Fractal Terra case i7-14700kf ASUS RTX 4080 proart Coolermaster 1100 watt SFF psu Noctua nh l9x65 1 noctua exhaust fan a12x15 Some RGB Corsair Ram 32gb Call of duty warzone: 100•C cpu Other games: 60-80•C cpu GPU range 40-70
Congrats on the build! My issues weren't with gaming, they were more for video editing and exporting. Glad you could set this up in a way that works for you !
I have nearly the same build. i7 14700k Asus RTX 4070 Ti proart Corsair sf1000 psu ID cooling is-55 cooler replaced fan with Noctua fan And 2 exhaust fans at the bottom. Highest I got was 87•C on Warzone. Although my pc is abit loud I still enjoy the build.
@@Viquor that’s great temps. I switched to the noctua L12Sx77 (the one with the fan on the bottom of the heatsink) and it significantly reduced noise. This also dropped my temps by 5-10 degrees.
@@kyle_munoz I was able to mount 2 corsair 120 slim fans with grills outside on the bottom with just enough clearance for the feet and abit of air to escape. Not ideal but works and doesn’t look to bad
I have a FormD T1, which the Terra was (very) inspired by layout-wise. Nice thing about the T1 is you can flip it upside down and install two full-size 120MM fans as top exhaust, completely nullifying the “pulling in hot exhaust” problem. Funnily enough that is actually the upside-down position, despite most RUclipsrs setting it up this way seemingly by default. Which makes sense as, you know… heat rises.
Makes total sense! I don’t understand why the design wouldn’t be like that by default but i’m glad people are realizing that that’s the better way to have it.
Most all sandwich sff cases are negative pressure like this for the best thermal results. Just comes with the territory. I have a terra with a 7800x3d and 4090FE and its runs quite well.
I'd recommend setting some strict power draw limits for your cpu in bios. Undervolting helps but it'll still try to draw the full 200+ watts and there's just no way any cooler that fits the Terra is gonna keep up with that. I'd think maybe 120w at best but you know, do your own testing.
I actually did both. I don’t remember the exact numbers but i undervolted as well as had power limits at around 130W. It helped, but like you said, there no way to cool something that power hungry without proper airflow. It’s tough because I really liked the look of this thing
after undervolting my CPU i don't have any cooling problems. In my opinion, the fan pushing from below is not such a problem for the rest of the components, because it is located in the front of the case, and the CPU and theGPU are in the back - I could be wrong, but that's what I think. Im whit Ryzen 9 5900X, and 4060Ti
You can undervolt the cpu to cool the cpu and you can do it with the gpu and drop even more heat outta of the case the choice of cool also makes a difference the case isn’t that big of a problem as you make it sound to be
If you paid attention, I already mentioned that I tried undervolting and temps still were very high. The cooler is the biggest one I could find that fits in this case except for the one that came out after I had already gotten rid of it. I made this problem out to be as big as it was in reality for me. The case was too hot and didn’t have enough proper ventilation for my use so i made a video letting people know that if they also had this issue too, they’re not alone
Fractal Terra case Ryzen 7 5800x3D (undervolted and legit see zero performance issue in benchmarks and renders) rtx 4060 gigabyte low profile Corsair SFX 750 Thermalright AXP90 X47 (Full Copper) zero exhaust fan Corsair Ram 32gb CPU has never went above 85c in (COD Cold War, Overwatch, Cyberpunk 2077) HOT SPOT in stress test 3dmark steel nomad was 85C on GPU. After Effects 3D rendering CPU was pushing 80C consistently- luckily I use premiere mostly for my job lol. Premiere was 100% fine doing 4K video editing. GPU range 40-72 I've not had issues, but I might install a top mounted exhaust fan to help with the temps a bit.
this case I believe is built for productivity in mind meaning its not designed for gaming so the power draw doesn't need to be that high else you will run into problems. look for cheap 4k builds that will save you money use less psu power to run meaning it'll run cooler. This isn't built for high end gaming in mind cos the more power you spit out the hotter this thing will run.
I have found a fix potentially for this case that lowered my temps by 10-20 degrees Celsius. Download a software called Throttlestop and set power plan to either 'Save Power' or 'Balanced' this is set to 'performance' or 'high performance' by default.
Exactly my point with this video. This case is not meant to have a high end workstation put in it. Even with undervolting and power limiting, the airflow is just not sufficient to cool the components.
@@kyle_munoz I found changing my power plan has helped bring down my temps even while gaming. I would look into doing that the case is a little beast and having everything set to performance isn't going to be great for this case.
@@kyle_munoz oh fairs I managed to achieve good reads 48 degrees on desktop and 60-70 in game. I did have 90-100 and I was soo worried this thing was gunna blow up lol. I will be trying to add 2 fans to the top of the case eventually but that'll happen down the line.
I agree. The airflow is poor and there are problems with cooling the motherboard. The operating temperature of the M2 SSD is quite high and sometimes a fatal error occurs. I changed to the NCASE M2.
@@kyle_munoz The installation of the NCASE M2 has improved to a level where there are no problems. The CPU temperature is -20°C after changing from an air-cooled cooler to a 280mm liquid-cooled cooler. The GPU and motherboard temperatures have also dropped, but the drop in the ITX motherboard temperature is less than 10°C, including the operating temperature of the M2 SSD. As you point out, airflow is important for cooling. Cooling performance is a weak point for ITX motherboards, as each manufacturer adds small fans to the VRM and M2 SSD.
I'm a little concerned as I'll be using the L9i noctua cooler. But hopefully it'll work, the cooler is compatible and the 9700X is pretty power efficient so here's hoping!
I7-13700F, cooler axp120-x67 . Was quite ok browsing, playing CS. But temps reached 90c and sometimes 100 while playing Cyberpunk. I have Asus mb, ended up settings default intel power limits.
Yeah same here. I played around with power limits and i think i ended up being stable around 155W, and it helped but not as much as I'd hoped. @viquor has had some success with two slim fans on the bottom of the case, maybe try that out and see if the extra airflow helps?
Lian Li, Corsair, and SSUPD actually make some cases that fit the bill for me. I’m making a video about the case i replaced the fractal with very soon.
Optimum Tech did a similar video with the ghost S1 and saw lower temps using a single fan as exhaust. He did actual testing and posted results. Your video isn’t very scientific and seems more opinionated. When it comes to optimising thermals in a small itx case there are so many variables. It’s not impossible to run mid to high end components in this case while managing thermals.
This video was to show the theory of thermodynamics that I think proves why people are having issues using this case with high end, energy-hungry components. So yes, these are just my opinions but they are based in theory and weeks of research & testing within reason for a normal person like me. I don’t have extra CPUs, GPUs, or coolers to do side-by-side testing so reading about other people’s experiences showed that I wasn’t the only one experiencing this, leading to me making the video. I could’ve been more quantitative with my declarations, but that would’ve been too specific to my build, so I went with the qualitative conclusions that could be applied to a variety of different builds within this case.
no, you're dumb for using a 13th gen intel CPU when there's much more efficient AMD available. But also, for thinking undervolting which is what a -5% power? is a solution to bad airflow. If your airflow is bad you need to fix the airflow not to reduce power consumption, but ok, say you wanted to reduce the power consumption for whatever reason, you would just do that with straight up setting a power limit, which is extremely simple and you can easily set a 50% or lower power limit without any stability issues. Yet you went for undervolting why? because it's a popular concept today?
Yup 13th gen wasn’t the best but I already took responsibility for that choice. Pretty obvious that fixing airflow is the solution to bad airflow…😂 The whole point of of the video is that the airflow in this case is not good, and since airflow is meant to cool components, reducing the heat produced by those components is another solution. When I said I undervolted, I meant that I both undervolted and power limited the CPU as low as i could while keeping it stable (around 140W as opposed to the stock 250W) and it was STILL thermal throttling. Any more helpful suggestions that maybe i haven’t tried yet?
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Fractal Terra case
i7-14700kf
ASUS RTX 4080 proart
Coolermaster 1100 watt SFF psu
Noctua nh l9x65
1 noctua exhaust fan a12x15
Some RGB Corsair Ram 32gb
Call of duty warzone: 100•C cpu
Other games: 60-80•C cpu
GPU range 40-70
Congrats on the build! My issues weren't with gaming, they were more for video editing and exporting. Glad you could set this up in a way that works for you !
I have nearly the same build.
i7 14700k
Asus RTX 4070 Ti proart
Corsair sf1000 psu
ID cooling is-55 cooler replaced fan with Noctua fan
And 2 exhaust fans at the bottom.
Highest I got was 87•C on Warzone.
Although my pc is abit loud I still enjoy the build.
@@Viquor that’s great temps. I switched to the noctua L12Sx77 (the one with the fan on the bottom of the heatsink) and it significantly reduced noise.
This also dropped my temps by 5-10 degrees.
how were you able to fit two fans at the bottom?
@@kyle_munoz I was able to mount 2 corsair 120 slim fans with grills outside on the bottom with just enough clearance for the feet and abit of air to escape. Not ideal but works and doesn’t look to bad
I have a FormD T1, which the Terra was (very) inspired by layout-wise.
Nice thing about the T1 is you can flip it upside down and install two full-size 120MM fans as top exhaust, completely nullifying the “pulling in hot exhaust” problem.
Funnily enough that is actually the upside-down position, despite most RUclipsrs setting it up this way seemingly by default. Which makes sense as, you know… heat rises.
Makes total sense! I don’t understand why the design wouldn’t be like that by default but i’m glad people are realizing that that’s the better way to have it.
Most all sandwich sff cases are negative pressure like this for the best thermal results. Just comes with the territory. I have a terra with a 7800x3d and 4090FE and its runs quite well.
yeah understood. I definitely take blame for putting a hot ass CPU in there lol
What cooler for 7800x3d? Undervolt both CPU & GPU?
^^^
Can you post your build? I'm trying the same thing
^^^
I think your issue is using an Intel CPU... they hog power and output too much heat... just get a 7800x3d
Agreed! Intel CPUS are wayyyy too hot for a case like this. It’s honestly kinda ridiculous the kind of power they draw
I'd recommend setting some strict power draw limits for your cpu in bios. Undervolting helps but it'll still try to draw the full 200+ watts and there's just no way any cooler that fits the Terra is gonna keep up with that. I'd think maybe 120w at best but you know, do your own testing.
I actually did both. I don’t remember the exact numbers but i undervolted as well as had power limits at around 130W. It helped, but like you said, there no way to cool something that power hungry without proper airflow. It’s tough because I really liked the look of this thing
after undervolting my CPU i don't have any cooling problems. In my opinion, the fan pushing from below is not such a problem for the rest of the components, because it is located in the front of the case, and the CPU and theGPU are in the back - I could be wrong, but that's what I think. Im whit Ryzen 9 5900X, and 4060Ti
Yeah typically the thermal issues occur with Intel CPUs
You can undervolt the cpu to cool the cpu and you can do it with the gpu and drop even more heat outta of the case the choice of cool also makes a difference the case isn’t that big of a problem as you make it sound to be
If you paid attention, I already mentioned that I tried undervolting and temps still were very high. The cooler is the biggest one I could find that fits in this case except for the one that came out after I had already gotten rid of it. I made this problem out to be as big as it was in reality for me. The case was too hot and didn’t have enough proper ventilation for my use so i made a video letting people know that if they also had this issue too, they’re not alone
Fractal Terra case
Ryzen 7 5800x3D (undervolted and legit see zero performance issue in benchmarks and renders)
rtx 4060 gigabyte low profile
Corsair SFX 750
Thermalright AXP90 X47 (Full Copper)
zero exhaust fan
Corsair Ram 32gb
CPU has never went above 85c in (COD Cold War, Overwatch, Cyberpunk 2077) HOT SPOT in stress test 3dmark steel nomad was 85C on GPU.
After Effects 3D rendering CPU was pushing 80C consistently- luckily I use premiere mostly for my job lol. Premiere was 100% fine doing 4K video editing.
GPU range 40-72
I've not had issues, but I might install a top mounted exhaust fan to help with the temps a bit.
That’s awesome! Yeah from what I’ve seen, Ryzen CPUs work well in this case. Less power hungry so less heat to get rid of.
this case I believe is built for productivity in mind meaning its not designed for gaming so the power draw doesn't need to be that high else you will run into problems. look for cheap 4k builds that will save you money use less psu power to run meaning it'll run cooler. This isn't built for high end gaming in mind cos the more power you spit out the hotter this thing will run.
I have found a fix potentially for this case that lowered my temps by 10-20 degrees Celsius. Download a software called Throttlestop and set power plan to either 'Save Power' or 'Balanced' this is set to 'performance' or 'high performance' by default.
Exactly my point with this video. This case is not meant to have a high end workstation put in it. Even with undervolting and power limiting, the airflow is just not sufficient to cool the components.
@@kyle_munoz I found changing my power plan has helped bring down my temps even while gaming. I would look into doing that the case is a little beast and having everything set to performance isn't going to be great for this case.
same, but everything i tried wasn’t enough to bring the cpu temps to under thermal throttle threshold so i just swapped cases
@@kyle_munoz oh fairs I managed to achieve good reads 48 degrees on desktop and 60-70 in game. I did have 90-100 and I was soo worried this thing was gunna blow up lol. I will be trying to add 2 fans to the top of the case eventually but that'll happen down the line.
What case did you buy?
ended up with the SSUPD Meshroom S V2. Couldn’t be happier!
I agree.
The airflow is poor and there are problems with cooling the motherboard. The operating temperature of the M2 SSD is quite high and sometimes a fatal error occurs.
I changed to the NCASE M2.
M2 seems to be a great case! Keep me updated on how it goes!
@@kyle_munoz The installation of the NCASE M2 has improved to a level where there are no problems.
The CPU temperature is -20°C after changing from an air-cooled cooler to a 280mm liquid-cooled cooler. The GPU and motherboard temperatures have also dropped, but the drop in the ITX motherboard temperature is less than 10°C, including the operating temperature of the M2 SSD.
As you point out, airflow is important for cooling.
Cooling performance is a weak point for ITX motherboards, as each manufacturer adds small fans to the VRM and M2 SSD.
yeah, i’ve seen very similar improvements after swapping cases and moving to liquid cooling.
I'm a little concerned as I'll be using the L9i noctua cooler. But hopefully it'll work, the cooler is compatible and the 9700X is pretty power efficient so here's hoping!
I think you’ll be good. Maybe a little under volt just to ensure but I think it should stay within a safe temp range.
I’d recommend the l12s or x77 variant
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4070ti super slim MSI, 7800x3x with AN600... I have no thermal issues even during extensive gaming... no additional fans.
that’s really solid!
So what case do u use now?
hahaa video coming soon about this but I ended up going with the SSUPD Meshroom S V2
the guy did the math
and people still doubting me 😂
Why you don't swap the fan to intake air from down and exhaust from top..🎉
as i mentioned in the video, i did try that and temps got worse 😂
Just returned mine. Had some defects and it was a skillet
LMFAO A SKILLET! I like that. What’s your replacement gonna be?
@@kyle_munoz I have several cases, 3 T1’s and just got a Meshroom S v2 for testing.
holy crap! Dude your channel is sick! What do you use all these PCs for??
I7-13700F, cooler axp120-x67 . Was quite ok browsing, playing CS. But temps reached 90c and sometimes 100 while playing Cyberpunk. I have Asus mb, ended up settings default intel power limits.
Yeah same here. I played around with power limits and i think i ended up being stable around 155W, and it helped but not as much as I'd hoped. @viquor has had some success with two slim fans on the bottom of the case, maybe try that out and see if the extra airflow helps?
Man has a mech. eng. degree (from LMU, but still) and has a RUclips channel. what influencer stole your girl, man
woah woah, no LMU slander here!
Woah, that’s a really good point. Love this video! Ill definitely consider this on my PC build.
Maybe you did something wrong in the air flow department...heat goes up so you have to orient everything to Go Up..❤
see that’s what i thought too but when i change the direction of the fans to push the air upward, the temps increased. 😕
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I have this case and disagree with pretty much everything this guy said and I don't need a mechanical engineering degree to come to that conclusion.
Very interesting! I’d love to hear more about your experience and why you disagree.
@@kyle_munozcrickets 😂
LOL typical RUclips commenter 😂
There is nothing but the FormD T1? Guess I'll just get in line 😅
Lian Li, Corsair, and SSUPD actually make some cases that fit the bill for me. I’m making a video about the case i replaced the fractal with very soon.
Optimum Tech did a similar video with the ghost S1 and saw lower temps using a single fan as exhaust. He did actual testing and posted results. Your video isn’t very scientific and seems more opinionated. When it comes to optimising thermals in a small itx case there are so many variables. It’s not impossible to run mid to high end components in this case while managing thermals.
This video was to show the theory of thermodynamics that I think proves why people are having issues using this case with high end, energy-hungry components. So yes, these are just my opinions but they are based in theory and weeks of research & testing within reason for a normal person like me. I don’t have extra CPUs, GPUs, or coolers to do side-by-side testing so reading about other people’s experiences showed that I wasn’t the only one experiencing this, leading to me making the video. I could’ve been more quantitative with my declarations, but that would’ve been too specific to my build, so I went with the qualitative conclusions that could be applied to a variety of different builds within this case.
Love it!🔥🔥
Thank you Brotha!
no, you're dumb for using a 13th gen intel CPU when there's much more efficient AMD available.
But also, for thinking undervolting which is what a -5% power? is a solution to bad airflow. If your airflow is bad you need to fix the airflow not to reduce power consumption, but ok, say you wanted to reduce the power consumption for whatever reason, you would just do that with straight up setting a power limit, which is extremely simple and you can easily set a 50% or lower power limit without any stability issues. Yet you went for undervolting why? because it's a popular concept today?
Yup 13th gen wasn’t the best but I already took responsibility for that choice. Pretty obvious that fixing airflow is the solution to bad airflow…😂 The whole point of of the video is that the airflow in this case is not good, and since airflow is meant to cool components, reducing the heat produced by those components is another solution. When I said I undervolted, I meant that I both undervolted and power limited the CPU as low as i could while keeping it stable (around 140W as opposed to the stock 250W) and it was STILL thermal throttling. Any more helpful suggestions that maybe i haven’t tried yet?
formd case reveal :D?
hehee gotta wait and see!
you should just delete this.
Why?