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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2023
- hi hello liestened to tiresias' song a bit too many times
so um. i did a quick little animatic JKGDFJKDFJHGF. it is 6am. good night. apologies for how messy it is haha
The song is by Jorgeherrans "Tiresias" - Epic Musical its on tiktok 
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To add a little bit of context, the musical is a lot different from the original epic but i did try to include some references haha. Specifically the cow frame. So I don't think this is in the musical haha, but in the poem they come across an island populated by the cattle of Helios. Tiresias instructs them that as long as they don't harm the cattle, they'll be able to get home safely. However they were stuck there for a month with depleting rations and eurylochus, second in command, makes the decision to eat the cattle regardless of the gods' commands, effectively dooming the crew to die.
It's possible that Thunder Bringer is to the sun cow but I'm not sure.
@@Mary_Studiosmaybe!
@@WolfyTheWitch He was mentioning it actually in the uhh live broadcast... thing. That's what the in Thunderbringer 'if hunger was far too great' line is
@@Mary_Studioswell it does make some sort of reference in the lyrics :
" Enlighten me, king of Ithaca,
*Since hunger was far to great*
Who is left to bear the wheight
Of the dead [etc.]"
Based on the order of the songs (you can just look it up) I'd definitely say Thunder Bringer is after the whole "Everyone (but Odysseus, cause he has a brain and mostly uses it) kills and eats the sacred cows (despite it being their ONE job not to)" incident.
Especially because Thunder Bringer takes place after the Underworld saga, but before Love in Paradise.
His eyes glowing like the gods is very cool, showing how he's a prophet and actually has the ability and isn't just lying
That and he's a blind prophet!
:D
@@WolfyTheWitchooooh interesting I didn't know that!
And he's blind and he's dead
@justaperson6922 Tiresias is a blind prophet and he is also dead. This is the part where Odysseus went down to the underworld (Nekya in Odyssey) and he has made a sacrifice and allowed the prophet drink the blood of the sacrificed animal so that he could quench his thirst and speak
I love the idea that "I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it's no longer you." Refers to how he has to change and abandon his mercy, empathy and mindset in order to make it home so in essence- Odysseus makes it home at the cost of himself, I only just sorta realised that as I was watching this. I never read The Odyssey so I don't know if its in the older works or if it's written for Epic but it's honestly so brilliant
Also in the odyssey at the end of the story before Odysseus meets the suitors Athena hides Odysseus’ real identity by transforming him into an old sailor or begger
@@fryingpamm6371 That part is *a lot* more significant when you think of it within the context of Greek culture and mythology. To the Greeks pride wasn't really a sin, and Greek Heroes were larger-than-life, boastful and bombastic, as deserved by their power and station.
For a Greek Hero like Odysseus, who had rubbed shoulders with kings and gods, to not only conceal his identity but disguise himself as a beggar, was nigh unheard of.
@@CteCrassus the impact of that in the Greek and hell even modern literature was crazy like have a hero that is closer to the people and can be more easily relate to was such novel concept but I think that’s why his story’s popularity lasted the the test of time because he was an example of not someone above man but the best of a man, true humility and felt so much more human I dont know though just my thoughts could be wrong in a few places
@@fryingpamm6371 It is true that Odysseus is possibly the most "human" of Greek heroes; He didn't have the superstrength of Herakles or the invulnerability of Achilles nor was he such a terror in combat that he could best gods like Diomedes. His superpowers were a sharp mind and an unbreakable determination.
In short, he was Bronze Age Batman.
@@CteCrassus omg imagine the Greek/Bronze Age justice league
Everytime I see Tiresias I think of his mythology. He saw 2 snakes boning and was so freaked out he killed them so the gods turned him into a woman. He got turned back like 7 years later.
Another fun myth, Zeus and Hera were arguing about who liked sex more, men or women, so they came to ask Tiresias since he was the only one who experienced both and he said 'if it was on a scale of 1 to 10, men have 1 and the women have the other 9' and Hera didn't like that so she blinded him
Blind prophet! Fun stories
I thought he just poked them with a stick, and then the change back was when he came across the same two snakes having sex again, and poked them with a stick again? Maybe it's different versions of the myth.
I mean, I know there's definitely multiple versions of the "blinded" story. In some it's Zeus who blinds him because he didn't like the answer, in others it's Hera.
oh i wonder if thats the reason why the most popular design of tiresias is of a pretty boy instead of an old man, maybe artistic liberties as a call back to when he had become a woman
I really love how you added the foreshadowing about the cattle and what happens in consequence to that regardless the warnings they receive. Not to mention when he gets to Ithaca but it's "not really him" as Athena's help makes him look like a complete stranger. It's a super clever way to show everything that he's got coming! Love how you portrayed it! ^^
And it’s also a metaphor for how he has to let go of his empathy and “turn off his heart” and learns that ruthlessness is in fact, mercy in some cases. In that sense, not only is the prophet foreshadowing Athena’s help disguising him, but also his personality (you could say, don’t really know how to describe it. I’m bad at describing lol) because he left home as an empathetic man and wants to have mercy for everyone but he returns mostly the opposite.
I love all the little bits of foreshadowing! And how Tiresias' cloak seems to "wisp" around him giving him that semi-inhuman vibe! It's neat seeing Odysseus seemingly "accept" what he's being told at the end. In a way, he's become so tired that he's not really gonna be questioning what prophecies tell him anymore because if it means he'll get home, he'd do anything.
I like how Odysseus has a recurring lyric of spoken "what?" Recontextualized each time and each time it emphasizes how "the warrior of the mind" is caught off guard having underestimated his opponents and friends alike
0:38 love how you used Helio's sacred cow for the betrayal part because Odysseus' men betrayed his command/trust and did the one thing they weren't supposed to.
Honestly an alternate title for The Odyssey could really be called "Odysseus' crew were idiots", cause there's only one time where they're smarter than Odysseus, but the rest of the time Odysseus has to clean up their messes and save their butts (until he finally can't).
Anyway my original point before I started hating on his crew was going to be I don't think I've seen any other Tiresias animatic/any other epic song animatic put in as many details from the Odyssey as you do. I can really tell how much effort you're putting into these, especially by respecting the source material. Fantastic work as always!
You’d think they’d learn after the Bag of Wind incident, but no. They got themselves killed
@@dragonstouch1042 Ikr?! They never learn! Most of Odysseus’ crew makes the worst decisions without Odysseus there;
-immediately trusting the lotus eaters to eat the lotus and having to be saved by Odysseus
-opening the bag Aeolus gave them despite the specific orders not to, the moment Odysseus isn't looking.
-immediately trusting Circe (despite every other being on the other islands trying to kill them) AND HAVING TO BE SAVED BY ODYSSEUS AGAIN.
-finally eating Helios' sacred cows DESPITE THE SPECIFIC ORDERS NOT TO AGAIN, THE MOMENT ODYSSEUS ISN'T LOOKING AGAIN.
Then of course they get killed and Odysseus is stranded for 7 years because of their actions. I really feel bad for Odysseus here cause most of the time he was trying so hard to get them all home alive and safe (Odysseus does genuinely care for his crew: when the crew turns back from pigs to humans Odysseus actually embraces them and cries), but because of all the crew's mistakes they got delayed so much which only made things worse.
Hell even Odysseus’ mistake of taunting the Cyclops didn't cost them as much (cause in the Odyssey the majority of the crew is killed by cannibal giants; Poseidon hardly does anything to the crew except wish them bad luck and briefly attacks Odysseus after escaping Calpyso, but Poseidon then gives up and lets him go).
@@iliketea1427 really in the Odyssey, a good chunk of the gods are butt hurt about the war and decide to pick on Odysseus specifically
It’s official. Odysseus’s crew were just toddlers in adult bodies
@@Pjo_Fan_And_A_Winion and Odysseus was basically just their baby sitter/parent [because he had to constantly watch them or else they would die (or majorly f up)] 😂
0:41 First of all, that's a Kickass line. Second of all, cat ears lol.
I love that this captures the idea that Teiresias can’t see Odysseus, but he sees his actions, his past, and his future.
That first bit where Tiresias bends down to drink to regain his memories...*chef's kiss*
I love the detail that Odysseus' beard is longer here than in Full Speed Ahead, but shorter than what we see in Get In the Water. Really nice way to convey the passage of time.
I cannot wait for the scenes of Penelope and the suitors. The way she sings out of pure love for missing him tugs at my heart. I love your work sm ❤ If I didn't binge all of your EPIC animations I wouldn't have known it was a real project. I have listened to the "whole" musical updates over 20 times already 😂 Keep up the beautiful work ❤
Excuse me could you tell me the name of this song, I don't recall it 😅🙏
@@LicornemikuIt's Called: The Challenge
I think this is one of the best depictions of a story where the viewer’s journey throughout the story is watching the main character fall so far from where they were at the start. Often times, I end up feeling bad for the character but it’s hard for me to find stories that break the main character without either (a) making me hate them or (b) making their brokenness truly impactful. With this musical, not only do I really like Odysseus, but my heart breaks for him constantly. I feel bad for every new tragedy that happens, and it deepens the further it goes on. That’s truly impressive for a story, let alone a purely soundtrack based musical, to pull off. Massive fan of Mr. Rivera’s work
I love how this song portrays the Odysseus arriving back home as a completely different person in diffences ways, as in reality it's Odysseus but he had completely changed because of war and wasn't the same so they took him as a completely different person. Another is the disguise he wears while he’s hiding when he gets back home.
Oh wow, this is chilling. That Teresis doesn't have any expressions yet still conveys regret and pity. Awesome job ^_^
This artstyle for the music has me in death grip andi love it so fucking much
Oh this is GOOD! It’s so mysterious and haunting but still there’s a whole story told simply by expressions, very well done Wolfey! :D ❤
Ok now we have the reveal that Tireseas is a young guy, this is a bit funny 😂
Actually this animatic is more a mythology accurate version of Tiresias. Tiresias isn't actually a young guy, it's just that a young guy voices him for EPIC (besides its not like EPIC is accurate anyway) and animators follow that.
The way my breath hitched as I clicked the notification so fast
I love this song so much, I hope it's actually longer in the final ❤ I'm so happy you drew this
Your animatics are the reason I found out about the EPIC: The Musical Project, and now I've practically memorised all the crumbs I can find (it's fantastic). So thank you, so much!
How did you know all I've been doing today is listening to the EPIC musical! Couldn't come at a better time.❤
this is just wow Tiresias’ design is exactly what I imagined him to look like!!!! also. the Penelope frames. gosh this is too much to handle..
Yo, why do prophets always hang out in the creepiest or hardest places to reach? You never find one at the local Walmart.
It's not hes fault his dead.
Great detail of him drinking the blood first before speaking and that last shot of how Odysseus will no longer be the same when he comes back surely hits deep
I heard the musical and later read the original story. I was a little bit dissapointed about some big differences between the musical and the book. Still I find both of it truly fascinating. I really like how you created the characters and how you show the important events. Especially in this video I LOVE how you created a mix of the song and the things that are written in the old books. Well done =D I am seeing forward to more great contant.
Omg amazing!!
“It’s no longer you” that hits DEEP
Genuinely one of my favourite songs in this musical so far! I was SO GLAD when I saw this!
Hell yes, underrated song :)
your videos always give me the chills! It’s always so good and every detail you put into these videos are so good! Keep up the good work!
That transition having the profit sitting up from drinking water
This is gorgeous and I can feel the emotions from both your art and Jays music I love how you convey the emotion in your artwork it’s so beautiful ❤❤❤ Good Night
This is so beautiful 😭
The face shape and style of sketching pairs so well with the shading of the characters and background. The transitions between scenes even for a rough version is incredible!
Your animatics and character design are brilliant!
I love the past and future clips, Tiresias is such a mysterious character
Honestly I loved this phrase of lyrics, it just makes me think… (I see it all, all the paths you take.) and yet, this path; it’s no longer you.
0:29 This transition is so smooth. Great job animating this!
IT'S BEAUTIFUL!!! I love how detailed it with the flashbacky part!!
You know it's gonna be a good day when Wolfy posts
Nobody: How many times have you seen this?
Me: Yes.
Babe wake up Wolfy dropped another INCREDIBLE Epic animatic.
Seriously love this one tho :D Especially the zoom into his eye bit that was really cool :)) Also your Tiresias design looks exactly like what i imagine, I love how hes all droopy (if that makes any sense lmao)
Love this. You are such an inspiration for drawing anatomy and expressions. Thank you for sharing, Wolfy!
i have never felt so excited about a animatic straight up after classes end, this is amazing and beautiful! love this sm :]
Just finished reading the odessey OML this is cool!!
I absolutely love this how you showed all the incidents he was talking about I don’t think I have seen that and it is one of the best animatic of Epic I have ever seen.
Love how this brings back and contrasts with Odysseus line "So much has change, but im the same" in the Ocean Saga, because as much as he doesn't want to see he already HAS change so much, he can't still be himself - his true self, the one who began this journey. I recently read the book "Circe" and one of the most heartbroken scenes, yet perfect scene was Telemacus telling Odysseus death. He couldn't actually ho back home, always haunted, paranoid, unable to actually come home, because he change so much, that Ithica is no longer his home
OMG WOLFY THIS IS AMAZING!!! AAAHHHH!!! 😭✨️✨️
Yeyyy i love ur style of animation in this musical
Nice detail with Theresias drinking the blood before being able to speak to Odysseus
This is one of my absolute favorites songs from the musical. I desperately need more of it to be released
New obsession unlocked
Wolfy you did it again
THIS IS SO COOL!!!
I love the shot for "sacrifice of man" so so much!!!!
I haven't clicked on a notification so fast in my life until now
I love when Penelope is drawn taller than Odysseus. It never fails to make my day haha
Oooh I love how flowy tiresias’ form is, it’s so shade like and ghostly
The prophets design is so cool, he’s so gaunt and sorrowful
AAA this is my favorite song :DD ❤❤everytime you post an animatic it makes me fall in love with the story over and over again I swear
Whoaaaaa the depth of this dong. He does indeed make it home, but he's been through so many harsh trials that when he returns to Penelope he's no longer than man she married. She'll have to learn to love him all over again.
Your character design was all that was in the thumbnail, and it looks almost identical to another animatic's design. Gave me an angry adrenaline rush for a second there because I thought you had just reuploaded theirs. Glad to see that wasn't the case. Anyways, you also did a great job!
Literal chills. Oh my god the longing and pity in the old mans eyes.
I LOVE THIS
THIS WAS SO QUICK HOW THE HECK??? ITS SO AMAZING THOUGH ❤❤❤
The best painter in the world ❤
I’m admiring your work!
THIS IS SO GOOD! OH MY GOSH 💖
Truly *_Haunting_*
Love it! I never get tired of watching your videos.🥰❤️
It's just too good!I wish to see more videos like this!
OH I LOVE THIS SO MUCHH
Aaah, this is amazing!
Great animatic!
…my god. I just realized something.
“I see a man who gets to make it home alive. But it’s no longer you.”
This. This works on two beautiful levels.
Athena in the myth disguised Odysseus in the illusion of a beggar so he could not be recognized. But even under the illusion, the man who Odysseus had become when he finally returns home is Someone Else. This. God. THIS MUSICAL. It’s so clever and in a way gives him a way out of the tragedy. He is and could still be, the same man who comes home and the illusion is just that, an illusion. Odysseus is still the same man. Or maybe he has changed.
GOD I LOVE THIS MUSICAL.
I really like your animations,
I love your art style so much!
Wolfy coming thru with a No Longer You animatic two days after i got back into Epic
AMAZING AS ALWAYS ❤❤
This song always tears me up inside and this animatic didn't help (beautiful work, as always) BUT I think summing this up as the prophet telling Odysseus he has to get on that sigma male grindset to get home is infinitely funnier so that's what I'm interpreting this as from now on
BEAUTIFUL AS ALWAYS WOLFY ❤
damn, i'm early
great job as always, wolfy!
I hoped for an animation for this song so much, I love it
I was reading the part in the book where Eurylochus was like “I’d rather die at sea than die here of starvation” and beside it someone wrote “do you agree?” And then everyone else who rented the book wrote the same thing under it and now there’s just a line of like, five “do you agree?”’s
Actually amazing ❤❤
Interesting, good work.
0:42 cat ears
You can't unsee it now, sorry.
Amazing stuff!!
YOur art is so Scrumptious idk how to explain it
Cool!
ANOTHER SLAY
The amount that I'm obsessed with this musical is very healthy (Me when I'm delusional)
i’m obsessed
Maybe it's the beard/hood/staff combo, but I get serious Merlin vibes from the animatics of this song, especially the lines "I am the prophet with the answers you seek / Time, I've unlocked it / I see past and future running free"...
Like a sort of combo of the idea of Merlin living through time backwards, and what you'd find if you spoke to him from his prison (cave/tree/glass tower/whatever) for a divination.
Also, I know the line "But that's not a world I know" has deeper references to Odysseus' altered identity (internal or external) in getting home (as well as the fact that this entire musical -like all variations - is arguably a sort of AU from the original Homeric Odyssey), but also...
Well, yes, Tiresias. That would be at least partly because you are *dead* and you can no longer 'know' the living world as it goes on.
I genuinely have no words. But this is what I would...
Change......
NOTHING! Also didn't mean to scare you. Wolfy, I love all of animatics.❤
Also, I could never do something this. That is why I admire all animators.
Well, that was fast. 😅
I LOVE THIS ! Everything! Expressions and all!
was not expecting this today but OUCH HEY WHKSKSBCN
Wooo everyone wake up Wolfy posted!
imma make some guesses to the foreshadowing:
0:31 "I see a song of past romance" Could be referencing There Are Other Ways where Odysseus tells Circe about how Penelope was his motivation
0:33 "I see the sacrifice of man" Could be either talking about Remember Them where Polites and some of the men were crushed by Polyphemus' Club or Scylla where more men died (as alluded to by Eurylochus in Mutiny.)
0:37 "I see portrayals of betrayal" Judging by the video, pretty sure this is about Odysseus' Men killing Helios' Cows when Odysseus most likely warned them not to. (We haven't seen this stated in the snippets yet but was stated in the Odyssey. And also this is most likely the reason why Thunder Bringer happens.)
0:41 "And a brother's final stand" 100% Mutiny, the battle snippet for Mutiny is literally called "A Brother's Final Stand"
0:45 "I see you on the brink of death" Either during the Charybdis battle or somewhere Get In The Water, I'm guessing it would be near the end of the Charybdis fight since his raft would be heavily damaged.
0:48 "I see you draw your final breath" Looking at the video and the lyric, It's most likely when Odysseus sneaks into the palace as an old beggar and tried to keep a low profile.
0:51 "I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it's no longer you" Referring to how Odysseus must accept that he must show ruthlessness in order to protect the ones he loves. (Also could be a play on how Odysseus comes home disguised as an old beggar.)
i love this song well i love all of them but this one so heart breaking
WHY IS POLITES THE SACRIFICE OF MAN ;-;