that all .

    • @prabh5207
      @prabh5207 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​​@@truepeacefromviolence9581 bro somethings are important to be realised by the person on his own , realising it on your own not only helps you to make yourself better but also opens your mind by finding things step by step on your own this helps you to be able to understand it better in your own way.... people like satguru are trying to give you himts but even if he tried to explain it you ,you wouldn't understand as you have never experienced those things .... yoga is something that help you to go deep within you and experience things that you can't understand and helps you to find out who you are ..........
      I hope this helps 🙏

    • @Hyacinth_Rose
      @Hyacinth_Rose 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@truepeacefromviolence9581the truth.

    • @sublimechimp
      @sublimechimp 5 месяцев назад

      @@prabh5207pinker is a grand example of objective knowledge. Sadhguru is a grand example of subjective knowing

    • @murald7580
      @murald7580 5 месяцев назад

      Thanks to this scientist. Maks us to think.
      we support by clapping by emotion without conemplating.

  • @sjvsk8er11
    @sjvsk8er11 3 месяца назад

    22:14 we've abstracted our survival instinct to work with potential threats opposed to present ones because we are comfortable , but comfort does not birth innovation but the opposite

  • @YashdeepBalu
    @YashdeepBalu 11 месяцев назад +84

    This scientist can only be convinced if he is able to experience, which is not commonly available in the market 😂

    • @dracs007
      @dracs007 11 месяцев назад

      It’s available everywhere.
      Shit if u scared to look for some due to law, you could go get some cow dung throw it in your backyard and boom next day u have the tool u need. 😂
      But it’s drugs u will say and go back to reading ur book 😂

    • @AP-eb8hd
      @AP-eb8hd 11 месяцев назад

      Lol... will you be convinced if I were doing with your mom..?

    • @James-or2lt
      @James-or2lt 11 месяцев назад +10

      Eben Alexander and many others have changed from being materialists to spiritual after own experience. No one can believe anything only self experience will convince these people.

    • @littleripples213
      @littleripples213 11 месяцев назад +5

      Even this meditation selling overhyped guru is fake😂😂

    • @dracs007
      @dracs007 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@littleripples213 of course he is fake.
      Show me a non fake spiritual guy.

  • @eddiejohnson8474
    @eddiejohnson8474 7 месяцев назад +2

    It’s nice to see 2 people that don’t agree on the topic not arguing or yelling!!! Good debate!

  • @vedanandnarain9956
    @vedanandnarain9956 11 месяцев назад +5

    Excellent discussion, Sadguru.

  • @melsam6025
    @melsam6025 11 месяцев назад +2

    It's difficult for one to grasp using logic and physical mind if it's not experienced.

  • @Blackpersontd2345
    @Blackpersontd2345 7 месяцев назад +3

    Sadhguru is definitely a Great Human Being... His energy, words are truly Great..

    • @hasakiadhikari6297
      @hasakiadhikari6297 5 месяцев назад

      He is not a geniuses inventor lol he is just a baba💩

  • @SuperHuman57
    @SuperHuman57 2 месяца назад

    These kind of conversations are world changing

  • @LalitChunni-xo5mc
    @LalitChunni-xo5mc 11 месяцев назад +7

    Can you explain like kailasa temple how it happen

    • @abhishekabhi6870
      @abhishekabhi6870 9 месяцев назад

      I can, just try to know about concegrated temples, concegrated lingas, how concentration works and the science behind all the structures and geometry behind temples.

    • @abhishekabhi6870
      @abhishekabhi6870 9 месяцев назад

      And learn about ancient yogis and their knowledge in geometry(shapes) , mandtra (frequency), tandric knowledges

  • @scientificbhaiya9336
    @scientificbhaiya9336 4 месяца назад

    Such a beautiful and respectful conversation between the two great beings ❤.
    It’s a disappointment to see such a wrong thumbnail about the video, please remove it.

  • @Corteum
    @Corteum 11 месяцев назад +18

    Pinker doesn't understand things like what Sadguru is talking about. It's way beyond his current level of development and capability. That's why he doesn't even understand consciousness.

    • @truepeacefromviolence9581
      @truepeacefromviolence9581 8 месяцев назад

      Fraud gurus 😂 and his followers think they know more than a scientist what a joke .

  • @bankfokus2600
    @bankfokus2600 5 месяцев назад +1

    With regard to the twin story in the behavioral genetics section at about 46 minutes in the video: Although the genetical predispositions are identical as well as that the environment largely is the same for the twins, this does not account for the variability not only of minor fluctuations in the environment but also of possibly large differences in the application of agency of the individual. The conditions for the twins may be identical in the way that they are genetically predisposed and environmentally motivated to want to form their own unique identity in relation to the world and possibly even more so because of the other very similar twin. We must remember that humans are not necessarily passively determined by their genetics and environment. More consistent with our subjective experience is that we possess agency which on the other hand does not imply that nothing about us can be determined by genetics and environment. It's hardly the case that we freely decide everything about ourselves although we may delude ourselves into believing so. You may though view trying to determine human agency as trying to open some sort of Pandoras box. If decisions made by human agency are to be able to be determined on the individual level as in twin studies it would probably have to include more far more information than we are used to measure to make predictions in behavioral science. The interpretation of the missing unknown factor in the twin studies may instead be the identification of human agency. The twins are sort to say by their knowledge of each other determined to not be determined but instead have an amplified agency compared to an identical environment not knowing about each other.

  • @thecosmicintelligence2761
    @thecosmicintelligence2761 11 месяцев назад +6

    5 senses is incapable of knowing something wich is not physical in nature so meditation is way to go beyond or distance from process of mind and body its simple but difficult for person who is identified with mind and body

    • @iminalert9289
      @iminalert9289 11 месяцев назад

      Also blind money

    • @RAJABABU-mc8rm
      @RAJABABU-mc8rm 10 месяцев назад

      Without mind how do you meditate?

    • @rvind000
      @rvind000 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@RAJABABU-mc8rm Intellect becomes equanimous, i.e. Samadhi.

    • @thecosmicintelligence2761
      @thecosmicintelligence2761 9 месяцев назад

      @@RAJABABU-mc8rm meditate means doing nothing with our mind or body, mind doesn't exist in reality it is our making

    • @bokchoiman
      @bokchoiman 7 месяцев назад

      How do you go beyond the physical if you're using physical processes to get there i.e. the brain (which is a physical system)

  • @puewang
    @puewang 11 месяцев назад +3

    we will never get it until our own time comes.
    its not what it is. simple.

  • @ÆßV
    @ÆßV 6 месяцев назад +4

    *Ancient Indian-Hindu culture has given many things from Spirituality to Astronomy to Mathematics to Surgery etc.* Seeing Hinduism with a western template and Abrahamic lens is the reason for many of the misunderstanding.

  • @Pricemalachi
    @Pricemalachi 11 месяцев назад +2

    Guru if no one wants to invest in their minds and hearts that's their problem that's their issues, not ours . POWER is when you know the truth of the Unniverse it cannt be explained 1 billion times on professional platforms it's for the educational system to understand one's mind and hearts true intentions not pre planning and lying and being desperate it takes time people soo listen and understand the Motivational Speakers plzz❤😊

  • @rathodmukendra8924
    @rathodmukendra8924 10 месяцев назад +3

    World's biggest scientist like Einstein, Erwin Schrödinger,
    Werner Heisenberg,
    Niels Bohr,Carl Sagan,
    NikolaTesla,
    Robert Oppenheimer,
    Are appreciated "Bhagavad gita "
    Why no one talking about this?
    Atleast we should agree those scientist are little bit not more little bit advance in knowledge
    Then us😅.
    So why we don't debating on Bhagavad gita for bring back it's original purpose?
    🙏

    • @sashmeetaprasad
      @sashmeetaprasad 5 месяцев назад

      😂 you know the West wants to claim everything.

  • @SharkyBG
    @SharkyBG 6 месяцев назад +1

    Don't you dare arguing with Sadhguru. 😂 I love the lightbulb example! So funny and true... 🤗 Science is amazing and because of science we know that we don't know everything.

  • @neosmith7272
    @neosmith7272 11 месяцев назад +6

    one observation, sadhugru wears Red color dress whenever this type of conversation happens, remember NALSAR University of Law conversation !

    • @sushant7530
      @sushant7530 11 месяцев назад +1

      Then u have no observation..

    • @chaosbreaker8737
      @chaosbreaker8737 11 месяцев назад

      Truee

    • @YogaToSamadhi
      @YogaToSamadhi 11 месяцев назад +3

      Red keeps you grounded. Is the first chakra color.

  • @filipes.5354
    @filipes.5354 8 месяцев назад +1

    what a great debate! loved bothed speakers. I kind of leap to Saguru as I've changed slowly my life through "real" Yoga, and have been unblocking things I never thought even existed.

  • @arnavharer1426
    @arnavharer1426 11 месяцев назад +2

    I think that the title of video is wrong as the scientist did not disprove anything or disagree that meditation is wrong and sadguru also did not proved anything. Both perspectives of scientist and sadguru are all correct from there view and we can surely learn something new from both of them.
    Indeed both are great people thinking on every way and aspect. So please do not keep such title and distinguish who one is right

  • @haengbogperson.4696
    @haengbogperson.4696 9 месяцев назад +1

    He has his own perceptions , that is what we learn that we should expand and be open to all what comes in , whether it's about religion or weather it's knowledge.

  • @raidk11
    @raidk11 4 месяца назад +1

    Honorable Sadguru is the highest Messanger of Indian spiritualism after OSHO .
    The Logical abilities are next level... no one in world can match Indian Enlightened Gurus.❤

    • @enigma533
      @enigma533 2 месяца назад

      😂oshoa?

    • @raidk11
      @raidk11 2 месяца назад

      @ muh me khuni babasiir h ??

  • @Djdillw
    @Djdillw 8 месяцев назад +3

    Science should not conclude "what we do not know doesn't exist " Its a great line everyone should look at it. 🙏

    • @Yash-972
      @Yash-972 7 месяцев назад

      “Yes but nor should we make up stuff for which we have no reason to believe it exists!”
      I think you should keep this in mind as well

    • @Djdillw
      @Djdillw 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Yash-972 even sadhguru doesn't exist for many people in the world that doesn't mean he is not alive

    • @Yash-972
      @Yash-972 7 месяцев назад

      @@Djdillw I am pretty sure that's not what he meant when he said that.
      Yes what you said is true but the problem is when people start making things up for things they don't know if it exists.
      Like let's instead of saying we are not sure how this universe came into existence, they say oh well god created this universe, well that's stupid and that's what the scientist was trying to say, people here assume god exists to bring meaning to things they don't understand.
      There is no empirical way to measure something like God, and science doesn't bothers with the fact if it's exists or not because it works on empirical evidence not on stories or assumptions.

    • @sashmeetaprasad
      @sashmeetaprasad 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@Yash-972 you mean the west constantly making fools of themselves?

    • @koko-x6t5c
      @koko-x6t5c Месяц назад

      @@Djdillw gurus shud not conclude what we do not know does exist

  • @wadeodonoghue1887
    @wadeodonoghue1887 7 месяцев назад

    I think Existence is blessed in that both these children of the cosmos pitched to tell their two sides of the story, keeping each other honest, carving at the block of wood we call reality...
    I wonder what figure will be revealed when the carving is done. And Whom does the carving all considered.

  • @PankajSingh-dc2qp
    @PankajSingh-dc2qp 11 месяцев назад +3

    They don't have two mics

    • @yinyang2385
      @yinyang2385 11 месяцев назад +2

      I think it was intentional. They didn't want them talking over each other and interrupting.

  • @ArunNanda-22
    @ArunNanda-22 12 дней назад +1

    Sadhguru 🔥🚩

  • @sudhirsaleakanomad2051
    @sudhirsaleakanomad2051 11 месяцев назад +13

    love you Sadguru :) just by listening to your words of wisdom, one starts getting clarity and confidence in life, I am one among them.

  • @AllIn1Studio
    @AllIn1Studio 10 месяцев назад +2

    @Ready4Adventure : Please can you give me any info re: the MUSIC at the very END of this great video. I love the vibe!! Name? Title? Artist? Band? Link? THANK YOU 🙏

  • @birenpalani
    @birenpalani 11 месяцев назад +11

    Life is beautiful and really does not need money to measure our happiness.

  • @hemanth26
    @hemanth26 14 дней назад

    One person is master of convoluted sentences, and he knows that even if the opponent can not be fooled, the majority will clap for him!

  • @sreeharshagarimella1593
    @sreeharshagarimella1593 11 месяцев назад +14

    "I am not this body", once any human gets this understanding is where a completely new gate to understanding the world opens.
    Its mych more deep but u cannot explain in a comment

  • @anirudhshirangi5589
    @anirudhshirangi5589 5 дней назад

    one thing from my side sadhguru that people dont just tack nagetive things of past and present but also positive things too like me waiting to eat my cold ice cream and also the last memory that i have of eating it in past so accourding to beaing pleasent it means that i need to stop tacking things in and feeling them and consentrate on the thing which is in frent of me and so on .........sorry if some thing is wrong in it

  • @Pricemalachi
    @Pricemalachi 11 месяцев назад +3

    My Family is my Life ❤ 🌎 ✌️

  • @s-vj9
    @s-vj9 6 месяцев назад

    Good discussion, best thing is to be more agnostic than a believer or a disbeliver of something we don't know.

  • @HeavensLifesOnEarth
    @HeavensLifesOnEarth 10 месяцев назад +3

    Scientist talks too much on the basics from the books. The mad scientist does not have any experience on Meditations at all...just he want to acknowledge that he is more educated then Sadhguru for sure...if not he will not be talking like this...

    • @maskedsaiyan9835
      @maskedsaiyan9835 8 месяцев назад

      I don't think he said anything bad, He seems like a humble person

    • @sashmeetaprasad
      @sashmeetaprasad 5 месяцев назад

      That's largely the problem with 'Westerners'. But this guy is OK and trying to show his understanding.

  • @__deadpool3178
    @__deadpool3178 2 месяца назад

    They both don't need a translator but a digital to analog converter to communicate.

  • @LalitChunni-xo5mc
    @LalitChunni-xo5mc 11 месяцев назад +3

    How Does we can explain as the scientist he can explain what Ramanujan that mathematician

  • @georgewashington4530
    @georgewashington4530 10 месяцев назад +2

    What about Remote Viewing?? Isn’t it a true case of ESP ? The CIA ALREADY CONFIRMED THE REALITY OF REMOTE VIEWING TO REALLY EXIST!!😮😮😮

    • @crazyham
      @crazyham 10 месяцев назад

      I was thinking exactly the same thing 🙏

    • @williambahrenfuss4961
      @williambahrenfuss4961 9 месяцев назад +1

      Now the scientist needs to debate with the cia 😆

    • @williambahrenfuss4961
      @williambahrenfuss4961 9 месяцев назад +1

      Now the scientist needs to debate the CIA 😆 😅 ... NEXT ...LOL 😂

  • @arka6846
    @arka6846 11 месяцев назад +7

    Was the mic resting on the desk right to the scientist (left from the viewer) not used throughout the conversation?
    Was Sadguru's mic being shared throughout the conversation?
    If so, unfortunately scientist's presence of mind happens to be a lot less than I thought. Unless there was some sort of mishap on the mic.

  • @jeniesewills8856
    @jeniesewills8856 5 месяцев назад

    Sadghuru's perspective is holistic & realistically it is because of teachings like Sadghuru's (spiritual) that the stats the scientist quote are effected.

    • @jeniesewills8856
      @jeniesewills8856 5 месяцев назад

      Science exists because of creation, so it comes from it & so if we begin to understand our place in the order of things that we will, only then become better all round not on 1 particular matter. Generally Life will be better

  • @lankabhumi1114
    @lankabhumi1114 11 месяцев назад +2

    A good dialogue, think it’ll make me think differently now. Appreciated both views, thank you.
    Findland ranked as the happiest country also has above average suicide rate in Europe! Japan has problems with the rate as well. What does this mean - money can’t buy everything.
    About consciousness, it’s momentary even while we live. We need to master it to change the way we want.

  • @nandapai8451
    @nandapai8451 11 месяцев назад +1

    Negating everything is dangerous.we have to examine alein theories .at this level also we don't know how mind works.

  • @veekj3206
    @veekj3206 11 месяцев назад +30

    What Science cannot explain, Spirituality comes to its rescue to show the way...Spirituality is a "Science" in itself..Hinduism...

    • @himquantum
      @himquantum 11 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂

    • @Channel06588
      @Channel06588 9 месяцев назад +4

      When science cannot explain some things ,sprituality and religion have good market. Sprituality doesn't explained anything correctly.

    • @user-tu9ox4hj9g
      @user-tu9ox4hj9g 8 месяцев назад +2

      What science cannot explain today it will explain it tomorrow. Spirituality and religion is a distraction from progress by poets and criminal prophets who have no experience in engineering and software which is the true spiritual realm. .

    • @swatimukherjee8543
      @swatimukherjee8543 7 месяцев назад

      Learn science.Realize spirituality while learning

    • @ayenpatel3738
      @ayenpatel3738 7 месяцев назад

      what nonsense

  • @anandalalyapaabeywardhana8979
    @anandalalyapaabeywardhana8979 9 месяцев назад +1

    Yes, we have to agree with the scientists. The Mind is a mechanism that you can't catch. Things happening in the mind is a process of “no time taken” is called “Akalika”(අකාලික in Sinhala) according to the teachings of Buddha. You can’t manage or alter your thoughts. Every thought you feel only after that process is over. That is what lord Buddha said. You can only accept them & calm down your emotions. You can’t stop your emotions. Inside all the humans this happens. If you can’t control your thoughts you can’t meditate. No one can do meditation. Even a yogi. The Same thing happens inside him.

  • @maglanchetty3053
    @maglanchetty3053 10 месяцев назад +3

    Sadhguru is tops 😊

  • @wadeodonoghue1887
    @wadeodonoghue1887 7 месяцев назад +2

    32:45 Dirt is dead soil, Imagine the work of the first plants that had a whole planet of dirt to soil with their lives.

  • @ibraheemtalash5094
    @ibraheemtalash5094 11 месяцев назад +3

    The difference between dharna samadhi sonya that sadhguru mentioned at 9:14 ?

    • @samzfisher
      @samzfisher 11 месяцев назад +2

      Types of meditation. Most people think meditation only one type. But samadhi is good enough.

    • @daasdasdasdasd-j5w
      @daasdasdasdasd-j5w 11 месяцев назад

      Getting to Dharana, Dhyana, and Samadhi with anything object is the goal

  • @crazyham
    @crazyham 10 месяцев назад

    In my View,
    anything that we describe as Random
    simply means that we do not currently understand it.
    In our universe
    there is no such thing as random.
    Only things that occur that we cannot explain the reasons behind them.

  • @veekj3206
    @veekj3206 11 месяцев назад +30

    Spirituality wins it....❤❤❤

    • @knallbertkrach9263
      @knallbertkrach9263 11 месяцев назад +2

      always bur sadguru is not a spiritual person
      he says he would not listen to god cause he knaws it better he says his "enlightment" came out of nothing... he`s a joke
      real spiritual leaders donn`t drive mercedes benz... the list goes on just look how his wife died, and ask yourself why he burned her before someone else came...
      live a good life but don`t follow a false leader you came to earth to make your own expirience otherwise your soul does not grow
      love and peace

    • @stephenlamley541
      @stephenlamley541 11 месяцев назад +2

      Not everything is a battle.

    • @ManthanPureLife
      @ManthanPureLife 11 месяцев назад +2

      Theres no sprituality without science

    • @abhishekabhi6870
      @abhishekabhi6870 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@knallbertkrach9263do u even know what spiritualty is? Don't say some bullshit without knowledge about it

    • @MatchStickMad
      @MatchStickMad 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@knallbertkrach9263 what you say doesn't sound Spiritual.

  • @freecheese4143
    @freecheese4143 12 дней назад

    Is is explainable.
    And it DOES lead to brain activity of specific very badic aread of tje brain.
    Ask me how.

  • @RAVI171175
    @RAVI171175 10 месяцев назад +4

    It's clear that this scientist will not believe Sadhguru as scientist needs physical facts/proofs from their research works but as we all know, Sadhguru is above scientific levels. Sadhguru is very down to earth yet a very humble & full of knowledge, things that scientific will never come to understand. But, overall, a very good bebate. But life itself is a miracle & also our journey on this blue planet is nothing but an illusion.

  • @jeanetteberwick2434
    @jeanetteberwick2434 11 месяцев назад +1

    This man's consciousness is of the scale thankyou for posting 📫

  • @toddstevens8506
    @toddstevens8506 10 месяцев назад +3

    Clearly Professor Pinker's right hemisphere has atrophied too much to be writing about enlightenment. Once again I'm impressed by Sadhguru.

    • @truepeacefromviolence9581
      @truepeacefromviolence9581 8 месяцев назад

      What you experience is the byproduct of brain activity which can be mesuared . If you feel angry , sad , calm , anxious these are because of chemical reaction which can be measured . We still have long way to go but its not immeasurable

  • @ksias1655
    @ksias1655 7 месяцев назад

    Everything can be explained by chemical, subatomic, quark actions, until you encounter the void. It is similar with thoughts, feelings, perhaps most are conditioned by chemical or electromagnetic impulses. Meditation is an area that crosses this void. You can desire it, but you will not be allowed in. It does not matter whether you are a priest, a yogi, or a tulip seller. Maybe it is important how much you can bear? Or how much space in your world for truth. What if you could ask just one question?

  • @BrockLanders
    @BrockLanders 11 месяцев назад +31

    As long as you remain a materialist like Pinker, your understanding of reality will always be limited.

    • @wildhunter2323
      @wildhunter2323 11 месяцев назад +4

      reality is materialistic right ? . lol

    • @DFlint
      @DFlint 11 месяцев назад +1

      ⁠@@wildhunter2323The fact that spirituality exists proves there is more to this reality than physical

    • @wildhunter2323
      @wildhunter2323 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@DFlint who proved spiritually's existence

    • @AashishPandey-ls1rc
      @AashishPandey-ls1rc 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@DFlint yeah spiritualilty exists up in yo butt.... thats why only you know it exists, right??.

    • @NamelessAwarenessG
      @NamelessAwarenessG 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@AashishPandey-ls1rc And what makes you sure that reality is materilistic? The deepest cause for this is probably what your society taught you to be true and now you think "ItS AlL ThErE Is"

  • @arjunraju5708
    @arjunraju5708 Месяц назад

    I think this was a very balanced debate with both participants making very good points. I loved it.

  • @nullvoid12
    @nullvoid12 6 месяцев назад +3

    I can see that, with the presence of Sadhguru even the top researchers in their respective fields feels dogmatic and sometimes offended.

    • @lalitnayak1763
      @lalitnayak1763 5 месяцев назад

      And I can see this statement is born out of lopsided beliefs.

  • @pinebarrenpatriot8289
    @pinebarrenpatriot8289 4 месяца назад

    Niether are really debating the same issue such as the ESP segment as much as how each man approaches it.

  • @JT-ld5kh
    @JT-ld5kh 11 месяцев назад +3

    Hey, Willem Dafoes half brother is pretty smart!

  • @lavachandkeshava2779
    @lavachandkeshava2779 11 месяцев назад +1

    There are more unknown things than known things. That is human life.One has to agree with this. Otherwise one is not human being because we humans are not creators. We humans are born in the world “ Only “ to experience what ever is available. We humans are all leading “ Physical aspect of life. No person in the world can define everything and know everything. Human being living is “ Mystery “. As Sadguru said English language is not specific. The only specific is “Samskritam. Rather than defining life we all humans are living “ what life is meant for us “. This is the maximum intelligence of humans because we are not creators or creation of life. This is the human being limitations, We all live because of Micro Organisms and die because of Micro Organisms.
    This is the best way to describe what human beings are.

  • @ayushmanbhalla8737
    @ayushmanbhalla8737 11 месяцев назад +54

    don't mess with sadhguru.... he's on a different level of consciousness !

    • @jameswaterhouse-brown6646
      @jameswaterhouse-brown6646 11 месяцев назад

      No he’s not.
      He’s a charlatan getting rich off spirituality.
      He is speaking to his audience of idiots.

    • @iminalert9289
      @iminalert9289 11 месяцев назад +7

      yeah super narcissistic it seems

    • @rvind000
      @rvind000 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@iminalert9289 No, he is just speaking from his perception of reality. You can see only the scientist was making faces cuz he is too identified with the limited data that he has.

    • @iminalert9289
      @iminalert9289 10 месяцев назад

      @@rvind000 That is true . But can you tell me the difference between the perception of the reality of a delusional person and a normal one ? Or one who just wanna make fool of people for no reason except to have power which someone now has plenty .

    • @sca8217
      @sca8217 7 месяцев назад +1

      Level of consciousness called Snake Oil

  • @Pricemalachi
    @Pricemalachi 11 месяцев назад +1

    We Are peaking we got no time to Play Around With Emotions Rather Get Engineered First before Speaking On professional Platforms
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    AS WELL AS EVERY INDIVIDUAL WHO VIEWS THIS COMMENT
    NEVER let Your mastermind Get to You When Being Brave
    My Guru Is on Fire
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  • @valerie6389
    @valerie6389 7 месяцев назад +4

    This Fake guru makes everyone laugh but now the Mother Earth 🌍🌳is the responsability and awareness of everyone if we continue to use and consume plastic ... On our daily basis . Human beings are very beautiful if we are humble towards Mother Earth 🌍 daily and respectful

  • @magpie9989
    @magpie9989 5 месяцев назад +1

    Scientists should not be skeptical about anything. They should be open to experiences and not beliefs. If scientists were to meditate, their perception would be completely different. Science and spirituality are one in the same. It should not be divided.