Hey man I went through this about 8-9 years ago. I had the works man. The insomnia is what really sucked. Just keep going man. It’ll end soon and you’ll be victorious. Focus on the thought of freedom and victory man
Don't apologize for being down. This is the reality of withdrawal and you're sharing that. Just because it's a struggle doesn't mean it's not worth it. I've tried to quit several times in the past and your video popped up in my recommended seemingly out of nowhere. I feel like maybe I should be taking it as a sign that I should be trying again soon. Thank you.
It’s definitely worth it! The days of withdrawal may seem arduous and almost impossible at times, but you have those moments of reprieve when you know you are setting yourself free.
thank you for making this. my husband has been struggling for 7 years. had 2 months sober after rehab but has recently relapsed. i haven’t been able to understand what he’s been going through and the way he’s acted. kratom has ruined us. thank you for the vulnerability. i hope life is finding you well today ❤
I’ve been on Kratom 2 years. The first month was wonderful! I thought to myself Kratom isn’t a drug since I could buy it at any gas station. I spent all our savings 40k$ in 2 years buying the liquid Kratom shots. I lost so much weight, I don’t exercise any more, I’m losing my hair,I don’t sleep with my wife anymore(I’m on the couch every night). Gabapentin and cannabis helped me get through the longest in the past. I’m so sick and tired of being constipated it’s a living hell! I wish your family good luck on getting through this Kratom ordeal ❤️
The path beyond this is thru it. You've got this. I went thru the torture of Benzodiazepine withdrawal. Took 3 years to notice signs of emerging. I am now 5 years on and continue to improve year to year.
@sobrietyproject That's the thing about benzos- one could take them for a short period and suffer injury. There are others who have taken them daily for years without issue. Vast majority of those who suffer the injury take them as prescribed. It's not an addiction issue but one of physical dependence. There are changes that occur within the central nervous system that remain. Opiates don't do that.
Honestly don't compare benzos with kratom. Quiting benzos can KILL YOU. I have been on them its NOTHING like quitting kratom. Kratom helped me get off that satanic drug. Glad you got off of them. It's so hard.
Yeah I agree, THE worse effect is restless arms and legs, and the lack of sleep!!!! Enemies use sleep deprivation for a reason, because eventually it will break anyone! Good luck bro
These struggles will make you even stronger in the end. You got this man! I know it's not the same but I was a binge drinker for years and tried to quit multiple times. Luckily something finally clicked last year and I am coming up on a year sober and have never felt better. Stay strong
I really am proud of people who keep on pushing even though the odds are against them. You shouldn't feel bad or blame yourself for things that you can't fully control, like your sleep schedule, your energy level or your concertration. Take your time, healing is not an easy task, but when you are completely done with it, your sober and healed self will be grateful for your hard work. I believe in you. Trust yourself
The trick is to taper down, to the very smallest possible dose. I use like 15gs, 2X a day. Whenever I want to stop, I have to taper down half doses until I’m below 3 grams a dose. Then a week only one dose a day, then I can stop without withdrawals. Last time I stopped without taper it was well into two weeks before withdrawals eased. And without sleep aids, there’s no way.
I have to suffer Suboxone withdrawal.... I've gone 14 days before I started throwing up. Now I can go about 3 days maybe more if I push it. But it takes 6months to a year to get off Suboxone. After you been doing it for years. I know what withdrawal feels like it's hell. I'm sorry
Thank you! I have used Fentanyl in the past. Had three nights of sweats, total inability to sleep, and restlessness. However, I took it in short duration. Never been on Suboxone, but heard the wd is absolute hell because the half-life is so long. Sorry to hear about that long struggle. Hope you are well 😀
I've noticed that the strain available to you has everything to do with your withdrawal. Some people experience a diluted version -- but if you find the real thing your dependency will be intense. My withdrawal was awful. I was like rolling like an alligator in a puddle of sweat in my bed. It was extremely physical for me. Just totally uncomfortable. But hang in there! It does get better. You'll take a big turn in a few days.
I hope the best for you my friend! I've been on kratom for about 7 or 8 years myself. It did help me quit nicotine and alcohol. But I do wish I hadn't started it because trading one thing for another just isn't what I was aiming for but it is what it is. My job is physically demanding and a family to take care of so quitting cold turkey just wouldn't work for me. Maybe in the future I'll be able to quit it and be completely sober for once in long time. I'm ok with it being my only vice for now because I have lowered my doses quite significantly over the years. Shalom my brother.
Hey, congrats on quitting nic and alcohol! I certainly support those who use Kratom responsibly, but completely understand the feeling of dependency. Putting life on hold isn’t easy or even possible for many. Glad you are able to keep dosing under control, that is something I just wouldn’t do.
Me too, I'm fine with it as it helped me come off a plethora of deadly and addictive prescription drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, sugar, I'm healthier. I believe it will fall away in the right time. These things are here when we need them.
Make it to day 7 and its all good from there. For me day three is the first day when you really feel it. Youre gonna feel great in just a bit, Just fight it and do whatever you can to feel comfy. Exercise and lots of water. Youll be fine, it gets better
I'm about to go through this myself... made myself the promise that if I got a new job I would quit. I take 9-18 pills a day right now, i'm going to cut that down to 8 - then 7 - then 6 - and then i'm going cold turkey.
I hope you feel better soon ❤ I've detoxed from years of heavy IV heroin and IV fentanyl use.. and it's hell on earth. It was not tolerable. Not being able to sleep through it is the worst. The fentanyl wd lasted a good two months and I still didn't feel good. Never used kratom enough to withdrawal bc it didn't do anything for me. I'm on suboxone now because I didn't want to keep relapsing.
I took massive amounts of Kratom for years including the powder & extracts. My withdrawals lasted about a week w/ the first 4-5 days being the worst. Ride it out & quit that poison. Good luck!
I've heard high doses of vitamin C helps with withdrawal. There has to be something for the restless limbs. Quinine works for restless legs. I'd get it from the pharmacy. I do hope you're still there.
I hope you make it, sincerely. I am a recovering alcoholic with 16 years sober. Started using Kratom 2 years ago, 4 grams a day. I stopped cold turkey 5/1/24. Withdrawal lasted for 17 days. 6/9/24, 1st day I have felt okay. Kratom is very hard to quit, wish you the best
I varied between 30-40 GPD at my absolute max peak. I did a rapid taper but cut it short and still riding the withdrawal bus after nearly a week. It IS BETTER though, but still lingering at day five.
But everyone is different. I hope you make it. They want us all on drugs. Get Clean if it's only a week. You can do it I did 14 days withdrawal. It was hell.
@@savageboiangel7874I know that feeling, I ripped open that bag as soon as it showed up to get over the feeling, I am going to limit my use starting now.
Cannabis , sleeping aids and a lot of caffeine, but you don't get any withdraws of any kind if you just wean down. Either way kratom withdraws are nothing compared to real drugs. I took 20 grams a day for 4 years straight and then quit. When you quit kratom you get a very minor withdraw symptom for a little bit which the worst of it is restless legs while trying to sleep and that can be remedied with cannabis and sleep aids. You'll be good in a week or so.
It may not be useful for you as of now but I’d like to put you on Incase you have any issues in the future. Clonidine, Lyrica, DXM pre bed make withdrawals non existent, I’ve quit kratom several times and use it for periods of time when I’m stressed or have a lot of my plate. These compounds i recommended together should be discussed more because I almost could not believe the relief I experienced from them.
BGpharma is where you’d look for information on these compounds there is reviews and I’ve used it personally several times with success. 9-14 days for arrival.
Some other compounds to look into further are: *L-THP*, Kanna, Kava, *Phenibut*, and Baclofen use caution when experimenting with anything I’ve mentioned
If nothing else get clonidine! It will get you to sleep!!!! from a doctor or urgent care as it will help a lot. I really hope these comments or information help you because I’ve tried everything on the quittingkratom subreddit I’ve seen mentioned with no success whatsoever and I wished I had someone inform me on what I am to you! Good luck man! You can do it!!!!
Lyrica and gabapentin are both gabapentinoids can be used interchangeably. Immodium- Large doses. Immodium works by targeting opiate receptors in the intestinal tract. The same ones that are subdued by opiates and in turn cause opioid induced constipation. Unfortunately it does require large doses, but can be a huge help. MARIJUANA PRODUCTS. can shift your mindset . Helps a lot for me. Small doses of benzos. Use with caution however. Good list though. Be careful with clonidine as it can lower blood pressure to dangerous levels.
Yeah you can spike your blood pressure while you are sleeping mixing clonodine and Lyrica(pregablin) and did you say DXM? Don't ever go to med school, this is a horrible mix and dangerous.
what? thats strange what drugs are you taking with kratom ? i was only taking kratom for three years every day 3 times a day 5 grams each pop and when i quit straight just stopped i had no with drawls what so ever or mental with drawl ive done heroin and withdrawls are brutal but kratom yeah i feel like this is musinformation sorry man i suppose you could techincly use this as aexcuse what a trip its so sad cuz kratom is such a nice thing clips like this give it a bad name
You need some spring water bro! Not the shit from the stores. Much luv and well wishes! I quit fentanyl by going to the woods and didn't withdraw. It's all in your head bro.
You weren’t addicted to fentanyl if you didn’t have withdrawal. It is physically addicting it is NOT all in your head. I think you took fentanyl a couple of times and then went out in the woods and thought you were cured. Your advice is bullshit
Now I don't try to get off Suboxone as much as maintain it. I'm just trying to not get sick and keep working. If I work Alot and save my extra money I could buy my script so I'm going for that. Got a few left but I'm refusing to run out completely
You get withdrawals from grass?..im not acting high and mighty..im an ec heroine addict and currently on Methadone..im not being a smartass when i asked..i hear you have to be on a really high amount to feel affects..i just always thought it was just grass? Is there a place you get it? Maybe you can take medical Marijuana?...well i give you credit dude..ive been too much of a pussy to try to come of Methadone because i have so much pain
Hey man I went through this about 8-9 years ago. I had the works man. The insomnia is what really sucked. Just keep going man. It’ll end soon and you’ll be victorious. Focus on the thought of freedom and victory man
Thank you! I’m still hanging in there on day 5 😀
the worst part of this withdrawal is the sadness, feeling anxiety for me just morphs into profound sadness for me
Don't apologize for being down. This is the reality of withdrawal and you're sharing that. Just because it's a struggle doesn't mean it's not worth it. I've tried to quit several times in the past and your video popped up in my recommended seemingly out of nowhere. I feel like maybe I should be taking it as a sign that I should be trying again soon. Thank you.
It’s definitely worth it! The days of withdrawal may seem arduous and almost impossible at times, but you have those moments of reprieve when you know you are setting yourself free.
thank you for making this. my husband has been struggling for 7 years. had 2 months sober after rehab but has recently relapsed. i haven’t been able to understand what he’s been going through and the way he’s acted. kratom has ruined us. thank you for the vulnerability. i hope life is finding you well today ❤
I’ve been on Kratom 2 years. The first month was wonderful! I thought to myself Kratom isn’t a drug since I could buy it at any gas station. I spent all our savings 40k$ in 2 years buying the liquid Kratom shots. I lost so much weight, I don’t exercise any more, I’m losing my hair,I don’t sleep with my wife anymore(I’m on the couch every night).
Gabapentin and cannabis helped me get through the longest in the past. I’m so sick and tired of being constipated it’s a living hell!
I wish your family good luck on getting through this Kratom ordeal ❤️
Rooting for you, looking forward to the continued progress! By the way that's one of the cutest dogs I've ever lol
The path beyond this is thru it. You've got this. I went thru the torture of Benzodiazepine withdrawal. Took 3 years to notice signs of emerging. I am now 5 years on and continue to improve year to year.
Never took benzodiazepines long enough to have severe wd, I heard from many that it is worse than opiates coming down. Glad you are free!
@sobrietyproject That's the thing about benzos- one could take them for a short period and suffer injury. There are others who have taken them daily for years without issue. Vast majority of those who suffer the injury take them as prescribed. It's not an addiction issue but one of physical dependence. There are changes that occur within the central nervous system that remain. Opiates don't do that.
Honestly don't compare benzos with kratom. Quiting benzos can KILL YOU. I have been on them its NOTHING like quitting kratom. Kratom helped me get off that satanic drug. Glad you got off of them. It's so hard.
@@sobrietyprojectit is much worse then any drug in the world. Almost killed me quitting it. Used it for panic attacks never was an addict.
Yeah I agree, THE worse effect is restless arms and legs, and the lack of sleep!!!! Enemies use sleep deprivation for a reason, because eventually it will break anyone! Good luck bro
Facts
These struggles will make you even stronger in the end. You got this man! I know it's not the same but I was a binge drinker for years and tried to quit multiple times. Luckily something finally clicked last year and I am coming up on a year sober and have never felt better. Stay strong
I really am proud of people who keep on pushing even though the odds are against them. You shouldn't feel bad or blame yourself for things that you can't fully control, like your sleep schedule, your energy level or your concertration. Take your time, healing is not an easy task, but when you are completely done with it, your sober and healed self will be grateful for your hard work. I believe in you. Trust yourself
Try taking one day at a time. Don't think about tomorrow. Fight moment by moment. God bless you. I believe you can get through it.
The trick is to taper down, to the very smallest possible dose.
I use like 15gs, 2X a day. Whenever I want to stop, I have to taper down half doses until I’m below 3 grams a dose.
Then a week only one dose a day, then I can stop without withdrawals.
Last time I stopped without taper it was well into two weeks before withdrawals eased. And without sleep aids, there’s no way.
I have done it many many times. Day 7 to 10 is where it starts to look better.🎉 you got this bro, you are past the worst now if you made it to 7
I have to suffer Suboxone withdrawal.... I've gone 14 days before I started throwing up. Now I can go about 3 days maybe more if I push it. But it takes 6months to a year to get off Suboxone. After you been doing it for years. I know what withdrawal feels like it's hell. I'm sorry
Why cold turkey like that? If you go really slow is not as bad.. and get the sublocade shot bc it leaves the body so much slower.
Yes exactly! That shot saved my ass from residual cravings!@@awkwardautistic
Thank you! I have used Fentanyl in the past. Had three nights of sweats, total inability to sleep, and restlessness. However, I took it in short duration. Never been on Suboxone, but heard the wd is absolute hell because the half-life is so long. Sorry to hear about that long struggle. Hope you are well 😀
I've noticed that the strain available to you has everything to do with your withdrawal. Some people experience a diluted version -- but if you find the real thing your dependency will be intense. My withdrawal was awful. I was like rolling like an alligator in a puddle of sweat in my bed. It was extremely physical for me. Just totally uncomfortable. But hang in there! It does get better. You'll take a big turn in a few days.
I hope the best for you my friend! I've been on kratom for about 7 or 8 years myself. It did help me quit nicotine and alcohol. But I do wish I hadn't started it because trading one thing for another just isn't what I was aiming for but it is what it is. My job is physically demanding and a family to take care of so quitting cold turkey just wouldn't work for me. Maybe in the future I'll be able to quit it and be completely sober for once in long time. I'm ok with it being my only vice for now because I have lowered my doses quite significantly over the years.
Shalom my brother.
Hey, congrats on quitting nic and alcohol! I certainly support those who use Kratom responsibly, but completely understand the feeling of dependency. Putting life on hold isn’t easy or even possible for many. Glad you are able to keep dosing under control, that is something I just wouldn’t do.
Me too, I'm fine with it as it helped me come off a plethora of deadly and addictive prescription drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, sugar, I'm healthier. I believe it will fall away in the right time. These things are here when we need them.
Make it to day 7 and its all good from there. For me day three is the first day when you really feel it. Youre gonna feel great in just a bit, Just fight it and do whatever you can to feel comfy. Exercise and lots of water. Youll be fine, it gets better
Oh and for insomnia I would take Melatonin. Start off low 1Mg , never more than 5MG. B/c it will keep you awake funny enough.
Best of luck man, u got this!
Thank you 😊
Rooting for you man
Hope you made it through man! I need to start tapering off soon myself.
You can do this ! I would look into ginger tea or other anti inflammation drinks.
You got this brother! This is a marathon not a sprint. I know this is not easy for you but it will get easier!
Been on it for 2 years… this is encouraging.. I need to end my relationship with kratom.. ✌️
I'm about to go through this myself... made myself the promise that if I got a new job I would quit. I take 9-18 pills a day right now, i'm going to cut that down to 8 - then 7 - then 6 - and then i'm going cold turkey.
I hope you feel better soon ❤
I've detoxed from years of heavy IV heroin and IV fentanyl use.. and it's hell on earth. It was not tolerable. Not being able to sleep through it is the worst.
The fentanyl wd lasted a good two months and I still didn't feel good.
Never used kratom enough to withdrawal bc it didn't do anything for me.
I'm on suboxone now because I didn't want to keep relapsing.
I took massive amounts of Kratom for years including the powder & extracts. My withdrawals lasted about a week w/ the first 4-5 days being the worst. Ride it out & quit that poison. Good luck!
I've heard high doses of vitamin C helps with withdrawal. There has to be something for the restless limbs. Quinine works for restless legs. I'd get it from the pharmacy. I do hope you're still there.
keep it up I hope you are able to break free!!!
Good luck man I had bad alcohol withdrawal before
Yes! Alcohol withdrawal is no joke!
Kratom is so trash. The restless legs are the WORST. Felt like i was jogging in my bed for 3 hours.
I hope you make it, sincerely. I am a recovering alcoholic with 16 years sober. Started using Kratom 2 years ago, 4 grams a day. I stopped cold turkey 5/1/24. Withdrawal lasted for 17 days. 6/9/24, 1st day I have felt okay. Kratom is very hard to quit, wish you the best
That’s how I feel when I withdrawal from alcohol. Which is condoned and legal.
How many gpd were you taking? I forget if you mentioned it in your other videos. I’m currently trying to taper before I jump
I varied between 30-40 GPD at my absolute max peak. I did a rapid taper but cut it short and still riding the withdrawal bus after nearly a week. It IS BETTER though, but still lingering at day five.
good luck man, nothing worth it, is easy. hang in there.
i believe in you, you got this
It’s hard when your friends and hangout place is a kava bar!!
But everyone is different. I hope you make it. They want us all on drugs. Get Clean if it's only a week. You can do it I did 14 days withdrawal. It was hell.
Just withdrawal till I could get more
@@savageboiangel7874I know that feeling, I ripped open that bag as soon as it showed up to get over the feeling, I am going to limit my use starting now.
Cannabis , sleeping aids and a lot of caffeine, but you don't get any withdraws of any kind if you just wean down. Either way kratom withdraws are nothing compared to real drugs. I took 20 grams a day for 4 years straight and then quit. When you quit kratom you get a very minor withdraw symptom for a little bit which the worst of it is restless legs while trying to sleep and that can be remedied with cannabis and sleep aids. You'll be good in a week or so.
I’m going thru the same situation, because of my health. I don’t do any else but Kratom so I’m hurting.
God bless your soul, hope you get through this and all of our worldly hardships.
goodluck pal!
Them tramadol days, i quit after i had a seizure in Lisbon and fucked up 2 tooth...
go hard white boy 😤
Hey man keep it up. You can do it.
It may not be useful for you as of now but I’d like to put you on Incase you have any issues in the future. Clonidine, Lyrica, DXM pre bed make withdrawals non existent, I’ve quit kratom several times and use it for periods of time when I’m stressed or have a lot of my plate. These compounds i recommended together should be discussed more because I almost could not believe the relief I experienced from them.
BGpharma is where you’d look for information on these compounds there is reviews and I’ve used it personally several times with success. 9-14 days for arrival.
Some other compounds to look into further are: *L-THP*, Kanna, Kava, *Phenibut*, and Baclofen use caution when experimenting with anything I’ve mentioned
If nothing else get clonidine! It will get you to sleep!!!! from a doctor or urgent care as it will help a lot. I really hope these comments or information help you because I’ve tried everything on the quittingkratom subreddit I’ve seen mentioned with no success whatsoever and I wished I had someone inform me on what I am to you! Good luck man! You can do it!!!!
Lyrica and gabapentin are both gabapentinoids can be used interchangeably.
Immodium- Large doses.
Immodium works by targeting opiate receptors in the intestinal tract. The same ones that are subdued by opiates and in turn cause opioid induced constipation.
Unfortunately it does require large doses, but can be a huge help.
MARIJUANA PRODUCTS. can shift your mindset . Helps a lot for me.
Small doses of benzos. Use with caution however.
Good list though. Be careful with clonidine as it can lower blood pressure to dangerous levels.
Yeah you can spike your blood pressure while you are sleeping mixing clonodine and Lyrica(pregablin) and did you say DXM? Don't ever go to med school, this is a horrible mix and dangerous.
Are you using Kratom to get off opiates?
get some 5htp and something like athletic greens
good job seth rogan!
What did you take kratom for ? Thanks
I took Kratom to get off pharmaceutical pain meds and alcohol, but traded one addiction for another. Still drank on Kratom.
You would withdraw from food if you stopped eating
Did you taper?
Sounds like heroin withdrawal
GO ON BRO but don't forget smiling
What do you feel of kratom is it a stimulant or depressant ?
Kratom is a partial opioid antagonist. Can have stimulant effect at lower doses and be sedating at higher. Tolerance comes on quickly.
@@sobrietyproject so its not like weed that it has psychoactive effects? But if its like opioids its better to stay away then.
what is kratom
what? thats strange what drugs are you taking with kratom ? i was only taking kratom for three years every day 3 times a day 5 grams each pop and when i quit straight just stopped i had no with drawls what so ever or mental with drawl ive done heroin and withdrawls are brutal but kratom yeah i feel like this is musinformation sorry man i suppose you could techincly use this as aexcuse what a trip its so sad cuz kratom is such a nice thing clips like this give it a bad name
Itchy bones FTW!!!!!!
If it ain't about the money 😔💔
Try NAD+
You need some spring water bro! Not the shit from the stores. Much luv and well wishes! I quit fentanyl by going to the woods and didn't withdraw. It's all in your head bro.
You weren’t addicted to fentanyl if you didn’t have withdrawal. It is physically addicting it is NOT all in your head. I think you took fentanyl a couple of times and then went out in the woods and thought you were cured. Your advice is bullshit
I shouldn't have said it that way. My bad. Didn't mean any discouragement
Crazy
Now I don't try to get off Suboxone as much as maintain it. I'm just trying to not get sick and keep working. If I work Alot and save my extra money I could buy my script so I'm going for that. Got a few left but I'm refusing to run out completely
You get withdrawals from grass?..im not acting high and mighty..im an ec heroine addict and currently on Methadone..im not being a smartass when i asked..i hear you have to be on a really high amount to feel affects..i just always thought it was just grass? Is there a place you get it? Maybe you can take medical Marijuana?...well i give you credit dude..ive been too much of a pussy to try to come of Methadone because i have so much pain