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SpaceX Reveals Latest Starship Flight 5 Launch Estimate! + Inside The Starship Miracle Engine!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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SpaceX Superheavy Booster 12 static fire this week? Will Hurricane Beryl endanger Starbase? SpaceX is preparing for Starship flight 5 and flight 6! Elon gives a new launch window for Flight 5. Is Stoke Space catching up to SpaceX? And is Europe launching an outdated Ariane 6 rocket?
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What would you name Stoke Space's new engine if you could? Write your suggestion in the comments below!
Stoked One.
What is the music playing in the background? (or am I imagining it?) it feels similar to a computer game I play called Avorion.
HEY FELIX..... I'm gonna be in Destin Florida the week of August 5th. I'm from Oklahoma and its a dream of mine to see either a falcon launch OR starship! Will I be able to see starship or a falcon launch from there????? PLEASE PLEASE tell me one way or another!
With all those pipes and tubes? Call it a double shot, soy milk espresso with extra whip. Too many points of failure (as we've learned from SpaceX) to be viable long term. Maybe call it "you gotta start somewhere."
Dude, I know your ignorant "fans" just want to clap like seals for spaceX but serious you need to be more honest. Elon makes a claim you report it was written in stone. You have no critical reporting of the most outlandish claims and you're making ignorant syccophants. You say full flow is the holy grail, come on. They have been around for 70 years, nothing new. Nasa and usgao have serious concerns that elon hasn't addressed. Come on.
Arianespace really made their bed a decade ago when they underplayed SpaceX and opted not to develop reusable rockets. They're truly living the nightmare scenario they thought would never happen.
Everyone opted out on spacex...
Bet those think tanks feel a little embarrassed.
It’s worse than that. Arianespace itself refuses to do anything on its own; refuses to take any initiative; refuses to be entrepreneurial- in spite of receiving the equivalent behind it of billions in European taxpayer subsidies; they insist on being spoon-fed. It’s mis-management on ESA’s part that they continue to blindly support organizations year after year that then don’t leverage that support to build up new space business. - Dave Huntsman
If you are only launching ~8-11 times per year reuse isn't super attractive, especially for core stages on missions to GEO and beyond. I mean look at Falcon Heavy, they almost never recover the core, because it's just not worth it. So the only option would be to recover the P120C SRBs, but SRB reuse just isn't financially interesting, as the Space Shuttle proved. In the future Ariane Space may introduce reusable liquid fueled boosters (something they are doing research towards with Themis, etc., and have alluded to a couple times, for example in the clip Felix stole at 17:50), but SRBs are allready quite cheap, especially when using the same SRBs for Ariane 6 and VegaC. And again they were working on the assumption of very low launch cadence, which is only inacurate due to Amazon's project Kuiper.
@@plainText384 I’m giving you a Thumbs Down because you’ve totally missed the main issue- as does the head of ESA Space Transportation, who spouts the same, well, er, nonsense. Let’s get specific: You can’t keep acting the same ol’ way and expect any positive change; you have to change the world. Remember, SpaceX started out with only a couple of launches- much, much less than Ariane, So, what happened? How did they get to the point where they could economically start launching their own, new industry- Starlink- up to 70 launches a year, self-funded, just for that! There WOULD HAVE BEEN no Starlink possible without FIRST the full-commitment to Falcon 9 first stage/fairing reusability- & doing whatever it took to get there, including all the failures et al. AND a commitment to RAPID reuse and commitment BEFOREHAND to high flight rates - which also meant a commitment UP FRONT to multiple launch pads- all BEFORE he committed to Starlink. (Check the dates). He committed to the basics of a growing sustainable space transportation infrastructure company and operation First- key words: COMMITMENT TO THE VISION FIRST- not waiting for the ‘demand’ to show up first. THEN came Starlink; created for two reasons: 1. He needed a long-term funding vehicle for Mars etc al; 2. He/Gwynne looked at OneWeb et al & saw their business models were broken (they were right); meaning they were ripe for disruption before they even got off the ground.
Quilty Analytics estimates those actions (long-term commitments) are what have brought down SpaceX’s internal marginal Falcon 9 costs to approximately $15m- and Decreasing above 100 flights/year. This will have a huge impact on the markets from late 2026 onward when F9 loses 70% of its payloads- the Starlink Mini’s, as they are replaced by full-sized Starlinks launched by Starship- yet doesn’t retire the F9. Gwynne is not about to let other launches charge $70m or so for medium launches when she- as with the recent Eumetset deal that Was Ariane 6’s- will simply start underbidding- well, everybody- and still make a profit. The Commitment to serious, rapid reusability, lots of launch capability- ALL that has to come FIRST- not waiting around to be spoon-fed, like Arianespace insists on being. Arianespace, after receiving billions in taxpayer payments for decades, refuses to self-invest in Europe’s space future. They should never get another Euro. The money needs to go to those European entrepreneurs who actually have the vision to bring the future forward. - Dave Huntsman
Ariane's execs if I remember correctly expressed concerns a couple years ago that they are in big trouble regarding Falcon9 and Heavy. I was screaming inside like: "what were you thinking!". Truth be told ULA (Lockheed and Boeing) and Northrop and the likes do and did the same. They don't see instant competition and the money is fix, and the future demand they see is steady then they didn't see any need for innovation or push. Other than that, quite frankly, the very low cadence and the existing Ariane 5 infrastructure kinda locked them in. They would have needed a larger grant or invite private investors. I don't see if they saw the demand for that..probably not. So with existing infrastructure, project management, facilities, people and only a slightly bigger scope it was kinda obvious to go that way. In this sense ESA was mistaken too: they too could have promoted another direction. (opinion, could be wrong or imprecise)
I worked on construction for the Comance Peak Nuclear Reactors in Texas in the 1980s. There are two containment buildings, each taller than the US Capitol dome (288 feet (88 meters). There were two cranes at the construction site, each capable of raising and lowering loads to the top of the domes. One afternoon, a storm front appeared with wind gusts up to 50 mph. There was an order to lower the cranes to ground level, but the operators of one of the cranes rushed to get 'one more load' before lowering the cranes. The winds caught the cranes and sent it crashing to the ground. Unfortunately several buildings housing engineers and construction personnel were under the landing area. Several buildings were crushed under the mass of the crane. Several people were crushed and died as a result. ALWAYS lower extremely tall cranes when violent storms approach. A few years ago a relatively small crane on a building under construction collapsed in Dallas killing several people in an adjacent apartment complex. The nature of the ground in the area is a nonfactor. High winds and cranes do NOT interact well. Relatively simple physics.
I'm just so excited! First, I really want to thank you Felix and the entire WAI team; I have been watching your videos since last summer, and you have always kept me updated and curious. It is to the point where I understood exactly what a closed-cycle-engine was before the words left your mouth! I owe you a lot which is why I recently became a channel member, and yet I still I can't give you as much as I owe you, so I must thank you for your generousity on giving the same subscriber content to everyone! I hope to support you more in the future, and I hope to see the same quality content for years to come! And thanks for covering stoke space!
Thank you so much for this kind comment! You can't imagine how much this means to the entire team and me! WAI is as much a wild ride to me as it is to you! Thank you for watching and for the support!!!
I'd call the Stokes space engine Navier. As in the Navier Stokes equation which describes fluid flow.
Wow!
You know its a good day when WAI uploads
Yes
Yes
You know it's a good day when oddheader uploads
He uploads quite frequently.
Why?
Love the “shot out of the flamey end “ 😂
thanks for the speach on Ariane regarding the competition :)
8:32 - "NaC1" (N-a-C-one)? Salt would be sodium chloride - NaCl (N-a-C-el).
Regarding Ariane's "dual-payload" capability, there's a catch when you compare it to Falcon Heavy... and that's that A9 payload to GTO is only about twice that of Falcon 9 (~11 tonnes vs ~5 tonnes).
So if you're launching two satellites at once, at least one of them - and possibly both - are light enough to fly on Falcon 9 for *much* less cost, even if it takes two launches. And that's been a problem for Arianespace since F9 started flying... they may have the ability to launch two satellites on one rocket, but they didn't actually have many secondary payloads to launch, because SpaceX was gobbling up that part of the market.
I think Stoke is onto something with their new design, because it also solves the heat shield issue. I mean no tiles, that is a good thing. Every tile on starship is a probability for failure. Since stokes design makes the cooling part of the engine and heat shielding, that’s very smart. Let’s see if their design works out. Imagine a starship with this design 🤔
Word of the day. " Hurrikin".
@@patmiller7045 lmbo...I was thinking the same thing
And Spase..
City name of the day: Polackeyohs.
@@roughcutfarm if you mean Ariane Space, that's how it would be pronounced in many European languages.
AS pronounced around Washington County, Utah
Thx Felix and also your team.
I find it amusing that if you zoom all the way in on MyRadar over star base, the only thing that is visible is a marking for “starhopper”
Priorities right?
4:23 You guys rickroll us and think we won't noitce lol 😂
🎵We're no strangers🎵
i thought i was nuts hehe
Not the doot skeleton! 😂
12:22 I don't really think you can say that the "full flow staged combustion engine" and "closed cycle engine" are the same. Of course a full flow staged combustion engine is an closed cycle engine like every square is a rectangle but they are not the same. A lot of closed cycle engines have been in use for many years, like RS-25 in Space Shuttle, but there wasn't any full flow staged cumbusiton in use yet (SpaceX is still testing).
The main difference between full flow staged combusion and "oridinary" closed cycle engine is, in full flow staged combustion engine the oxidizer and fuel enter the main combustion chamber in gaseous form while in an "ordinary" closed cycle engine one of them (oxidizer or fuel) is still in liquid form.
But I would like to say, your descirption of how rocket engine work is pretty good, and suggest to everyone intrested how rocket engines work to check @EverydayAstronaut RUclips channel.
Ariane6 is so out of date it's not funny. ESA already knows this but only madness runs the show but customers are already pulling out, same fate as ULA that's saved by congressional jobs programs.
Whoa! You guys really brought it up a notch, awesome show!
Love the bloopers at the end of each episode!
Rocket name.... behemoth sounds great it's massive powerful and awesome to watch it fire
Nice to see more news Felix. You give me something to look forwards to. Thank you
I think Europe needs a reusable system. But they need room for trial and error. They need to test limits and not be afraid to fail and try again.
The west side of the huricane is the side away from the surf build up. SpaceX was never really in danger once it was determine to pass north to Boca Chia.
Thanks Felix and your crew for a as usual. Great show. Good info. Nice flow.
The stoke space stuff is going to end up being so freaking cool. And inevitably make starship better as well.
I'd name that engine the "Phoenix". It's just a wicked cool name I think.
Pa-las-cios, TX 😁
As in “Palace”. “Palas”. NOT “palak e o”
Love this channel but you have to stop banging on about unsubscribed viewers! Just think of us who are subbed having to listen to this during each video! Literally, NO other channel does this ... aside from this keep up the good work
Literally a lot of other channels are talking about non-subscribers, some more or less as much as Felix. But yeah, I agree that it is annoying :P
@@Robinlarsson83 my bad, of the channels that I watch and that's quite a big chunk, they don't mention this.
@@benj180subscribers mean way more viewers because it automatically goes on their feed compared to what youtube suggests; which means more money, so i dont blame him.
Other channels are certainly talking about it.
12:32 Full flow doesn't necessarily use methalox. The Soviet Union tried to make one using hypergolic propellants
Also, full flow is a type of closed cycle that has all the propellant go through the preburners. You can have other types that have some liquid propellant go straight to the combustion chamber.
Edit: 12:36 The fuel doesn't have to flow through the walls of the combustion chamber. It's just a very common way to cool the combustion chamber.
the ariane 6 seems like a interesting rocket for companies that want to launch payloads in different orbits on on one launch and glad to see it launched always good to see new rockets.
INITIAL CONCERNS ON "STOKE -FULL FLOW" ENGINES 1.) Single Point of Failure Engine 2.) Unknown Attitude Control 3.) Ultra Complexity = Lower Reliability 4.) Engine Bells seem "Exposed" to Re-Entry Thermals.
Felix... do you think Space-X will ever launch a Ultra heavy Starship configured like a Falcon Heavy, i.e. Using two super heavy boosters as side boosters to increase the max tonnage to LEO or GEO? I think it would allow Starship to make orbit with most of it's fuel still onboard so a refueling of a second Starship would be more efficient.
I would guess not, can you imagine the launch pad and mounts needed for that? Remember the final versions will be about 100 feet taller than the ones we are seeing today (120m vs 150m)
It would make more sence longterm to increase starships diameter. tricore inherently complicates logistics in a way that sabotages rapid reuse.
Dude, that would be _crazy!_ 🤞
Stoked One.
Thank you, a great synopsis as alway.
Excellent presentation!
A plug and play launch tower! never thought i hear those words😂
Felix, don't you think, that Elon Musk was absolutely right about the fact, that launch tower will be taller? Everybody looking now for two "missing" segments of the tower. But we all remember, that Elon also said about complete redesign of the launch pad.
So, I suggest one thing. If the new launch pad will include the flame trench/flame diverter, it might be, that launch pad itself will be lower than existing one. So, that means you not need to stretch the tower, because your new launch pad is literally two segments lower, than it was before. And this new launch complex will be able to accommodate new and taller version of the Starship, aka Starship V2.
I think, it might be quite reasonable idea.
Why put an ablative shield under the tiles? Wont that mean that they will have to strip all the tiles off after each flight? Or is it just a safety feature and not meant to be used up every flight?
it is a safety feature. the reusable tiles should hold up for multiple flights, but if they fail then the ablative layer can take more heat and keep the ship safe.
At 3:12, the new crane shot displays a giant letter "X."
How appropriate, IMO.
One could argue "X 1" standing next to the FIRST tower?
Iconic enough for a potential future "meme" shwing it building the pyramid?
It could lift such heavy blocks easily, IMO.
I think technoloy has caught up to the legends, maybe?
Never mind Falcon Heavy, Falcon 9 in fully expendable mode can launch 22.8 tons to LEO for $67 million which is way cheaper than Arian 6's projected launch cost.
Can't wait!
Why Falcon heavy (and 9) can't deploy 2 satellites on different GEO orbits?!
The falcon upper stage Merlin engine is not quite efficient enough to put any significant payload in geo orbit. Vinci is a highly efficient engine with a crazy specific impulse.
@@sander915 This is a big omission on the part of spacex
the bill and ted cut away was most excellent
I love your vids Felix .Thx to the whole team. You have kept me updated for two years
14:47 full flow spaghetti monster or "fulflosm"
Landing the Starship Booster on the Oil rig platform using the Mechazilla's Chopstick would be a much safer option in case something does go wrong.
It’s an awesome time to be a space nerd🎉
been waiting all day for this lol, its like a part of my schedule every 3 days check if WAI has uploaded! i went back to the start of your channel and its cool to see how your videos evolved. Dont stop doing your thing man👍
How do SpaceX's SPMTs work?... (Also, in the case of Booster and Ship transportation, was automation the better choice compared to manual operation, especially since there is still so much changing around the entire complex?)
As I understand geosynchronous orbits, the orbital plane needs to be the same as the equatorial plane. If not, the satellite will stay over the same longitude but will alternate in latitude. This means a geosynchronous orbit is only feasible at an inclination of 0°.
So, what’s the purpose of the Ariane 6? Maybe it can place two satellites in different right ascensions of the ascending node? But if there is no ascending node, is that even the correct way to say that? What do you think?
Name for the engine would name it, Lightning Rocket😊 Be cool to say Starship lifted up with all of the 33 lightnings rockets ignited.
The niche side of things is not a significant problem: they don't need to get a big chunk of the launch market.. if anything because the production capacity is limited. 10 rockets a year (at cruise speed) was a decent production capacity when the A6 program started. How times change...
When the boosters are re used will they need to undergo static fires after each use before each turnaround ?
Felix Astley sing it
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down 😁
Just a guess, but 'the hill' might have been used as weight to compress the ground. Piling ground is a technique used to press water out of the ground and packing the ground. I only know that because of watching Practical Engineering.
Surprised by the engine graphics. Impressive.
By the way, do we have any information how the raptor production is doing? They must have ramped up the production quite significantly to support all these boosters and ships.
As always, great content well delivered. Thanks Felix
Stoke should name the engine either "Rex" "Spot" or "STK-1"
Something I couldn't help not noticing:
On the SpaceX renders for the block 2 Starship, the ship seems to lack a QD panel, and the booster seems to have two. While I understand these are just renders and not actual hardware it makes me wonder if SpaceX is planning to switch back to their original method of fueling the ship: through propellant lines integrated on the booster. This would greatly simplify GSE and make on-orbit refueling easier. The lack of transport of the ship QD currently at the cape to Starbase is also something that I think is a sign of this being the case, but this is of course still just speculation.
Great episode as per usual WAI team!
IFT-5 FTW!
@@gnanke what was the launch window again? I missed it.
@@worldtrav72 same here lol
@gnanke there wasn't one. This channel thinks if elon tweets it it must be true, lol. Think we all should know why you can't trust him. But his tweet said 4 weeks.
Good video Felix. Wish I could have seen it when it came out, but I had lost all connectivity thanks to Beryl. Even the 5G network wasn't working. Finally got power back yesterday. Nice to be getting caught up. What is the expected payload capacity of Stoke's Nova rocket? I thought it was going to be medium lift, but you were comparing it to Starship. Do you think ESA/Arianespace will ever develop a reusable rocket? I know there are several European startups now (what an exciting thing to say). Do any of them have ambitions for reusability?
When the day comes, and it will, that you go through a hurricane, I hope you live stream the experience.
6:16 CATHY JARBOE!
Wft is NaC1.
I get the confusion but it’s NaCl. NaCl also known as natriumchloride or better known as regular kitchen salt, which is also in our rain. You’re welcome!
@@jesperhaafkes3635 sodium chloride, and i get it's a joke
WTF is 'wft'?
@@evanli421 I don't think it's a joke. It looks more like a font confusion.
Maybe its sodium hypocarbonite who knows?
Loved the Lightning McQueen clip! More of that, please
Have you seen anything speaking to the issue of refurbing boosters. How many motors are replaced between a landing and relaunch of the same vehicle. So far I haven't seen anything about that.
Oh wow. If this Stoke company succeeds, I think they're on to something.
It’s a good day when Felix drops a video. Keep up the great work!
You rock dude! Love this page 🙌🏾🤟🏾
So basically the new launch tower is the billy shelf of space flight now? I mean, just without missing parts.
The hill was for putting pressure on the ground to push out the moisture. They did the same for the other starbase structures.
They DID do that, but I think this is a different case. This is the launchpad from the Ship landing trials of a few years back. The hill was built up and used that way for years. Now they’re ripping that all out.
That Demag CC 8800-1 is one BIG BADDA BOOM.
@18:34 Where did you get the $106M launch for an Ariane 64? Their target at the start of the project in 2015 was €115M. Even if they managed to hit that target following a decade of inflation, they had to go back to ESA and ask for an additional €40M per flight just to break even.
The problem with ESA's is it's a rocket built by a committee with all the European nations arguing over it as they all have different needs and etc.. Most see it as a French rocket built with everyone else's money as France wants the tech in its control. The problem with building a rocket by committee it involves lots of meeting of various government officials and ministers to get changes done or agreed
Which is why, for example, the Germans have been happy to launch government payloads with SpaceX. Yes, I'm sure they'd be happy if Europe had its own cost-competitive launch options... but those options simply don't exist right now.
Indeed, Europe has had no native launch capability whatsoever for the past few years, cost-competitive or not... A5 retired, A6 late, technical problems with Vega-C, Soyuz politically unviable...
The statement that "the only other company in the world to fly a FFSC engine" probably should be clarified. Closed cycle/staged combustion engines have been around for a while, e.g. Russian RD180, Space Shuttle RS25, Chinese YF-100. These however are either Oxygen-rich staged combustion or fuel-rich staged combustion, generally using a single pre-burner. The Full-flow staged combustion engine uses two pre-burners, one oxygen rich, the other fuel rich.
Re: the stainless steel used by SpaceX was supposed to be thinner and stronger, per E. Musk (before the big boosters were built). So, did he get his custom S.S.?
When Cryo-testing is done, does the cold fuel harden the metal?
Hi Felix. I would call the engine “Nucleus”. I don’t know why 😊. I enjoy your stuff , never stop.
Is the new tower going to be tall enough given the projected rocket growth?
Why is SpaceX not doing a flip/de-orbit burn to decrease speed faster?
@@SuperMouseDV They do a de-orbit burn if needed. IFT4 had the de-orbit included in the “orbit” it flew. It was going to re-enter anyway. A flip and de-orbit will be done to leave LEO, most likely.
The decision not to slow down too much too soon actually reduces the total heating that a spacecraft has to endure. It essentially skips across the upper atmosphere until it slows down enough to descend into the lower atmosphere. Once it does that it cools down very quickly.
@@FlynProfessor well one would assume(me) that the slower the ship is going before re-entry the less heat on the tiles. But breaking from 17k mph would take maybe a full booster of fuel at that speed. But wouldn’t any little extra count towards a less hot re-entry even if it’s shaving off even 1000 mph?
Do we know whether the flap redesign will help mitigate the heat issue with re-entry.
The tile work was done yesterday.
Ummm Nova isn't going to outlift Ariane any time soon. Nova might launch 5T with its current configuration (or less). It's a great idea but Nova is never going to be a heavy lifter how it looks right now.
SpaceX has complete control over the thickness of the barrels they stack starship and booster out of. Do they put thicker rings at the bottom that support more weight? And when everything gets heavier will they have to?
I thought those hills were there to passively compact the soil?
The hill was placed where it is to compact the soil. something heavy will be put there.
Hi Felix, great news as always but please correct the chemical formula of salt from NaC1 to NaCl 🙂
What about with 6 Falcon9 fixed around the booster ? Starship in orbit with 50% ergols used ?
Do you know why the South East corner of Massey is not being used?
Hi Felix, do you know why we have not seen any images of starship 4 after the landing? The two sections must have floated for a while. And were they recovered?
Best regards from the Netherlands. George
You know the weather and so do I! 🕺
"Do not forget this one thing.
One day is as 1,000 years and 1,000 years is as 1 day." Jesus
It takes 1,000 orbits to cross the center of the Sun's Oort cloud magnetosphere from 24 degrees west declination increasing to 24 degrees east declination decreasing.
Purgatory is the definition of insanity by ignoring the word warnings of God our Father as delivered by Jesus his son with his new Commandment new covenant.
What constantly pisses ME off is that although I am fully subscribed and have "rung the bell," your videos NEVER show up in my notifications. They also don't show up in my 'subscriptions' area. I only see them off to the sidebar, hours to days later, when watching another video.
I thought Sub Orbital Pad A was the raised pad and Sub Oribital Pad B was the one farthest from the road.
So basically the new launch tower is the billy shelf of space flight now?
I’d call the new stoke engine Emily NFFSCE. I don’t know why but Emily could be a nice name for a new engine.
Is it possible that the taller tower needed won’t actually be taller from the ground but the OLM will be lower with a flame trench under it? This would explain the lack of additional tower segments while still taking into account Elon’s comments about it being tall enough to handle the taller prototype.
Does the price for the aienan6 factor in the money the eu subsidize?
What was the estimated launch date, much have missed that part!?
17:35 _"Which might or might not involve eco-friendly wood veneer and galvanized square steel beams"_ *Ha ha!*
19:49, is that a guillotine falling?
Hi Felix,
ARIANESPACE being the combination of the words ARIANE and ESPACE, the correct pronunciation sounds like:
Ariane s pass, "s" being pronounced like the letter in English...
Good luck and I hope to hear you saying it correctly soon.
Keep on showing your passion for Space and SpaceX