Hey, all! As I’m sure you’ve noticed, comments on this video are paused until further notice. We want to be clear that this is *not* a result of any kind of feedback this video got; not only has most of it been positive, but much of the negative has been polite and reasonable, and we would never stop discussion of a topic that is all about discussion just for the sake of it. We really, really appreciate every single one of those comments. However, not everyone leaves such comments, and those that don’t are attempting to harass those that do. This is, unfortunately, a result of the nature of the VS Community as a whole; while it can inspire spirited debate, friendly arguments, and celebrations of franchises, it also often enables those who wish only to harass or threaten others based on the nature of (comparatively) meaningless and fun opinions. For every comment that points out a simple disagreement in an understanding manner, there has been another we’ve had to manually remove for hate speech, racist remarks, direct threats, and slurs. What we haven’t been able to stop are the arguments that turn into such hate speech in reply threads. This video reached a point where it was gaining over a dozen new comments a day that made no mention of the video itself or its contents, and were simply harassment towards us or others. While the real Death Battle channel is equipped to handle these situations, we definitely are not. We even unlisted the video for a week, in part as an attempt to filter out the people making these comments, but, if anything, it filtered it so as only those who saved the video specifically to hurt others were able to continue to comment. As people and a channel, we are, I would hope, really easy to get along with, most of the time. But we don’t like bullies, and we don’t like threats, and we don’t like having to spend hours of our private lives poring through our comment section to delete those that contain both. There are other, far less serious comments, as well, that are still problematic for different reasons. This video was always meant to be a celebration of Mario, Sonic, and especially Death Battle. It was made by two people to share around with their friend group, just because we liked a show so much that we wanted to make a tribute to it. It was never supposed to get popular. It was never supposed to be our most-viewed video by a factor of 30+. It is not what we normally do, it is not what we want to do in the future, and it is not worth YOUR time to attempt to debunk in multi-comment-long rants. We are a very, very small channel, and this is a very, very small project. If you want to discuss this specific debate, there are thousands of other videos online waiting for you, along with two official episodes. Leave us alone. Please. We will be releasing our extra material, including the commentary and podcast episode, almost solely because we promised them in this video. They will have their comments disabled, but you are free to leave a like or dislike as you choose. Again, this is not to discourage discussion, and we apologize, and there are many, many other places you can talk about the debate, but we refuse to enable the bullying of others. After the podcast, we are *done* with Death Battle content. All of our future videos will encompass our normal, carefree gameplay video style. You are welcome to watch them if you wish, and welcome to unsubscribe if you wish, as well. And to the people trying to get to us through our private social media, or inviting yourself onto our podcast: STOP. We refuse. Find some self-worth, for goodness’ sake. Our fan-made project does not define who you are.
Added this video to my favorites before the fight even started. This editing's just way too good, man. The passion and creativity y'all put into every aspect of this project lowkey means everything to me! Great work, you guys :)
This was really good as it used Music (and full clips) from the actual sources which Death Battle has stopped doing for a while. This give this video a welcome old school feel.
Thank you so much for the kind words! This'll probably be the only time we make something like this (it took hundreds of hours of work and so, so much money), but I'm so happy some people liked it!
Damn this is way better than Mario vs. Sonic 2! The characters are actually respected, and points that go against that verdict are brought up here, like Mario not surviving the black hole in Galaxy. Good work guys!
This was a fun matchup (I still don't like how the manga's, Fleetway, possibly Sonic Boom was still used but Paper Mario/Archie isn't despite all 5 continuities having a somewhat (and for Sonic's cases, very) different Sonic's.) The animation was good, but where did Sonic find a lava pit? Nice usage of the black-box's though, using it for more context so people can guess who is the winner if their more attentive.
Well, looking at it again, it’s even more inconsistent. KKKK wasn’t included but Super Show was. Sonic had Fleetway, but none of the manga incarnations were involved, nor his DIC shows.
two things, more accurate, and better than deathbattles. now I know this is a fan prodject and I'm sure you don't want people to backlash deathbattle, but I gotta say you did really well with this one. can you please make more stuff like this?
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha No, when did i ever say that? Mario is high outer. I debunked your ahh. I have evidence of it. Even tyler slammed ur ass. Come to my video again.
>people genuinely discussing stats/abilities/ectcetera about the actual matchup >me confused on why the fuck SMBZ Super Star Mario was used when that's not even canon, and why Golden Tanooki went away on lava when its invincible to everything in the few games it appear
Also it's absolutely insanity that FLEETWAY AND MARIO-KUN are more reliable as sources than Archie Post Genesis, written by Ian mfing Flynn, and Mario+Rabbids, which has literal normal Mario on it.
5:00 5:26 We go way more into detail on that stuff in our upcoming commentary, but bottom line is that this is a fan project for us first and foremost and we wanted to have fun with it! SMBZ Super Mario is the sprite most old animations of this style used to represent the super form (and the form itself IS canon!), so it seemed the best pick. Yeah, stuff like that makes it feel very homemade, but we were never trying to compete with Death Battle, just make something that payed some tribute to it. Thanks for checking our little video out at all! EDIT: We'll clarify our standards for what does and doesn't count more in Commentary and Podcast, but basically, even though it's post-Genesis wave, it's still explicitly a different Sonic with different history and powers. We probably would have talked about it if it wasn't also directly tied to a franchise that IS clearly seperate. It wasn't DISCOUNTED, per se, kinda like AoStH, but we weren't as comfortable including footage from it, whereas Fleetway is basically as reliable as Boom and Sonic X, it was just popular in a different country. Death Battle uses both X and Boom themselves (and often shows footage of Fleetway), so we personally saw no reason to arbitrarily discount Fleetway. Counting it never made an impact on the winner, just provided more interesting feats and footage, similar to Mario-kun. Mario+Rabbids is a crossover of questionable canonicity, which Death Battle doesn't count in their own show. If we did, it wouldn’t change anything, we'd just spend half of Mario's analysis talking about Rabbid scaling. Basically, it's all opinion-based, but even if we threw all of it away, the winner wouldn't change in our eyes, so we wanted to include it. *shrug* Again, homemade product for our enjoyment.
Although the stories were not good in most boost games with the exception of Unleashed and Frontiers, Sonic is a much more story focused and lore focused series than most platformers so it had a big advantage
@@DragonKingMadaraUchihaThis is the reason u meat ride sonic. you tell us mario fans to skedaddle and u tell lies about me saying im toxic and i have mario at omnipotent? Then you crap on the whole company lmfao
Amazing video, guys i could say you guys had fun making it. Even though i can't say i agree with the research or the explanation, that doesn't mean i can't have fun. On that note, are we not going to talk about how much of a jerk sonic is 😂
Paper Mario was a separate character from the two brothers in " Mario and Luigi: Paper jam " one of the rpg games, cementing them as separate entities. Not to diss you or anything, it confuses me too.
@Tyler-q3k i know about paper jam. I'm just saying that Paper mario is just an illustration of what already happened in Mario's story because there's multiple instances of them being the same. Peach castle in the sky in mario Kart Goomboss first appearance in paper mario to sm64ds and mario kart ds Luigi mansion in paper mario Luigi misses playing sports and parties in his dairy Paper mario block being in mario and luigi. And many more instances, but the main point is paper mario was always a storybook, and something couldn't be created if it never happened before
@TCBlueFire that's a good point, Mario probably could do things like that, although it IS pretty weird that there's entire reality in some random book in the castle, makes you wonder what else Peach is hiding. 🤔
I mean like, he isn’t him tho. Paper Mario is Mario in the sense they share all the same attributes and whatnot, but he’s a different character: specifically existing separately from the real Mario inside of a storybook. It’s like saying that Spider-Man and Tom Holland are the same person because the look, act, and sound the same, but one is just a copy of the other inside of a piece of fiction. Even in the lore, they are two separate people. Lots of overlap in their worlds, but separate worlds nonetheless
@@Tyler-q3k Paper Mario is literally Mario tho this is proven throughout the games and Paper Mario is a direct sequel to SMRPG if you had the game guide that game with the game it even tells you ''Mario is back but this time in this new Paper Style Adventure'
Okay so lemme just start out by saying W video. It looks to good to not be a series but I already know this shit took forever to make so I understand why you didn’t continue it. Now with that being said: 1. I very much appreciate you guys for giving Sonic the W for this debate. And I’m even more grateful that yall respected both characters even after the fact and what not saying this is a form of celebration of both the characters. You did more respect than most of us will ever do which is especially hard for me because a certain someone loves to glaze the other character a little too much. So I really respect you for that. 2.Now as much as I loved the analysis in the video, I gotta say when you said respect the medias that fit the original character’s narrative you kinda went against that. Which is honestly fine because death battle does that all the time😂 but without being said I laughed so hard when you were showing Mario kun and Sonic Boom feats only because it caught me off guard. Then again out what’s canon or not is just a whole other analogy so I could just be rambling for no reason. 3.What software are you using to make this look like the original death battle show because it’s really accurate. Maybe not all the way accurate with all the more expensive quality research they have on the side but still spot on nonetheless. And the animation is really good. Whoever animated that animation I really hope they make it big. I say all this to say you earned a new subscriber, and also sorry if my comment is a goddamn bible verse. But I really liked the video.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 You literally didn't debunk anything. You just threw a temper tantrum. Everyone already knows that you are a toxic Mario Fanboy trolling.
@@TheBlackFelinefromtheend A Toxic Mario Fanboy known as mynameisntimportant who goes screaming insults, throwing temper tantrums, spamming childish rants and ranting about how he thinks that Mario is omnipotent but no one is taking him seriously.
Idk why people are getting mad even tho you made it fair by adding different version of each characters but thank you you did way better thqn death battle
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha fr bro mario fans can't be talking about sonic fans being toxic when there the one trying to make up shut say "oh he used a different version of sonic" when they used Manga feats and show feats for mario. Mario fans be yapping for no reason
I think game Sonic was bound to win. His feats especially in his super form as far greater than Marios. Although without the chaos emeralds/ other super adjacent forms, Mario would win. But I'm happy to see a fight that uses a large amount of both Mario's and Sonics tool kit. And FINALLY SOMEONE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE WHITE LEAF SUIT HAS LAVA WEAKNESSES
White suit technically can resist lava, it’s just that it can’t in games because lava is a death barrier which cannot be avoided even by cheating. same thing with super sonic in sonic superstars.
@@mynameisntimportant1374not really because game Sonic has done a lot more compared to Mario. Like damn near outrunning a Black Hole, tanking hits from many god/ancient like beings, not to mention his speed, also even without the other forms, Super Sonic is more than enough. Mario does have his fair share of feats like his constantly changing fights with Bowser, discovering new abilities, and so on. But in comparison, it is a bit lesser than Sonic's
Thank you for an accurate assessment of the Galaxy ending. Fight was rad. I didnt care for putting in Fleetway or Super Show, but the draws for canon are always inconsistent with these anyway. Totally agree Mario gets wrecked in lava, though. And its hilarious you mentioned he dies without his hat.
Honestly, I think this just goes to show that anyone can make a better episode than the 2018 fight Sonic not calling Mario tubby for no reason Mario not being out of character Using their powerups to their full potential etc
Check out official Death Battles! www.youtube.com/@deathbattle EDIT: We'll do our best to address some more in-depth questions in the behind-the-scenes later, but to clarify the point that most people seem to be confused by: We used and counted franchises and content that Death Battle themselves have used, _exclusively_ . Boom Sonic, Sonic X, the Super Show, the Mario American and EU Comics, all of that can be seen frequently in virtually any modern Sonic or Mario Death Battle. The official show counts all of it. Mario-kun is used in Mario VS Sonic 2018, Fleetway Sonic is used in Metal Sonic VS Zero, and if you're angry with us not counting Paper Mario, don't take it up with us, take it up with the Black Tab in Mario VS Sonic 2018 that explicitly bans it. If this was our own versus show with our own rules, we might have (and probably would have) counted things differently. But it's not. It's a fan-made Death Battle, so we used what Death Battle themselves use. Similarly, all non-canon material was counted as supporting material. Nothing was shown that isn't supported by mainline games, with exception only to one or two fun features that never mattered regarding a victor, such as the Master Mushroom Sword. Super Mario, for example, is a canon form, it just isn't shown much. The Predicto feat is actually far _less_ impressive than Sonic doing the exact same thing to Sage in Sonic Frontiers. et cetera and et cetera. While it was fun to show off and talk about, nothing that played a role in figuring out the victor was non-canon exclusive. There are a lot more questions, arguments, and points/counterpoints that require more in-depth discussion, but this is something we can explain easily and right away. If Death Battle counts it, so did we. It... really is that simple. *EDIT: Please note that everything regarding our Death Battle, including the behind-the-scenes material, was created before Bowser VS Eggman! While we were faithful to the material Death Battle allowed and disallowed at the time of creating our video, the allowed material was changed with Bowser VS Eggman. They now allow Paper Mario, and don't allow Mario-Kun.* *Please note again, that this is a fan-made Death Battle. If our episode was made after Bowser VS Eggman, we would have abided by their updated research.*
@@Skankhunt1412 paper jam is in fact the inconsistency not the other way around. In fact paper jam only further proves Mario and paper Mario are the same guy, firstly it proves the analogy that the paper Mario games are just Mario’s past adventures being retold in a story as we see paper Mario come out of a book in that game and it’s never stated to be a alternate universe not to mention the consistent statements from authorities like Nintendo supporting them being the same and consistent statements within the series which practically confirm both are the same person, such as the paper Mario games being referred to as some of Mario’s past adventures or how art style changes in Mario are canonical or how the paper Mario games themselves literally reference other mario games as past events, heck mario is never once called “paper mario” in the paper mario games or offical material it’s just Mario. So using paper jam as “proof” only really further supports them being the same entity.
@@firepuglord8616 this is literal proof that they're the same character. this is why sonic fans shouldn't be scaling mario because they will have biases about its continuity nor care about Mario's canon while Mario fans. thecodex.wiki/User:DatOneWeeb/Paper_Mario's_Canonicity
@@firepuglord8616 Golden Tanooki Mario dying from lava as a weakness is the dumbest argument yet. Lava is coded like falling into a pit. in other words, it's only a game mechanic on why he dies from lava.
This is the outcome we waited for. Desth battle never gave the blue blur the attention he needed nor mario, They downscaled both. But overall this is the most accurate fanmade death battle I saw.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 The only one coping is you. If anything Sonic was downplayed. Mario is building level at best. You can keep throwing a temper tantrum.
Great stuff. One slight criticism would be to further clarify what is and isn’t canon. It’s a little strange to see so many different iterations of characters talked about, and there’s a lot of inconsistencies between each piece of media (ex, using Mario from Super Show/Movie and the Games concurrently when they have different backstories, basically different characters). Perhaps pick a particular iteration of the character, like perhaps Paper Mario and Archie Sonic and only use those sources… although that’s been done before. Good production, good VA work and narration. If you just keep your source material to a single series, you’d be much better off
When did jump man ever use a sword? Also what form of super sonic was that? Plus why are comic / manga trops being added into the game Canon? Those are two different characters and continuities.
well I'll be honest Mario vs sonic 3 is not complete Mario should use pure hearts and a flower woman Since it's not a complete fight, I'm sorry it's not going to be a match.
If sonic went super and waited 15 seconds it wouldve been GG But also how did Mario counter or dodge any of sonics attacks and how did sonic get hit by any of Mario’s attacks???
Although I do understand Mario may have been tired and a bit “out of options”, but, based on Hyper Sonic’s blast appearing to be jumpable, I wonder as to why Mario didn’t think of jumping, the height of his jump should be able to dodge the attack right? I’d like to hear anybody’s thoughts on the matter. (without being biased, please, I love both Mario and Sonic, and as much as I love Mario more, I do begin to agree that Mario doesn’t have many options against Sonic’s speed and super forms for long. But, based on what I saw, it took Sonic a few seconds to charge up the blast, and so that being said, shouldn’t that have given Mario enough time to think about jumping and actually jump to avoid the attack which appears avoidable?) Another thing I noticed, I do understand that Mario may not thought about it when he was smacked against the rocks which propelled him to the lava, but in that time to being in the air, could Mario perhaps have used that second to use his tanooki tail to quickly glide back onto the rocks? Mario has managed to dodge attacks in this fight before, and so, perhaps he could dodge and get behind Sonic so that he can stay away from where the lava is? Despite Sonic being faster, as said before, Mario has managed to dodge his attacks before, and so, he wouldn’t exactly be cornered if he is given time to think, and in the seconds that it takes Sonic to charge a blast, I don’t believe Mario would be standing there cowering, he’d do something to avoid it. Perhaps he would use the Starman (Not for the Yellow and White Supermode, the one where he’d be invincible for a short period of time) to run into the blast and be fine as he is indeed invincible in that form, and perhaps could have attacked Sonic who is still releasing the last bit of the blast. We all know that Mario can have multiple of the same item (take the platformer games for example, the one I’m thinking of is Super Mario Bros. Wii). And so, instead of him changing from one item to a different one, he shall use all of the duplicate items to his disposal In this fight to see what more he can with them. The one thing he can sure as hell do is have multiple double cherries, and although they may be “mindless”, they would have the same power level as the main Mario would, and so, perhaps they would all share the same item (whichever one allows him to move faster and is stronger) and use them on a strong/quick and coordinated attack on Sonic. Although Sonic has defeated begins who have indeed tried to fight him all at once and still lost, Mario is not like them, being stronger and faster, now imagine multiple duplicates of him. These are just simply my thoughts on what I believe Mario could have done to last longer in the fight, as when I think about it, I do not understand as to why Mario would simply being standing there in fear as Hyper Sonic charges up his energy blast which took quite a bit to fully and dramatically charge, when Mario could have done something to avoid it.
Thanks for being so cordial in your response! It's important to realize that the animation does NOT determine the victor. It’s just a fun extra to show off how certain things might interact. And, as much as it'd be nice, sadly, animation does not pop into reality just by imagining it. It's hundreds of hours of work and very expensive, and we wanted a definitive ending that didn't feel cheap, which is why we framed it as Hyper Sonic outmatching Mario's three trump cards in a row. Of course, realistically by this research, Mario would have ways to continue the fight, but also realistically, if we were going by the stats labelled in this video, Mario wouldn’t even see Sonic the entire fight long, much less Hyper Sonic. But that's no fun! This fit our purposes, perhaps not perfectly, but as well as we could possibly manage without being literally funded by a million-dollar company.
damn i dont agree with the verdict at all but frankly idgaf because we got a new mario vs sonic animation to be discovered and enjoyed by generations of middle school kids to come😌😌😌
As a fan of both series..well okay. Confidentially, while i personally disagree with using stuff like fleetway, Mario-Kun, etc as canon sources, i think this is accurate. The animation was really nice, and i think that both would probably be pretty even in alot of ways. My own personal grip i have is that hyper sonic is a bit odd to use. I understand that if Super is already busted as is, Hyper should be the same way if not stronger, but its weird since Hyper was only used in the classic era, but has yet to appear in the modern games, making me believe that Super was much more powerful then hyper. Simlarly with White Tanooki Mario being used. I would argue things like the metal cap are stronger then white tanooki mario since WT Mario can die or disappear with lava, but the metal cap allows mario to lava bounce without causing damage to Mario. Other then that, i like this overall.
And also, one point I should state before people mention it. Yes, Mario can breathe in space. Now granted titles like Super Mario Wonder, Super Mario land 2, and...I think one other title has shown Mario needing a space helmet or in the case of wonder needs him to hold his breath for a while, but titles like Super Mario World, the galaxy titles (without using Luma since the luma increases striking strength, not gives Mario the power to breath in space), the NSMB games of all series's, Super Mario Odyssey (the space suit is more of a costume Mario can wear.), the Mario Party games (since it is a series that was used in this fight.), and technically SMRPG since Culex is in a pocket dimension where stars are around. Granted, SMRPG is a bit of a loose connection since..well Culex is Culex, but Mario can breathe in space more times than not.
Sonic being able to outrun a black hole the destroyed "existence" as we'll is vague as hell. Existence could just mean a country for all we know prove it ment universe
I stand by what critiques I brought up in the original comment, but I finally realized what rubs me wrong the most about this video, and that’s the unabashed narrative of Sonic being specifically designed to kill not just Mario, but Nintendo as a company. And this is just annoying, not only because it’s explicitly false, but it makes it kinda clear why Mario’s research is so lacking You bring it up four separate times (that I noticed), when introducing Sonic in the intro, when introducing Sonic in his analysis, when bringing up Sonic’s elemental gear, and a bit before bringing up Chaos Energy. You also bring up him being Mario’s rival in the conclusion. Even the end of Mario’s analysis leans into this supposed narrative, which again, I need to note DOES NOT EXIST. Sonic was not created to kill Nintendo. He was merely made to RIVAL Mario. But even if he WAS created to kill Nintendo, he FAILED, which makes this theme being so central to this entire video utterly pointless. It just comes off as disingenuous and even a bit biased.
i completely disagree with rule number 4 it should be changed to: only canon materials of the canon characters should be used for example game mario, game sonic & comic wolverine, unless non-canon materials must be used for the non-canon counterparts such as for example paper mario, archie sonic & fox"s wolverine
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Mario is average human speed at best. Sonic blitzes with ease. Mario is building level at best. Sonic is multiversal at least. Sonic stomps.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Nope. You are just ranting nonsense. I stated facts. You are the only one downplaying. Mario is wall level with average human speed. Sonic is Multiversal with immeasurable speed. Sonic one taps the entire Mario Franchise. I stated objective facts.
Yeah this video was… very much a mixed bag. On one hand the editing was fantastic, and on the other the research was… well… bad. Mario’s stats are dramatically undersold, as are the rest of his capabilities (especially his laundry list of innate and artificial resistances). Which is most prevalent in how you treated the White Tanooki… The guy that can far more consistently shrug off lava with minor damage is suddenly oneshot in a massively superior form… Right… Not to mention the “heavy weakness” he supposedly has despite, again, consistently surviving lava and even having gear that provides immunity to fire. Also, you say Bowser hitting Starship Mario doesn’t count cause we don’t know if it was moving, but we see Bowser do the exact same thing to the Comet Observatory TWICE, when we explicitly know (and see) it was moving at the time. Which gets into the point that “light speed is a rarity” is a massive joke. There’s Mario being 100 years old which is… no… You say the Bros didn’t defeat Dreamy Bowser, even though they very much did. Forcing someone to upheave their magic meal after a prolonged beatdown is as definitively “defeated” as it gets. Also, there’s no indication the Dream Stone was weakened when Bowser inhaled it as he specifically inhaled every piece of the stone. You also say Mario is lacking in natural abilities, which is just so painfully not true. Even discounting shit from Mario Party, the dude just has so many abilities that don’t rely on items. And once you ARE including items, the dude just DRASTICALLY outpaces Sonic in sheer numbers. Because YES, Mario has ways to counter Time Stop and Dimensional Travel The weaknesses is also terrible as Mario has multiple methods of sending Sonic to water, has shrugged off far greater forces than anything in 64 without his hat coming off, and can CONSISTENTLY breath both underwater and in space. FAR more consistently than the small handful of games that say he can’t. Which then gets into the final point I’ll bring up. The use of canon was just… utterly terrible… You use media that’s explicitly separate continuities with dramatically different characters and origins, but then ignore stuff that’s literally just a branched timeline from the main canon. Hell, Paper Mario’s complete exclusion from the video is a laugh. Ignoring the consistency both prior to and following Paper Jam that the two are explicitly the same person (which I should note Paper Jam supports the evidence of), you don’t even use Paper Mario for scaling. Which, again, Paper Jam. Like, I wish I could say this video was incredible and deserves all the praise it’s getting as “better than the official death battle”, but I just can’t. The only thing definitively better was Sonic’s stats, which I’m sure is the reason a lot of people are praising this video so thoroughly :/
It's not even Sonic's stats that are the reason the video is getting praised *this* thoroughly... It's literally just because Sonic won, they could have put Mario at human level and Sonic at building as the peak for both and it wouldn't matter to those people, because the hedgehog beat the plumber. Now all that being said, I do think it is better than Mario vs Sonic 2018 for a few reasons (none of them having to do with the result). 1. The analysis portions are more extensive and overall cover a lot more than the official episode did. 2. The animation is overall far more respectful to both (Mario vs Sonic 2018's animation felt like a dorkly skit where Sonic gets bodied the entire time) 3. The animation goes over a lot more of both of their arsenals (not using enough of their arsenal's was one of my biggest problems with Mario vs Sonic 2018) 4. More info boxes (admittedly this one is kind of a joke, but I do really like the info boxes.) 5. The conclusion is *way* more in depth, and an in depth conclusion is something that's basically a necessity for Mario vs Sonic (especially considering just how close it is depending on what you buy for both)
@@CalebWhite-l6n admittedly, the reason I never talked about the animation is because I haven’t had the opportunity to watch it yet. I’m sure it is better than the one we got in the official rematch, though lmao And while the conclusion IS more in depth, I wouldn’t call it better overall considering how flawed the research is
@@CalebWhite-l6n k, got a chance to watch it and I gotta say the ending is about as goofy as I expected considering the White Tanooki research Also wasn’t a fan of how it started, considering Sonic’s just a douche for no reason. Like, he was a jerk in the official rematch too, but not as blatantly as he was here But otherwise yeah, it was a decent fight
Dude, YES I couldn't have said it better myself. Especially on the fact this is comp Sonic vs Mario not comp Mario. Sonic and his alts as you said are basically different characters if we are being honest but at every opportunity they used every feat under the sun for Sonic but downplayed Mario at what feels like every turn? Like seriously why are we still saying Paper Mario is NOT Mario? When it's been explained already that not only is it just Mario from stories of his adventures but Miamoto in a interview even said there aren't multiple Marios there's only the one. That to me says there is a clear bias towards Sonic. Boom Sonic is clearly not game Sonic, Archie Sonic is FOR SURE not game Sonic. I am not saying comps are a bad thing in general but this particular case just seem more like a gross amalgamation purely made to be unbeatable ignore the fact the different Sonic are more of their own character's compared to something like Mario and Paper Mario. It feels like something was made just so Sonic could win and not because it's genuinely the right outcome.
@@mastermario360 It wasn’t really Comp Sonic, but the combination of media was questionable at best… Like, the Super Show is being included for Mario, but not Sonic’s old cartoons? And though I didn’t really describe it, I was critiquing what was given to Mario as well. Like, he should NOT have been given Mario-kun. That is so beyond not canon Also they didn’t include Archie Sonic, so I’m not sure where you got that While I do think there’s a bit of disingenuousness to this conclusion, I will say I think Sonic was done decently well, if not also a bit downplayed (though nowhere near as badly as Mario)
There's so much wrong with this video bro, you guys downplayed mario so bad, and were wrong in so much cases. You fail to use paper mario, BUT tou use fleetway, and boom?? BOOM?? THE WEAKEST SONIC. Come on dawg 🙏🏽😭
I’m going in-depth on Mario vs Sonic in different layers, being: Game Mario vs Game Sonic Mario-Kun and why he stomps. Mario in base can fight beings capable of consuming all time and space(Culex in the remake), beings that can destroy all of existence(Super Dimentio), and a powered-up version of a guy who can fight those two(Dreamy Bowser). Sonic needs Emeralds minimum to do that. Mario continuity has all games canon, including Paper. There’s references to the first few Paper Mario games in Normal Mario games such as Mario Party 5. I’ll cut off AFTER Super Paper, but that’s the line. Mario can use a plunder chest, and two barter boxes, and steal every damn emerald just like that. Sonic would be on even footing with base Mario if he uses emeralds, meaning it’d require more power to kill him. Mario DOESN’T DIE IN 1-HIT to LAVA, as shown in Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, and Mario Odyssey(off the top of my head) so saying that in a game where he happens to die 1-tap to lava is the baseline for defeat is an anti-feat. The Mario cosmology ranges from having a 4D structure contained inside the universe(Mario Galaxy, I forget the name of the level), as well as being a multiverse from the infinite dream worlds in the dream Depot and in the infinite space. Mario’s white leaf power ups are immune to damage from Bowser who’s done the exact same feat strength as Mario for the most part, who is obviously stronger than lava. Sonic would be even until Mario decides to finally kick it up and use his insane stuff like the .5x boost to attack and halving of opponent’s attack power from the Quartz charm, the Invincibility Leaf, and/or just stealing Sonic’s shit with his Mario Party items.(Bottomless gloves = infinite power ups and items = infinite supply of stealing his crap) Now, moving on to Mario-Kun, Mario-Kun can fight his author, and ignore his plot manipulation in the comic(Bowser in that manga once stole the writer’s powers to make Mario lose), meaning Mario-Kun would not care if he was fighting even Archie, who has never canonically done that(There’s debunks for certain comics you might bring up, I’ll bring ‘em up as you lay them down), because Mario-Kun would just leave his comic, tear the pages, and go do something else with his time. I hope you engage.
That is a good amount of research, but considering Sonic’s speed is billions of times the speed of light in his super form, I doubt Mario would be even able to process anything before Sonic blitzes him. Sonic also fights The End in Sonic Frontiers, who embodies the literal manifestation of death (think Death from Puss in Boots). This is skeptical, but a line of dialogue shows that The End reads Sonic’s mind during their fight and sees all his past enemies, like Solaris, Time Eater, etc, and claims to be above them. Sonic is easily Multiversal in attack power. This is not even considering comics, where he could use the seven emeralds pretty much instantly to control fate and erase Mario’s existence
@@Cletus99 Again, Mario-Kun, leaves bounds of his realm, rips pages, Archie dies. Mario’s been known to be fast on his own, with stuff like keeping up with Zeekeeper, able to move in places without time, or moving when the void erased all existence in a certain area. A timeless zone. And since Mario can fight things above said existence destroyers and Time Space eaters, I think THE END would see into Mario’s mind and go “oh. Fuck. I lose this.” Like I said, Mario’s already Multiversal in attack power from my cosmology explanation. And for fate manip erasure, Mario can once again just yoink emeralds first off, or second off, simply refuse the wishes. Mario has fought people using wish granting powers, yet they never wish him from existence. OR, Mario equips Quartz Charm, immunity to instakill, no issues anymore. most of this stuff I already considered.
@@Dontemin I don’t think you understand my first and main point. Mario gets STATUED. Like, before Mario even had a thought, Sonic has landed ten thousand hits with the force that would destroy multiple universes. Sonic has also moved in areas where no time exists, and has escaped a pocket dimension of infinite space WITHOUT speed hacks like the emeralds The hacks you present would require time to pass and a moment for Mario to react. Yoinking the emeralds with Party hacks requires it to be “his turn” anyways and the process takes a few seconds at least. Sonic being massively faster than light would just obliterate Mario before he breathes (quartz charm applies to singular hits being an instakill, while Sonic could punch him thousands of times within a fraction of a second)
@@Cletus99 and YOU’RE underestimating Mario’s speed and saying that Super somehow stacks above time, despite never being shown. Sonic doesn’t f-ing speed blitz when he can already fight people able to traverse an infinite amount of universes(Mario Party 5, Bowser attempts to destroy all the infinite dreams, and was going to succeed. Mario is even in speed, and has the strength and durability to back himself up. Why are you trying to claim Super Sonic somehow is faster than that when he gets hit by lasers that steal the emeralds? Doesn’t sound like a massive speed boost to me.
@@Dontemin it is REALLY hard to actually take your argument seriously with things like Mario Party, cause it means that literally everything else in Mario scales to him pretty easily. You’re saying Toad and Boo also scale to what you’re saying. All the most powerful hacks you mention come from a literal board game. So sure, board game Mario wins against Goku and Superman and whoever else. I’m really just talking about Mainline Sonic, and if you compare mainline Mario, it’s not even hard for Sonic
Inconsistent. “Forgot” to show Canon Sonic touched = loses rings; hit again he dies. Animation is non-canon. You said Mario “WAY more experienced”: why hit by lava & Sonic isn’t? & No mention of Mario’s durability
I'll get the universal mario stuff out of the way as it's blatantly as hell. Mario scales to Wario and Wario is blatantly Universal as he fought the black jewel who destroyed the universe. And the og Japanese translation does go over space and time. As we'll. It wouldn't matter anyway as you used this line of scaling anyway.
By this videos own Logic you admit that this is basically comp mario vs comp sonic. Which is a rabbit hole in it of itself and if so then your lowballed the hell out of both still Mario more so. Even in the mario universe the paintings in peachs castle are parallel universea and mario can gain power from the power stars and you showed blatantly universal feats for mario. The multiversal stuff comes from dreams being stated to be their own universe. And them being infinite in size. I'll discuss this more on your podcast or whatever cause the downplay is actually horrendous
Yeah conclusion wasn't good at all either overall the animation was decent if I had to give an honest rank it, it's maybe a three just because of the animation
Oh boy i sure do love seeing people discuss in the coments trying to see who is the more "factual" about who is stronger between funny plumber man and blue fast hedgehog 🦧
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Added this video to my favorites before the fight even started. This editing's just way too good, man. The passion and creativity y'all put into every aspect of this project lowkey means everything to me! Great work, you guys :)
agreed
This show has potential to be the next DEATH BATTLE
You gave us the Mario vs Sonic 3 that Death Battle's too scared to make
@@mynameisntimportant1374 The research was accurate and stated facts. The lore was correct.
@Kriskirby1992 too scared were getting bowser vs Eggman 😭 this year what do u mean
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha 🥶 inconsistent
@@greenspeedser Nope. You are just a toxic Mario Fanboy throwing a temper tantrum.
@@greenspeedser Its clear that you don't know what the word "inconsistent" means.
This was really good as it used Music (and full clips) from the actual sources which Death Battle has stopped doing for a while. This give this video a welcome old school feel.
Bro you are SOOOOO underrated!
I hope you make it big :P
Thank you so much for the kind words! This'll probably be the only time we make something like this (it took hundreds of hours of work and so, so much money), but I'm so happy some people liked it!
😢@@LittleZbot
@@LittleZbot they make too much games that's why
What a post-credit scene
Damn this is way better than Mario vs. Sonic 2! The characters are actually respected, and points that go against that verdict are brought up here, like Mario not surviving the black hole in Galaxy. Good work guys!
This was great the fight was amazing really showing off both characters and move sets
@@mynameisntimportant1374You Ever Heard Of An Opinion Before?
@@mynameisntimportant1374 The Mario Franchise is garbage. All of your opinions are wrong.
@@CypherUltraKingSonic He is a toxic Mario Fanboy throwing a temper tantrum.
@@mynameisntimportant1374Quit being salty you big baby
This video is awesome I enjoyed everything about this video nice work
y'all better keep making episodes of this shit it's amazing
18:38 LMFAOOOO THE LAVA MECHANIC
In all seriousness, this is peak. Definitely better than whatever those sitty Mario vs. Sonic Death Battles were.
Awesome Video! Sonic is also a fan of Link and his franchise. So maybe they trained together.
This was a really fun video which makes it sad that all of the praise will be buried under angry comments about the result.
Honestly you guys did a great job, would love to see more of this!
This was a fun matchup (I still don't like how the manga's, Fleetway, possibly Sonic Boom was still used but Paper Mario/Archie isn't despite all 5 continuities having a somewhat (and for Sonic's cases, very) different Sonic's.) The animation was good, but where did Sonic find a lava pit? Nice usage of the black-box's though, using it for more context so people can guess who is the winner if their more attentive.
But yet they used mario manga version and you didn't say anything abput that so why are you complaining about them using other version of sonic?
@@AydenWilliams-z3k I noticed for both. Ironically, Mario got better stuff (the Manga’s), but got gag reasoning out of the feat.
And Super Mario Super Show (how did that get in but Mario + Rabbids failed)
Well, looking at it again, it’s even more inconsistent. KKKK wasn’t included but Super Show was. Sonic had Fleetway, but none of the manga incarnations were involved, nor his DIC shows.
On the 10th anniversary special, I commented: "This is the best LittleZbot video. I hope I never have to edit a better one."
This is the better one.
This is really well done! The analysis is just as good as the real death battle’s, that’s not easy to do! This show has potential!
Finally a Good Mario vs Sonic Death Battle that isn’t old or craps on Sonic. Good job!
@@mynameisntimportant1374shut up
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Nope. The video stated facts about Mario. You are just throwing a hissy fit. .
@@mynameisntimportant1374 he isnt deluding himself you are
@@mynameisntimportant1374They were pretty respectful to Mario even if I don't agree with everything here.
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775oh look its adnan the 1001 arabian nights feat abuser
two things, more accurate, and better than deathbattles. now I know this is a fan prodject and I'm sure you don't want people to backlash deathbattle, but I gotta say you did really well with this one. can you please make more stuff like this?
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Womp Womp. Mario is building level. Sonic stomps.
better animation, i agree. but accuracy? no
@@cuhTheEditor Ah you are the extremely toxic Mario Fanboy who thinks that Mario is omnipotent. Either Goku or Sonic stomps Mario kid. Just accept it.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha No, when did i ever say that? Mario is high outer. I debunked your ahh. I have evidence of it. Even tyler slammed ur ass. Come to my video again.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 no need to get too crazy in the comments
Mario was also breathing in space before the luma was even in him what 😂
@@mynameisntimportant1374 we'll what's your debunk?
@@mynameisntimportant1374 alright I'll look for it
That was way better then both of the death battle versions
Better animation than the first one, and better methodology than the second one. Even if some things shouldn't have been considered canon.
@@mynameisntimportant1374salty much 😔
@@datmooshroomguy4653bro's really mad that his boyfriend Mario didn't win 😂😂😂
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Literally nothing you said was a fact. Its a fact that Sonic beats Mario. You clearly don't know what the word "fact" means.
@@mastertjt56 Lmao
>people genuinely discussing stats/abilities/ectcetera about the actual matchup
>me confused on why the fuck SMBZ Super Star Mario was used when that's not even canon, and why Golden Tanooki went away on lava when its invincible to everything in the few games it appear
Also it's absolutely insanity that FLEETWAY AND MARIO-KUN are more reliable as sources than Archie Post Genesis, written by Ian mfing Flynn, and Mario+Rabbids, which has literal normal Mario on it.
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We go way more into detail on that stuff in our upcoming commentary, but bottom line is that this is a fan project for us first and foremost and we wanted to have fun with it! SMBZ Super Mario is the sprite most old animations of this style used to represent the super form (and the form itself IS canon!), so it seemed the best pick. Yeah, stuff like that makes it feel very homemade, but we were never trying to compete with Death Battle, just make something that payed some tribute to it.
Thanks for checking our little video out at all!
EDIT: We'll clarify our standards for what does and doesn't count more in Commentary and Podcast, but basically, even though it's post-Genesis wave, it's still explicitly a different Sonic with different history and powers. We probably would have talked about it if it wasn't also directly tied to a franchise that IS clearly seperate. It wasn't DISCOUNTED, per se, kinda like AoStH, but we weren't as comfortable including footage from it, whereas Fleetway is basically as reliable as Boom and Sonic X, it was just popular in a different country. Death Battle uses both X and Boom themselves (and often shows footage of Fleetway), so we personally saw no reason to arbitrarily discount Fleetway. Counting it never made an impact on the winner, just provided more interesting feats and footage, similar to Mario-kun. Mario+Rabbids is a crossover of questionable canonicity, which Death Battle doesn't count in their own show. If we did, it wouldn’t change anything, we'd just spend half of Mario's analysis talking about Rabbid scaling.
Basically, it's all opinion-based, but even if we threw all of it away, the winner wouldn't change in our eyes, so we wanted to include it. *shrug* Again, homemade product for our enjoyment.
@@rokim2194post gen sonic is op tho what rabbid mario gonna do
It's a fan-made thing, while I agree that doesn't make 100% sense, it's to sometimes be expected with unofficial works.
@@mynameisntimportant1374Y'all need to chill this is a youtube video xD
Although the stories were not good in most boost games with the exception of Unleashed and Frontiers, Sonic is a much more story focused and lore focused series than most platformers so it had a big advantage
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Sonic is the better franchise.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchihaThis is the reason u meat ride sonic. you tell us mario fans to skedaddle and u tell lies about me saying im toxic and i have mario at omnipotent? Then you crap on the whole company lmfao
Amazing video, guys i could say you guys had fun making it. Even though i can't say i agree with the research or the explanation, that doesn't mean i can't have fun.
On that note, are we not going to talk about how much of a jerk sonic is 😂
Getting sick of "Paper mario isn't mario" treatment when Paper mario is just a storybook version Mario's adventure
Paper Mario was a separate character from the two brothers in " Mario and Luigi: Paper jam " one of the rpg games, cementing them as separate entities.
Not to diss you or anything, it confuses me too.
@Tyler-q3k i know about paper jam. I'm just saying that Paper mario is just an illustration of what already happened in Mario's story because there's multiple instances of them being the same.
Peach castle in the sky in mario Kart
Goomboss first appearance in paper mario to sm64ds and mario kart ds
Luigi mansion in paper mario
Luigi misses playing sports and parties in his dairy
Paper mario block being in mario and luigi.
And many more instances, but the main point is paper mario was always a storybook, and something couldn't be created if it never happened before
@TCBlueFire that's a good point, Mario probably could do things like that, although it IS pretty weird that there's entire reality in some random book in the castle, makes you wonder what else Peach is hiding. 🤔
I mean like, he isn’t him tho. Paper Mario is Mario in the sense they share all the same attributes and whatnot, but he’s a different character: specifically existing separately from the real Mario inside of a storybook. It’s like saying that Spider-Man and Tom Holland are the same person because the look, act, and sound the same, but one is just a copy of the other inside of a piece of fiction. Even in the lore, they are two separate people. Lots of overlap in their worlds, but separate worlds nonetheless
@@Tyler-q3k Paper Mario is literally Mario tho this is proven throughout the games and Paper Mario is a direct sequel to SMRPG if you had the game guide that game with the game it even tells you ''Mario is back but this time in this new Paper Style Adventure'
Okay so lemme just start out by saying W video. It looks to good to not be a series but I already know this shit took forever to make so I understand why you didn’t continue it. Now with that being said:
1. I very much appreciate you guys for giving Sonic the W for this debate. And I’m even more grateful that yall respected both characters even after the fact and what not saying this is a form of celebration of both the characters. You did more respect than most of us will ever do which is especially hard for me because a certain someone loves to glaze the other character a little too much. So I really respect you for that.
2.Now as much as I loved the analysis in the video, I gotta say when you said respect the medias that fit the original character’s narrative you kinda went against that. Which is honestly fine because death battle does that all the time😂 but without being said I laughed so hard when you were showing Mario kun and Sonic Boom feats only because it caught me off guard. Then again out what’s canon or not is just a whole other analogy so I could just be rambling for no reason.
3.What software are you using to make this look like the original death battle show because it’s really accurate. Maybe not all the way accurate with all the more expensive quality research they have on the side but still spot on nonetheless. And the animation is really good. Whoever animated that animation I really hope they make it big.
I say all this to say you earned a new subscriber, and also sorry if my comment is a goddamn bible verse. But I really liked the video.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 You literally didn't debunk anything. You just threw a temper tantrum. Everyone already knows that you are a toxic Mario Fanboy trolling.
@@mynameisntimportant1374you literally commented 12 times, quit coping
@@mynameisntimportant1374
Do you think having no life aside from arguing on the internet writing paragraphs to people who don’t care is a flex?
wtf did I come back to💀
@@TheBlackFelinefromtheend A Toxic Mario Fanboy known as mynameisntimportant who goes screaming insults, throwing temper tantrums, spamming childish rants and ranting about how he thinks that Mario is omnipotent but no one is taking him seriously.
Sonic just started beefing with Mario for no reason 💀
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They were using fleetway sonic so it makes sense
Idk why people are getting mad even tho you made it fair by adding different version of each characters but thank you you did way better thqn death battle
@@mynameisntimportant1374where is proof that I got paid to say that?
@@AydenWilliams-z3k He is just a toxic Mario Fanboy throwing a temper tantrum.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Its clear that you are an NPC Bot that Nintendo paid you to keep trolling in the comments.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha fr bro mario fans can't be talking about sonic fans being toxic when there the one trying to make up shut say "oh he used a different version of sonic" when they used Manga feats and show feats for mario. Mario fans be yapping for no reason
@@AydenWilliams-z3k we can debate it.
I think game Sonic was bound to win.
His feats especially in his super form as far greater than Marios.
Although without the chaos emeralds/ other super adjacent forms, Mario would win.
But I'm happy to see a fight that uses a large amount of both Mario's and Sonics tool kit.
And FINALLY SOMEONE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE WHITE LEAF SUIT HAS LAVA WEAKNESSES
"Far greater than Mario's" You have Proof?
White suit technically can resist lava, it’s just that it can’t in games because lava is a death barrier which cannot be avoided even by cheating. same thing with super sonic in sonic superstars.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Can you please provide one? And remember when I say super sonic feats I am referring to his god killing ones.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 So what has Mario done thats greater than super sonic?
@@mynameisntimportant1374not really because game Sonic has done a lot more compared to Mario. Like damn near outrunning a Black Hole, tanking hits from many god/ancient like beings, not to mention his speed, also even without the other forms, Super Sonic is more than enough.
Mario does have his fair share of feats like his constantly changing fights with Bowser, discovering new abilities, and so on. But in comparison, it is a bit lesser than Sonic's
This is actually a very good start. Finally, the truth.
not the truth. mario actually stomps
@@cuhTheEditor mario barely has any good feats other then most galaxy feats
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 The galaxy feats are one of his best.
Yo, what a great video!
Thank you for an accurate assessment of the Galaxy ending.
Fight was rad. I didnt care for putting in Fleetway or Super Show, but the draws for canon are always inconsistent with these anyway.
Totally agree Mario gets wrecked in lava, though. And its hilarious you mentioned he dies without his hat.
Mario dying in lava is a gameplay mechanic
@@mynameisntimportant1374 It was completely accurate.
not accurate
@@cuhTheEditor The video is completely accurate.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha i love the animation. im honest. but i dont agree with the outcome
Honestly, I think this just goes to show that anyone can make a better episode than the 2018 fight
Sonic not calling Mario tubby for no reason
Mario not being out of character
Using their powerups to their full potential etc
Thanks bros, you need to be in death battle
This good
"I hope this video doesn't get popular." Too late
Sonic: Meh he'll be back.
Good Video. Your Death Battle is far superior to anything from the Official Death Battle Channel.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Nope. You are just a toxic Mario Fanboy throwing a temper tantrum because your favorite character lost.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha "anything from the official channel" is crazy 💀💀💀
The entirety of season 10 kinda clears NGL Wiz.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha Trunks vs Silver: ¿I'm a Joke for You? (Silver Won)
@@fabsbars3674 The End Result Silver won yes. They still downplayed Silver's abilities while massively exaggerating Trunks' abilities.
@@fabsbars3674 And there are still the many times that Sonic Characters lost due to inaccurate "research" from Death Battle.
Pitting Sonic against Kirby or Bayonetta would have probably been a more fair fight. Mario is powerful in his own right, but Sonic has fought gods.
Yall cannot stop arguing
even though I still think Mario takes it, cannot deny the cooking y’all did
keep up the good work 👍👍👍
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EDIT: We'll do our best to address some more in-depth questions in the behind-the-scenes later, but to clarify the point that most people seem to be confused by: We used and counted franchises and content that Death Battle themselves have used, _exclusively_ . Boom Sonic, Sonic X, the Super Show, the Mario American and EU Comics, all of that can be seen frequently in virtually any modern Sonic or Mario Death Battle. The official show counts all of it. Mario-kun is used in Mario VS Sonic 2018, Fleetway Sonic is used in Metal Sonic VS Zero, and if you're angry with us not counting Paper Mario, don't take it up with us, take it up with the Black Tab in Mario VS Sonic 2018 that explicitly bans it.
If this was our own versus show with our own rules, we might have (and probably would have) counted things differently. But it's not. It's a fan-made Death Battle, so we used what Death Battle themselves use. Similarly, all non-canon material was counted as supporting material. Nothing was shown that isn't supported by mainline games, with exception only to one or two fun features that never mattered regarding a victor, such as the Master Mushroom Sword. Super Mario, for example, is a canon form, it just isn't shown much. The Predicto feat is actually far _less_ impressive than Sonic doing the exact same thing to Sage in Sonic Frontiers. et cetera and et cetera. While it was fun to show off and talk about, nothing that played a role in figuring out the victor was non-canon exclusive.
There are a lot more questions, arguments, and points/counterpoints that require more in-depth discussion, but this is something we can explain easily and right away. If Death Battle counts it, so did we. It... really is that simple.
*EDIT: Please note that everything regarding our Death Battle, including the behind-the-scenes material, was created before Bowser VS Eggman! While we were faithful to the material Death Battle allowed and disallowed at the time of creating our video, the allowed material was changed with Bowser VS Eggman. They now allow Paper Mario, and don't allow Mario-Kun.*
*Please note again, that this is a fan-made Death Battle. If our episode was made after Bowser VS Eggman, we would have abided by their updated research.*
I think you’re wrong.
@@Dontemin cope
@@Kriskirby1992 Didn’t see my actual comment, did you
"No way"
Make More!
The downplay is insane
Impressive tho i can't lie i have my criticism but this is still good
Mario and paper Mario are pretty blatantly the same guy, ngl.
Is this the moment, where we pretend PaperJam didn't existed?
@@Skankhunt1412 paper jam is in fact the inconsistency not the other way around. In fact paper jam only further proves Mario and paper Mario are the same guy, firstly it proves the analogy that the paper Mario games are just Mario’s past adventures being retold in a story as we see paper Mario come out of a book in that game and it’s never stated to be a alternate universe not to mention the consistent statements from authorities like Nintendo supporting them being the same and consistent statements within the series which practically confirm both are the same person, such as the paper Mario games being referred to as some of Mario’s past adventures or how art style changes in Mario are canonical or how the paper Mario games themselves literally reference other mario games as past events, heck mario is never once called “paper mario” in the paper mario games or offical material it’s just Mario. So using paper jam as “proof” only really further supports them being the same entity.
@@firepuglord8616
this is literal proof that they're the same character.
this is why sonic fans shouldn't be scaling mario because they will have biases about its continuity nor care about Mario's canon while Mario fans.
thecodex.wiki/User:DatOneWeeb/Paper_Mario's_Canonicity
@@firepuglord8616 Golden Tanooki Mario dying from lava as a weakness is the dumbest argument yet. Lava is coded like falling into a pit.
in other words, it's only a game mechanic on why he dies from lava.
@@RetroGAME yeah I know, Mario always bodied sonic lol, it was never close.
How is this debate still going?
Sadly, there's always, and i mean ALWAYS, something the respective fans want to prove to each other. An endless tug war.
To put it simply...
Probably because it's way too close to have a definitive winner to end the debate.
This is the outcome we waited for.
Desth battle never gave the blue blur the attention he needed nor mario,
They downscaled both.
But overall this is the most accurate fanmade death battle I saw.
accurate? mario cooks sonic
Ermmm actually ☝️🤓
@@cuhTheEditor shut up mario meatrider. Hop off his d###
@@TheBlackFelinefromtheend me or him
17:51 wait what? oh boy i gotta get out of here 0_o
Good video tho
The Mario Downplay was crazy, at least the fight was good.
Womp womp
@@mynameisntimportant1374 The only one coping is you. If anything Sonic was downplayed. Mario is building level at best. You can keep throwing a temper tantrum.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchihaNah, Mario is way higher then building but he wasn’t really downplayed that much in the video.
@@Kirby-ri6dh Mario wasn't downplayed at all.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 agreed
Great stuff. One slight criticism would be to further clarify what is and isn’t canon. It’s a little strange to see so many different iterations of characters talked about, and there’s a lot of inconsistencies between each piece of media (ex, using Mario from Super Show/Movie and the Games concurrently when they have different backstories, basically different characters). Perhaps pick a particular iteration of the character, like perhaps Paper Mario and Archie Sonic and only use those sources… although that’s been done before. Good production, good VA work and narration. If you just keep your source material to a single series, you’d be much better off
The true result tbh (im a mario fan)
When did jump man ever use a sword? Also what form of super sonic was that? Plus why are comic / manga trops being added into the game Canon? Those are two different characters and continuities.
that was excalibur sonic the one with the golden armour
@@ninlaw9810I said jump man not sonic
well I'll be honest Mario vs sonic 3 is not complete Mario should use pure hearts and a flower woman Since it's not a complete fight, I'm sorry it's not going to be a match.
If sonic went super and waited 15 seconds it wouldve been GG
But also how did Mario counter or dodge any of sonics attacks and how did sonic get hit by any of Mario’s attacks???
Content. They actually told, that mario wouldn't really have anything to do against Sonic.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Wow everything you said is completely wrong. The Super Star lasts 10 seconds at best.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha superstar mario can fly as well as super sonic
@@cuhTheEditor
So? He can’t fly nearly as fast as
Although I do understand Mario may have been tired and a bit “out of options”, but, based on Hyper Sonic’s blast appearing to be jumpable, I wonder as to why Mario didn’t think of jumping, the height of his jump should be able to dodge the attack right? I’d like to hear anybody’s thoughts on the matter. (without being biased, please, I love both Mario and Sonic, and as much as I love Mario more, I do begin to agree that Mario doesn’t have many options against Sonic’s speed and super forms for long. But, based on what I saw, it took Sonic a few seconds to charge up the blast, and so that being said, shouldn’t that have given Mario enough time to think about jumping and actually jump to avoid the attack which appears avoidable?)
Another thing I noticed, I do understand that Mario may not thought about it when he was smacked against the rocks which propelled him to the lava, but in that time to being in the air, could Mario perhaps have used that second to use his tanooki tail to quickly glide back onto the rocks? Mario has managed to dodge attacks in this fight before, and so, perhaps he could dodge and get behind Sonic so that he can stay away from where the lava is?
Despite Sonic being faster, as said before, Mario has managed to dodge his attacks before, and so, he wouldn’t exactly be cornered if he is given time to think, and in the seconds that it takes Sonic to charge a blast, I don’t believe Mario would be standing there cowering, he’d do something to avoid it.
Perhaps he would use the Starman (Not for the Yellow and White Supermode, the one where he’d be invincible for a short period of time) to run into the blast and be fine as he is indeed invincible in that form, and perhaps could have attacked Sonic who is still releasing the last bit of the blast.
We all know that Mario can have multiple of the same item (take the platformer games for example, the one I’m thinking of is Super Mario Bros. Wii). And so, instead of him changing from one item to a different one, he shall use all of the duplicate items to his disposal
In this fight to see what more he can with them. The one thing he can sure as hell do is have multiple double cherries, and although they may be “mindless”, they would have the same power level as the main Mario would, and so, perhaps they would all share the same item (whichever one allows him to move faster and is stronger) and use them on a strong/quick and coordinated attack on Sonic. Although Sonic has defeated begins who have indeed tried to fight him all at once and still lost, Mario is not like them, being stronger and faster, now imagine multiple duplicates of him.
These are just simply my thoughts on what I believe Mario could have done to last longer in the fight, as when I think about it, I do not understand as to why Mario would simply being standing there in fear as Hyper Sonic charges up his energy blast which took quite a bit to fully and dramatically charge, when Mario could have done something to avoid it.
Thanks for being so cordial in your response! It's important to realize that the animation does NOT determine the victor. It’s just a fun extra to show off how certain things might interact. And, as much as it'd be nice, sadly, animation does not pop into reality just by imagining it. It's hundreds of hours of work and very expensive, and we wanted a definitive ending that didn't feel cheap, which is why we framed it as Hyper Sonic outmatching Mario's three trump cards in a row.
Of course, realistically by this research, Mario would have ways to continue the fight, but also realistically, if we were going by the stats labelled in this video, Mario wouldn’t even see Sonic the entire fight long, much less Hyper Sonic. But that's no fun! This fit our purposes, perhaps not perfectly, but as well as we could possibly manage without being literally funded by a million-dollar company.
damn i dont agree with the verdict at all but frankly idgaf because we got a new mario vs sonic animation to be discovered and enjoyed by generations of middle school kids to come😌😌😌
As a fan of both series..well okay. Confidentially, while i personally disagree with using stuff like fleetway, Mario-Kun, etc as canon sources, i think this is accurate. The animation was really nice, and i think that both would probably be pretty even in alot of ways. My own personal grip i have is that hyper sonic is a bit odd to use. I understand that if Super is already busted as is, Hyper should be the same way if not stronger, but its weird since Hyper was only used in the classic era, but has yet to appear in the modern games, making me believe that Super was much more powerful then hyper. Simlarly with White Tanooki Mario being used. I would argue things like the metal cap are stronger then white tanooki mario since WT Mario can die or disappear with lava, but the metal cap allows mario to lava bounce without causing damage to Mario. Other then that, i like this overall.
And also, one point I should state before people mention it. Yes, Mario can breathe in space. Now granted titles like Super Mario Wonder, Super Mario land 2, and...I think one other title has shown Mario needing a space helmet or in the case of wonder needs him to hold his breath for a while, but titles like Super Mario World, the galaxy titles (without using Luma since the luma increases striking strength, not gives Mario the power to breath in space), the NSMB games of all series's, Super Mario Odyssey (the space suit is more of a costume Mario can wear.), the Mario Party games (since it is a series that was used in this fight.), and technically SMRPG since Culex is in a pocket dimension where stars are around. Granted, SMRPG is a bit of a loose connection since..well Culex is Culex, but Mario can breathe in space more times than not.
17:51 Haynesper Mario?
Sonic being able to outrun a black hole the destroyed "existence" as we'll is vague as hell. Existence could just mean a country for all we know prove it ment universe
I Disagree.Mario Wins (Pls Don't Aruge With Me)
I stand by what critiques I brought up in the original comment, but I finally realized what rubs me wrong the most about this video, and that’s the unabashed narrative of Sonic being specifically designed to kill not just Mario, but Nintendo as a company.
And this is just annoying, not only because it’s explicitly false, but it makes it kinda clear why Mario’s research is so lacking
You bring it up four separate times (that I noticed), when introducing Sonic in the intro, when introducing Sonic in his analysis, when bringing up Sonic’s elemental gear, and a bit before bringing up Chaos Energy. You also bring up him being Mario’s rival in the conclusion. Even the end of Mario’s analysis leans into this supposed narrative, which again, I need to note DOES NOT EXIST.
Sonic was not created to kill Nintendo. He was merely made to RIVAL Mario. But even if he WAS created to kill Nintendo, he FAILED, which makes this theme being so central to this entire video utterly pointless. It just comes off as disingenuous and even a bit biased.
Finally a good death battle
@@mynameisntimportant1374 analysis point and animation point
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Its clear that you know nothing about the Mario Series or Sonic Series. Both the analysis and animation are good.
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Finally sonic got the win death battle took from him back in 2018 let's gooooooooooooo!!!
@@mynameisntimportant1374 I think sonic deserved to take this one.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Mario is building level. You can keep throwing a temper tantrum. Sonic stomps.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha ok Mario is not building level but yeah sonic wins
@@mynameisntimportant1374*Maybe, maybe not
Mario is NOT building level. ☠️
i completely disagree with rule number 4 it should be changed to: only canon materials of the canon characters should be used for example game mario, game sonic & comic wolverine, unless non-canon materials must be used for the non-canon counterparts such as for example paper mario, archie sonic & fox"s wolverine
true true, although paper mario = game mario
To be honest I think this fight would just last a couple of seconds because sonic would just speed blitz mario.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Mario is average human speed at best. Sonic blitzes with ease. Mario is building level at best. Sonic is multiversal at least. Sonic stomps.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Nope. You are just ranting nonsense. I stated facts. You are the only one downplaying. Mario is wall level with average human speed. Sonic is Multiversal with immeasurable speed. Sonic one taps the entire Mario Franchise. I stated objective facts.
Mario has immeasurable speed and u can rat him above
@@cuhTheEditor Mario has transsonic speed at best.
@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha ok. mario moved in a superspace. is that enough?
Próximo precisa ser um Goku vs Sonic PORFAVOR!
Yeah this video was… very much a mixed bag. On one hand the editing was fantastic, and on the other the research was… well… bad.
Mario’s stats are dramatically undersold, as are the rest of his capabilities (especially his laundry list of innate and artificial resistances). Which is most prevalent in how you treated the White Tanooki…
The guy that can far more consistently shrug off lava with minor damage is suddenly oneshot in a massively superior form… Right… Not to mention the “heavy weakness” he supposedly has despite, again, consistently surviving lava and even having gear that provides immunity to fire.
Also, you say Bowser hitting Starship Mario doesn’t count cause we don’t know if it was moving, but we see Bowser do the exact same thing to the Comet Observatory TWICE, when we explicitly know (and see) it was moving at the time. Which gets into the point that “light speed is a rarity” is a massive joke.
There’s Mario being 100 years old which is… no…
You say the Bros didn’t defeat Dreamy Bowser, even though they very much did. Forcing someone to upheave their magic meal after a prolonged beatdown is as definitively “defeated” as it gets. Also, there’s no indication the Dream Stone was weakened when Bowser inhaled it as he specifically inhaled every piece of the stone.
You also say Mario is lacking in natural abilities, which is just so painfully not true. Even discounting shit from Mario Party, the dude just has so many abilities that don’t rely on items. And once you ARE including items, the dude just DRASTICALLY outpaces Sonic in sheer numbers. Because YES, Mario has ways to counter Time Stop and Dimensional Travel
The weaknesses is also terrible as Mario has multiple methods of sending Sonic to water, has shrugged off far greater forces than anything in 64 without his hat coming off, and can CONSISTENTLY breath both underwater and in space. FAR more consistently than the small handful of games that say he can’t.
Which then gets into the final point I’ll bring up. The use of canon was just… utterly terrible… You use media that’s explicitly separate continuities with dramatically different characters and origins, but then ignore stuff that’s literally just a branched timeline from the main canon. Hell, Paper Mario’s complete exclusion from the video is a laugh. Ignoring the consistency both prior to and following Paper Jam that the two are explicitly the same person (which I should note Paper Jam supports the evidence of), you don’t even use Paper Mario for scaling. Which, again, Paper Jam.
Like, I wish I could say this video was incredible and deserves all the praise it’s getting as “better than the official death battle”, but I just can’t. The only thing definitively better was Sonic’s stats, which I’m sure is the reason a lot of people are praising this video so thoroughly :/
It's not even Sonic's stats that are the reason the video is getting praised *this* thoroughly...
It's literally just because Sonic won, they could have put Mario at human level and Sonic at building as the peak for both and it wouldn't matter to those people, because the hedgehog beat the plumber.
Now all that being said, I do think it is better than Mario vs Sonic 2018 for a few reasons (none of them having to do with the result).
1. The analysis portions are more extensive and overall cover a lot more than the official episode did.
2. The animation is overall far more respectful to both (Mario vs Sonic 2018's animation felt like a dorkly skit where Sonic gets bodied the entire time)
3. The animation goes over a lot more of both of their arsenals (not using enough of their arsenal's was one of my biggest problems with Mario vs Sonic 2018)
4. More info boxes (admittedly this one is kind of a joke, but I do really like the info boxes.)
5. The conclusion is *way* more in depth, and an in depth conclusion is something that's basically a necessity for Mario vs Sonic (especially considering just how close it is depending on what you buy for both)
@@CalebWhite-l6n admittedly, the reason I never talked about the animation is because I haven’t had the opportunity to watch it yet. I’m sure it is better than the one we got in the official rematch, though lmao
And while the conclusion IS more in depth, I wouldn’t call it better overall considering how flawed the research is
@@CalebWhite-l6n k, got a chance to watch it and I gotta say the ending is about as goofy as I expected considering the White Tanooki research
Also wasn’t a fan of how it started, considering Sonic’s just a douche for no reason. Like, he was a jerk in the official rematch too, but not as blatantly as he was here
But otherwise yeah, it was a decent fight
Dude, YES I couldn't have said it better myself. Especially on the fact this is comp Sonic vs Mario not comp Mario. Sonic and his alts as you said are basically different characters if we are being honest but at every opportunity they used every feat under the sun for Sonic but downplayed Mario at what feels like every turn? Like seriously why are we still saying Paper Mario is NOT Mario? When it's been explained already that not only is it just Mario from stories of his adventures but Miamoto in a interview even said there aren't multiple Marios there's only the one.
That to me says there is a clear bias towards Sonic. Boom Sonic is clearly not game Sonic, Archie Sonic is FOR SURE not game Sonic. I am not saying comps are a bad thing in general but this particular case just seem more like a gross amalgamation purely made to be unbeatable ignore the fact the different Sonic are more of their own character's compared to something like Mario and Paper Mario. It feels like something was made just so Sonic could win and not because it's genuinely the right outcome.
@@mastermario360 It wasn’t really Comp Sonic, but the combination of media was questionable at best…
Like, the Super Show is being included for Mario, but not Sonic’s old cartoons?
And though I didn’t really describe it, I was critiquing what was given to Mario as well. Like, he should NOT have been given Mario-kun. That is so beyond not canon
Also they didn’t include Archie Sonic, so I’m not sure where you got that
While I do think there’s a bit of disingenuousness to this conclusion, I will say I think Sonic was done decently well, if not also a bit downplayed (though nowhere near as badly as Mario)
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proceed to use comics manga cartoons anyways
The sonic boom part is weird because Sega did say boom was Canon and if you don’t believe me in frontiers tears, they mention sticks from sonic boom
@@CypherUltraKingSonic
oh yeah I cannot forgot
it's kind of weird that they mentioned sticks though 🤔
@@mynameisntimportant1374 You can keep throwing a temper tantrum. You were still proven wrong.
I honestly like this match up i agree with sonic winning good job
There's so much wrong with this video bro, you guys downplayed mario so bad, and were wrong in so much cases. You fail to use paper mario, BUT tou use fleetway, and boom?? BOOM?? THE WEAKEST SONIC. Come on dawg 🙏🏽😭
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Nope. Mario is just building level and transsonic at best. Any version of Sonic stomps.
See this is how you do death battle criticism, make your own version instead of mindlessly talking
i agree with this outcome
reasons?
@@cuhTheEditor sonic would win
@@sijrben reasons?
@@cuhTheEditor he's really fast
@@sijrben thats it?☠️
"Mario can't breathe in space without a luma" procceds to show mario bretahing in space without a luma
Is this with archi sonic? Because if it is then Sonic wins with no dif
17:31 smbz?
Idea for a episode how about internet minecraft villager battle royale
Mojojojo vs bower jr
I was about to say if sonic doesn’t blitz Mario
Sonic bias is crazy
Its because he doesn't for a million reasons , but okay ig
@@greenspeedser Its pretty clear that you Mario Fans are the ones who are biased.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Mario is transonic at best and never met a speedster. Sonic is FTL are bare minimum.
@@saidzilla226 Thanks for confirming that you know nothing about either series.
You use comics that isn't canon and boom come on dawg
No strength category 😅
5:51 4:56 be quiet he used different version of mario two idk why your act like they didn't make this fair
@@AydenWilliams-z3kThey are inconsistent that’s the issue
@@MultiMario2306 how would you do it then
@@AydenWilliams-z3k Games strictly and none of comics and Manga
Denver nuggets vs nicki minaj
i kinda hate how this is comp mario and sonic
I’m going in-depth on Mario vs Sonic in different layers, being:
Game Mario vs Game Sonic
Mario-Kun and why he stomps.
Mario in base can fight beings capable of consuming all time and space(Culex in the remake), beings that can destroy all of existence(Super Dimentio), and a powered-up version of a guy who can fight those two(Dreamy Bowser). Sonic needs Emeralds minimum to do that. Mario continuity has all games canon, including Paper. There’s references to the first few Paper Mario games in Normal Mario games such as Mario Party 5.
I’ll cut off AFTER Super Paper, but that’s the line. Mario can use a plunder chest, and two barter boxes, and steal every damn emerald just like that. Sonic would be on even footing with base Mario if he uses emeralds, meaning it’d require more power to kill him. Mario DOESN’T DIE IN 1-HIT to LAVA, as shown in Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, and Mario Odyssey(off the top of my head) so saying that in a game where he happens to die 1-tap to lava is the baseline for defeat is an anti-feat.
The Mario cosmology ranges from having a 4D structure contained inside the universe(Mario Galaxy, I forget the name of the level), as well as being a multiverse from the infinite dream worlds in the dream Depot and in the infinite space. Mario’s white leaf power ups are immune to damage from Bowser who’s done the exact same feat strength as Mario for the most part, who is obviously stronger than lava.
Sonic would be even until Mario decides to finally kick it up and use his insane stuff like the .5x boost to attack and halving of opponent’s attack power from the Quartz charm, the Invincibility Leaf, and/or just stealing Sonic’s shit with his Mario Party items.(Bottomless gloves = infinite power ups and items = infinite supply of stealing his crap)
Now, moving on to Mario-Kun, Mario-Kun can fight his author, and ignore his plot manipulation in the comic(Bowser in that manga once stole the writer’s powers to make Mario lose), meaning Mario-Kun would not care if he was fighting even Archie, who has never canonically done that(There’s debunks for certain comics you might bring up, I’ll bring ‘em up as you lay them down), because Mario-Kun would just leave his comic, tear the pages, and go do something else with his time.
I hope you engage.
That is a good amount of research, but considering Sonic’s speed is billions of times the speed of light in his super form, I doubt Mario would be even able to process anything before Sonic blitzes him.
Sonic also fights The End in Sonic Frontiers, who embodies the literal manifestation of death (think Death from Puss in Boots). This is skeptical, but a line of dialogue shows that The End reads Sonic’s mind during their fight and sees all his past enemies, like Solaris, Time Eater, etc, and claims to be above them. Sonic is easily Multiversal in attack power.
This is not even considering comics, where he could use the seven emeralds pretty much instantly to control fate and erase Mario’s existence
@@Cletus99 Again, Mario-Kun, leaves bounds of his realm, rips pages, Archie dies.
Mario’s been known to be fast on his own, with stuff like keeping up with Zeekeeper, able to move in places without time, or moving when the void erased all existence in a certain area. A timeless zone. And since Mario can fight things above said existence destroyers and Time Space eaters, I think THE END would see into Mario’s mind and go “oh. Fuck. I lose this.”
Like I said, Mario’s already Multiversal in attack power from my cosmology explanation.
And for fate manip erasure, Mario can once again just yoink emeralds first off, or second off, simply refuse the wishes. Mario has fought people using wish granting powers, yet they never wish him from existence. OR, Mario equips Quartz Charm, immunity to instakill, no issues anymore.
most of this stuff I already considered.
@@Dontemin I don’t think you understand my first and main point. Mario gets STATUED. Like, before Mario even had a thought, Sonic has landed ten thousand hits with the force that would destroy multiple universes. Sonic has also moved in areas where no time exists, and has escaped a pocket dimension of infinite space WITHOUT speed hacks like the emeralds
The hacks you present would require time to pass and a moment for Mario to react. Yoinking the emeralds with Party hacks requires it to be “his turn” anyways and the process takes a few seconds at least. Sonic being massively faster than light would just obliterate Mario before he breathes (quartz charm applies to singular hits being an instakill, while Sonic could punch him thousands of times within a fraction of a second)
@@Cletus99 and YOU’RE underestimating Mario’s speed and saying that Super somehow stacks above time, despite never being shown. Sonic doesn’t f-ing speed blitz when he can already fight people able to traverse an infinite amount of universes(Mario Party 5, Bowser attempts to destroy all the infinite dreams, and was going to succeed. Mario is even in speed, and has the strength and durability to back himself up.
Why are you trying to claim Super Sonic somehow is faster than that when he gets hit by lasers that steal the emeralds? Doesn’t sound like a massive speed boost to me.
@@Dontemin it is REALLY hard to actually take your argument seriously with things like Mario Party, cause it means that literally everything else in Mario scales to him pretty easily. You’re saying Toad and Boo also scale to what you’re saying. All the most powerful hacks you mention come from a literal board game. So sure, board game Mario wins against Goku and Superman and whoever else. I’m really just talking about Mainline Sonic, and if you compare mainline Mario, it’s not even hard for Sonic
This is way better than death battle ty
death battle did sonic very bad
@@mynameisntimportant1374 nuh uh
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Mario needed help from rosalina to tank black hole and sonic didn't need help
Second
Inconsistent. “Forgot” to show Canon Sonic touched = loses rings; hit again he dies. Animation is non-canon. You said Mario “WAY more experienced”: why hit by lava & Sonic isn’t? & No mention of Mario’s durability
this is like death battle but better 😮😂😊
Mario 😂 18:53
I'll get the universal mario stuff out of the way as it's blatantly as hell. Mario scales to Wario and Wario is blatantly Universal as he fought the black jewel who destroyed the universe. And the og Japanese translation does go over space and time. As we'll. It wouldn't matter anyway as you used this line of scaling anyway.
Also the mario downplay is insane in this "Mario can't resist sonics time hax" mario has move in stopped time and has ways to travel through it
I think we found a better , honest, and less bias, and more reliable replacement for Death Battle
True
this is huge bias. he used a one shot anti-feat + gameplay mechanic to downplay mario
@@cuhTheEditor Mario is that you?
By this videos own Logic you admit that this is basically comp mario vs comp sonic. Which is a rabbit hole in it of itself and if so then your lowballed the hell out of both still Mario more so. Even in the mario universe the paintings in peachs castle are parallel universea and mario can gain power from the power stars and you showed blatantly universal feats for mario. The multiversal stuff comes from dreams being stated to be their own universe. And them being infinite in size. I'll discuss this more on your podcast or whatever cause the downplay is actually horrendous
I may disagree but this is peak
And nither can win against kirby so it means nothing in the end
Na wrong stupid Mario win 😂
The only thing imo thats right is the winner the scaling by both is all over the place tbh
Also mario can't breath in space 💀💀
Yeah conclusion wasn't good at all either overall the animation was decent if I had to give an honest rank it, it's maybe a three just because of the animation
@@mynameisntimportant1374 Sonic stomps.
@@mynameisntimportant1374 You can keep crying.
@@vegitoblue4601 mario can breathe in space lmfao. play super mario galaxy
Oh boy i sure do love seeing people discuss in the coments trying to see who is the more "factual" about who is stronger between funny plumber man and blue fast hedgehog 🦧