I haven't gone skydiving yet but will very soon. I will watch these 2 packing videos until I have them memorized. I like how you took your time and slowly explained everything. Thank you!
Adam X Yea, I did survive somehow. I landed in a garden full of Goji Berries, Broccoli, Kale and Kiwi. Luckily I was able to use the super food to give my body the nutrients to regain the ability to repack my parachute, will update on the next jump!
THE BEST, BEST, INSTRUCTIONAL PARACHUTE CLASS I FOUND, EXCEPT FOR THE PILOT CHUTE. IT WAS SO GOOD GUYS LIKE ME WOULD LOVE TO SEE A UP TO DATE PACKING IN 2016, THANKS ALOT, YOUR GOOD, REALLY GOOD
The D-bag and the container are designed to accept a specific range of canopy sizes; typically a standard size and a deviation of 20 sq ft up and down; so a container meant for a 150ish main, can typically accept a 170 down to a 135 depending on the material. The force of your body travelling at 90-130 mph and the drag the pilot chute creates when it hits that wind when you deploy pulls your lines right out of those rubber bands and pops your canopy right out of that bag like it was nothing.
What also makes sense to me is, however you stow the remaining stows, being symmetrical is important. Nick Grillet has a video on RUclips where he shows what can happen if you double-stow one of the non-grommet stows on one side of the bag, but single stow it on the opposite side of the bag; you get an out of sequence deployment. This can cause the bag to start spinning before the canopy comes out, which can cause a bag lock, and if the canopy does end up coming out, you've got line twists.
To me it sounds like one of the things that when you do it the first time you need someone on your side the whole time and need year and a half to put together the first time and after you've done it like a hundred times you could do it much faster and with lots of confidence. I know this applies to any other thing in the world too but still I am fascinated how confident the instructor seems to be. Nice video that instructor really seems to be well experienced!
Yes. The reserve parachute is inside of the top central part of the container, around which he is routing the risers for the main parachute. It is important to position the toggles against the reserve parachute's compartment.
I believe the instructor did not double wrap the stows on this bag because the grommets go all the way around the bag, and so there is enough tension on a single wrap. I know what you mean though. On a standard bag where there are only 4 grommets, I always double wrap the outside stows.
That was refreshing, I was only supposed to watch a min or two of the first part but got stuck in the whole thing! I jumped for 3 years and made around 200 jumps up to 2010 when I had to stop due to other economy priorities. Was nice to watch the vid and I got a few Oh right moments, but still did remember most of how it's done, thanks for refreshing my evening there Mr WormHoleFusion :-) Could I put one of my old student jumps as a vid response? (old school conventional education style jump)
Nice video, I seen someone at my DZ who color labeled their lines with little tabs. (A lines red, B lines blue, etc.) I'm going to do the same, looks like it makes it a lot easier to see what lines are where.
From what I have heard, the stows that actually count are the locking stows; the ones on the front of the bag that hold it shut. There is a myth that not double-stowing the remaining stows or not stowing them at all (laying the excess lines down in the tray of the container) will cause line dump. I'm not an expert by any means, but it makes sense to me that your bag leaving the container quickly will not cause line dump, but your canopy leaving the bag quickly is not good.
Your canopy can get stuck in the bag, but that would be because of a baglock malfunction. If you Google something along the lines of "parachute baglock malfunction", you can read up on the main causes. You will also learn about all of the common malfunctions when you start your student program.
Nice, man!! I' waiting on a Curv! VC3 - $2300, Storm 170 - $1800, Optimum 160 - $1500, Cypres2 - $1400, so yeah $7000. $7000 - $7500 seems to be pretty standard for a new rig these days.
Where are you do doing your AFF? It might be worth going there now and just asking if they have an extra student rig that is laying around waiting for repairs or something, that you can practice packing. The main in this video had an exploded pilot chute and was sitting up against the wall waiting to over to a rigger to replace it. I am at 80 jumps now and I JUST started packing my own main, and while somewhat supervised. I would be a richer man had I started packing at 26! Good luck!
VERY good point. Once you get licensed, it is time to buy a container, canopies, an AAD, a jumpsuit, a helmet, an altimeter, a dytter, a gear bag, etc. THEN, just like automobile maintenance, now you need to have schedule maintenance performed on your gear. NEXT, you need to start thinking about getting better/safer in your chosen discipline, which means LOTS of jumping, coaching and tunnel time. Skydiving is not a poor man's sport, but skydiving will make you a poor man :)
I'm not at the point yet where I feel like experimenting with the way I pack to make the openings more interesting, so I have not tried leaving the excess lines after the locking stows unstowed, so I have not tried it.
+Ray Perrin I'm not the instructor, but notice the lines on this parachute are the thicker Dacron lines, whereas my guess is that you were shown how to pack a parachute with the thinner Vectran lines. As long as the rubber bands have a relatively firm grasp around your stows, it is fine.
I am new and have not made my first jump but I'm trying to do some research. The canopy looks really tight in the black bag... You really stuffed that thing in there! My question is: Do they ever get stuck in that bag? It looks so tight, to a noobie I would worry the black bag would come out of the container, but the shoot not come out of the bag?
On average for a complete student system? I'm taking a guess here: I'd say probably $2000 for the container/harness, $1500 for the reserve, $1800 for the main, and $1500 for the AAD. You can save a couple hundred going with a Vigil over a Cypres, but I'd say $6500-$7000 is fairly accurate for modern student gear. If you were a DZ ordering a dozen student rigs for your AFF program, you might get a bulk deal, but I don't know that for sure. I just ordered my first rig - about $7500 delivered.
Interesting stuff even though I have no love or interest to skydive. I suppose this is lucky as (knowing me 😔😔😔😔) I would not trust myself to follow ALL of these instructions correctly.
Haha. Become a parachutist, and you will soon find folding/packing skills of all kinds will increase. You'll get better at packing your tent, folding towels and laundry, packing luggage, making your bed, etc.
The $10,000 or so you will spend on skydiving in your first few years will be well worth the way that nice squared-off tent container will sit in your closet :)
Great idea for a funny youtube video that covers the whole story: suck at packing tents -> AAF course -> Become a professional packer -> Run out of money -> Get back to your old damned tent -> pack it like a charm insulting it -> beg someone for money or you won't eat today
I haven't gone skydiving yet but will very soon. I will watch these 2 packing videos until I have them memorized. I like how you took your time and slowly explained everything. Thank you!
Thanks, I just made a parachute out of my backpack, my old tent and some twine. I'm going to pack it up now and can't wait to jump!
+Era Random Make sure and get video :)
+Era Random did you survive?
Adam X Yea, I did survive somehow. I landed in a garden full of Goji Berries, Broccoli, Kale and Kiwi. Luckily I was able to use the super food to give my body the nutrients to regain the ability to repack my parachute, will update on the next jump!
Era Random 😂😂😂😂
So I guess folding it correctly can mean the difference between life and death. Or a very hard landing. I'd prefer my umbrella though. Much easier.
THE BEST, BEST, INSTRUCTIONAL PARACHUTE CLASS I FOUND, EXCEPT FOR THE PILOT CHUTE. IT WAS SO GOOD GUYS LIKE ME WOULD LOVE TO SEE A UP TO DATE PACKING IN 2016, THANKS ALOT, YOUR GOOD, REALLY GOOD
The D-bag and the container are designed to accept a specific range of canopy sizes; typically a standard size and a deviation of 20 sq ft up and down; so a container meant for a 150ish main, can typically accept a 170 down to a 135 depending on the material. The force of your body travelling at 90-130 mph and the drag the pilot chute creates when it hits that wind when you deploy pulls your lines right out of those rubber bands and pops your canopy right out of that bag like it was nothing.
What also makes sense to me is, however you stow the remaining stows, being symmetrical is important. Nick Grillet has a video on RUclips where he shows what can happen if you double-stow one of the non-grommet stows on one side of the bag, but single stow it on the opposite side of the bag; you get an out of sequence deployment. This can cause the bag to start spinning before the canopy comes out, which can cause a bag lock, and if the canopy does end up coming out, you've got line twists.
To me it sounds like one of the things that when you do it the first time you need someone on your side the whole time and need year and a half to put together the first time and after you've done it like a hundred times you could do it much faster and with lots of confidence. I know this applies to any other thing in the world too but still I am fascinated how confident the instructor seems to be. Nice video that instructor really seems to be well experienced!
its all about practice and remembering every step :) i guess you just do it alot of times and boom, easiest thing in the world :D
starting AFP in june thanks for the pack vid, gave me a great full understanding before i take the pack class!!! awesome!!
Yes. The reserve parachute is inside of the top central part of the container, around which he is routing the risers for the main parachute. It is important to position the toggles against the reserve parachute's compartment.
cool to see how a lot of this translated from reserve paraglider packing + speedflying terminology. good tutorial
BEST packing video I've seen yet. I do however use the Brian Germain method for pilot chute :) Thank you.
I believe the instructor did not double wrap the stows on this bag because the grommets go all the way around the bag, and so there is enough tension on a single wrap. I know what you mean though. On a standard bag where there are only 4 grommets, I always double wrap the outside stows.
Absolutely! And the cred all goes to the instructor (who is not me) and shall remain nameless per his explicit request :)
That was refreshing, I was only supposed to watch a min or two of the first part but got stuck in the whole thing! I jumped for 3 years and made around 200 jumps up to 2010 when I had to stop due to other economy priorities. Was nice to watch the vid and I got a few Oh right moments, but still did remember most of how it's done, thanks for refreshing my evening there Mr WormHoleFusion :-) Could I put one of my old student jumps as a vid response? (old school conventional education style jump)
Nice video, I seen someone at my DZ who color labeled their lines with little tabs. (A lines red, B lines blue, etc.) I'm going to do the same, looks like it makes it a lot easier to see what lines are where.
Funny how the rubber bands never break in these videos...
..they aren't suppose to
From what I have heard, the stows that actually count are the locking stows; the ones on the front of the bag that hold it shut. There is a myth that not double-stowing the remaining stows or not stowing them at all (laying the excess lines down in the tray of the container) will cause line dump. I'm not an expert by any means, but it makes sense to me that your bag leaving the container quickly will not cause line dump, but your canopy leaving the bag quickly is not good.
Great videos (1&2). Still working on A-licensing, I am impressed with the detain on lines and grouping. Keep it up!
Awsome dude.... Great technique! Quality of part 1 is terrible as compared to part 2 ???
BEST packing video I've seen !!!
Your canopy can get stuck in the bag, but that would be because of a baglock malfunction. If you Google something along the lines of "parachute baglock malfunction", you can read up on the main causes. You will also learn about all of the common malfunctions when you start your student program.
I was wondering about that.
At out DZ we always double wrap our last two stows on each side that go thru grommets.
Nice, man!! I' waiting on a Curv! VC3 - $2300, Storm 170 - $1800, Optimum 160 - $1500, Cypres2 - $1400, so yeah $7000. $7000 - $7500 seems to be pretty standard for a new rig these days.
nice job on explaining each step
Where are you do doing your AFF? It might be worth going there now and just asking if they have an extra student rig that is laying around waiting for repairs or something, that you can practice packing. The main in this video had an exploded pilot chute and was sitting up against the wall waiting to over to a rigger to replace it. I am at 80 jumps now and I JUST started packing my own main, and while somewhat supervised. I would be a richer man had I started packing at 26! Good luck!
had no idea how complicated this was
sqreon right I always thought they bought new parachutes each time they used one.
lmao the canopy alone is like 2k each
VERY good point. Once you get licensed, it is time to buy a container, canopies, an AAD, a jumpsuit, a helmet, an altimeter, a dytter, a gear bag, etc. THEN, just like automobile maintenance, now you need to have schedule maintenance performed on your gear. NEXT, you need to start thinking about getting better/safer in your chosen discipline, which means LOTS of jumping, coaching and tunnel time. Skydiving is not a poor man's sport, but skydiving will make you a poor man :)
by saying reserve at 2:26 did you mean the extra parachute?
I'm not at the point yet where I feel like experimenting with the way I pack to make the openings more interesting, so I have not tried leaving the excess lines after the locking stows unstowed, so I have not tried it.
Good job.
Nice job, now I know
Awsum. How much does a packing guy get paid? if you're a packer do you get discounted jumping?
Eddy Bobea At our dz it's 6 bucks for single rigs and I think 12 for tandems.
Eddy Bobea If you're cleared for packing then you can use your pack jobs as credit for your jumps. That's how it works where we're at anyway.
one more question/at 6:20 what do you pull to open the chute the red or the orange cylinder?
Did I miss where you cocked the pilot chute? Or was that not a kill line p/c?
I meant to say...the last two stows that do not go thru grommets.
just curious: why do you not double wrap your stows?
This is great! Thank you!
Nice video. What size canopy is that?
Why do you only do one rap with the rubber bands when making your stows? I was taught two wraps.
+Ray Perrin I'm not the instructor, but notice the lines on this parachute are the thicker Dacron lines, whereas my guess is that you were shown how to pack a parachute with the thinner Vectran lines. As long as the rubber bands have a relatively firm grasp around your stows, it is fine.
I am new and have not made my first jump but I'm trying to do some research.
The canopy looks really tight in the black bag... You really stuffed that thing in there!
My question is: Do they ever get stuck in that bag? It looks so tight, to a noobie I would worry the black bag would come out of the container, but the shoot not come out of the bag?
how are you now? still jumping after 6 years?
how much on average does a parashute with a reserve like u wer packing cost
On average for a complete student system? I'm taking a guess here: I'd say probably $2000 for the container/harness, $1500 for the reserve, $1800 for the main, and $1500 for the AAD. You can save a couple hundred going with a Vigil over a Cypres, but I'd say $6500-$7000 is fairly accurate for modern student gear. If you were a DZ ordering a dozen student rigs for your AFF program, you might get a bulk deal, but I don't know that for sure. I just ordered my first rig - about $7500 delivered.
thank you
It's a vid on RUclips: The secret of pilot chute packing with Brian Germain
thanks alot please do more
Perfection 🌟
Where is this guy working ? I want to do my packing Course with him !
calinutza33 Skydive Arizona in Eloy, AZ.
I apologize for taking so long to make a video demonstrating cocking the pilot chute. Link is in the description.
hey
Yeah, I use Brian's method :)
great video thank you
Have you seen this wormhole?
Ton extracteur il faut le recoudre ...!?
Parlez-vous de la goulotte de pilote? La chute de pilote dans cette démonstration a malheureusement explosé.
Do not worry it comes out fine, like greased....every time :)
thanks alot! great video(s)
I was taught not to pull ropes like you do it!
Interesting stuff even though I have no love or interest to skydive. I suppose this is lucky as (knowing me 😔😔😔😔) I would not trust myself to follow ALL of these instructions correctly.
Oops, it won't let me add the link
Your prices are dead on.
Im looking at a Curv so the whole thing will set me back $7300.
The wait time is long for a new container...about 5 months.
Hey why you not monitization your channel
sudah 21 tahun aku tidak menggantung pada parasut
I just can't even pack my camping tent back in its container....
Haha. Become a parachutist, and you will soon find folding/packing skills of all kinds will increase. You'll get better at packing your tent, folding towels and laundry, packing luggage, making your bed, etc.
Well if becoming a skydiver and chutes packer will increase my skills on packing tents, then I'm truely considering ;)
The $10,000 or so you will spend on skydiving in your first few years will be well worth the way that nice squared-off tent container will sit in your closet :)
Great idea for a funny youtube video that covers the whole story: suck at packing tents -> AAF course -> Become a professional packer -> Run out of money -> Get back to your old damned tent -> pack it like a charm insulting it -> beg someone for money or you won't eat today
imagine using parachute made in china
be prepared to be poor for the rest of your skydiving career....