In this particular team where all the teammates gives so much common dmg, it ends up being so much that you'll need to compensate the lack of defense in comparison, def goblet should always be better here, but just in case i do have a pretty good geo marechaussee one. It's just that in this team she needs to compensate the lack of defense over those good amounts of dmg.
This team is a lot better than the first one you mentioned, and should be better than the second one, It will vary a lot based on the builds and consts, my Yelan here is dealing extra 51k~66k damage per ult proc (17k~22k per arrow x3) and Xilonen by default should give better buffs than Kachina/Gorou for the whole team (Sadly she needs 2 PHEC units or C2 to proc the res shred for GEO), double hydro for Yelan and Furina means more personal damage from them, and do remember that c0 Chiori needs a geo construct for the extra tamoto (Which you'll not have in this team since Gorou's E and ult are not considered geo constructs) which translates in needing at least c1 in order to be on pair with the damage, even with that the damage should be lower than the team i showcased.
@@Klepya thanks for the info my friend noelle truly takes no L’s and keeps getting buffed also imagining how much dmg a noelle can do with c2 furina c2 xilonen c6 gorou and her having c6 with redhord doesn’t stop making me happy although I probably won’t be able to try that team due to how costly it is it still nonetheless makes me happy
@@Klepya also because she runs furina and rehorn with gorou and xilonen and assuming we run the hunter set we would get soo much crit and elemental dmg bonus u think its worth it to run a def% sands goblet and a circlet?
@@matarisan4583 You'll definitely want to use Def Sands and Goblet, that's for sure, regarding Circlet it may be a little harder to be sure if it is better or not to use a Def one just for the sake of Balance and increasing damage output... Some over my head calcs suggest that taking into account that Gorou gives 40% Geo crit dmg, Redhorn 88 cdmg so you'll have 178 cdmg for free adding the base 50%, regarding elemental dmg, gorou will give you 15%, xilonen 50% from c2 + 40% from scroll and Furina 75/100/125 if she's c0/c1/c3 with crowned ult so 180/205/230 we should add the extra common damage here NA/Charged from C2 and Marechaussee (15% for NA and 30% for charged) 195-210/220-235/245-260 and 15% damage dealt from geo resonance 210-225/235-250/260-275, if you can get a similar crit dmg without crit circlet then def circlet is super viable, it will be really hard to reach 2600 otherwise, you'll use a lot of crit rolls to reach decent Crit rate and 260 cdmg. I may be forgetting something like abyss rng cards and one or other passive i don't remember atm, but roghly 55~64 Crit rate for good consistency, 2700 Def with those Elemental and common dmg buffs reaching 210~235 and 230~250 cdmg should be the good looking numbers you'll want for Noelle in that team. You can balance it with lot of Def subs or lots of Crit subs it will depend on your subrolls luck.
Forgot about ER, Noelle needs a lot of ER if you get 140+ and a fav on the team she should be okay, those are a lot of subs. TLDR Sadly it's really hard to balance all those stats, the point is that if you calculate your % extra def and it's a lot higher than your cdmg you'll preffer cdmg, but if it is a lot lower you'll preffer a def one. (Extra def * 100 divided by base def (Noelle's is 799 at lvl 90)) compare that to your cdmg and try to balance both 😁
With Xilonen C2+ you can replace Yelan with Gorou, otherwise her geo sample won't be active, which means no res reduction. C0/C1 Xilonen requires 2 PHEC (Pyro, Hydro, Electro or Cryo) characters to be able to charge her Nighstoul state (The bar besides the character when you press E), once completed she activates her samples and start to shred res of those elements marked on the samples, with C2 her geo samples are always active so you can technically just swap to use her to proc a reaction and activate scroll (40% elemental dmg for the elements involved in a reaction).
@@KlepyaWait this actually changes everything for me. I gave up on pulling on xilonen for my noelle cuz I thought I'd need to pull on yelan too. So I thought I should aim for c2 xianyun.. do you think c2 xilonen would be better?
@@kingk3366 Did some quick calcs on optimizer with the artifacts i have, it should be almost the same in terms of damage, at least for my builds doing 17~18 charged attack hits with C2 Xilonen 4p Scroll C6 Gorou and C1 furina it was around 1.33m single target dmg, on the other hand doing 8 plunges with C2 Xianyun 4p Noblesse, C6 Gorou and C1 Furina she did 1.35m single target damage barely noticeable difference, may vary a lil bit more with different artifacts sets and options but it should be the same, remember that those are only Noelle's Damage, in the team i showcased if we change my C0 Xilonen for a C2 one she'll deal 600k~680k single target dmg but Yelan compensates with an extra 850k~920k single target dmg per rotation which results in 1.5m. Everything here is single target damage, having more than 1 enemy will bennefit the teams without Xianyun a lot more due to her plunge buff mechanics being single target oriented.
It could technically work, sadly due to the extra ult seconds you get from c6 you can do more than 1 rotation with just 1 ult, but if you can compensate that dmg with yelan it should be fine, you'll also convert less def to atk (50% to be precise) which also translates in less personal dmg. Not talking about the extra damage loss not using redhorn which is a lot less dmg, you'll basically be using Noelle there just to heal the whole team
@@Klepya hmm 😔 ...i thought Noelle gonna come on xilonen banner so atleast I can c6 her coz 5 star claymore is out of reach unless mauvika weapon synergies well but 😭
![I FINALLY Finished Fontaine [Genshin Impact]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FZRMGmI_nVo/mqdefault.jpg)
![I FINALLY Finished Fontaine [Genshin Impact]](/img/tr.png)
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
I was looking this Noelle team setup, exactly Noelle, Xilonen, Furina and Yelan!!... thank you 🙏
Why def goblet on noelle instead of geo? Is it because it has better substats? Or do you think it is better for damage on this team?
In this particular team where all the teammates gives so much common dmg, it ends up being so much that you'll need to compensate the lack of defense in comparison, def goblet should always be better here, but just in case i do have a pretty good geo marechaussee one. It's just that in this team she needs to compensate the lack of defense over those good amounts of dmg.
How good is this team compared to noelle furina gorou kachina or noelle furina gorou chiori ?
This team is a lot better than the first one you mentioned, and should be better than the second one, It will vary a lot based on the builds and consts, my Yelan here is dealing extra 51k~66k damage per ult proc (17k~22k per arrow x3) and Xilonen by default should give better buffs than Kachina/Gorou for the whole team (Sadly she needs 2 PHEC units or C2 to proc the res shred for GEO), double hydro for Yelan and Furina means more personal damage from them, and do remember that c0 Chiori needs a geo construct for the extra tamoto (Which you'll not have in this team since Gorou's E and ult are not considered geo constructs) which translates in needing at least c1 in order to be on pair with the damage, even with that the damage should be lower than the team i showcased.
@@Klepya thanks for the info my friend noelle truly takes no L’s and keeps getting buffed also imagining how much dmg a noelle can do with c2 furina c2 xilonen c6 gorou and her having c6 with redhord doesn’t stop making me happy although I probably won’t be able to try that team due to how costly it is it still nonetheless makes me happy
@@Klepya also because she runs furina and rehorn with gorou and xilonen and assuming we run the hunter set we would get soo much crit and elemental dmg bonus u think its worth it to run a def% sands goblet and a circlet?
@@matarisan4583 You'll definitely want to use Def Sands and Goblet, that's for sure, regarding Circlet it may be a little harder to be sure if it is better or not to use a Def one just for the sake of Balance and increasing damage output...
Some over my head calcs suggest that taking into account that Gorou gives 40% Geo crit dmg, Redhorn 88 cdmg so you'll have 178 cdmg for free adding the base 50%, regarding elemental dmg, gorou will give you 15%, xilonen 50% from c2 + 40% from scroll and Furina 75/100/125 if she's c0/c1/c3 with crowned ult so 180/205/230 we should add the extra common damage here NA/Charged from C2 and Marechaussee (15% for NA and 30% for charged) 195-210/220-235/245-260 and 15% damage dealt from geo resonance 210-225/235-250/260-275, if you can get a similar crit dmg without crit circlet then def circlet is super viable, it will be really hard to reach 2600 otherwise, you'll use a lot of crit rolls to reach decent Crit rate and 260 cdmg. I may be forgetting something like abyss rng cards and one or other passive i don't remember atm, but roghly 55~64 Crit rate for good consistency, 2700 Def with those Elemental and common dmg buffs reaching 210~235 and 230~250 cdmg should be the good looking numbers you'll want for Noelle in that team. You can balance it with lot of Def subs or lots of Crit subs it will depend on your subrolls luck.
Forgot about ER, Noelle needs a lot of ER if you get 140+ and a fav on the team she should be okay, those are a lot of subs.
TLDR Sadly it's really hard to balance all those stats, the point is that if you calculate your % extra def and it's a lot higher than your cdmg you'll preffer cdmg, but if it is a lot lower you'll preffer a def one. (Extra def * 100 divided by base def (Noelle's is 799 at lvl 90)) compare that to your cdmg and try to balance both 😁
Can i replace yelan with gorou ?
no. you have to have two pech characters to make Xilonen a support unit.
Use Bennett or any PECH (Pyro Electro Hydro Cryo) character
With Xilonen C2+ you can replace Yelan with Gorou, otherwise her geo sample won't be active, which means no res reduction. C0/C1 Xilonen requires 2 PHEC (Pyro, Hydro, Electro or Cryo) characters to be able to charge her Nighstoul state (The bar besides the character when you press E), once completed she activates her samples and start to shred res of those elements marked on the samples, with C2 her geo samples are always active so you can technically just swap to use her to proc a reaction and activate scroll (40% elemental dmg for the elements involved in a reaction).
@@KlepyaWait this actually changes everything for me. I gave up on pulling on xilonen for my noelle cuz I thought I'd need to pull on yelan too. So I thought I should aim for c2 xianyun.. do you think c2 xilonen would be better?
@@kingk3366 Did some quick calcs on optimizer with the artifacts i have, it should be almost the same in terms of damage, at least for my builds doing 17~18 charged attack hits with C2 Xilonen 4p Scroll C6 Gorou and C1 furina it was around 1.33m single target dmg, on the other hand doing 8 plunges with C2 Xianyun 4p Noblesse, C6 Gorou and C1 Furina she did 1.35m single target damage barely noticeable difference, may vary a lil bit more with different artifacts sets and options but it should be the same, remember that those are only Noelle's Damage, in the team i showcased if we change my C0 Xilonen for a C2 one she'll deal 600k~680k single target dmg but Yelan compensates with an extra 850k~920k single target dmg per rotation which results in 1.5m. Everything here is single target damage, having more than 1 enemy will bennefit the teams without Xianyun a lot more due to her plunge buff mechanics being single target oriented.
4 star weapon Noelle c4 will work?
It could technically work, sadly due to the extra ult seconds you get from c6 you can do more than 1 rotation with just 1 ult, but if you can compensate that dmg with yelan it should be fine, you'll also convert less def to atk (50% to be precise) which also translates in less personal dmg. Not talking about the extra damage loss not using redhorn which is a lot less dmg, you'll basically be using Noelle there just to heal the whole team
@@Klepya hmm 😔 ...i thought Noelle gonna come on xilonen banner so atleast I can c6 her coz 5 star claymore is out of reach unless mauvika weapon synergies well but 😭