Interesting video. I would think the actual chain makes a huge difference on how well it would cut. This is a very good video for out of the box testing. Maybe in a future follow-up, you can try testing standardizing the chain, and see if that makes a difference in performance or not. That said, we can go down the rabbit hole on testing, so I understand if that's just too much.
DeWalt DCCS623B Makita DUC101Z Makita DUC150Z Worx WG325E Brushless (this should be a beast) Worx WG324E Non brushles Stihl GTA 26 Stihl GTA 40 Husqvarna Aspire P5-P4A Bosch EasyChain 18V-15-7 and so many others.... but this above would be appreciated in part 2.
@@Tools-Tested You might understand that I am from Europe as the list contains some devices only available in EU. Not a problem at all, if the Husqvarna and Bosch are not available in US, just ignore them. The Sthil GTA 40 was launched this year and might be not quickly available. It is the version that was meant for professionals, as they claimed that the GTA 26 doesn't contain an oil tank and the operating time is too limited.
Great review! My local Home Depot has a bunch of the M18 saws on the clearance shelf listed for $249 for the kit. Even though I don’t need another charger, the 6ah battery is always welcome.
Great video. I have approximately 100 oak trees on my property and they lose branches every winter. Plus I have to cut down the branches that die every year. Of course, I use my gas powered chainsaw for the big diameter stuff. However, anyone who bucks wood knows there is a lot of brushing working to cleanup the fallen stuff. I have had a M12 6" Milwaukee for a number a years (there wasn't an M18 at the time I got it). The M12 with a 5.0 High Capacity cuts through 6" branches or less like butter (even larger branches by double cutting). What makes the M12 stand out for me is how light and maneuverable it is which is a very big plus when brushing. Fits right through the maze of branches and is easy to hold when my arms are extended. Haven't used it to cut through wood like in your test but out on my property, it can't be beat. Haven't held the M18 yet but it does look a lot bigger and my not be as easy to handle. Bucking wood, especially on side hills requires a lot of bending, stooping, kneeing, etc. So it would be nice to see how those saws work in that situation. Again, great video.
P.S. - Anyone who bucks wood (or trims bushes) uses the top of the bar as well. So those saws with the guards on top would be a royal pain in the you know what.
@@billcuningham586 I think pretty much all of these (except Milwaukee) aren't meant for serious users. They are lightweight homeowner tools for people that aren't comfortable with chainsaws and just want to do some light pruning and don't like the vibration of a reciprocating saw.
@toolscientist When the three of us took down a 60ft choke cherry tree; it was done with all battery operated chainsaws. From the 24" EGO CSX5000, to the 8" Kebtek, plus the 25v Kebtek pruning shears. Not professional, to be sure; but definitely a step above 'homeowner grade'. The smaller branches 3" and under; were ripped to shreds with the 11mps Kebtek mini chainsaw. The 20" trunk was rapidly dispatched with the EGO CS2000 and the CSX5000.
That Milwaukee 3004-20 is truly all most homeowners and even lineman would need. I had the 3004 as well as the top handle Milwaukee and after getting the new 60v DeWalt DCCS674. I sold the Milwaukee 2826 cuz after the dewalt I couldn’t handle the chatter cutting smalls (Which DeWalt corrected by bumping up the chain speed significantly vs the 2826 >30% also the 2826 needs forge packs man. it overloaded batterys and fried the chips in 3 of the 8ah HO packs in
@Jeff-rk8hq You’re definitely in the minority with that opinion. Wherever it’s sold, it has thousands of reviews and 5 stars, so it’s very popular and well-liked. 🤷♂️
Thanks, good video. I bought the Kobalt last year with no battery for around $119. Already had kobalt batteries. So far It does fine even on hardwood branches. I could not see paying big bucks for one of these units when I have a few gas chainsaws around. It did not take to long to fill up my 10' x 5' utility trailer 2 times now.with this little guy. My only real complaint is I wished it flowed more bar oil.
Would be good to have tool weights in the final chart. The Milwaukee is kinda in a class of its own here as it's the only tool without extra safety guards and also the only one with metal spikes. So it's obviously intended for more serious use than the others.
I know it's impossible to test all of them; there are so many. But conspicuous by it's absence was the Kebtek. They make several different ones. I'm referring here to the roughly 100-120.00 8" model. A very high chain speed, fast cutting saw. I have two of them and I think they're great. I've only seen one other brand that has a higher chain speed than Kebtek's 11m/s. And you can really lean on it.
Great test and analysis. As a saw guy, it amazes me how little thought went into many of these and how poor the designs are given the resources of the manufacturer. However, I was surprised by the lack of representation from the big three saw brands which usually shine in this area: Stihl, Husqvarna and Echo. Also, the EGO brand is the current king of consumer electric outdoor power equipment. Leaving them out is kinda like doing a drill test without Milwaukee, Dewalt and Makita. Lastly, I think two important tests for us saw guys are run time and balance/ergonomics. The M18 is powerful, but how efficient is it? I'd suggest seeing how many passes the saws can manage on the 4x6 before they run dry on the standard pack. Also, do they balance well and are they comfortable to use for long periods? Best for big or small hands? Etc. Thanks again for the tests and hard work- I look forward to the next video.
Actually EGO, (Chervon), WAS represented by their sister brand Skil. I think the EGO marque is going to stay with their gigundo 56v battery; leaving the lower voltage tools for the Skil PowerCore brand.
Yeah seems like ego and Milwaukee have put a ton into OPT. I will say though I love the Dewalt pole saw. Yeah it’s almost like metabo just released it to shut people up lol. Not the greatest but I would take it over the craftsman and Tietoc.
Love seeing more dyno data. Looks like only M18 (1:10), Kobalt (2:10), and Ryobi (6:50) reach peak power. Only M18 handles it gracefully. Kobalt especially goes whacky - if I had to guess I'd say the ESC mosfets are shooting up in temperature and therefore resistance, so could be about to release magic smoke.
Yeah it’s limited up to 5 choices, the other drawback is I probably won’t get to that topic till one or two months later. It takes a lot of planning/testing and even buying all the tools. That said, it probably would hurt to see what videos the channel subs are interested in.
I'd love to see some Einhell products reviewed. Compact saws would be FORTEXXA 18/20 TH and GE-PS 18/15 Li BL for example. Don't know about availability in the US though.
How bout the real dewalt 1? It does have that stupid nose guard like the craftsman but an 8" bar. I drilled the rivets out and took that stupid nose guard off mine
Question about those 3ah ryobi batteries u mentioned being 50 bucks rn at HD.. are u sure those are the ones w the 21700s? lol I've gotten 2 other 3ah hp batts that I figured were the ones w 21700s, but ended up not having em.. so I just wanted to see if u knew forsure/ any advice on how can u tell that it's the correct battery
I’m really happy with my m18 pruning saw. But don’t buy the m12. The thumb safety is a bad design and you have to push it with the side of your thumb. Super awkward.
It's frustrating when mfg's don't offer tool only options. In my case I have a 5 yrs old brushed Skil recip that works perfect as a once per year pruning saw. It would tempting to buy new mini chain saw for $65 but not a new kit at $130. The old brushed recip is a little workhorse. And I've never owned chainsaw that didn't require some maintenance or adjustment with every use, that negates a faster cut.
That M18 is NOT a mini chainsaw! Nor are any of the others with the 45° motor. Are they smaller than a conventional chainsaw? Of course. Are they a 'true' mini? Just look at them side by side; the physical size difference is obvious. That's why I call them 'Hybrids'.
On board oiler is a a big no on these small saws you don't make a lot of cuts with these saws and most of the time one oiling is all you need because those oilers always leak
Fabulous reviews! No opinion or fluff or excuses! Just the straight facts! I'm subscribed!
Interesting video. I would think the actual chain makes a huge difference on how well it would cut. This is a very good video for out of the box testing. Maybe in a future follow-up, you can try testing standardizing the chain, and see if that makes a difference in performance or not. That said, we can go down the rabbit hole on testing, so I understand if that's just too much.
I agree. My EGO CS1800's performance was greatly increased when I switched out the chain for a full chisel chain.
DeWalt DCCS623B
Makita DUC101Z
Makita DUC150Z
Worx WG325E Brushless (this should be a beast)
Worx WG324E Non brushles
Stihl GTA 26
Stihl GTA 40
Husqvarna Aspire P5-P4A
Bosch EasyChain 18V-15-7
and so many others.... but this above would be appreciated in part 2.
Will do! The Husqvarna and Bosch might be tricky because they are not sold on the US.
Thanks for the list, didn’t know Stihl made 2 versions.
@@Tools-Tested You might understand that I am from Europe as the list contains some devices only available in EU. Not a problem at all, if the Husqvarna and Bosch are not available in US, just ignore them.
The Sthil GTA 40 was launched this year and might be not quickly available. It is the version that was meant for professionals, as they claimed that the GTA 26 doesn't contain an oil tank and the operating time is too limited.
@@lefaucheur7708 yeah, I will see if I can import them, I’m really curious on the 40.
Milwaukee M18 is a beast and super useful almost anywhere. One of my favorite tools.
Yeah crazy performance for a small saw.
@@Tools-Tested'small saw'? Yes. Mini? No.
Great review! My local Home Depot has a bunch of the M18 saws on the clearance shelf listed for $249 for the kit. Even though I don’t need another charger, the 6ah battery is always welcome.
Great video. I have approximately 100 oak trees on my property and they lose branches every winter. Plus I have to cut down the branches that die every year. Of course, I use my gas powered chainsaw for the big diameter stuff. However, anyone who bucks wood knows there is a lot of brushing working to cleanup the fallen stuff. I have had a M12 6" Milwaukee for a number a years (there wasn't an M18 at the time I got it). The M12 with a 5.0 High Capacity cuts through 6" branches or less like butter (even larger branches by double cutting). What makes the M12 stand out for me is how light and maneuverable it is which is a very big plus when brushing. Fits right through the maze of branches and is easy to hold when my arms are extended. Haven't used it to cut through wood like in your test but out on my property, it can't be beat. Haven't held the M18 yet but it does look a lot bigger and my not be as easy to handle. Bucking wood, especially on side hills requires a lot of bending, stooping, kneeing, etc. So it would be nice to see how those saws work in that situation. Again, great video.
P.S. - Anyone who bucks wood (or trims bushes) uses the top of the bar as well. So those saws with the guards on top would be a royal pain in the you know what.
@@billcuningham586 I think pretty much all of these (except Milwaukee) aren't meant for serious users. They are lightweight homeowner tools for people that aren't comfortable with chainsaws and just want to do some light pruning and don't like the vibration of a reciprocating saw.
@toolscientist When the three of us took down a 60ft choke cherry tree; it was done with all battery operated chainsaws. From the 24" EGO CSX5000, to the 8" Kebtek, plus the 25v Kebtek pruning shears.
Not professional, to be sure; but definitely a step above 'homeowner grade'.
The smaller branches 3" and under; were ripped to shreds with the 11mps Kebtek mini chainsaw.
The 20" trunk was rapidly dispatched with the EGO CS2000 and the CSX5000.
That Milwaukee 3004-20 is truly all most homeowners and even lineman would need. I had the 3004 as well as the top handle Milwaukee and after getting the new 60v DeWalt DCCS674. I sold the Milwaukee 2826 cuz after the dewalt I couldn’t handle the chatter cutting smalls (Which DeWalt corrected by bumping up the chain speed significantly vs the 2826 >30% also the 2826 needs forge packs man. it overloaded batterys and fried the chips in 3 of the 8ah HO packs in
I kinda don't consider that Dewalt a true top handle. Your hand is positioned behind the motor; unlike a true top handle.
Stihl’s GTA 26 should definitely be in part 2.
That one’s awful man stihls cordless stuffs trash
@Jeff-rk8hq You’re definitely in the minority with that opinion. Wherever it’s sold, it has thousands of reviews and 5 stars, so it’s very popular and well-liked. 🤷♂️
Yeah, idk how Sthil wasn't right up top
It’s Milwaukee for the win! I have both Milwaukee hatchets modified slightly just with the next size up bar/chain and they still work great for me!
Thanks, good video. I bought the Kobalt last year with no battery for around $119. Already had kobalt batteries. So far It does fine even on hardwood branches. I could not see paying big bucks for one of these units when I have a few gas chainsaws around. It did not take to long to fill up my 10' x 5' utility trailer 2 times now.with this little guy. My only real complaint is I wished it flowed more bar oil.
Would be good to have tool weights in the final chart. The Milwaukee is kinda in a class of its own here as it's the only tool without extra safety guards and also the only one with metal spikes. So it's obviously intended for more serious use than the others.
Exactly my point!
I know it's impossible to test all of them; there are so many.
But conspicuous by it's absence was the Kebtek. They make several different ones. I'm referring here to the roughly 100-120.00 8" model.
A very high chain speed, fast cutting saw.
I have two of them and I think they're great. I've only seen one other brand that has a higher chain speed than Kebtek's 11m/s. And you can really lean on it.
I consider a few of these saws hybrids; because of their big bulky design.
Mini means mini.
That M18 could probably run a 14" bar!
Nice Tool Show mention. Good comprehensive video so I hope that boosts your subscribers
Yeah I seen that, figured Sarah would like that video lol. Thanks, hopefully it will help with the subs.
Really curious about the Makita. But that Milwaukee is gonna reign supreme for sure.
Yeah should be interesting to see how it ranks.
Thanks for another great review!
No problem!
Great test and analysis. As a saw guy, it amazes me how little thought went into many of these and how poor the designs are given the resources of the manufacturer. However, I was surprised by the lack of representation from the big three saw brands which usually shine in this area: Stihl, Husqvarna and Echo. Also, the EGO brand is the current king of consumer electric outdoor power equipment. Leaving them out is kinda like doing a drill test without Milwaukee, Dewalt and Makita.
Lastly, I think two important tests for us saw guys are run time and balance/ergonomics. The M18 is powerful, but how efficient is it? I'd suggest seeing how many passes the saws can manage on the 4x6 before they run dry on the standard pack. Also, do they balance well and are they comfortable to use for long periods? Best for big or small hands? Etc. Thanks again for the tests and hard work- I look forward to the next video.
The lack of an oiler on many of these is annoying. Gotta carry a can of lube with you around the yard if doing a bunch of pruning.
Actually EGO, (Chervon), WAS represented by their sister brand Skil. I think the EGO marque is going to stay with their gigundo 56v battery; leaving the lower voltage tools for the Skil PowerCore brand.
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it
I feel like Milwaukee and Ego have the foothold on all electric outdoor power tools. Surprised by the low performance from the metabo
Yeah seems like ego and Milwaukee have put a ton into OPT. I will say though I love the Dewalt pole saw.
Yeah it’s almost like metabo just released it to shut people up lol. Not the greatest but I would take it over the craftsman and Tietoc.
Love seeing more dyno data. Looks like only M18 (1:10), Kobalt (2:10), and Ryobi (6:50) reach peak power. Only M18 handles it gracefully. Kobalt especially goes whacky - if I had to guess I'd say the ESC mosfets are shooting up in temperature and therefore resistance, so could be about to release magic smoke.
Very interesting test! Can you do voting on RUclips? It would be interesting to see what the audience prefers
I think you can only have 4 vote choices on yt...
Yeah it’s limited up to 5 choices, the other drawback is I probably won’t get to that topic till one or two months later.
It takes a lot of planning/testing and even buying all the tools.
That said, it probably would hurt to see what videos the channel subs are interested in.
@@Tools-Tested sorry, I mean if people have tried the mini saws, if they like them or not. Like a survey after each dyno.
I'd love to see some Einhell products reviewed. Compact saws would be FORTEXXA 18/20 TH and GE-PS 18/15 Li BL for example. Don't know about availability in the US though.
Boa noite, você tem algum vídeo com teste de torque wrench do Aliexpress, Goyojo digital, Sayke e wisretec?
Obrigado
Great video
Could you do a similar test on full size chainsaws?
(For example: Stihl Msa 300, Makita XGT and LXT, Milwaukee...)
And especially the EGO CS2005 and the CSX5000. Both of these perform better with the next size up battery.
How bout the real dewalt 1? It does have that stupid nose guard like the craftsman but an 8" bar. I drilled the rivets out and took that stupid nose guard off mine
Question about those 3ah ryobi batteries u mentioned being 50 bucks rn at HD.. are u sure those are the ones w the 21700s? lol I've gotten 2 other 3ah hp batts that I figured were the ones w 21700s, but ended up not having em.. so I just wanted to see if u knew forsure/ any advice on how can u tell that it's the correct battery
I’m really happy with my m18 pruning saw. But don’t buy the m12. The thumb safety is a bad design and you have to push it with the side of your thumb. Super awkward.
My little Kebtek 5" saw has the same problem with the awkward position of the safety button.
No actual dewalt?
It's frustrating when mfg's don't offer tool only options. In my case I have a 5 yrs old brushed Skil recip that works perfect as a once per year pruning saw. It would tempting to buy new mini chain saw for $65 but not a new kit at $130.
The old brushed recip is a little workhorse. And I've never owned chainsaw that didn't require some maintenance or adjustment with every use, that negates a faster cut.
DeWalt?
Next mini saw video!
Why no DeWalt?
Because I can’t afford to do 20 saws in one video, it will be in part 2.
No Makita? WHY?
14:54 coming in part 2. He said he's having problems with the Makita's soft-start
That M18 is NOT a mini chainsaw! Nor are any of the others with the 45° motor. Are they smaller than a conventional chainsaw? Of course. Are they a 'true' mini? Just look at them side by side; the physical size difference is obvious.
That's why I call them 'Hybrids'.
I have the craftsman and I can't stall it my friend has the Milwaukee which stalls easy
On board oiler is a a big no on these small saws you don't make a lot of cuts with these saws and most of the time one oiling is all you need because those oilers always leak