FINAL FANTASY III - Series Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
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hello everyone! this is the third video in a series in which i will be going through every main series Final Fantasy game (and some others too probably) in order to give them a wee bit of in-depth analysis, and figure out what makes each individual FF game tick. i'll be focusing on various things like development history, gameplay analysis, and musical analysis, but i'll also be drawing from outside sources like linguistics and mythology to try and understand as much as possible why these games are the way they are, and why people love them so much.
this video is split up into discrete chapters, so there's timestamps below for your convenience:
Introduction: 0:00
Background and version differences: 0:49
Story and character analysis -
Story setup and character details: 4:05
Introductory towns and biblical influence: 11:26
Desch and omitted features: 15:10
Shinto and the Living Woods: 16:47
Flooded by ambiguity: 19:24
Humanising Xande: 23:55
Vagueness, urgency, and superficiality: 28:14
Combat and the Job system -
Basics of the combat system: 35:48
Introduction to the Job system: 38:48
The Job adjustment phase and magic issues: 41:16
Reactivity and arbitrariness in the Job system: 44:02
Why I still love the Job system: 48:02
Mythological, historical, and societal influences -
Onion Knight origins: 50:18
Moogle origins: 54:22
Masamune + Muramasa origins: 57:32
Summon origins: 1:00:37
Shiva: 1:02:01
Ramuh: 1:04:43
Ifrit: 1:06:00
Titan: 1:07:14
Odin: 1:08:22
Leviathan: 1:11:51
Bahamut: 1:12:39
Music -
Music section introduction: 1:14:02
Battles, fanfares, and repetition: 1:14:42
Crystal Room: 1:16:36
Eternal Wind: 1:17:52
Chocobos!: 1:19:20
Priestess Aria: 1:19:51
Last Battle -3-: 1:21:42
Conclusion + thanks: 1:22:55
here are links to the things i talk about there being links for in the video:
brief Hinduism discussion on the Hades video:
• The Mythology Behind H...
slight expansion on Titan info in the Hades video: • The Mythology Behind H...
interview with Takashi Tokita about FFIV:
eu.finalfantasy.com/topics/296
interview with Hironobu Sakagachi about FFVI:
www.onemillionpower.com/25-yea...
interview with Hiromichi Tanaka about FFIII:
eu.finalfantasy.com/topics/171
interview with Koichi Ishii about FFIII:
eu.finalfantasy.com/topics/176
i think that's it? if you're here looking for something else i said would be here, and it isn't, please leave a comment and let me know so i can sort it out for you.
all the footage in the game was captured by me, apart from the Japanese NES version of FFIII in the Moogle section, which was from here:
• #23【実況】目には目を！獣には獣を！！FC...
i'd like to say a huge thanks to my best pal Joe, without whom this channel would be much worse off. Joe has done all the art for my channel from its inception, from the old logo to the new black mage logo, the old intro and all the outros, and most recently the incredible art for my Patreon tiers! he is an immensely talented artist and an absolute legend so check him out:
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i think that's it! thanks everyone. hope you enjoy the video :)
- alastair x
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This will be a fun watch for when waiting through Endwalker queues
that's what it's for :D
I have to say, as a fan of FFIII, who was first introduced to the series by FFIII DS and still see it as one of if not my favorite, I am more than happy to see a video like this putting love and care into it's legacy.
Despite it being one of the entries that's less talked about in the series, it's one of favorites alongside FFV. The Class system is just so fun to play around with.
Notice how coincidently FFIII and V were for a long time the 2 most obscure/most ignore games in the franchise.
I loved how the video was filled with T-posing models asserting domjnance over the analisys haha great video! I have been waiting for this!!
Man i REALLY love ff3, it was so great and i often replay it yearly. The Job system is just awesome and i wish this game got more love.
50:24 I always took the onion knights as in like a parallel to peeling an onion to reveal its inner layers. Like that's kinda similar to how the job progresses from being super weak to the strongest one in the game bc you had "peel" through the weaker stages of the job to reveal its inner strength and true potential
Your videos are seriously things I absolutely look forward to. I played Final Fantasy XV when it first came out because it was a shiny, new JRPG for next-gen consoles at the time, but I never delved further in the series after that. These analysis videos are just so well written and engaging, and they have made me totally obsessed with the franchise now. Another comment mentioned how they love how you point out things we all take for granted and I could not have said it better myself. You really deserve more subs. These videos are works of art.
No it's fine, I'll just cry at work during the music section because of all the memories from the tunes.
Absolutely lovely video and I'm really happy I found this channel. Looking forward to everything else you create.
You deserve so many more subs. Not even that big a fan of the Final Fantasy series but your vids are just so easy and nice to watch. Can't wait to watch this one later :)
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These videos are just getting better and better. I especially love how you dived into the inspirations for summons and other things for the latter half. These are making me want to play Final Fantasy and I'm kind of using these videos to see which I should start with, and it's a great ride I'm on while I scout out. The wait for these videos is well worth it, keep up the amazing work.
Speaking of SMT, I just got into it a few months ago and my God, what an amazing series. I love all of the biblical/religious themes in it and I'm sure you do too.
I have a feeling that Shiva's attack, Diamond Dust, *might* be inspired by Cygnus Hyoga from Saint Seiya, which would have very much still have been popular in Japan at the time
Four's ending helped me through my dark night of the soul. Three's satisfied me on an emotional level that I do not think I can describe but I can still recall the sensation it gave me. Fun times.
I think the themes of mortality and hope/hopelessness with Xande and the cloud of darkness deserves a bit more respect.
I think there's a certain charm to old JRPG stories. I get why more complex stories are way more popular but I don't think anything that evolved can really capture the sheer sensation of just killing a really evil dragon or saving the world from a really evil time traveler.
I seriously appreciate you and your "voice" in covering this series, especially giving every entry a proper look at. I cannot WAIT for FFV because it's my absolute favorite
Can't wait for you to get to IV and V! I feel like the series only starts to get talked about a lot with VI (deservedly so) but there's a lot of greatness even in IV.
Woohoo that was really interesting. I didn’t expect you to find a totally different answer to the question of the onion knight name!
yeah! i thought i'd just about figured it out when i asked you, but then it all went up in flames haha
Thanks!! It's been a while since the last FF analysis!
I love the way you analized the series so far and talk about the origin of everything. Today I'm finishing ff iv and then will start watching the analysis of that game, honestly I can't wait to see what you have to say about that one (5 hours!).
I liked how you went into background into the names of the different characters and monsters, and reviewed the differences between different music tracks, can't wait for you to describe all the motifs in ff 6
Stoked for more from this series. Always a treat when you post a new video!
Was not expecting the digicrest reference and it sent me lol, keep it up!
Love to see a deep dive on Final Fantasy 3. It's my favorite in the series and I'm glad to see it get some more recognition.
That was an amazing watch
I love how you try to find the meaning behind things that we've just accepted without really thinking about it. The onion knight part legitimately made me laugh
I've never been able to dive into the old NES FF myself (because honestly I find them pretty boring to play nowadays) but this is the perfect substitute
Anyway, your videos are always a treat, looking forward to more!
Great video!! So glad you're still making these.
I absolutely love these videos man keep up the great work. Im a huge fan of documentary types of videos and yours are absolutely awesome. I've listened the FF 1 and 2 videos multiple times as background noise while I'm playing Minecraft or something.
Keep it on !!! Love the series, I am just now playing ff4, I hope I'll finish it before the next video! lmao I'll end up being alligned with your videos in playing the old ff games!
This was my first Final Fantasy game I ever played, and while it's far from my favorite I still have fond memories of unlocking new jobs and playing around with them. Looking forward to watching this one!
Very good friend, you keep outdoing yourself with every video.
you are too kind, love you lots
The amount of work you put into this is amazing!! I had to google what the names you had for your characters ment. All that flies over my head but I enjoy names that have a "special meaning". 2 thumbs up!!
Hi. I just joined the patreon. Happy to have found your channel! I watch a lot of long-form video essays, and I haven't seen any good ones on the Final Fantasy series yet, so your series was the perfect thing to get me back into the games! Can't wait for iv!
This video is honestly one of those RUclips gems one would really like to portrait as a family heirloom.
Great work on this!
Super excited for episode 3! I hardly name a handful of content creators who utilize the narrow overlap between concise and detailed. The way you enjoy games translates so well to videos. I love your discussion of music, story, and behind-the-scenes documentation, while only discussing gameplay mainly as a proxy to these elements. After all, the best way to understand gameplay is to experience it, not have it described (a fact not realized by the vast majority of FFII videos).
Just felt like saying how awesome your vids are. Thanks!
Hi Ludiscere! I love Final Fantasy III and I’m so happy to see this good work for it! I’m working on something similar but a lot more in-depth for this game. I hope you don't mind me crediting you as a source for parts cause this is some good stuff!
oh go for it! that's no problem at all
@@Ludiscere Thank you so much!
Nice job on the music section, very good way to approach it
Man your videos are really some of the best out there on this website. I know it must be so much work, but I hope you continue putting out bangers. Can't wait for FF4 analysis!
thanks mate, that means a lot! new video out within a few weeks and then we're onto FF4 :)
I love you're in-depth take on these games makes me enjoy playing the pixel remasters more.
I watched your videos on FF1 and FF2 in hype of the pixel remasters, and later I was pretty hyped for this video after beating the FF3 pixel remaster! Great work! These seriously deserve way more views!
The part where you covered the iconic summons was pretty sweet.
Got to see this live. Pretty good video!
I have always enjoyed III, it's fun AND it contains so many of the seeds of later games. Thank you so much for this excellent analysis - why have I only just discovered you?? Great job! (sic). Subscribed!
Finished watching through it and this was a nice analysis video! I especially liked the etymology sections, learning about kennings was really neat. I almost wanna play this game again but maybe I'll try 1 or 2 first since I haven't played either of those yet.
So this is the first video of yours I've seen, and given your presentation, the passion you exhibit, and the subject matter... you've definitely got a new subscriber out of me!
I really enjoy your videos. Final Fantasy III was the first FF game I played, so it'll always have a special place in my heart.
I learned so much in this video. I've never played any of the early Final Fantasy games, but I really enjoy hearing summaries of them.
Honestly, my favorite bits are the ones where you try to find the origins of things, the onion knight one is fascinating, even if incorrect. Reading into things is what analysis is made to do, and I am here for it!
During most of the video I realized just how much I want to pick "Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light" back up. It was the first Final Fantasy game I ever played, and oh boy, I know that sounds weird. Loved it though, and learning about FFIII shows me where all the things I really enjoyed came from. Thank you for your hard work, this video is spectacular.
A fun note, Final Fantasy Wiki speculates about the origin of the Onion Knight name, theorizing that it's inspired by "[a] Japanese metaphoric idiom of poverty, aptly named the 'Onion Life', 'peeling away one layer at a time and crying all the way'." I do think that fits, considering the job's role in the original 2D version of the game, but the developers' answer is kinda objectively the correct answer to the question, haha
You couldn't have dropped this on a better day, with the maintenance for Endwalker early access :D Diving right into it, thank you for always taking the time to make top quality content for us!
haha, i was relieved to get this out so that i could enjoy endwalker stress-free! thanks for watching, i really appreciate it :)
This series is great gets better every video and gives solid perspective on a game I usually never delved too deep into or played very often will change that soon
As a child, I always junctioned Shiva to Squall in FF8. Btw, I love your explanations of the origins behind elements found in Final Fantasy games.
As a non FF fan, these videos are fantastic. The early games in particular always seemed like relics of the past to me, but these vids have given me a newfound appreciation for them and their place in gaming culture. Honestly might have turned me into a FF fan lol
1:05:10 Oh also, I'm sure other commentors have mentioned this, but Ramuh name might be based more on Ra's later incarnation, that being Amun-Ra. They were a merging between the creator god Amun and Ra. Amun-Ra backwards is "Ra-Amun", which sounds very similar to "Ramuh". The influence might even go beyond the name. Most notably, the Ancient Greeks interpreted Amun-Ra as the Egyptian version of Zeus. which may be why Ramuh is a lighting god in FF. Like you said tho, its hard to be sure
Regardless, great vid.
Little info on Ramuh: He could be, design-wise at least, based on Lamuh. Ramuh is often translated as 'Lamú' in Spanish versions of Final Fantasy games and in Kingdom Hearts names that reference the summon.
The theme of finding any spark of hope to have any strength to keep going in life might have come from the fact that during the last developmental stages of FF3, Hironobu Sakaguchi (writer) shockingly lost his supportive & loving mother when she burned alive in a sudden blaze that also took his childhood home 😔 this experience may well have flavored other story beats in FF4, FF7, and more
I know it goes without saying that traumatic events often stay with us for years/decades and flavor how we see things sometimes
Important question: Why does the boss theme in this game slap so hard?
Uematsu pushed the NES to the brink of its capabilities with the soundtrack on this one.
Does it? I think it’s the weakest of the first 3 games
Right? AND the main battle theme! Hell the entire soundtrack is a hidden gem unto itself.
@@chcknpie04Is that a joke referencing how the first two games didn't originally have boss themes so technically first place is also last?
This series has the potential to become one of the best on RUclips. The ability to reference concrete points from the analysis of previous games without having to refer to a different content creator enables us to view past each game individually, which makes your videos truly stand out.
That being said, you've got a monumental task in front of you. I pray that you'll have the strength, ability and support that you need to complete it.
I love these videos!! I can't wait till you release more!!
Thank you SO MUCH for giving a heads up that I needed to pay attention to the music part and do some reading. A lesser video essayist would have just launched into a weird quiet period where I'd think they just forgot to record voice over! 😅
Great stuff. Looking forwards to the FFIV video :D
Love the video, I was sadly listening to it like a podcast😆
FF3 for the Nintendo DS was one of the first Final Fantasy games I ever played as a kid, and even now I have a pretty strong soft spot for the game. I usually find my interest fizzling a bit as I approach the endgame, but until then the job system, combat, and music are enough to really carry you along the adventure, or at least they were for me. Giving the chibi characters each their own unique outfit for every job was also a wonderful decision that adds so much visual variety and flavor to the game, and I still find it charming. Next time I play I definitely want to try the pixel remake, though.
Another absolute banger of a video. I am kicking myself for not diving into your channel sooner.
Yes! I needed something to nerd-out on!
I'm not a musical theory expert, but here's what I can tell you about Crystal Room and the Prelude.
Both of these songs use arpeggios, which means their chords are played one note at a time. The Prelude is made entirely of 4-note arpeggios which go up an octave each time they are played until they reach a high note, after which they go back down. Most of it consists of major and minor added second chords, which generally sound pretty when played in arpeggios.
The Crystal Room also uses the same 4-note ascending pattern, but it starts off with a diminished 7th chord, a very dissonant chord generally used in classical music to create tension and drama, and as you observed, it does not take the time to come back down before switching to another chord.
I was really looking forward to this one! So many things from this game remind me of FFIX, which is my favorite along with X :) These early games are super interesting to me because they show so much ambition (that would pay off a hundredfold as new instalments come out imo). And your videos are awesome! I can only imagine how much work goes into a video like this...Kudos to you!!
I love these analyses!
Your analysis of Cloud of Darkness battle theme is spot on. A proper fucking bop is correct. Probably my favorite of the classic era boss themes.
Fantastic video!
Unbelievable job!!
I remember getting this game when I was around 8 or 9 years old (my fourth year of school) when I was very sick. I played it religiously, alternating it with Pokémon on the DS, but it took me around a year to finish it (due to having no internet) but most of that was spent trying to figure out why the final boss was basically impossible lol. I love this game.
I'm not sure if this is an intended design choice but one of the things I like about this game is that it feels like every character is an archetype, rather than a realistic figure, and this paired with the narrative's vague ambiguity around feeding you it's big ideas that it pushes as central to the plot allows you to insert your own ideas into every character and story beat. There were a lot of things I spent time thinking were parts of the plot only to learn I had made them up as a kid which is funny.
I really like these FF videos. Subbed, liked and commented. More!
About Titan being tied to the earth element; one of Titan’s signature attacks is called “Gaia’s Wrath” and Gaia in Greek myth is one of the major Titans and Gaia also basically means earth
Seeing how long your analyses of the NES titles are....I am expecting your FF IV video to possibly hit the 2 hr mark! These are all great and I patiently await the next video no matter how long it takes. Besides, I'll be grinding in FF XI & XIV for the foreseeable future and the time in-between your videos will fly by xD
Hello Person from the Past, the Video ist over 5 Hours long and this Fact alone blew my Mind!
Western Dragons were originaly also Serpentine
The words Dragon and Drake even come from the Greek word Drákōn, which means "big snake"
yeah of course! almost every mention of a 'dragon' in ancient myth just refers to a big old magic snake. maybe wasn't clear enough but what i meant was that almost everyone in the west today, if asked to picture a dragon, would first think of a winged lizard type! the winged idea has been around for at least 800 or so years i think, i want to say that there's george and the dragon stuff from the 13th/14th century or so (although i haven't checked for this comment) where there are tapestries/illustrations that lean a bit more towards the more modern interpretation. it's really cool seeing how it changed over time
@@Ludiscere
Yeah the modern part flew over my head
My favorite FF game ever, thanks for your hard and dedicated work
Final Fantasy XIV uses the idea of warriors of light vs darkness and balance in one of the expansions, and they elaborate on it, and it’s really cool. At least it inspired some greater things later!
This is literally my favorite final fantasy and the entire reason I love class and job systems in video games.
I also looked into why they were called the Onion Knight when I first played the game. Although I eventually found the interviews I read a handful of clever comments which tied it to an exagerrated version of a Carl Sandberg quote: "Life is like an onion. You peel away one layer at a time and cry the whole time you do it!"
I finish watching all the Final Fantasy reviews, they were really good and made me wanna try the games. Furthermore, you seem quite knowledgeable when comes to mythology, languages, literature etc. Really liked when you explored those topics, keep the good work.
Now for anyone reading this, if you don't want to waste hours of your life downloading emulaters and finding the games, it was released a steam version with all the pixel games from I to VI.
Never felt so stupid in my life, I literally discovered this 5 mins after being able to finally run the Final Fantasy Origins...
the onion knight bit was funny and unsurprising after you spend enough time reading japanese developpers (or just game developpers in general) interviews.
We called it that because it was funny is so often the real reason.
It's always interesting to look back at games from the era when a lot of genre and mechanics were only just being defined and you had the first titles that actually got them right....90s gaming truly is such an interesting era for many genre and series
i'm only at 34min of the video but i gotta say FFIII is fun game. At first i didn't like it, didn't play more than 1h on my ds at the time but i bought the steam version some years later and gave it a chance. I loved how simple the plot was, it was a fantastic adventure, there was no convoluted script, no edgy characters with weather based names, it was a game for you to enjoy the journey as you progress. Beautiful.
I didn't play FFIII until much later. On the PSP with a port of the 3D version. It remains the only FF game I have not finished. You bring up some valid points, and I do excuse the faults for it being early in the series and made on the nes. But I also don't have rose coloured glasses on when thinking of it. I am thankful for it introducing ideas that were later developed far better.
Even though I admit FF4-6 were probably all better and improved on than 3 in some way I just have a huge soft spot for this game. Feels like the first FF to have a lot of the staples the series is known for. Idk, I just love this game.
I forgot so many key plot points of this game. I love seeing how FF14 references these old games and I didn't even notice.
Great episode :)
One cool addition that I don't have a direct source for; but the reason why the DS version is actually significantly more difficult than the original/pixel remasters is because of a technical limitation.
The reason for this is that the game engine they used (an older version of the same engine used for FF4) at the time couldn't handle rendering more than 3 enemy models + the party when in combat. As a result, they significantly increased the health and strength of most normal enemies to compensate for the lack of horde encounters the other final fantasy games have.
Also are you planning to cover the after years for FF4 as well? It's to my knowledge the only direct sequel to a 2D final fantasy game and it's quite interesting if you ask me.
been thinking of replaying 3 recently I got the DS remake when I was 7 in 2008. I'm 22 years old and still have the save file from my childhood. The world and characters of ff3 are amazing, the story is great, the music is incredible, and the class system is deep. Highly recommend giving this game a shot if you haven't before.
Final Fantasy 3 on the DS was my first, and for long time my Favorite Final Fantasy. I love de 3D remake, I love the fact that when you change your clothes in game, you can see the diference in the character, the fact that I can make a dual wield character from the get go. Simply amazing. Would love to see a 3D remake of FF6 just to see that type of resources in the game.
I remember getting this on the NES emulator NESticle back in 99-00, I was blown away that an NES game had the job system I thought started in FFT
I love IV a lot. It's the only Final Fantasy game that's held my attention all the way through
I never managed to defeat the Cloud of Darkness in the DS version
I squeaked when I learned the DS version of this game was the first time we got 3 in the US. It was my first experience with a mainline Final Fantasy game lol. I'd played 4 heroes of light before it, and watched one of the movies, but I was definitely excited to get this game as I was getting into the series. It remains very interesting to me.
1:18:20 oh shit. I was seeing a lot of FF14 Shadowbringers references for this game, but this just straight up a FF3 original track??? Damn
yeah, XIV goes really heavy with III references, especially in ARR and ShB. there are even more subtle ones like the Azys Lla stuff in 5.4 or 5.5 (i can't remember i think it's .4 though) being to do with Owen, a reference to the Tower of Owen in this game, and the Crystal Tower research group being NOAH, again a character from III. also, the CRP/LTW/WVR quests in ShB have you make a lute, and it plays the same song that Noah's Lute does in III. there's stuff to find everywhere!
The Masamune will never be more cool to me than it was in Chrono Trigger. To even obtain it is an ordeal including one of the creepier boss battles, it deals extra damage to the endlessly badass Magus, and it cuts a freaking mountain in half!
Amazing video.
I think the floating continent may be based on the concept of ukiyoe, or “floating world,” a concept (tied to the art genre) that the temporal life is a dream or fantasy.
The dark flood over the world in the ds remake may also be a reference to the biblical beginning, where darkness was over the face of the deep.
3 is one of my fav.. Was the first one i really played so many times back on the DS
Woooo hype!
Isn't the meaning of "Onion Knight" that they're a knight with many layers (like an onion)? Like that their default ability is to take on many layers (ie: the other jobs).
God priestess Aria’s theme hits ridiculously hard.
Moogles saying "Kupo" at the end of sentences are cute and makes sense to them.
It could have been worse if they said "Uguuu" all the time.
But I get it, at first it would always be strange to hear a Moogle say "Kupo" until you eventually get used to it.
I’ve enjoyed these videos and I think it’s been really interesting to listen to, more than a few times I’ve learned something new or reexamined something I’d previously just given little thought to. So I’ve really enjoyed these and I’m going to dive into your FF4 one now.
However- I do think you’ve somewhat missed a step here in that you’re restricting yourself only to the official versions, but then discussing the game from the perspective of a respective, which means you’re analysing the much later re-releases as if they’d come out with the original version.
There’s a good handful of things that were changed or adjusted and the commentary skips over them to talk as if they were presented as they would be later instead, which makes the retrospective look feel misaligned.
Thanks a lot for this video. I first played FF3 on emulators with a fan translation. It's a game that I regard fondly, though I wish I had enjoyed it more. Yes, the plot is a mess and I had a hard time understanding what was going on. Certain aspects like having to be small, the dividing enemies, and the hidden passageways were frustrating. And especially toward the end, the difficulty was frustratingly high. But it was the best soundtrack of the first three in my opinion, and one of the best soundtracks of any NES/Famicon game. And I really like the setting. The whole floating continent concept was really cool and inspired some of my later creative work. All three 8-bit game were highly ambitious for their time, and when you try to do too much, some ideas will be really good and some will not be executed quite right.
Just played the pixel remaster and I genuinely enjoyed it, also the ost is freaking banger 🔥
So this should be a good watch 🙏
i had no idea that they reprised part of eternal winds for the ffxiv shadowbringers track
I played ff3 after ff14 and it was very nice to see how much stuff they took from 3. Felt kinda nostalgic even tho i have played it the first time.
especially the crystal tower storyline