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Is Corona Mountain Mario's WORST Level? | Super Mario Sunshine
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2020
- Corona Mountain from Super Mario Sunshine is an infamous level for many reasons, but are its criticisms entirely fair? Spoiler alert: Yes, they are.
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This will likely be the last one take of the month, let me know how you think they all went!
Friendly reminder about June Zoom's 3rd Rule:
"Upload dates go by PST"
I love the one takes, but I also love the edited stuff, whatever you choose I’m here for
The one takes are pretty good, I think a lot of people will like them :)
'cuse me, but I do believe the raccoon/tanooki guy in Noki Bay sells those boats for 10k coins, and they're that expensive because they're the only floating stone boats.
You call the boats wooden & mention that they're in Noki Bay, but they're not! They're NOT Wooden! If you check the shop's sign in Noki Bay, it says:
"M U D B O A T R E N T A L - 90,000 COINS - Mudboats Are Fun! Come Aboard!" (Who would pay that much to use one?!)
They're made of mud, not wood! So I guess the heat from the lava... hardened it & that's how it floats? It's WEIRD. Also, the owner lets you use them for free. First because they apparently all got washed away, so the one in the level isn't at his shop (Washed away.), then he lets you use them for free for restoring the waterfall, & then he says he owes you I THINK for cleaning the Eely-Mouth's teeth!
Still, who would pay 90,000 Coins to ride one of those awful boats?!
18:24 Where did the 1-Up go? Did the liquid erase it?
Good video, thanks for uploading!
9:27
I think this needed to be made sooner
It’s funny how RUclips automatically assumes everything with “corona” in the title has to do with a certain virus.
Ikr
How else would they automate it
Poor Italians can't even talk about crowns anymore.
Corona commercials must be having a field day
No one say the name
DON'T MAKE ANY CORONA VI- AAAAAAAAAAA I'M TOO LATE
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RUclips GOT ME, I'VE OFFICIALLY ZOOMED MY LAST ZIKE
Far too late.
RUclips already made the joke before any of us said it. What a power move.
Better luck next time.
dang it
You nearly made me choke from laughter dang it when I saw that banner being displayed on here.
I love how this was posted an hour ago and there’s already coronavirus information automatically
Can confirm it was up at the 28 minute mark.
The word Corona means crown in spanish. You can't talk about royalty without this message.
Tom Easton more proof human doing jobs is still superior.
@@Pwn3540 yup and people glorifying the new normal of technology taking over.
Pwn3540 well, spreading the info to as many people as possible isn't bad anyway.
see its funny because it has the word "mountain" in it
Thank you for restoring balance.
Is it a Cool "mountain" or a Tall "mountain"?
Where's my Tall Cool "mountain"? ( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)
lol he said the m word
Hot Hot Mountain
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA MOUNTAIN HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAHAHAH
Zike: this Mario level kinda sucks
RUclips: gEt tHe lAtEst iNfOmAtiOn oN cOviD 19
CORONAVIRUS mountain
CORONAVIIIIIIIIRUS
Covid mountain
The thing that bothers me the most is that Bowser Jr is the main antagonist the entire game, with multiple showdowns, and then suddenly Bowser is the final boss.
*“Suddenly, warping through space and time, King Bowser appears!“*
@Rick Zel yeah he was fighting in a giant mechanical bowser for crying out loud
Same in Luigi's Mansion
This level feels like if little timmy had acess to a 3d mario maker.
also little timmy was an asshole
Nah there isn’t enough enemy spam
Except little Timmy is an overly edgey 13 year old
Is little timmy also known as Ross?
True LOL
This is what I used to think of when I heard "corona"
you can still think of corona mountain from super mario sunshine 64
This Or the beer but now you think of a virus right?
I thought of Paul Simon and Ice Cream
I thought of Spectrobes.
you again
ZoomZike: Corona Mountain is the worst Mario level
Pachinko Machine / Poison River Lilypad Ride: Are we jokes to you?
At least I can appreciate Pachinko Machine for what it attempts to do, which wasn't _nearly_ as unfun to me as what the MOUNTAIN does. Can't defend the Poison River much though, haha.
The Lilypad Ride's not that bad. At least you sorta get a tutorial on how Lilypads work, which isn't as convoluted as the mudboat, and you can sorta cheat it by going backwards along the side walkway. Sure, that's tedious, but considering you can see and even get to the pipe to the Lilypad Ride and is locked until you get Yoshi in the overworld, I think it's fair for it to be hard. Now if you want to complain about how you get Yoshi to the pipe (legitimately) and the pipe in the substage that brings you back to Delfino Plaza, go ahead. Both of those are stupid.
Pachinko is dumb though. You can't have something like that with physics that busted.
At least those levels are optional. The game at no point has any of these obstacles at all in any of the required levels.
ZoomZike
The poison river can be more or less skipped through glitches at least, as you can get under the poison and jump into the coins
@@zoomzike Agreed. Lilypad & Mudboat are the worst designed and least fun (even once you get decent at it) mechanics in Sunshine, while the Pachinko Machine just has terribly programmed collision & physics.
On the cutting room floor, its been found that corona mountain was supposed to be a bigger, larger level with its own shines. It was supposed to be the last stage, then a bowser stage. It had elements that supposed to introduce the hardest gimmicks and elements but the only elements it intoduced was the fire and spike elements. Most likely you where supposed to fight bowser ABOVE the mountain at the very top. That cloud element was the "elevator" to said fight. Dont you think its wierd that in the finished product, bowsers fight takes place in space/sky and afterwards falls out of the sky when you are IN a volcano? The pace is off by a mile.
Sunshine had a REALLY RUSHED development. People have found out that around the time pianta village was finished, the rest of the stages after like Corona was cut out stripped down and its shines where reused as blue coin fodder. It was most likely around that time, the crunch began. Nintendo dosent really acknowledge it, but its had its time where they had really bad crunch periods during development of wind waker, sunshine, twilight princess, majoras mask, ssb melee and a couple others. The late n64 era and gamecube era was no joke.
I can go on and on but i guess my point here is if sunshine had at least 4-6 more extra months, it could've been a lot more expanded upon and the pacing wouldve been a lot smoother. But alas, they ran out of time.
Also, 9:20.
Well, as for TP, thats a bit debatable. It had a 6-7 year development cycle and it was only rushed around the tail end of development but i can see why. The same is for majoras mask but in the opposite way. They rushed but only the pre-development cause of lack of designers where available. According to this article that just came out a couple months ago (ill also link source) They where afraid and constantly on edge that miyamoto was going to scrap ideas and lose precious time they couldn't afford: Miyamoto had a history of suddenly demanding major changes, even late in development. “Whenever a game nears completion with only the final polish remaining,” Aonuma said, “with no fail Mr. Miyamoto upends our tea table and the direction that we all thought we were going in suddenly changes dramatically.”
He welcomes the ideas but majoras mask was on a constant crunch from start to finish. They couldnt have time to change, so whatever they had in game, had to make use of it in whatever way they could, thus it explains why beta footage of the environment mostly still looks the same as the final. If the big man came in and ordered an entire section overhall, that probably would've ended it right then and there so he was rushing to complete it before he had a change of heart but thankfully, never did.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/4/30/21241902/the-legend-of-zelda-majoras-mask-was-never-supposed-to-exist
A lot of people seem to forget, miyamoto is actually a pretty serious guy when it comes to his job and carries a lot of weight. There was a story of reggie fies ame (sorry if i fucked his name up) trying to get him to laugh during an e3 prep of the wiifit board during his early years and it took him HOURS to finally even get the man to chuckle from an off joke. "My body is ready" was the one btw.
But anyway, i guess my point is that TP was a perfect example of ideas he had and kept throwing it out the window, thus explaining the last minute rush as for majoras, was the example of your boss breathing down your neck, expecting him to throw your work out the window at any second.
The fact that this game ran at 60 in the beta builds is a dead give away that this game was rushed
It's still my favorite though.
Lukas von das Eis majora's mask was made in like 13 months. Even as a challenge, devs had to rush things out
Thank you, I was wondering if someone would point this out. While I do think Corona is not the most fun level to play, I do appreciate the challenge it gives for a final level. As a kid, I died on the first part a lot, and especially the boat. All that being said, to see Corona finalized in perhaps a remaster or something like that would be wonderful. Anyway, I think it a tad unfair to criticize the game developers when they were so pushed for time. You can't rush art as they say, which is probably why Shigeru Miyamoto eventually came out and said the following: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." While perhaps not always the case, people can tell when something in a game was obviously rushed. So, I leave it at that.
Post a link.
There were assets made for this to be a full level with several shines, but it got rushed into being a Bowser level. There are hot springs up to the entrance because that was going to be one of its themes.
I also think the boat is actually made of clay. That texture doesn't have any wood grains and it looks very rough and earthy.
It would be nice if they did a remake for the switch or whatever comes next in order to add features that got cut for time
Huh, are there? I only remember hearing about the unused level select banner for Corona Mountain.
How would a wooden boat survive on lava anyways?
Lifeform Lover Lol i read your comment as "wouldn't a wooden boat survive on lava anyways?"
If I remember correctly, they were gonna put 7 or 8 more courses into the game giving an grand total of 14 or 15. One of which being an Underground Subway to taken you to another hub world.
Lmao I love how bowser just abruptly sm64 roars when he finishes his sentence.
I'd also like to point out, they made a point of preemptively introducing you to the lava fish mechanic... but there's only one on the stage. Given the layout of the obstacles, not only is there a method to simply go around the lava fish, but the path avoiding the lava fish is easier than the path that intersects with its arc!
Also, about the final boss, it's weirdly easy given that pretty much every other boss in the game is super solid. I can't remember any that didn't provide a pretty decent challenge by Mario standards (if not too much challenge)
Then you get to the final boss and it's pretty much just "Walk to Ground Pound Spot, Ground Pound, repeat until win". Bowser Jr and Bowser's attacks barely have enough time to hit you if you just keep doing it, you practically have to go out of your way to slow down for them to be relevant.
It also would've been really easy to just swap out the weird space background with a lava-esque background and make the weird acid orange; you don't even have to change anything else about the fight for it to make a lot more sense.
But ultimately, it's most disappointing that they keep you from seeing Bowser for the ENTIRETY of the game, only to FINALLY show him, and he doesn't even fight you directly, he just kinda sits in the bath and sometimes shoots fire at you. It really does feel like an entirely different team worked on it, or that they'd just saved the final level for the very end of production and ran out of time and had to scrape something together in a few days.
I've somehow never noticed that lava fish until watching this video, that's how pointless it is
I always just thought those lava fish were for show.
Yeah the lava fish were pointless. In all my many times playing this I never bumped into one once
9:14 “I want you to see how narrow this hole is, and how you have to fit”
Here you go: L
ZoomZike best L of my life
sebsincognito: I see this as an absolute win
If you want to torture yourself like that then you wouldn't find yourself in this situation in the first place.
Lmao, get some tape.
ZoomZike HEY I POSTED MY COMMENT FIRST
11:28 what if instead of the turbo nozzle they gave you a blooper and colored it orange and black making it a lava blooper you could surf on?
Not a bad idea but it would have been nice to have all the nozzles used in the final level
Amazing how it would still be just as deadly as surfing on a regular blooper in water
How would you get off of it though?
@@FrahdChikun very carefully, or by dying
For a more serious answer: keep the water spout at the end of the level, this will either hurt or irritate the lava blooper, causing it to buck mario off like a bull
This level really let me down as a kid. I thought it would be a large labyrinth which would test your skills and have you fight bowsers minions. It didn’t turn out that way, it’s not grueling or challenging in a fun way, or even tedious, it’s a straight hallway with almost nothing in it. It feels like a last second addition which is not great for a “final level”
Ah yes i too want to know how a level of a game released in the 2002 is relevant to _A WORLD PANDEMIC_
It's because this level is diseased!
you know its serious when its released in *THE* 2002
Timmy In a Toilet It’s not just any 2002
@Joey Ford What happened in 9 November?
Time for the ROM hackers to make ZoomZike's Corona Mountain become a reality.
Nah, sunshine modding is dead. Tis' a shame, this game is incredibly underrated
@@CasiniLoogi it's not though
Corona Mountain was probably made the way it was cause they were running out of dev time and they needed to quickly make a very hard final level so they spam a lot of instant kill scenarios in it. I still remember being peeved that Mario couldn't lava bounce in this level like he could in Super Mario 64 which had lots of lava sections.
It’s pretty all confirmed
I like how RUclips/Google automatically included a link to information about the virus just because the title contained “Corona”
Best part about it: corona means crown in Italian, so if I talk about crowns youtube gets scared. Cool.
@@TheFrantastic It also means crown in spanish
It's about the sun.
Sunshine.
The sun has layers.
Ogres have layers.
@@runningoncylinders3829 ogre spinach bruh
Training section for the boat: put it in Delfino Plaza, replace that stupid Yoshi boat mission with it lmao. Less waiting, more Maximum Speed Juice Propulsion
Wouldn't that make it optional and, therefore, a tutorial casual players aren't unlikely to miss?
There’s a boat in Noki bay
Zoom zike: hey guys, let's talk about a Mario stage
RUclips: HEY HERE'S COVID INFO
One other thing about this level that bothered me was the lack of enemies before the boss. It would have been so cool to fight lava based enemies. They could have even brought back the lava bullies from SM64
It would’ve made sense too, the whole plot is bowser (and jr) invading and sending their own minions, so having the mountain filled with “regular” Mario enemies you haven’t seen the rest of the game would’ve been genius
To answer that question before watching this video: YES.
Seriously, this is the level that made me give up on trying to 100% the game as a kid. I just saw the blue coins and ignored them, and just went straight to Bowser. I just repeated the levels I enjoyed and just fooled around in other areas afterwards.
To collect all blue coins in this level are easier than in other levels
@@gamermapper atleast you don't have to literally spray everything to get blue coins in crown mountain
Wow it's been so long since I've played Sunshine that I really didn't recall how bad Corona Mountain really was. It's just so plain and doesn't have that Mario design philosophy. It really feels like the developers just placed ideas they hadn't implented yet into a rushed final level. Also A+ for a single take 20+ min video.
Super Mario Sunshine of all Mario games was the one that needed more time than the other entries. There's a surprising amount of unpolished edges for a high budget Nintendo game. A shame because it's tons of fun to play, especially thanks to Mario's practically flawless control that continues the brilliance of Mario 64's versatility. Usually I prefer level design to control if I'm forced to choose, but Sunshine is a rare exception.
Still pretty good I'm sure (I haven't played sunshine, don't be mad, I've tried), but I see how rough around the edges it can be.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 It's one of the reasons I want a remake of Sunshine over a remaster if the rumors about the Mario games coming to Switch are true. There's so many things that I recall being very clunky when playing. Even as a kid, I knew something was up with some of the mechanics in this game and Sunshine was the only 3D platformer I had to go off of at the time! Still a great game though just needed some more development time imo.
There's a game I can't think of right now, that I distinctly remember having a similarly underdeveloped area before the final boss. Wish I could remember what it is...
@@bsharpmajorscale Pac-Man World 3?
It feels like Corona Mountain was made really early in development, when the devs still hadn't gotten used to making good levels.
Obviously it was the complete opposite because clearly the secret courses are much better than it and obviously were made first and weren’t rushed!
9:32 all I ever wanted was to get my L back after you took it. I can't tell you how badly I missed it.
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“There’s a big hot tub in the sky.”
Sounds like a Floridian mom explaining the afterlife to a small child.
If you want to keep the lava theme, you could replace the boat with the surfing bloopers. Hitting a wall has the same effect as the boat, but the bloopers were so much cooler and doesn't make that part feel like a slow paced section.
Alternatively, you could also add the turbo nozzle by having a long stretch of land with gaps of lava (to jump over) and a timer switch which has a bridge of boxes at the end, so it'd be a timed section where you'd need the speed of the turbo.
That would work cause if you go into the building the cop piantas stand in front of you get taken to a level with a similar idea of turbo nozzling over platforms so that would have been a decent way to introduce the concept and then having to do it in Corona Mountain would have been awesome
I fucking hate the bloopers.
"That's how you get your L". L is for best boy Luigi
I hated that boat section died countless of times till i beat it one day
Bro it's been years and I never knew you could grow the clouds
I think this was the easiest final bowser level ever. I remember being so convinced that it had to be a fake ending and bowser jr was going to come back for more or something
This level always stressed me out/scared me as a kid. From the flooding of Delfino Plaza (which in my mind implied everyone drowned since I went straight after Shadow Mario), to the ominous music to the instant death moments in this final stage among other parts like you said here, everything about this final part of the game was so intimidating to me. It really helped that my mom helped out with this part, God bless her soul. And I also had similar feelings toward the final boss and the ending.
ZoomZike: Lets talk about Corona Mount-
RUclips: HERES CORONA
It's possible that back when this was intended to be part of a much larger level, the turbo nozzle was going to be used. But alas, the turbo nozzle went unused here when Nintendo ran out of time (things were far from stellar for Nintendo at the time). There is evidence in the coding that there was supposed to be multiple shines for the stage; hence it is likely there would have been notably less blue coins to collect had Corona Mountain realized its full potential.
Also considering that the final stretch of the level involves Mario climbing up the clouds, it is possible that the player was meant to climb all the way up into the sky. Hence explaining why the final boss battle has an obvious outdoors skybox.
Corona? Wow, can't believe my Mario game has an entire mountain filled with beer
the last boss honestly feels like a phase of a multi phase boss fight. when I Completed this level today I couldn't belive I've finished the whole final boss
Yeah I always wondered that, like it’s so easy for a final boss they could’ve made this a multi phase boss fight but sunshine got rushed so They couldn’t sadly. It could explain why Corona mountain is so short and not fun, it would’ve probably been one of the best final Mario levels.
I hated the boat so much I used that glitch that lets you swim under the lava to get through this level.
If we do get a Sunshine remake like some rumors say, I really hope Coronaa mountain is expanded to be a full level like the others with multiple shine sprites and a less annoying, more expansive layout, since it was originally intended to be but then had to be cut down due to development being rushed.
Remasters are not the same thing as remakes.
Also, they would do have to do quite a bit to fix the game. Including fixing the physics, having a new camera system, a better reward for getting 100% completion (even if the ending picture for 100% completion looks nice), and having more to the post game content.
Tidepool Clipper What is wrong with the camera? I’ve always thought it worked well.
To this day I feel like Sunshine is one of the hardest mario games. Not that it is a bad thing, but there are some parts that can make or break the game for a lot of people. Poison lily pad, pachinko machine, watermelon festival, the fight with the manta ray at the hotel, and corona mountain are very unique though and we probably won't see anything like it again.
To me, Corona Mountain's boat section, while far from perfect, is fine as a test in concept. As you've said, however, Sunshine doesn't really teach you about how the mechanic works. If there had been a mission in an earlier level where you were required to deliver an item by using the boat, less people would hate it. Nintendo may have planned something similar for Noki Bay but instead chose to use the boat for blue coins due to time constraints.
“Is Corona Mountain the worst mario level?”
Yes.
also 9:16
It's likely that they built Corona Mountain last and Bianco Hills first. So that the first part of the game is better than the end because the concept of a FLUDD device hasn't really been thought of before. Like how Bob-Omb Battlefield looks great but Rainbow Ride looks more like a test room. So that's probably because why Corona Mountain is awful
I enjoy Rainbow Ride way more than this level
Nah Rainbow Ride was actually the hardest level and it was meant to be like that. Idk where the heck did u hear this from
Also Tick Tock Clock is at the end of the game and doesn't feel like a test room at all
9:14 You can't stop me.
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“some people just want to see the world burn”
I'd give you an L, but your inventory is full of them
When I read the title I thought someone had made a fan level and called it Corona Mountain as a joke
Level actually seems kinda shitty tho
it's really bad
@@TheShiningEnergy yeah for a game with such incredible game design, the final level is steaming hot garbage
I got a Covid warning while watching the video on Corona Mountain 😂
Me too.
Achoo
They REALLY should've put the cloud part at the beginning... perhaps as if Mario was scaling the side of the mountain before going inside, or maybe a multi-tiered lava level like the Moon Caverns from Odyssey.
RUclips gives me COVID-19 information because of the word "Corona" on the title lmao
Why is this level so short, what the heck?
That would be my first criticism
Delfino Airstrip is also short but it's a good small level
@@gamermapper Okay, I'm not saying a short level can't be good, but... It's the final level, it has to be bigger than 2 obstacles, come on.
Damn.. I really like sunshine a lot. But if they had more time developing the game, it really could be one of the best games ever.
It seems like they made the final level at the end of development, and it had to be rushed. It’s really a shame, it could have been so much better if they didn’t feel the need to make the levels in chronological order for whatever reason.
This level made me drop the game for years before finally picking it up again. That boat is a demon
I always thought of this as more of an intro to the finally boss and not as its own level.
9:14 "Hehehe lololol, it sound like he talking about DIQUÉ!!!"
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Go to 4 minutes and 8 seconds before 13:33.
You are an absolute mad lad.
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Really loving these kinda unconventional video game analysis vids. I think this formula has a lot of potential and i’d love to see more like it.
Agreed the coconut mall one was great the videos without scripts strangely feel very genuine well at least more genuine than the scripted one (not saying that they aren’t)
Id love to see one for a good level now :D
"Corona Mountain disorder"
That stupid boat exists.
I like the clouds at the end.
This mountain is a disease.
Such that I can't comprehend!
Wouldn’t it be interesting if they named a disease afte...
Oh wait they did. Several years ago. It’s just that a more widespread strain has taken over in 2020.
@Runningon Cylinders
I get the poetry, I see the stanza, I understand the approximate rhymes. And I cannot see anything else than a word written with the first letter of each line.
You could make a haiku out of this
Valerie Covid-19 is not the first strain of the coronavirus. It’s just the most well known one due to the pandemic it has created.
@@germina-4989 That was intentional.
They should’ve used the rideable bloopers instead.
Whilst it sounds fun, they would’ve instantly become sushi
I’m glad you went more in-depth on the boat section. Most people write it off as “the controls for it suck” but they genuinely don’t give you a proper tutorial or mandatory use before this point.
Covid Mountain really is a bad level.
The video has proven that bots don't understand context
Eh, I have to respectfully disagree with many points made in this video. First, let me preface all this by saying that I don't particularly like or hate Corona Mountain; I think it's serviceable. Because it's not even a proper level to begin with, it's a scrapped level quickly converted into a formality before the final boss. You can't compare it to any of the other fleshed out zones that are built to contain eight (to eleven, depending on if you count the secret and 100 coin shines) different objectives, with additional room and freedom to explore. (The following has turned into a bit of an essay. But, I wanted to show some of the reasoning behind my views.)
To address some points that I disagree with specifically: The damage applied by the spikes and fire and the potential to not instantly die from them feels like an intentional decision. It means that the player has an opportunity to survive which then puts them on edge for the rest of the level because now they're down in health and the next mistake means death. True that this only really affects the rest of the platforming section, but if you're a first time player on your way through the level you don't know if there's anything else up ahead that may kill you. As for these platforms being fun to traverse, I mean, they're platforms. I don't see what makes them more unfun than any other platform. You even have the added challenge of timing your jumps to land on the spikes and to put out the fires on the others to not take damage as opposed to a lot of other platforming sections in this game which present little to no actual danger aside from falling. As for the boat section, do you really need a tutorial for such a short section? You have an open area to figure out how it works, and like you said, the controls for moving the boat make sense. It's extremely intuitive, and if you've been playing through this game up to the point that you have enough shines to even get to this part you'll probably be able to put one and one together and figure out how the boat works immediately. The fragile nature of the boat is also intuitive. Since you've in all likelihood have ridden the bloopers and used the turbo nozzle, you can safely assume that the boat hitting the walls is not a good thing. When it's the only thing keeping you safe from the lava, you would certainly want to err on the side of caution rather than boost it full speed ahead into a rock. Though if you do and smash into the first rock you see, you might be able to survive by hovering back to the boat's spawn point. About the gap that you have to guide the boat through, it's not ~that~ small. There's plenty of room for error. If the player is being careful they'll probably be fine. Heck, I could guide two boats through it. Finally, the clouds. The clouds really are not meant to be any real challenge. They are a small obstacle put in the way to require you to take the rocket booster and create a final ascent.
I think the biggest issue here is perspective. Corona Mountain is more of an aesthetic than a level. It's designed to invoke certain feelings, and the level not being some carefree happy safe zone is part of that. Throughout the game you're going to resorts, beaches, amusement parks, and all sorts of nice things. Corona Mountain is a tonal shift from that into things suddenly becoming much more serious. Suddenly there's lava everywhere. There's fire, there's spikes, you're not just jumping around wherever having a fun time, you're jumping and moving around carefully so as to not die. You're taking a lot of damage from those platforms if not dying outright, the lava kills you, it's just one big intimidating zone of death. That's why the boat is the way it is, you have to move slowly, not just blast forward with it. The clouds are also a part of this, they're there to give you a moment of respite. Make you feel like you have gotten through the volcano and are now truly approaching the last area. Interestingly, your point about the Bowser fight being a bit silly not being a problem is what I consider to the one of the biggest issues with the level because of all this. It takes the tone that was being established by this level and throws it away for comedy. Then immediately takes another turn with the death of F.L.U.D.D. ~Then~ flips back when he's immediately repaired and well. All of this is such a back-and-forth whiplash that it leaves the whole final stretch feeling weird and massively out of place.
To finish on a less argumentative note, there are some observations here that I can definitely agree with. The Cheep Cheep is pretty pointless as it only really poses any threat once in the level. Seems like they intended to do more with it, but ran out of time. It would've been nice if the alternate paths on the platforms were a bit longer and presented different challenges, maybe with a 1up or a blue coin at the end of a harder path. The blue coins here are more tedious and annoying than anything. Since by the time you collect them all the intimidation factor of Corona Mountain has likely been lost and you're just more frustrated with their placement than anything else. The Bowser fight could certainly have been a lot more interesting. This is your first fight with actual Bowser and all you do is a simple ground pound five times with little preventing you from doing so. You don't have to time these ground pounds, you don't interact with Bowser in any way to beat him. This fight in itself also feels like a formality. Which is fine for a lead-up to the boss, but as for the actual boss itself? They could've done something a little more interesting. I'd also liked to have seen something done with the turbo nozzle here, even if only briefly. My idea being to use it as a lead up into this level by requiring it to enter the level, then having a nice little runway where you boost over some gaps before getting to the part with the hover nozzle.
*Corona jokes*
“How original.”
*And how RUclips gives Corona info*
"Daring today, aren't we?"
I miss when this was the only Corona I knew about.
That boat section literally made me hate this game when I was younger
Honestly, YES. A Turbo Nozzle section would have been awesome.
In fact, somebody better fucking ISO hack that.
The worst part is: the boat came back to haunt everyone in Minecraft (at least until 1.9)
This level is the reason why the world has to deal with Coronavirus
11:30 actually, real life hot springs often *are* above volcanoes
Corona Mountain is a "bowser castle" level, is not a main level is a final level to face the final boss.
For example:
-Bowser In The Sky
-Center Of The Universe
-Bowser's Gravity Reactor
-World 8-Castle
-World 8-Theme Park
-Honeymoon Everhill
"Welcome to the Salty Spitoon. How tough are ya?"
"I talk about 'Corona' in a RUclips video and in its title"
"So?"
"In 2020"
"Right this way sir"
I don't know if Corona Mountain is the worst level, but it's easily the one with the worst jokes... considering the pandemic hasn't even ended yet
Christopher Moon HOLY SHI-
YO WHERE WERE YOU?!
But that's just another reason why it's bad xP
Looking back, I never spent much time on this level, because it wasn’t very fun. Most of the level was fairly simple, but the boat part always frustrated me so much that I wasn’t satisfied when I beat the level. It also didn’t help that the entire level leading up to the bowser fight had no variety in the scenery and was ridiculously short. And when this level has to compete with the rest of the game that for the MOST PART (*cough* PACHINKO LEVEL *cough*) is extremely fun, it’s kind of shocking just how boring and underdeveloped it is. Out of all the parts of the game that were rushed, I think corona mountain was the level that was impacted the worst. There was so much potential for a fantastic last area/level and it just fell flat. Though it probably won’t happen, it would be pretty cool if Nintendo made a dlc for this game on 3D all stars where you could go to a certain place- idk where, perhaps somewhere in the plaza- and access updated versions of the levels that suffered the most from being rushed. For example the pachinko machine level with its quirky physics and corona mountain (maybe expand it to multiple parts, where in each one you have to utilize all the skills the game teaches you to get to the sprite at the end, and the last is the bowser fight). This shouldn’t be to make the game easier, but to give players the finished levels the creators intended to have in the game to begin with. I’m sure it’s just as disappointing to the creators as it is to the players to release an unfinished game, and it be as obvious as it is. Especially when the game seemed so close to being completely finished.
I actually enjoy replaying Corona Mountain because I struggled so much with it as a kid and know exactly how to get through it unscathed now. The boat in particular made me go back to Noki Bay and learn how to control it there where it was safe.
My first time seeing your videos, and it's always awesome to see another mario sunshine lover. For having no script you caught my attention pretty well
Ah, the pesky info panel strikes again
i love sunshine as much as you do, but i never really tought about how this level was so utterly BAD, i just always tought it was supposed to be like that because it's the final level, therefore should be hard
also I NEVER KNEW CLOUDS GREW WITH WATER???????
Mario used his backwards long jump to travel into the past to warn us how bad the pandemic will be
When "The Shell's Secret" exists, Corona Mountain cannot be the worst level
Nobody:
Girls in Brazzers videos:
9:14
Shameful,
at least Hub has something for my interests.
I've never had a tab open in Brazzers.
Maybe this is why.
L L L L L L L L L L
I would have loved it if it was something like Lethal Lava Land’s volcano, but like more open and all that lol
This game also confuses me with the lava cause the fire paint acts similar to the real lava in Mario 64 in which Mario can bounce up in the air, but the real lava in Corona Mountain just instant kills Mario. Wait...unless it's because Mario's weighed down by fludd causing him to not easily bounce his way out of lava.
As someone who's first Mario game was Sunshine, I agree that this is the worst level of the game, but this video gave me a question. What would you say is the worst world of Mario Sunshine (random example, pianta village for having the worst secret zone in episode 5). I personally dislike Gelato Beach for being the most standard level of the game with it's theme. You have multiple towns, a harbor, an amusement park, and then you have a beach. Just a standard, run of the mill beach. What's worse is that there's another beach which has a separate hotel area and a better atmosphere overall.
I'm so love/hate on both Sandbird & Watermelon Festival, but both are still learnable.
Gelato did give us the mission name "Mirror Madness Tilt Slam Bam" which is way too fun to say.
I'd love to see this stage as a normal stage y'know with episodes and you can explore around collect shines minus the infuriating spike and fire platforms this would make a perfect final stage
Girl: "are you emotionless? how did The Titanic not make you cry?"
Boy: 19:39 where real men cry
Is anybody else bothered that the lava is instakill in this game? in 64, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, and Odyssey Mario bounces on it and takes damage, but here no you just die. The only other 3D games where lava is instakill is 3D Land and 3D World, and that makes sense because those take after the 2D games, where lava has always been instakill. It's just weird man
Super Mario Sunshine predicted the corona virus. Bowser Jr. wasn't just polluting the island, he was giving everyone COVID-19.
9:14 I’ll take my L now
Here you go: L
ZoomZike thanks man
The game needs a HD remake (not a port).
@Lukas von das Eis That's why I specified that it needs a remake. A remake would have be built from the ground up and hopefully they'd also take the opportunity to fix thing s like collision detection, the lessen the amount of red cataquacks for the watermelon mission, and more coins so 100 coins shines aren't a pain, not automatically kicking you out Lily pad ride, not automatically kicking you out of the pachinko level. You know, the small complaints.
Lukas. Agreed.
Fix the Mountain name lol
Darius Brown No, they should rather make a brand new Mario 3D game with a much more interesting concept. Sunshine is just straight up bad!
@@parodynet3004 excuse me sunshine is the, best mario game
I remember this level was the bane of my childhood existence. When I finally beat it, it was one of the most proudest achievements.
I genuinely had no idea about spraying clouds to make them bigger
Nobody:
Really Nobody:
RUclips: CoViD MoUnTaIn
Is it bad because it is a mountain where everyone has to be in permanent quarentine?
I didn't know there was a boat in Noki Bay until I randomly found it in Allstars
A level so bad humanity spent 3 years collectively dealing with it
I actually think the final boss is pretty good, it's definitely unique. Granted, the amazing cutscene really helps it lol.
I honestly thought the final boss in Sunshine was the absolute worst in the series. It's so predictable & can easily be beaten in less than a minute. And while I do enjoyed the cutscenes, some of the voice acting is really off.
It’s a solid boss fight, but comparing it to final boss battles in other 3D Mario games like Galaxy 1, 2, 3D World, and even some of the New Super Mario Bros Games, it feels pretty short and kinda easy
Yeah this name aged like fine milk left out...
Mario I suggest you get a mask on and walk away slowly....
Do you think they'd actually change the name in the (possible) Switch remake?
@@wariolandgoldpiramid nah they didnt
RUclips videos with Corona in the title: **exists**
RUclips: IT'S CORONA TIME
Here's how to fix the Bowser battle, while not changing the general idea too much:
Make the hot tub and Bowser MUCH bigger. Make this boss fight arena almost it's own level.
Objective's the same: Rocket + Ground Pound the 5 points.
At each point, fight Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario. These fights could be references to other parts of the game.
Maybe fight Shadow Mario on top of the Legendary Sand Bird at one point, or a destroy a Monty Mole cannon while Shadow Mario disrupts you, or even race Shadow Mario on Bloopers at another point. Really, sky's the limit on what you could do here.
Now, between these mini-boss fights, use the Turbo Nozzle to get between the points on the giant hot tub, while dodging flames, Bullet Bills, goop, etc. with these Turbo sections getting more hectic as you destroy more points. Maybe even have Princess Peach help by using her parasol to block hazards making safer ways for Mario to traverse.
And how about this: make Bowser/Jr. take F.L.U.D.D. right before the final point, and seemingly kill/break it, and have the last point be a platforming challenge as you climb to the top of a tower to get the final Ground Pound, so then the sad F.L.U.D.D. scene has more of an impact and makes more sense.
This would make you practice everything you've learned throughout the game, make use of all 3 nozzles, and it would feel all the more satisfying when you get through this gauntlet and finally topple the hot tub.
Thoughts?