How FEMINISM Destroys Society And Women
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
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Zuby and Lila Rose engage in a discussion about feminism, exploring its historical evolution and impact on society. While Lila acknowledges the positive goals of early feminism, she criticizes modern iterations, labeling them as destructive. She traces the shift from early feminist movements, focused on legal equality and justice, to later waves that embraced sexual liberation and abortion rights.
The conversation highlights figures like Margaret Sanger, whose advocacy for contraception and eugenics laid the groundwork for contemporary feminist ideologies. They delve into the intersection of feminism with Marxism and the sexual revolution, critiquing the erosion of traditional values and the rise of moral relativism. Zuby draws parallels between historical cycles of societal rebellion and the biblical narrative of the Garden of Eden, suggesting a recurring pattern of human behavior. Both speakers emphasize the importance of choosing virtue and rejecting destructive ideologies, while acknowledging the complexities of gender dynamics and societal influences.
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Worst thing about feminism is giving them power without the responsibility.
They already had power, lots of! Power. Always had power in the west . We threw the whole thing off balance completely
Men have sacrificed their entire life and build the world for women and children so who have always had the ultimate power
It's that kind of attitude that fired feminism up. The implication that women are stupid.
WOOOOOOOORD!!!!!
@@Gruff338 Men had masculine power and women had feminine power.
Feminism granted women masculine power without masculine responsibility.
Feminism was the flame that burned the west.
Well put
It was an early Trojan horse for Marxism. May have been the first.
Correct. Feminism has brought identity politics into politics and education. This has only worked because women have a very strong bias for women and men also have a bias for women.
If a group like BLM had started belittling white people and categorizing their opinions as invalid because they were white, they wouldn't have made it so easily. But when women explained that what the man just said is mansplaining (which doesn't mean it's wrong) and therefore she doesn't need to listen, many women loved it.
And since identity politics is nonsense, lies must be told, and the lies must be covered up with more lies, and anyone who argues against this false truth, this propaganda, must be canceled. Here too, as studies have shown time and again, women are much more willing to deny people with “false” opinions the opportunity to express them.
And the feminist claim that everything will simply get better with MORE women is still waiting for a positive example.
@@dassemultor2980 Comment of the day goes to you, my friend! Feminism killed good quality dialogue but took over the left, first. Healthy discourse has been, thus, replaced by their many ad homs in disguise and other shaming and projection techniques aimed at silencing dissent.
The good news is people are starting to see through it, online at least. Anytime they try to shame us into silence with prefabricated terms like misogynist or man-splainer. ..politely say, "I acknowledge your ad hominem attack but do you have any legitimate argument against what I'm saying?". Keep going with this, indefinitely, and never accept their trumped up bogus charges. When you do, you literally hand them power over you. In psychological terms, it's making a totally random stranger into a mom figure, with power over you to scold, chide and deride as she sees fit!
@@wisdomandy9361 I think you're probably on the right track. But the shaming never stopped. Just the basis for it has shifted from one ideology to another. Overall, the previous values were better. But blind adherence to any ideology and trying to force conformity, accordingly, is always wrong at best, and evil at worst. All we need is to take one baby step, as a society, towards everyone becoming a real critical thinkers. That's the only vax for slavish, sheeple syndrome that is needed.
We're obsessed with talking about women, while we're completely forgetting about children and men. Society can't work like this. We're all equally important and we're built to complement each other.
Ha! Good luck with that. They're in the grip of a gnostic oppression cult. All they know how to do is tear down others so they'll never have to grow up and be a full-fledged adult who takes accountability for their choices.
Equally important?
😂😂😂
@@leonardodakimchi
Yes...men aren't taught these day especially
Millennials/gen Z
ITS WHY
many 90s-100s year olds, are still alive
Millennials & Gen z
Need their wisdom
They don't want to see that and the only time they will is when men really leave the west in bigger numbers and leave them to go to HELL.
Nah
I like how she said first wave feminism wasn’t bad but then it went off the rails in 1920. That was over a 100 years ago!
It's pretty weird to praise something that immediately went off the rails
@@cmdrfunk Because that was the true intention! First they needed support from women...so they lied about men and then they could do their brainwashing!
2:30 If the suffragettes were so great, why were the vast majority of women anti-suffrage? Why were there more anti-suffragettes than suffragettes, yet nobody today has ever heard of the anti-suffragettes? I've never hear a feminist say the term "anti-suffragettes." I wonder why that is.
Because they were a product of the times. They believed thay their only place was at home raising children. The same reason why a lot of women in misogynist cultures participate in honor killing their own daughters. There's certainly something "right" and natural about women being the main caregivers for their children, but it shouldn't be an all-or-nothing proposition because people are different. I think family should come before career, but I would never want to tell my daughter that that is all she can ever do. It's weird to me to see people arguing about what other grown adults should or shouldn't do with their lives while simultaneously telling people to be true to themselves.
It's because the anti sufferagettes weren't apart of the agenda to break up the family structure. Do you know indoctrination is very easy take the kids away from their parents and teach them that the suffragettes had the majority support paint them as protagonists without their parents knowing what they're teaching in school you raise a new generation of followers.
@@73cidalia Geeeez...How did the feminist movement worked out for us????? Females can't even make a good decision on who to sleep with in the first place. Men knew this so there were safeguard against their bad decision-making but females tore that barrio down as fast a possible and this is the result with hookup culture, and single mothers running rampant. To look at how the Society is doing, all you have to do is look at the females in the society and how they behave.
@@73cidalia ohhhh! They were just brainwashed and shortsighted, unlike the enlightened feminists of the time!? Google anti-suffragettes arguments, and you might be surprised.
@@73cidalia the anti suffrage opinion was entirely correct though,
She's wrong about the earliest stages of feminism
Talking about the "waves" of feminism is like talking about stages of cancer. They are all bad, it's simply a matter of how likely are you to heal from it/is it to kill you.
So she's going to completely bypass their ties to the occult prior to the eugenics and them essentially being satanists? I've heard others in the past talk about how in the early days they would get preggo on purpose just so they could end the process as a direct affront to God. I know not everyone is Christian but that just sounds messed up IMO.
Very very wrong
Yup such typical kidgloved gaslighting
Even the first wave was about rejecting the Christian idea of the man as head of the family. It sought to establish the woman as an autonomous individual apart from the traditional family structure, under either her father or her husband.
There are no waves, just feminism.
It's always been bad but pretending it hasn't changed for the worse over time doesn't help
@@vuavuFeminism has always been cancer.
They say waves because f-inism always stopped when wars arrived. When the Drafts begin, suddenly there are no f-inists to be found. They seem to vanish into thin air.
@@vuavu Exactly! They repackaged and call it x waves but doing the same and even worst...more intense than before! Before they lied to women, then they lied about men, then they lied to men! Feminism were never about helping everyone! They helped themselves...a few women by destroying the whole other gender based on hatred...it was hatred because the things they said about men who wouldn't hate men...except those feminists lied!
@@vuavuuaua uuaaa, you can't control women anymore. Cope!
The case for Feminism ended with the Equalities Act! Anything else is whining, anti Patriarchy misandrist and gaslighting BS!
Nope. It's literally where it all started to begin with ..
sorry, but even the "suffragettes" were the worst. they ate the apple, and destroyed the Garden
@@Smartcom5 Nope! Since then it’s Misandry!
Feminism today is nearly impossible to mock nowadays as it has become a parody unto itself.
It destroys everything pretty much.
Over a hundred years of "feminism" and some are still confused about what it is. What it has not been is a benefit to our culture. Take a look around. Do you think we would have Drag Queen story time without feminism? Do you think the confusion about gender would be happening without feminism? Feeling over facts s also a feminist mantra.
Remember, they had the vote in Germany when mustache man was elected to rule... and in the USSR when Lenin and Stalin ruled. They have as much blood on their hands from the 20th century as the men... maybe more.
What would have been the correct course that should have been taken in the early 1900s then? Or were laws and broader social conditions for women just fine back then, they just liked to whine, just like women do now?
I'm no feminist but it's easy to forget how recently women were allowed to get an education, open a bank account, and participate in the Boston marathon, or how recently marital rape was criminalized.
@@Rockownz5150 Thank you for your well crafted question. I am no expert and I rely on the likes of Thomas Sowell and others that have more insight than I. I do recall seeing podcasts about how in the 1920s women were well represented in institutions of higher learning. Just like it was "some men" that were in the 1%, there also were low percentages of exceptional women rising in society . When feminists got started it was "capitalism" at the core of their ire. Somehow it changed to "men" being the problem. I am not sure where all this is heading and recently a new paradigm has arisen. The "Trickle, trickle" effect is "soft men" acting out like "modern women" and it is hilarious to watch.
@@Rockownz5150 lol, maybe women were better off not having those rights...they get education so they can get indoctrinated and leave their children to work under the boss they hated, they get bank accounts so they can divorce husbands to divert money to their banks...look at what women have become these days? Adam and Eve was a story showing women cannot be trusted! We can love them but they have to be guided!
"Occult Feminism" is a great book that discusses how Theosophy founded "early" feminism. It was never a good thing.
glad somebody said it she's so naive
That whole book has no basis in historical facts. It's a piece of antifem propaganda.
@@theironson1043naive? No wilfully ign0rant to deflect accountability YES
Even during Isaiah
In the Bible
Isaiah 3:12, 4:1
Feminism hasn't changed and there are no waves. They weren't pro life or pro family from the start. She needs to read her history more thoroughly.
Yes just wishful projection
You mean she needs to stop lying
Funny how nobody ever talks about how women never earned these rights
For 99% of history, men have been fighting off wolves and barbarians, and building walls and cities, which they defend. And then when men have conquered the world and made the world safe women have jumped in and said "half of this is ours"
Yeah, for all their bitching about the patriarchy, having them realize the "patriarchy" gave them their rights is hilarious. I'm guessing the 80% of women who didn't want these rights are now rolling over in their graves at how far society has fallen without real women upholding true feminine rolls.
Rights are God-given. Privileges are earned. Either can be withheld by those with superior privileges and power. Hence the movements to regain, not earn, said rights.
@Ryan_Christopher _Rights,_ by definition, are privileges, granted by statute. The difference between the two is that privileges aren't bound by law, and neither are upheld by God.
@@Ryan_Christopher so what right did the men going to war have to die once dead you can't vote can you.
She needs to read : Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation by Rachel Wilson. Rachel Wilson also has a great RUclips channel talking about the secret history of feminism
Yes, Agree. I'm over half way through it. The early feminists were not heroes at all. They were thoroughly anti-Christian. Full on radicals seeking to turn society upside down.
Does it point out that what we think of as later waves of feminism was there from the beginning?
@@FreedomTalkMedia That’s what I wanna know.
@@FreedomTalkMedia Yes, and it's worse than what we thought.
@@ItsHim-m7j Good to know
Women were given the vote to because politicians realised women could be bribed with social policies easier than men. Work access came initially because men got sent to war and the countries needed to keep running but because of it it increased the workforce as a whole and then lowered the wages of everyone working and reduced their negotiating powers.
Most noteworthy, men didn't get to vote on anything either until very recently. Or did they think men voted in 17th century France? 😂
Naw.
The first instances of voting rights were tied to either belonging to the owner class (land owners, male or female vs. simply "the poor") and later having served in the army, thus only men were eligible. That's how that happened.
Still blaming men.........the endless sage continues throughout humanity. Its never her fault....its his. Notice how nothing has changed. Its hard wired .
It's a factory setting.
@@Alakazzam09 So are all animalistic ignorant instincts. Time for them to become full grown adults. Very few grow up past 14.
Yes. Never recognizing your fault is gaining & maintaining power. This is what women do in relationships. Of course, there are limits: you can’t behave in such a way to gain power where the other party has power over you, like in the workplace if you are the employee.
Women being able to vote is catastrophic.
It has brought us Marxism and socialism. Women determine their votes based upon emotionalism.
@@stevec3526 I'd argue men are more emotional due to 96% of m urders being committed by men. That is due to severe emotional disregulation and not being able to cope with difficult emotions. What should be done is some kind of encouragement of more even distribution of beliefs on a university level and incentives of better pay to encourage men to be teachers and in higher education, which will balance out the ideological echo chambers.
Yeah, if you look at which voting issues this year in the US are the most important for men and women, men rate higher on issues such as taxation, cost of living, immigration...and women rate abortion as the most important. It's so fu*king dumb especially when you realise getting pregnant is your own choice.
@@stevec3526 Instead of extracting resources from their husband they vote to extract resources from every man
Stop whining 😂
Women declared war against men. Men walk away and women are STILL not happy. These people will never achieve happiness.
That’s the point women expect men to still contribute and risk their lives. For the safety of women while women actively participate in injustice against men with 0 regards for men.
Women advocating for f@lse accusers not to be punished,against mandatory p@trnity fr@ud
you get back here and give women your (*her) resources right now!
@@cmdrfunk 😎🇺🇸....$$$$
In reality femenisem have never been a good thing
I don’t know as it did some good in the 70s and 80s but then it turned into something different.
@@brianmeen2158 It didn't do anything good in the 70s or 80s.
It has never been truly egalitarian. At the Seneca Falls conference the Blacks tried to get a hearing, since they were real slaves, but the upper class women made sure that their right to vote came first.
In the UK when the suffragettes were holding up their banners saying "VOTES FOR WOMEN" most men couldn't vote. They wanted votes for upper class women; stuff the poor men. Men as a class got the vote after about 1/2 a million were sacrificed in WW1 because it was thought that people shouldn't be sent to war if they didn't have a say in who ran the country. The women also got it (from the age of 30 at first, but still...) just because.
Women have had legal equality for 50 years, but they have a women's department in every government, and a women's studies faculty in most universities, which does not teach a strict academic discipline, but is explicitly activism. There are no equivalents for men. There are affirmative action programs everywhere for women, but little or nothing for men. The eduction system was remodelled to make it more girl friendly because girls were behind boys in education. Now the gap in favour of girls is greater than the previous gap, but no-one much is doing anything for the boys.
Feminism has been non-egalitarian at every stage.
@brianmeen2158 the Duluth model and no fault divorce isn't a good thing. Equal pay act sure that was good
Women were always able to work. Any woman that says that women weren't able to work outside the home, is ignorant of history. Women CHOSE not to work because the work available for people was manual labor work. Women back then saw it as a privilege to have a husband that could provide for them so they didn't have to work
Feminism was never intended to be a equal rights movement, it's about special privilege for women without responsibility
Feminism was never designed to help women, any good that comes from a bad movement is coincidental, to praise that good is like saying that what we have today is just bad luck.
What are you talking about? Have you bothered to talk to any older women? Have you read any history?
I've witnessed history. Feminism is a power-centric alliance, like BLM. All such groups first proclaim that it's good for everyone. Second, the focus is on goals only attainable by a select group of women. Finally, in the phase which we are in now, the goal is to draw upon the good will from early feminism to destroy the thing that feminists have always hated most. A Western merit-based society that largely favors creation and innovation. Look at where we are? Do you not see how we got here?
I've witnessed history. Feminism is a power-centric alliance, like BLM. All such groups first proclaim it is for working for the good of all women. Second, the focus is on goals only attainable by a select group of women. Finally, in the phase which we are in now, the goal is to draw upon the good will from early feminism to destroy the thing that feminists have always hated most: A western merit-based society that largely favors creation and innovation.
Look at where we are?
Do you not see how we got here?
I've witnessed history. Feminism is a power-centric alliance, like BLM. All such groups first proclaim it is for working for the good of everyone in the group. Second, the focus is on goals only attainable and given voice by a select few people who are in the group. Finally, in the phase which we are in now, the goal is to draw upon the good will from early feminism to destroy the thing that feminists, and leftists, have always hated most: A western merit-based society that largely favors creation and innovation.
Look at where we are?
Do you not see how we got here?
I've witnessed history. Feminism is a power-centric alliance. All such groups have to first proclaim they are working for the good of all women. Second, the focus is on goals only attainable and given voice by a select group of women. Finally, in the phase which we are in now, the goal is to draw upon the good will from early feminism to destroy the thing that feminists, and people on the left have always hated the most: A western merit-based society that largely favors creation and innovation.
Look at where we are?
Do you not see how we got here?
She doesn't know what Marxism is.
Occult feminism: The secret history of women's liberation.
By Rachel Wilson.
Martin Luther King Jr was awarded the Margaret Sanger award, said he will cherish it.
Civil Rights was a psyop.
Exactly just look at the black community they own nothing in their own neighborhoods and the only people to benefit from civil rights were women immigrants and LGBT civil rights was mostly made for the African American male but the racist old white people fucked over America's future all because they hated the African American male
She would rather talk about human issues, than talk about feminism.
I recommend you interview the author of "Occult Feminism".
The author's name is Rachel Wilson and she has some wonderful information on the First Wave feminists that Lila appears to think were just great people. Spoiler alert: they weren't.
I read that book too and was gonna comment the same thing
She need to read more.... Rachel Wilson is a good start.
Women owned property before feminism, fairly sure some of those property owning women voted too but that may depend on the state as I'm sure they could in a few states but unsure of others. Regardless voting doesn't help any of us gain more pull with our reps and even those without the ability to vote were heard by their reps, hence why the push for the franchise worked.
"The inability to vote?" Who are you referring to by this statement? Are you referring to the ones from way down south that don't abide by this country's laws, yet get more gibs than actual citizens? I will honestly laugh my ass off as you rats eat each other once the funds dry up.
Women voting was a state issue. I believe women were voting in New Jersey in 1790. 1920 was just the nationalizing of voting for all the states to do it the same.
Many women owned property and went to University. They also enjoyed those rights without the earned responsibilities men have to had.
Own a gun, join the fire brigade, join the militia or registered draft as well as own property.
After all, voter registration was from the registry of deeds. Not a computer. You didn't want transients voting.
Women base their policies on emotion by default, their policies will always be flawed.
I'd be interested to hear another interview in 6 months. I get the feeling she's intellectually honest and she seemed surprised to hear that divorce law is currently broken.
Based on Rachel Wilson's research in "Occult Feminism" I disagree that the original goal of First Wave Feminism wasn't to destroy the family unit. Their own writings say that was precisely their goal.
This guy gets it.
Glad so many of us are aware of this book. I'm surprised, frankly.
she is a wolf in sheeps clothing, totally being disingenuous
Who gave women the right to vote again? Ohh… MEN.
There’s a difference between men and simps. They are not the same.
@@snowheader2200 Good one.
@@snowheader2200 There is also a difference between men and incels: a real man can handle a free woman, an incel can not. That's why they want slaves they can control (which is exactly what women were before they got their rights).
Who cried and complained and blamed everyone but themselves? Ohh...WOMEN.
If it can be given or taken away it's not a right. Voting is a privilege.
America's fate was sealed when women got the vote.
@drakepeppers4137
I would say, it's more like, "America was EXECUTED when women got the vote."
Also, notice the clothing of the 1920s, from the 1910s
It's almost like mid 1960s on...
Also, clothing styles have 40 year cycles.. slightly
I'm hoping, we bring back skirts/dresses not tight and short
As standard
Did women elect Wilson?
@@sanniepstein4835 No. What the relevance of your question?
Great discussion. So glad to hear you two discuss this! You’re right on!
feminism on day 1 was full of poison
Feminism to intersectional feminism to complete insanity. That was the inevitable slippery slope. Universal suffrage was a horrible idea. Women should be able to vote, if they have a stake in society (property, net producer, etc.).
It was never about quality, it has only ever been about supremacy.
Those water bottles seem stuck in table textures
Feminism's greatest achievement was making women taxable.
It was never good, read the book Occult Feminism, James Lindsay podcasts about feminism as well.
NEW DRINKING GAME: every time she says “you know…“ You gotta take a shot!
Great stuff. I agree with your guest's point of view. However, there is a surprising Silver Lining in feminism. I noticed the Men's Rights Movement online has very little racism in it, far as I can tell. Why? I think part of that is men realizing that actually gender differences are a lot bigger than whatever race differences exist. That's a huge social epiphany.
We had that 20 years ago with the younger generations until the left started pushing identity politics.
@Timbitts649
I think men tend to be less racist because they are merit- and results- driven creatures. You don't give a sh*t if your coworker is male, female, white, black, pink, purple, polka dotted, or what reproductive organ excites them; as long as they do their job right and don't create more work for you!
Most (not all) women are image-driven.
- They look busy at work, but their output for the day is less than everyone else's.
- Have you ever heard a wife say, "Hubby, it doesn't matter that we can't afford it! It looks great and we'll be the envy of our friends!"
- This one is classic, "Does this outfit make me look fat?" < As if the double chin and muffin top don't confirm you're fat??
"Your disire shall be for your husband, but he shall rule over you.
A passage written by men and quoted by men. Sounds legit. It's easy to quote things that benefit you. I don't agree with a woman who bosses her man around and emasculates him, but do you seriously think a woman -- a grown-ass adult with God-given adult intelligence wants to be "ruled" over?
If you check the references on this scripture, it will tell you that the "desire" is to control.
As in: "You shall DESIRE TO CONTROL your husband, but he shall rule over you"
This is feminism
@@zayinseven7923 yep. You are exactly right.
Good luck
@@arohanui922 my "Christian" wife divorced me 🤣
She’s on point about a lot of things, but original feminism did not believe in marriage.
Mate you are spot on. You pointing out @3:55 "the worst men" and @7:34.
Wow this lady knows nothing about what she is talking about wow amazing just wrong.
We have a large, brutal government today because women voted for it.
Even long before we created an immigration problem
Produced more workers and cheapened labor costs. Happening today on other fronts, also.
That Was Gonna Happen Regardless
She's just wrong.
The book Bostonians was written in 1886 and it talks about very early proto first wave of Feminism.
It was EXACTLY the same as it is today 140 years later.
Yeah Zuby, Kings and Chronicles, really show that what we’re going through today has all been done before. The cycle of human arrogance and self deception is laid out for all to see.
Most monsters were cute once.
Man: if feminism led us where we are today...
Woman: true! But feminism is about equality between men and women... 🤖 🇨🇳
I enjoyed this very much Zubes. Her perspective is valid. Thank you. Big fan of your work
Adam blamed God actually. The Woman You Gave Me!!!!!
This discussion exactly aligns with my longtime views.
What’s good Zuby. I’m hoping you can recognize me now. Met you at the Heathrow airport end of Feb. like I mentioned to you then. Thanks for your good work, I enjoy your content
I sometimes wonder why I am alive during these times when there is a huge overcorrection of social issues at the expense of especially straight, white, men like myself. I wonder if I will ever get justice for the trauma I have experienced when people who claim to stand for social justice told me that my problems were trivial or invalid because of my race or gender. I even believed them for the longest time, I carried that weight around with me and felt bad for so long until I realized that there was a reason for it, and that I matter as a human being and gained some self respect. It's pretty disgusting of women who don't think that they should take men's problems into consideration, and are just so casual about bashing traditional masculinity as if they know you better than you know yourself. I think deeper than most people, I always seek the truth, and care more than a lot of women. But nobody can even speak the truth anymore that society is shifting away from and making it harder to maintain as a man in a traditional relationship. Men are dying the most deaths of despair and have been for quite some time, and that's a fact, and women who don't care how men are doing are meanwhile making all the money in a society that favors them now. But nobody can admit that women have it better because women rely on being the victims of an oppressive patriarchy to justify their empowerment in society. We share the world we live in together and relationships and physical intimacy are a healthy and natural part of life. But I don't think women even realize the mental chaos they cause when they don't think things through and dodge having to face any consequences for how they can make men feel and then when a man will just lash out in some way that sets not only them back but other people as well. When men make the effort and try to humble themselves, accept that they need people, and put their problems on the back burner, and it goes unnoticed, it makes them feel cheated. Especially when they are the only ones giving in and making a compromise for a woman who takes it for granted. And it just is so stupid how liberal women who claim to be progressive when it comes to social issues will revert back to natural selection in their love life and when challenged about it they still will demoralize men and hold men's problems against them without trying to understand, as if they are just because of a flaw of character like being weak minded instead of a reaction to being treated like crap when you'd at first be led to believe that progressive women might be refreshing and different, but they're really not.
Men have been bred to be selfless, but the rational part of the brain rightly calls this into question. This internal conflict was long resolved by a man characterizing his sacrifices as noble and thus sensible. He places the good of the whole above himself, and so people will weep and say kind things at his funeral. Once that bubble was burst by women's ever more vocal sense of entitlement, such sacrifice could no longer be rationalized, and so men are in crisis. Why should I sacrifice for a society that hates me and yells it in my face daily? But if I don't put myself last and work myself to death, then who am I? Men don't know what to do without chains.
do not be gaslighted, poor men are the hardest thrown out and spat on group there is in society. Women live lives of privilege on comparison and still complain
By rights we should have a panel to unleash all the trauma.... And even compile some morality .
Women and feminists too have important structures to add. The pop version makes it tribal and very women vs. men.
Mens rights also has some interesting Truths too. And again it gets tribal men vs. women.
Both can be very cringey but thats often because other peoples trauma are like assholes!
Where in the world can we be individuals? It's very hard to find the people who allow for particular beings. Especially as an adult. Very hard to meet friends who want to rebuild society. Haha. We need a weirdacalypse!!
I always thought that the 2nd wave she’s describing in the ‘20s was 1st wave. Glad to be corrected, because I’ve been out here talking crazy 😂
It's no surprise that every society that adopted feminism is currently imploding. Meanwhile, all the patriarchal societies are still going strong, with strong identities that don't apologize for their history. Feminism ensured that the direction Western society was moving was influenced more by emotions and feelings than facts and reason. It was going to end up this way from the very beginning.
Lila Rose is a Trad Feminist. She sounds conservative until you ask her about traditional gender roles. The Husband must be the leader if you want a traditional family.
Why?
Marriage is a partnership, not a slave-owner relationship. Get out of your cave!
@@Ariana-wv4pf If you think traditional gender roles are the same as slavery, then you are part of the problem.
@@Ariana-wv4pfsl@ve owner relationship because he said husband must be leader yet piigs like you expect men to protect and provide for her? Be chivalrous and put her needs and safety first? Is he her sl@ve and her bodyguard? Ohh it’s only acceptable to expect trad roles from men and any sort of expectation of trad women is sl@very.
Western women are a li@bility to men they want all the perks of trad relationship of men being traditional yet want none of the responsibilities of trad roles
@@Ariana-wv4pf If i wanted a partnership I'd enter one with a man who is more useful.
She might want to read Occult Feminism by Rachel Wilson.
She’s flat out wrong about her assessment of “first wave” efinism
Suffrage wasn’t just about women. It was about race and socio-economics, too. The temperance movement had a lot to do with it, and the Law of Coverature. It was a tumultuous time period in history. It was complicated with a lot of subgroups that had their own influence from both sides.
Thank Gloria
The guest here plays the old game of "If feminists of 100 years ago didn't achieve something immediately, then it must not have been among their goals." It's grossly disingenuous and meant to present something inherently malevolent as having started with noble intent. There are no waves of feminism, only stages of completion. She is very nervously parroting tradcon talking points in a bid to distance herself from what the ideology invariably brings while maintaining the unearned benefits it has given her. "Sure, women were given the keys and immediately drove the car into a ditch, but we shouldn't have the keys taken away. Um... abortion is bad!"
Eve ate that apple...she was bugging.
Worst part of double the workforce half the pay
Her point there at the end about Adam failing Eve and subsequently blaming her was an interesting point. It really made think of myself and how I tend to blame women and feminists for the failure of feminism. It makes me think; in regards to feminism going off the rails, how much do men have to own in itsfailure?
Where would we be if men had taken a more active and guiding hand to help women achieve their goals instead of their throwing hands up and leaving women on the own? If reversed where men had a vague goal and didn't have women to provide counter points would end up badly for Man. These ideas are just starting for me and I will need to have it marinade abit but I thought others may as well benefit from this. Have a wonderful day.
This is why we’re here in the first place. Men like you listening to women who blame them for everything. Think about that too.
When you bring up the Margaret Sanger conversation to BW, it's like it goes in one ear and out of the other. Very unbelievable, tbh.
What should we do, be surprised, care, or give you a cookie? Most women like controlling our own fertility whether you like it or not. You want kids, you have them. Leave women alone with your arrogance and entitlement. You don't get a say, sorry not sorry!
I was on board for most of what she was saying. Then she placed the blame on Adam and that’s when she lost most of her credibility. They are completely allergic to accountability.
Women voting was a state issue. I believe women were voting in New Jersey in 1790. 1920 was just the nationalizing of voting for all the states to do it the same.
Many women owned property and went to University. They also enjoyed those rights without the earned responsibilities men have to had.
Own a gun, join the fire brigade, join the militia or registered draft as well as own property.
After all, voter registration was from the registry of deeds. Not a computer. You didn't want transients voting.
And that needs to stop they get the same responsibilities or none at all.
1:39 - 1:42
True but that wasn’t the goal of feminism, if it was they’d have just ported Islamic laws which were “progressive” for the time it was initially founded, (property rights, inheritance rights, education rights, etc).
Plus me had the right to vote cause they are usually the ones used when it comes to war , but women don't have that they have vote without joining the army.
The problem with sayong the opposite side of the coin is good, isnthat it forgets what happens when things get repressed and overly strictured. We swing one way till it gets crappy, then it starts to swing the other.
Eve listened to Satan's lies, she ate the forbidden fruit, didn't want to be held accountable for her actions...tried to con Adam into sharing some of the blame. Adam knew Eve was going to have to leave the Garden, wanted to be with his wife bc he loves her unconditionally, & ate the fruit, too. They were cast out [of Eden & God's presence] together, and had to hunt & farm & have a family. And when Eve started having children, then she learned how to love someone other than herself, too... And so many women these days reject that bc they can't be bothered to love anyone or anything past the nose on their face, or past their belly and rear end, depending on how proud a glutton/feminist they are.
extremely profound paragraph here.
Having equal dignity in life and in society doesn't destroy. If the foundation of society were abuse, control, opression and injustice of its female half, thats not a society worth upholding. All men have mothers and sisters. Women are full human beings that deserve their full human rights. Along woth responsibility and accountability. Some people take things too far. But NO human being should be oppressed
I hear a lot of feminists speaking about the excesses of “modern” feminism, but not addressing whether these excesses are or are not a logical outgrowth of the previous waves. I just hear, “well, I wanted everything to be turned upside down, but not -this- upside down!”
They will keep doing it until they feel it will stick!
The roots of feminism is in Genesis 3:16: ”Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.” Genesis 3:16 ESV
It does NOT effing depend!!
I am personally not against any ideology or movement whether it is harmful or not. I am only against the laws abiding with these movements to create an unfair legal situation between men and women. Every person -including women - is free in their choices, as long as they bear its consequences on their own. But if the laws and society are biased towards women then that's a huge problem men need to rise up and defend themselves against.
This lady needs to listen to Janice Fiamengo on early feminism.
Sin is sin, only the terminology changes.
Wow
I would say 'self help' was a large gateway.
Well there were some good reasons for kinsey research, someone had to take the leap into this field. You cant just pretend the problem doesn't exist.
ironically all those "rights" she said women ought to have, they already had with the exception of the vote and for good reason.
The mom is female
Why is it that every time I hear a woman talk for more than three minutes I end up getting a headache?
10:00 Bruh...Leading doesn't mean micromanaging and looking over someone's shoulder 24/7. Also, Eve ate of the fruit because she wanted to be like God and compete with God. Adam did it because he loved Eve and wanted to be with her! Don't twist this ish to act like they had the same motivation and same amount of responsibility! Yes, Adam is responsible for his actions and disobeying God, but don't act like it's the same. Eve tempted Adam, not the other way around. If Eve never existed, would Adam had sinned? No. If Adam had never existed, would Eve had sinned? Yes. So, stop it.
Yep. It is a story about human nature and how men differ from women.
Yep
Notice how she tried dodge accountability.......she blames Adam anyways.
Motive is irrelevant
@@tom-iv6lcIt's not a real story. It's a fairy tale.
00:50 If you're positive about the first wave of feminism, you probably don't know understand it. I reccommend The End of Woman: How Smashing the Patriarchy Has Destroyed Us by Carrie Gress.
I always thought feminism started because husbands and fathers were either out of control (narcissistic power, alcohol abuse, irrational beliefs, womanizing, lazy or too hard working, full of themselves, uncommunicative etc.) or just mean spirited. I'm a man and I see other men being like this. If I were a young and naive woman back in the day and falling for his initial charms and promise of security I'd be mightily disappointed eventually. My biggest ask of my partner in life would be that they are emotionally stable and just. That's a win in life. Today women want everything magic, anything less is considered abuse. I am not magic and I wouldn't want to get into something where I'm set up to fail.
Top Z nailed it again!
Eve heeded temptation
and Adam let her persuade him
without seeking God first
Excusing first wave feminism as being alright is like saying first wave Nazism started out fine until it wasn’t.
She must not know that history didn't start for people on the planet today until the 1960s.
Most men could not vote at one time unless they owned property or land.
Don't Blame Adam for Eve's Sin.
Adam didn't do anything wrong besides FOLLOW Eve (that was his Sin), which is what Feminism is about "ruling men"
They existed in Paradise and both were instructed to not eat from the Forbidden Tree.
There was no reason for Adam to fear so as to alert Eve to be on the watch for a deceiver.
He didn't fail to "cover her" or protect her.
God gave each one their sentence for their individual faults (Eve, Adam, and the serpent)
God didn't accuse Adam of "not covering his wife"
Her sin was her own waywardness, just as women today
I’m glad u caught that as I did as well….Exactly ……the scripture of Sirach 25:24 makes it clear. …this woman in this video is the very reason they are instructed to remain silent when class is in session. They mix lies with only an ounce of truth.
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(funny we both got Seven in our user names)
Women will always be here to be used as the subject of male desire. In times of upheaval or war, we are victims of rape. The burden of child rearing will always fall on women. The only escape is to not participate and hope you walk in the grace of men who are good and do us no harm.
Our bodies are weak and vulnerable, there is no avoiding this. We scramble like ants in a mound disrupted seeking resolution, protection but at the end having no understanding.
You females side with the criminals in government then make sure men can't see their kids. Your misandry is showing.
” the burden of child rearing always falls on women ” you want men to give birth now? In times of war if you’re victims of grape men are victims of being burned aliive, legs hands falling apart, bullet wounds, women like you act as if men who went to war went for a picnic
In times of upheaval or war, we are victims of deaths on battlefields, being maimed, or being executed.
For every r*pe you give me, I can give you a story of war horrors so horrific they make the Bibles description of Hell sound like a child's cartoon.
One right of the top of my head: What was done to prisoners of the Bulgarian army. They took about 8,000. They divided the prisoners into groups of 100 men, blinded 99 men in each group and left one man in each with one eye so that he could lead the others home. Imagine thousands of completely blind men returning to a village. How many of those men ended themselves we'll never know -- I'm sure it was many because hardships of the past make those of today look like a beauty pageant.
Would you rather be r**ed, or blinded in both eyes? And how many men were r**ed as prisonors of war? We'll never know because men's shame would never allow them to admit it and our vvomen would be utterly disgusted by them.
Why is it I've never heard about even one male POW who was r**ed for torture. Because a soldier would take that secret to his grave and his entire chain of command would memory-hole it on his behalf -- if they knew about it at all.
Your problems are survivable in most cases. Men's are not. This has been the nature of all war -- where the females are worth more alive than dead, but the males (including children) were put the sword.
Until you're able to understand who does all the dying on your behalf, you will never become fully human and grateful for what has been done on your behalf. The levels of male suffering on behalf of XXs is beyond the imagination of any XXs.
Being expendable is a foreign concept to all XXs -- and they know it.
Until you understand that males are trained from birth to know we're expendable, you will never understand a man.
Until you understand that men only have value when we provide value to others, you will never understand the burden which rests upon our shoulders for all of our lives.
Now I hear the refrain of the loser of the argument, "This isn't a contest." To which I say, "Of course not, it's a comparison for which you threw down the gauntlet and dared anyone to refute."
Consider it refuted. One day, if you shall ever become a full grown adult, you'll possess the capacity to understand that XXs were always protected and kept out of harms way while men died in the millions trying to provide for you. Hunting, war, predators, we protected you from everything. Once we created a police and welfare state to make you safer than ever before, you then decide to assert equality -- after almost all the hunting and dying has been done. How convenient.
But your ingratitude doesn't hurt others more than it hurts you. A lack of gratitude yields despair. Gratitude is the only antidote to despair. Comparison is the thief of joy. Unless and until you can understand what others have provided for you at their expense, you will live in a world of constant anger and make yourself incapable of loving or of being truly loved by anyone. You will only ever see the slights against your own kind while ignoring the hell which men have lived since the dawn of time.
But this is good. It exposes those who don't merit friendship or a relationship. People who aren't capable of gratitude destroy everything they touch -- it's never good enough. In the end, they end up alone for the back 40 of their lives -- and nobody of merit remains in their orbit. They attract par-a-sites.
@@michaeldavid6832 ”people who aren’t capable of gratitude destroy everything they touch ” sir you just defined modern women and femini$m, they are destr0ying EVERYTHING they touch movie industry, gaming industry, blue collar jobs, colleges, metoo in workplace, destroying families, single motherhood, dating nightm@re, now lgbt .
It took women hardly 50 years to ruin everything
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@@michaeldavid6832 how men are dem0nized in this society but the moment a random woman is in trouble these women expect and feel entitled to men risking their lives for them? For what? For dem0nizing men all the time?
I’m glad men are no longer helping women and looking after their own safety