Warhammer's Prison System Is...Efficient? - Penal Legions EXPLAINED - PRISONER ARMIES!
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You forgot to mention that most Penial Legions are also pumped full of Combat Stims- to give them an additional "edge" in battle.
The plot of darktide
I love that Darktide is showing exactly that.
Though its like some Inquisitorial thing rather than just the Militarum pulling Penal Regiment shit
@@dj11o9er I mean when you look into It, is there really a difference? I mean you are meant to die regardless, atleast from my understanding.
@@dj11o9er The inquisition actually use penal battalion less than the military. They can't trust their sensitive matters into the hands of convicts. Most of the time if an inquisitor need some grunts they'll commandeer the nearest and best imperial guard units they can get. Even then, not all penal battalion are created equal, some are officers and units that failed their missions being temporary transferred to the penal battalion was the alternative to execution because because the imperium deemed their experience valuable enough to give them another chance. Common criminals however, are indeed just living minesweepers or mean of explosive delivery.
@@minhducnguyen9276 I meant the folks we work for in Darktide are Inquisition rather than the Guard
@@dj11o9er Well either those guys were officers or the job wasn't sensitive enough.
The original suicide squad
Well the original is from 1959...
Nah Suicide Squad is older. But i think GW got it from other sources
@@badfoody gw obviously got it from WW2
I mean the oldest one is the Soviet's, the penal battalions of the empire sound almost identical to how the Soviets used them: most often as human meatshields and usually used against fortified positions. Although I haven't heard of any penal battalions used as human minesweepers
@@schretlenaugustijn2391 I would say it's a bit more like the germans... since the Imperium often canonically groups together criminals with similar mental health issues.
For example the violent psychopaths are in one squad while the obsessive pyromaniacs are in another squad and some cleptomaniacs, black market brokers or drug offenders are in another. Like the Germans did in WWII when they gathered troops from mental asylums and prisons... the Soviets didn't treat the mental health problems as a thing that could be abused, they just needed men so they sent any men who could walk.
>Used as meat shields in the first waves of troops
>Sent against fortifications to test their enemies' strength
>Rushed into minefields to blow themselves up to allow more valuable troops to roll in
Perturabo: I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!
Why don't we do this irl
@@bobthebuilder544because it turns out that would be tactically and strategically, *inefficient*
@@bobthebuilder544 1. Sending a criminal to a minefield is a waste when you can send a cheap ass barely functional robot, far cheaper and effective
2. Mass infantry charges simply haven't existed since WW1
3. T A N K S
4. P L A N E S
5. Sending underequipped and undertrained units against a fort won't test its strength, it'll just make it waste a little ammo in dispatching those units with the littlest effort
@@staringgasmask ‘MIC haven’t existed since WW1’
WW2 Red Army: “Am I a joke to you?”
@@mercifulmoff I mean, they did send mass infantry charges and had penal legions. But MG42s do their job pretty damn well. It's not like those were the tactics that won the Eastern Front for the soviets
Not to be confused with Slaanesh’s Penile legions ☠️
Every time someone likes this my phone alert me to laugh at my own joke way harder than I should
There's another like since it made me laugh too lmao
@@chupacabra304 Nice. This pleases me. And my pp.
goofy aughhhhhhh ☠
I can't Upvote at 69 likes. Darn it Slaanesh!
You can play them in Darktide!
Kinda, yeah. Except in Darktide you work for the Inquisition as opposed to the Astra Militarum.
@@LordoftheDice Does it matter though?
@@commanderminh7402 I think the scale of the battles you take part in is vastly different from what the astra militarum has to deal with
@@phurian_6560 Yes but at the same time we don't have game is have the penal legion vibe so Darktide is the closet thing yet?
yeah if you could play Darktide
The Last Chancers!
Gotta love those guys.
13th rise up!
Ah a man of culture i see
That book blew my 12 year old mind lol
It's a trilogy about one such penal regiment as mentioned in the video. The so called "Last Chancers". The 3 books are called 13th Legion, Kill Team and Annihilation Squad. They're top tier.
From the teams I've been in while playing Darktide: *not all convicts are built smart, they are all good meat shields!*
Whenever I hear penal, my brain thinks of something else and I just do a god tier face palm from it.
I mean
There is a possibility that they either were rapists(or any other type of sexual deviant, oh boy, there are many of them) or became followers of Slaanesh so
Everything what is not a xenos, a chaos cultist or anything too dangerows to by left alive.
Thanks the gods you are still alive, i believet my explanation to that bullshit theory about origins of tyranids killed your brain or something when you taked like you was at death doors.
@@The-jy3yq equally if not more likely they are completely innocent and the local government just needed to meet its quota.
@@dirpyturtle69 you mean exactly like all the dumb shit people in the US go to prison for. Empty baggies with “suspicious residue” lmao
Imperium Soldier: *sees Suicide Squad comics* Boss! I have an idea for how to deal with prisoners.
Edit:
Sees ancient scriptures from the 2nd/3rd millennium titled “Suicide Squad comics” 😜
Lame DC/Marvel writters: *sees Imperial records*
Boss! I have an idea for yet another lame movie!
@@LonginusFX you mean just DC
Its not a comic but the equivalent of the Art of war for the imperium
Savlar chem-dogs are my favorite!
Hell yeah Chem Dogs rule
They aren't a penal legion though
@@sniperpro-pi9dz The planet Savlar is a prison world, by default any regiments raised there are Penal Legions but with a looser hand on the leash.
@@DarkCatfish Fr.
Are the chem dogs penal legions, technically they're official regiments
I'm sad because of fact that from the 8th edition they can't be put on the table, a very interesting unit.
Why not?
@@kabhes9040 they removed the rules for them from the 8th (and 9th) edition Guard Codex.
@@Wodferd I mean is there a reason they did it?
@@kabhes9040 to much people complained as it was basicly slavery
@@chaoslordnicky9723 Yeah it is but that is how warhammer is, it's fucked up.
so this is what Darktide is mostly focus on..sending us meat shield into the unknown either we finish the mission or die off for other Rejects to take our place
But you do get to join the inquisition if you prove yourself which is cool
Imperial Guard Suicide Squads.
Russian military commander: write that down
This comment hits different after a year of Russia doing this EXACT THING in Ukraine.
"So what are you in for?"
"I abandoned my post on cadia"
"How unfortunate. You, what are you in for?"
"I killed my commissar"
"Right you're assigned to that commissar"
"I don't want him warden"
"Unlucky..you've really picked a nightmare there..lastly you?"
".....I knocked over the milk"
"(Stops writing)..really? How on the golden throne is tha-"
"It was chocolate milk"
(Pencil snaps)
(Everyone starts running. Even the commissar)
(Items starts breaking with the prisoner being swinged around by the collar)
"YOU UNGRATEFUL HERETIC!!!"
No one disrespects choccy milk!
Literally shaking n crying rn. What monster could do this? This has reignited my trauma.
With the few things I’ve heard about this fandom, I’m surprised to learn that they even have a prison system. Would’ve figured it would usually be execution.
Thank you for making an easily digestible learning experience topped with visual aids and great music!
Keeping the prisoners feed and maintained is an expense that they could use as soldier on suicide missions, that or execute them...
The meme Fandom loves blowing things out of proportion.
Most of the fandom doesn't know what they're "fans" of and only peddle memes which enforces their shitty world view
Today in "Is This The Imperial Guard or Russian Military?":
One is badass, the other is not.
@@lordwarlockthangwrath8662 ş
@@LucasImpulseimperial guard, badass
Russian. Dumb
@@NeoEvanA.R.T ş
yes
The Penal Legions? Slanesh is kicking himself for not coming up with that first.
Terrans pre-Valerian in StarCraft with the Marine Corps, Neural Resoc, and mass produced power armour: Mood kindred
Depends what you want from a Prison system. The Imperium wants bodies and yes for that the Prison system is effective.
I wonder if a Penal Legionnaire can maybe reach the status of Commisar, that would be impossible but goddamn cool
I think commissar are endoctrinated when they are childrens, a penal legionnair that manage well enough can be elavated to regular guardsmen or see himself straight pardonned for his crime, it's rare but it can happen
@A Megalodon With Internet Connection it depend I think, I like to imagine some of the vraksians defenders that ended up penal legionnaires lived through the legion like it's a cake walk then got pardonned and settled somewhere.
In an Empire of ten thousand years, millions of worlds, and trillions upon trillions of soldiers that CAN definitely happen.
Would make for an awesome story!
They can reach the status of inquisitor. But they can't become a commissar. They'd have to be a child first.
Commisars are specially trained since childhood in Schola Progenium. They aren’t normally recruited from other sources and I have yet to hear of an admitted canon exception.
I appreciated the last chancer's cover art in this one, that was a good book series
What a beautiful vid to drop lol especially with darktide being huge rn
Can you cover the enemies and weapons and the mobian 6th? I guess that’s who we krumpin(?)
That’s right
Suicide squad but instead is suicide army
"The Dirty Quarter BIllion"
I genuinely love this concept and would totally love a proper model for these guys.
Now it's not some distant fantasy anymore
Reminds me of the last changers book.
I've been recently getting into warhammer and I keep learning new and awesome facts. I made a wise decision sinking time into this.
What I like about this is that if you survive, you actually get respect in the Imperium. They'll start actually outfitting you with nice stuff.
“What are we? Some kinda penal squad?”
The imperium’s D-Class! Wait… the entire of the guard are treated like D-Class.
"There are some hardened maniacs..." 😂
Sounds like my kind of people 👍
When I think of quality penal legions, I think of the Savlar Chem-Dogs.
Forever Remember Schaefer's Last Chancers. May we see them on the tabletop again someday.
“I knew you’d come back to me Cage.”
How Soviet.
And how russians now... seems like they newer change.
@@HolyWarEnjoyer source: Reddit
@@tigranhekimyan5769 erm no, source is Ukraine news (some from battlefield), and sometimes russian video, example is from pmc Wagner (video where Prigozhin hires prisoners).
Good evening we are from Ukraine (I'm from Kharkiv). And i almost first hand know how that bastard's are fighting or better to say destroying what they can't take.
@@HolyWarEnjoyer Hasnt Ukraine just done another general mobilization despite outnumbering Russia 3:1? Why mobilize anymore than you already did, unless the others died?
@@terron7840 outnumbering what? 300000+ chmobs? Are you sure it's even possible? Oh and russians don't stop mobilization even now, and thay don't even started THAT year official mobilization.
We don't outnumbering them, we destroy 3 times more of them, then they of ours(maybe not, it's highly questionable). WE got outnumbered in human, artillery shell, tanks and other vehicles, almost in every way possible.
But guess who winning?
bro warhammer just keeps getting better and better for me
That guy smoking a cigar with a lazrifle has the perfect embodiment of "Fuck it, i was dead anyway, lets go"
He probably got busted for felony jaywalking in idaho. He knows he’ll never get his freedom back lmao
So fun fact the soviets did this same sorta thing back in ww2 with what were called Penal Battalions
Shout-out to Savlar Chem-dogs. My favourite!
And some even get their own version of a dreadnought, known fittingly as a penitence engine, it's basically a dreadnought but the front is completely open, leaving the pilot and all their squishy insides in a perfect bullseye for the enemies
A great example of this the forces from the Factory World Armageddon. All ex-gang members who know a thing or two about heavy machinery and tools, meaning that thier guns and gear are a lot more functional.
"underequiped"
Me in darktide with a bolter, power sword, grenades, and a full set of flak armor.
The best of the Penal legions - 13th Penal Legion (The last chancers) commanded Colonel Schaeffer
I always like the concept of using prisoners as soldiers for your army, it might be a war crime but eh, is better than wasting taxes on housing and feeding them
Wagner is recruiting thousands of Russian prisoners for fighting in Ukraina
Now you get to waste taxes AND military gear!
Honestly I think this might actually be a pretty good idea as long as u treat em humanly and teach em how to survive most of em might become better ppl and wouldn't mine fighting in your army. We can even instill a strict award and punishment system were inmates who follow orders will get better cells, food, and etc
And those who disobey will be punished based on how bad they were
i think the problem comes with humanity
is prison a punishement or supposed to reform criminals back into good citizens
sure those we are talking about got life in prison
but even then
its still looks so animal to me
Same way i used the cheapest IG back in the day. Just have em hold off a key enemy unit in place while i mop up the rest.
This might be the one thing the Imperium does that I wholly approve of.
I was reading Ciaphas Cain: For the Greater Good the other day, and when the Admech lady explains to the Tau that they were (SPOILERS) breeding genestealers by using felons normally slated for servitor conversion or penal legion, the Tau envoy was just like “servitors? Penal legion?”
So basically, Amanda Waller's method and Task force X/Suicide Squad
I forget exactly where I heard it but I think it's at least halfway implied for the people who are put into these that refusal to enlist if they are given a choice is going to results in every single guard doing their level best to make that person's life as terrible as possible for as long as possible, and making it to where it would be very easy to curry favors with the guards that can be exchanged for things like looking the other way or smuggled in goods if another prisoner decides they want to be the tar out of this guy.
Edit: I believe the justification given for a situation like this is that the imperium is highly, HIGHLY religious and what refusing to enlist after the recruiter picks them out is effectively doing is refusing to serve their God Emperor in his never ending task to protect humanity and allow them a path to salvation (yes this is how the more religious elements in the imperium view military service, and that the setting started out as a parody)
Edit 2: and then of course there's places like Savlor where instead of threatening executions the commissars threatened to send the offending guardsmen back home for the rest of his life.
Has enough explosives for every criminals collar. Doesn't have enough explosives to carpet bomb suspected minefield. Priorities
You might be aware of the SS Detachment "Sondereinheit Dirlewanger". It's essentially the same concept.
Sounds like an idea to adopt
Elite task forces like Jeremy and the Fearsome Fox's
Astra Miliwhatnow? This is The Guard, son!
Basically D-Class from the SCP Mythos.
''So what you're saying is we're some kind of suicide squad?''
“What’re they, some kinda… suicide squad?”
It would suck if a dude named Abbadon invaded a penal world and took millions of prisoners as traitor guardsmen
Ah yes; Nothing is more fearsome than a hardened and substantially above average sized Penal Legion. They go in Raw, unshielded and only good for a few thrusts until they are spent.
and since this is the emperium of man not all these people are actually criminals , some just ran into a particular pissed off arbities and got beaten to shit then thrown in prison and that's the least worst way to be wrongfully arrested in the emperium
Well, not really used in the same fashion, but Wagner PMC does really have a nice take at how to recruit from prisons, and use the inmates.
All in all, a more effective way to simultaneously reduce prison system expenses, make inmates pay back to the community, and mostly, reintegrate them into society by giving them discipline and a purpose.
It also takes a bit of the stigma off of former inmates when they talk about their past with the rest of society, as putting your life on the line and obeying strict orders are rather atoning feats, IMO
Am I the only one who is reminded on Russian army?
No you're not
A true “I am a Warrior” moment
something wrong you said, they dont just sent them foward without a plan, i cant recall the battle but the commander was demoted and put into the legion "for wasting lives even if is a penitant one"
"No one will care about you, no one will remember you, no one will hear your name, your purpose is to be fodder and nothing more."
-random quote I made.
I feel like this should be used. Instead of sitting in a cell sucking up resources they could be used in a lot more productive manner. They get some life skills and can serve with maybe a potential of getting reduced sentences depending on their performance on the field.
Vetern sharpshooter zally looks at the video " heeyyy wait a bloody second ....".
I still have my conel shaffers last chancers models.
How others said (sort of) same like in Darktide, the best part is that Darktide will make warhammer 40k more popular inspiering other games creators to make 40k games and in at least 2-4 years whe gona have a true movie or seriers.
I came up with a home brew regiment that sends its criminals and outcasts as a tithe to the Imperium. They’re urban warfare and mountain warfare specialists
So basically they are standart imperium units, the only difference is that instead of commisars they have bomb collars
Last chancers is the best book about the penal legions
Darktide baby! Thank you for extra lore. Fantastic game btw
Wasting enough of your penal legion soldiers lives can be considered stealing from The Emperor (life is He on Terra’s currency, so stealing from him is HERESY)
most penal commanders using them for mine clearing detail usually get sent into said penal legion themselves for wasting potentially useful meat shields. But it’s also 40k and full of grimderp stories as well lmao
I heard Penal Legions and went WELP
The imperium Is So advanced its meatshields have meatshields
I miss Schaeffer's last chancers from 4th Ed
I think there's a game about that kind of Penal Squad...
-cough- Darktide -cough- console release when? Plz 🙏
Imagine being meat shield for the meat shields
The Penal Battalions were used in the Soviet Union just like this. Which is the inspiration. Though in reality most of the " criminals" simply had varying opinions from the Soviets. Minus the explosive collars of course.
It’s like some kind of Suicide Army
Not only prisoners and convicts regular members of the Imperial guard can be sent to penal legions for failing in their duties if they aren't killed by a commissar that is
The warhammer universe rule is take any normal modern day thing and dial it up to eleven and multiply it by a million, in this case I guess it’s the suicide squad?
This is literally the British Navy circa the 18th and 19th century.
Wagner moment
Sounds like something we should do
But also: in the Warhammer 40k universe everybody who looks a bit different then the norm is considered a criminal. What they consider "scum of society" is something very different then what we would call like that.
I heard penile legions and I just lost it 😂
I wish if America uses a prison system so that the prisoner could go to war and protect America from any threats. It can be handy too.
Man a suicide squad 40k on the big screen i would pay fat dollars for that story 🤘🔥
call me crazy but i think thats the door kickers theme song..
Starship troopers meets suicide squad
Penal legions just sound like it's a legion of dudes all dressed like Xerxes from 300.
The Soviets and Nazis did this in RL.
Those very rare few that acquitted them selves heroically and survived might be pardoned.
Watch one of em become a space marine
Blizzard if games workshop ever takes over the world
I wonder what would happen if we tried this irl