What It’s Like to Wear Historical Fashion as a Male ft. Vintagebursche
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Today, I sat down with Niklas of @Vintagebursche to discuss his experience of what it is like to wear historical menswear. It was an absolute pleasure to have this conversation and it helped me deeper understand what it must be like for men to express themselves through the means of historical clothing.
Last week on the Community tab, I asked you all to submit your questions, and here they are, answered!
Some of the questions we cover include;
How long have you been wearing historical clothing/vintage clothing?
What periods of historical fashion do you gravitate towards?
How did you get started with wearing historical clothes?
Do you wear them daily?
Which qualities make a garment feel historical?
Do people react differently to men & women wearing historical dress?
What are three essential things to learn for tailoring?
How do you find sources for historical menswear?
We hope that this video will help to answer some of your burning questions and provide a deeper insight into the life of a male historical fashion and vintage fashion wearer.
A massive thank you to Niklas/Vintagebursche for agreeing to this interview in the first place. You are a truly fascinating human being and an incredibly talented tailor. I am especially grateful for your contributions to the historical fashion community!
Thank you so much for watching.
Yours, etc.
V. Birchwood
Where to Buy the Vintagebursche Book (English):
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Where to Buy the Book (German):
vintagebursche.de/produkt/vin...
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Time Stamps:
0:00 Introduction & Who Is Vintagebursche?
1:13 How Long Ago Did You Start Dressing Vintage/Historical? Do You Wear Vintage/Historical Clothing Every Day?
3:01 What Periods of Historical Fashion Do You Mainly Wear?
4:04 Which Elements Make a Garment Feel Historical?
5:25 What Is Your Perspective on the Masculine Side of Historical Costuming?
7:57 What Are the Reactions You Receive?
9:44 What Drew You to Wearing Vintage & Historical Clothing?
11:51 If Someone Can Only Afford One Historical/Vintage Item, Which Should It Be?
12:40 What Item Do You Wear That Has Many Myths About It?
13:50 What Aspect Was the Biggest Adjustment?
15:25 Are Breeches More Comfortable Than Blue Jeans?
16:31 Any Historical Garments You're Enjoying Watching a Retrending Of?
17:42 What Are Your Recommendations for Menswear Sewing Resources?
18:45 Do People React Differently to Men & Women Wearing Historical Dress?
20:26 Tailoring Is Daunting: What Are the Three Things You Need to Learn?
21:19 Are There Any Convenient Features You Wish Modern Menswear Had?
21:53 Individual Pieces or Matching Sets?
22:32 Are Codpieces as Annoying as They Look?
22:54 Favourite & Least Favourite Fabrics? Favourite Colours?
23:26 Final Thoughts & End Screen
Sources for Images:
A big thanks to Vintagebursche for a significant portion of the b-roll and supplemental footage.
Breeches:
www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...
Ca. 1840 Waistcoat:
www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...
1870-79 Suit:
www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...
1891-92 Women’s Tailored Walking Suit:
www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...
1870 High-Waisted Dress:
www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...
1832-35 Gigot Sleeves Dress:
www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...
Codpiece Example 1:
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Codpiece Example 2:
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1903 Man in Suit:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
Contemporary Suit Image:
unsplash.com/photos/HRazOEIHLdk
1898 Men:
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Tailors’ Tacks:
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kellyhogaboom, CC BY-SA 2.0 creativecommons.org/licenses/..., via Wikimedia Commons
#Vintagebursche #historicalmenswear #historicalfashion
Thank you for watching everyone! What sort of interviews do you want to see in the future?
Maybe someone who does a blend of men's and women's styles? Someone who does like a Marlene Dietrich sort of look.
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@VBirchwood Oh and maybe ask about their favourite accessoires!
Niklas mentioned the lack of male cutter/dressmakers. Would that be an idea for an interview?
I’ve already got something along this line planned 😉😁
As a teen who's a guy and really into historical fashion, this is really encouraging! Hopefully one day I'll look as cool as him, lol.
This is awesome to hear! I’m sure your style is plenty cool already, it just takes time to build. You’re on the right track 😊
As an introvert, it unfortunately is a big conversation starter when I really don't want to talk to anyone in public lol
@@waynethegreat23 just be like "yeah" and walk away lol
@@waynethegreat23 Raise your right hand and shout "Heil" works every time.
Thanks for having me! It was a great pleasure to meet you.
Thank you so much as well! It was a real pleasure.
How excellent to find you out there!
@Vintagebursche ich (w20) würde Freudensprünge machen wenn sich mehr Menschen, auch die Herren, so adrett kleiden würden wie Sie. Es hat, so finde ich, etwas würdevolles.
Freundliche Grüße aus NRW
So cool! Thanks for having a vintage man on. There isnt much content for us out there. Hopefully more men will find this awesome way of life.
My pleasure! I definitely hope so as well, and that all people in society, in general, feel that they can wear whatever they want. Thanks for watching!
I think my response to a heckler would be "I'm a time traveler, what year is it?"
Hahaha brilliant response 😊
😂😂😂
I desperately need to see more men in historical/vintage clothing. It's so beautiful
*I LEARNED TO TAILOR MY OWN* historical clothing and now I wear it every day - SO much more comfortable...
The day I put on the first pair of bespoke trousers I had made I literally said "SH!T..! Now I have to remake everything in my wardrobe"
Hahaha that’s awesome! Historical fashion really can be so practical and comfortable.
It is kind of a shame that not a lot of men are into sewing and it's sad that it's mostly seen as a female thing. It's hard for me to find proper patterns for male fashion and it's honestly just a very useful skill in general. I really hope we get sewing more into the male space so it will become more universal.
I very much agree! It’s such a useful skill for everyone. Vintagebursche has a sewing patterns book on his website by the way 😊
A great video! I made my husband Edwardian high-waisted trousers and a waistcoat and now I am considering to make something similar for myself as well. Edwardian menswear is so flattering and it is much easier to fit when the trousers aren’t skin tight as modern women’s trousera often are at the hip.
Thank you! That's so lovely, and a brilliant idea to make something similar for yourself as well 😊
As a trans man the idea of fashion actually made to fit your body instead of 'the general body', from an era where padding etc. were used to create an illusion of sorts, is extremely appealing; but I'm not very good at sewing, unfortunately, because of messed up hand nerves. I'm going to have to figure it out!
I’d highly recommend looking into a sewing bird and some other assistive tools that might be able to offer support! Also sewing machines could hopefully make sewing quite a bit more accessible too 😊
@VBirchwood a sewing bird! I've never seen that before, but it's gorgeous! I actually have a sort of tabletop clamp I got for other crafting... it has TWO clamps and might work spectacularly for this! Thanks for the suggestion!
@@hadrianryan4179 Sounds like an awesome idea! You're very welcome 😊
absolutely could not agree more
It's just so important for people to understand that what's comfortable for them doesn't translate to what's comfortable for other people. Some people love jeans and consider them the most comfortable pair of pants. But there are a lot of people (myself included) for whom jeans are the least comfy clothes (they're stiff and hard and rough, can't handle wearing them at all). It's going to be the same with things like corsets and high collars. People on both sides need to be understanding of other perspectives.
Oh 100%! I always say this too. It’s why whenever I discuss my personal experience of wearing historical fashion, I preface the conversations with acknowledging that this is what’s comfortable for me but may not be for everyone, because everyone has different experiences and preferences, and that’s a wonderful thing.
@@VBirchwood I know a lot of people who love wearing corsets, just like so many people like wearing jeans. Do you feel like they were immediately comfortable when you first put them on, or did it take time for you to get used to them?
It took some time (a couple weeks) for them to soften (as corsets are a lot like leather shoes in that way) but after that I’d say they were quite comfortable right away! It helps though to have one that’s custom fit, especially with the right back length measurement, as that makes a massive difference.
imo its probably bc they themselves are too scared to dress up. a lot of people feel more pressure by society than someone like me to dress in modern clothing. well, its their loss. most modern clothes are low quality
Yes.... as one with ADD and Highly Sensitive, I cannot tolerate many fabrics. Thinking of tailoring softer fabrics in a classic style ❤
Awesome! As a teenager I was involved in Civil War reenactments and the garb from the era was a must. For the past two decades I've accumulated a wardrobe of Victorian menswear. I don't wear it daily, but at least once a week. (Usually with western boots/spurs and a Stetson hat) This came in handy during the pandemic as I simply added a black silk bandanna as a mask - quite liberating for trips to the bank! Part of the joy is the reactions people have, especially children. It felt good to bring a distraction to folks during such troubling times. Thanks for posting!
@@electricfishfan7159 It's NOT a joke. The Govt. tells you to wear a mask - wear a mask! (Your own way) Confidence I suppose is all. And I have little lack of confidence or ego...
There was however, one bank visit where I was carrying a bag (of coins to return) that the staff seemed a bit nervous. All the same, I live in the U.S. Where I live you can also legally carry a pistol into a bank without fuss. The liberals will no doubt change that if they have their way...
I often asked people I encountered: "Is the mask an accessory or is the wardrobe?
One fashion tip: if you should decide to wear a pistol (And you live in a free country) please know that a wide variety of period firearms are available in different calibers and sadly but one or two finishes. For winter wear I prefer a Colt .45 as it is well hidden in the layers. For summer fashion a snub - nosed .38 or nickel - plated .32 will do nicely. Of course for holidays it's best to be festive with something of a chrome or nickel finish.
I almost forgot occasions where a tuxedo is to be worn: It would be both impolite and unflattering (with a well - tailored garment) to carry a firearm at such functions as weddings, the opera, state dinners and the like. There are however some exceptions and alternatives: should the host fail to provide armed security for the event it is only prudent to carry provided that the firearm can fit into your boot and that the cut of your pants leg will accommodate it. If uncertain, a stiletto or slim dagger taped to your leg or concealed elsewhere may suffice. It is well to protect the meek and prevail with glory or die honorably in the effort.
Funny how Niklas mentioned it but I bought a 1970's (the decade that fashion forgot - or is just too ashamed to remember) safari jacket two years ago to go with some cream trousers and light brown oxfords but haven't had the chance to really wear it yet due to lockdowns and generally avoiding places with other people about.
Women's fashion is more varied and is in more constant change than men's. This can be a positive or a negative. A man can wear a 1960's tie and not be noticed or 1910's shoes. Its only when he wears the full look he draws attention. Women can be more adventurous, even in the business setting, without drawing comment.
I’m a daily vintage dressing teen who presents female, but I prefer menswear. I really appreciate all the great tips on wearing early 20th century menswear! It inspired me to make a detachable collar.
*KNICKERBOCKERS* or "Plus Fours" are just GREAT - I have about 5 pairs I have made myself and I LOVE them - especially for walking the dog in long wet grass they are brilliant...
And they do stand out more than other 1900 - 1920's clothing items.
I've been wearing 'vintage/historical' clothes for 30 years. Both my father and grandfather were tailors so I saw a lot of good clothes, some made decades earlier just getting refurbished, and I wanted to wear the same. It used to be a lot easier to find very good garments for little money at oe time, but now they are rarer and cost more. Most of the stuff I wear I make myself.
It’s the vest. Game changer. I am a 70 year old man who has sewn for 5o years. Vests.
This was great! It was so interesting to hear from the other side. I find it quite sad that there aren’t more men in this community and I can imagine that would be difficult mentally but also information wise. I hope that starts to change soon! Anyway thanks for doing this video!
Thank you! I totally agree, it is very sad that more men aren't interested in historical/vintage fashion, and I very much do hope for a shift as well 😊
I love vintage and historical fashion but feel left out sometimes as a non-binary person wearing primarily men's clothes these days. Thanks for sharing more perspectives.
I’m so sorry you often feel left out 😔 I hope you feel included as much as possible on my channel. I’ve been trying to collaborate however much I can with many different people, and have more diverse collaborations upcoming, for this exact purpose. So that more people can feel seen and heard not only historically but presently as well 😊
@@VBirchwood This is the video I found your channel through, when I was searching for anything about more masculine historical and vintage! So it was very refreshing to see this video! I also love that you did a collaboration with an Indigenous artist. Thank you so much, I've subscribed and binged so many of your videos now, and have them on a playlist while I do some mending today. 🥰
you could try combining a blouse with high waisted trousers or something. make your own style, don't let gender norms get the better of you
Your channel helps me so much! As a man who has been doing so much research to find historical pieces and advice its refreshing to see a community that enjoys wearing historical clothing as daily wear! I don't really have the time to pick up sewing but my tailor and shops love the business. 😂
Very nice. I do 1910-1930s outfits as well. When asked why I'm dressed so nice ,I say I'm dressed like a man not a sports fan.
I also did it for the slim fit.
Thank you so much for the feature! Liked and followed! I think Nicole Rudolph kind of crosses the barriers into men's fashion but I'm glad to add another! 💚
Thanks for watching! I agree, Nicole does a great job at featuring menswear now and then. In general though, I hope there starts to be more individuals that identify as male here on the internet who also happen to wear historical fashion 😊
YEEES! A german vintage gentleman! I guess in South Germany it could be a little bit easier dressing like that because usually the people are a little bit more conservative, maybe more oldfashioned that f.e. Berlin in the North (where I was born) because basically Berlin is known for young, crazy, outgoing people who dress excentric. Pretty interesting interview! And i def have to check out his videos. Maybe i can turn my boyfriend into an 1910 austrian main character. :D
I knew that you would like this collab, Pati! 😊 Thanks for your comment 💕 if your boyfriend doesn’t mind, then you should go for it 😂
@@VBirchwood
Hahaha that's lovely from you and you're absolutly right!
You’re going to join the knickerbocker club!!
Historical clothing is pretty common in Bavaria, you'll see people wearing historical dress to work even and there is a larger market for actual historical clothing. Still mad I didn't buy a loden green 19 century counts tuxedo with bone buttons. If it's available this year, I'm buying one.
The Thumbnail gave me Howling's Moving Howling Castle vibe, the Hat, the white old vintage fancy font, the green and the pale yellow
yes
So glad I discovered this video because I can identify with him so much. I'm also a German person doing computer science who is interested in (historical) fashion and sewing
How cool!
I have been wearing historical clothing - or at least clothing with a historical flavor - for the last ten years. I am most attracted to the early twentieth century, up through 1912. My skirts tend to be at least ankle length, and I make all my clothes by hand. I have not received any insults over what I wear. Men hold doors open for me, and women tend to complement whatever I have on. These styles are definitely coming back, judging from the interest I am getting from the dresses I wear. Young girls often ask where they can get dresses like the ones I wear.
Such a dapper, elegant gentleman!
Agreed!
Thanks for the detailed discussion, description, chapters and timestamps. It makes a possibly daunting topic much easier to digest.
My pleasure! It's important to make complex topics like these more simplified.
Interesting interview! I didn't expect to see him wearing such a lovely 19th century style outfit. Now I'm very eager to see it when it's complete.
One thing about 19th century men's fashion that makes it harder to grasp for me is the difference between the fashion plate and the actual garment and how it was worn. The proportions seem to be a bit all over the place: huge ballooning chest and tiny feet, which makes it hard to make a good judgement of patterns in the few original pattern books that have survived.
Thanks for watching! I would say that womenswear has a similar dilemma. From what I understand, fashion plates were never proportionally accurate. They were depictions of the “ideal silhouette” of the time, used a lot more for marketing purposes in essence, and people didn’t actually look like that. Hence the extreme proportions 😊
@@VBirchwood Now that I think about it, the shape of the clothes was probably not something that had to be accurate, as they saw the shapes all around them on a daily basis anyway. Maybe it was more about the fabrics, colours, details and other elements that they had to know in order to keep up with the latest fashion.
On a side note, a lot of the male fashion plates seem to have a bit of a gay vibe to them. Now I don't know if that is on purpose or if there is some other meaning to the sentimental gazes and the affectionately linked arms.
Yeah I do agree that it was probably more about the colours and fabrics and such (and perhaps general aesthetic). Now that element is really hard to know the deeper meaning of. Masculinity and femininity was just so different back then, and so was the culture.
@@VBirchwood Maybe there's even no special meaning behind it.
Male model mannequins in our clothing shops now also look weird, sometimes uncanny, sometimes quite erotic if that's the right way to describe it. If you gave them rpupils, it wouldn't be that far from the male faces in fashion plates.
If I look at fashion plates from closer to the 1900s, the stares become colder, but the eyes still give a strong impression. You could maybe call them similar to our current mannequins. I 'm not aware of fashion models being a thing back then (not that they would use photographs to spread pictures of them either), so it's pretty much the only thing they had.
Yeah exactly! It was all that they had, and so much was probably up to the artist’s interpretation too. That would probably have been an interesting career; a fashion plate artist.
Fun and interesting interview! I learned lots about vintage/historical menswear. (also shout out to the Skjoldehamn find, that’s close to where I’m from)! Btw I love the knitted jumper you’re wearing!!! 🥰
Thank you, Lilja! That’s awesome that you’re from somewhere close to Skjoldehamn 😊 thanks! the jumper is a replica of an 1890s cycling sweater
@@VBirchwood oo lovely! Did you make it yourself? (I am awful at knitting but might try to convince my mum one day to make me one 😂😂)
I did not! I’m awful at knitting too 😂 lol. A costumer actually made it for me earlier this year!
Oh my heart! You’re both so wonderful. I’m a 61 year old Bi-woman and I could happily(and have sometimes) worn things from both your metaphorical closets 😊 I’m inspired to do more now that we can be out and about again
As someone who is following the ladies chanels mentioned, so cool to see how this community starts to develop the "legends" amongs
Yay Vintagebursche - I love his channel :-) Good crossover. Another menswear channel I like is Dolthalion.
Thanks Cora! I will definitely have to check out Dolthalion 😊
Dolthalion is great, I love their channel. I'll be looking at Vintage unscheduled from now on too!
thank you so much for this! i've been really wanting to hear more about historic menswear and german historic costuming, so i'll have to check vintagebursche out!
Thanks for watching Cas! I’m glad it’s been useful 😊
Thank you so much for this! It was very interesting and I found new channels to follow.
Thanks for watching Button! I’m glad you enjoyed 😊
My mother and I found a suede jacket/coat in our basement that my great grandfather likely bought in the 1950s. My mother remember using it when she was a student in the 90s, but it had gone largely unused since then, and was almost donated to one of my old school band's flea markets. Thankfully, the box with it and some other clothes that were meant to be donated with it got buried underneath some other boxes deep in our basement, and everyone kind of forgot about it until we did a bit of tidying about two years ago.
The jacket needed a new button in the middle, and while the originals were a matching sort of suede, we decided the best match we could get was something wooden. After getting it fixed at the taylor, I've been wearing it a lot during the spring and early autumn. It's a tiny smidge too wide for me (I am a skinny lad), but it looks and feels great when I wear it open. When closed, it can keep me pretty warm up until the ca 10*C mark.
I do love the look of the more casual menswear up until the 50s -ish, and I often feel like I'd rather rock that than a suit (I don't really feel at home in suits), but I rarely know where to look for that kind of stuff. The brown leather/suede stuff is appealing in particular because I feel like it makes me look more dressed up, but without going into full concert mode like the suit does.
As a final tidbit, I do crave me a good and sturdy traveler's cloak with a hood. It's a really cool and functional garment that would make me feel slightly less like just another herring during the winter :P
Great interview! I already knew Niklas and found you channel just now. I really liked it and subscribed.
Thank you for the subscribe, Senhor! 😊
This was a very educational interview...thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching 😊
great interview questions and answers
. from my personal experience i know you spent a lot of time editing this interview. Thank you very much to you both for this conversation
Thank you so much! This was a while ago but I definitely recall this edit being one of the longer ones I’ve done (probably like 40 hours 😅)
Very interesting! Doing genealogical research, I've found so many ancestors who made their livings in the garment industry--tailors, dressmakers, shirtmakers, shoemakers, etc. It (making clothing) seems almost like a lost art 😥so I'm so glad to see people like you really involved in it nowadays.
Love your interview with your mens friend it’s interesting. I do like those looks yours and his.😊New viewer
I think hair and facial hair make a big difference too! While I’ve known some men who wore old fashioned clothes (hand me downs from a grandparent and one of those suit jackets with the tails come to mind) a curled moustache is something I’ve never seen a modern person wear before today. Thank you for this video! It was really interesting 😊
Corduroy! Bring back corduroy!
Yes!! Or really any fustian haha.
What a great video I really enjoyed it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for watching! 😊
A very nice interview. I can attest to acquiring quality shoes. I have Church's shoes and they have been with me a long time. I love the high waisted trousers. I wear mine pleated and with a belt, kind of like Clark Gable and the movie stars used to wear. Top Hat and tails seems to me to be at the height of masculinity and oppulance. Thanks again for this video discussion.
Thank you for the post.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for posting the videos. Looking forward to watching your masterful work. 🙏
Thank you so much!! 😊
I love the suits !!
im currently wearing curdoroy pants i got from Zumiez (i know, its fast fashion, but i dont have the space or skills to sew right now) and theyre very comfortable. i like that they dont stretch bc i know they wont rip from it
personally, even as a woman, i like crossdressing ocassionally. usually i just do it for cosplay but id love to wear knickerbockers
I think a well dressed man its very attractive, they will get looks from me but it won't be bad! :)
Vintagebursche! What a crossover event!
Hahaha yes! It was a fun one too 😄
Great video!
Thanks for watching!
I've always loved Victorian/Edwardian fashion and Vintage looks, but my sewing journey started because I wanted a green Christmas dress and all I could find was not green. This started me down the historical and vintage path because I liked the looks so much more than modern styles. I have nothing against our more causal outlook on wardrobe except for a few occasions where the clothes are designed to look worn and dirty. But there are times, mostly when I'm running around in long skirts and my bumble bee bike bloomers, where I do wish our fashion was not so causal. I also think why people find it so odd for people to wear historical/vintage fashion is because there is still this lingering idea that the future is better than the past. Our modern clothes are so much more comfortable than anything from the past, nevermind that I find my long sleeve, long skirts cotton dress much more comfortable in high heat than shorts and a tank. I hope with the help of social media that this idea will change and just be seen as people finding clothes that express themselves and that they feel most comfortable in.
I’d say in general men have a harder time getting away with anything aside from the norm. Simply wearing a fedora for example is a field of landmines worth of mistakes. Either you wear it right and everything works in your outfit, or people think of you as a creep. Comparatively, unless you’re wearing an elaborate evening get up, women can really wear anything and people tend not to care. Hell, even historical men’s clothes to a degree are more acceptable on women than men in the public consciousness.
Liebe Grüße aus Aachen! Greatly appreciate the collab!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching 😊
Very interesting!
Amazing! Beautiful!
Thank you very much!
I'm a male larper and I have bought several patterns from Reconstructing History and plan on purchasing more.
That’s awesome! 🥰
I had no idea that Vintagebursche has medieval clothing! Would love to see that outfit.
It’s pretty fascinating what these types of interviews sometimes reveal about a person 😊
this was a great video
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed it 😊
V. Birchwood, you said there's no such thing as historical accuracy `or that it isn't even real because we can't know what people wore. That's not true. Counting the photographs, illustrations and paintings, all numbering perhaps in the millions, we actually do know what people wore. Millions of photos dating back to the later 1800s, tons of fashion illustrations, engravings and paintings going back much further. How about hieroglyphs? So yes, we CAN and DO know what people wore going back thousands of years, including what fabrics were used.
Aside from that, a very good interview. I've been following Vintagebursche for quite some time know and very much enjoy his videos.
Hi Rafael! I hear what you’re saying, and thanks for the compliments. I said this a bit tongue in cheek because I often speak in my other videos about how our perception of history is often very skewed due to survivorship bias. For photographs, only the wealthiest individuals could have paid to get their photos taken. And they would have most likely worn their nicest garments. For paintings, the artist could have had full creative liberty and also again only the wealthiest could have afforded a painting and would have likely worn their nicest garments. For extants, only the garments worn the least would have survived the test of time, and therefore it either likely would have been the most expensive garments or the ones that were worn and set aside. This is part of why also a lot of extants are so small, because larger garments would have been worn to shreds. I didn’t mean that we don’t have any semblance of an idea of what people wore, rather that our understanding is extremely limited and biased and doesn’t have a very clear depiction of what the majority of everyday people wore, because the majority of people were not upper class individuals. It’s very rare to find depictions of working class people, whether that’s paintings, photos, or extant garments. Some does exist, but far more upper class individuals are depicted, and so that’s the issue.
I also wear vintage too and most people doesn't care except the very young person but when I visit south east Asia countries (e.g. Thailand). Things are different, I got mocked by a group of people in their 50s. They looked at me and laughed and shouted at me in an unknown language. I didn't know what are they talking about but it was directed at me.
That's great that you also wear vintage every day. I'm sorry to hear you had a negative experience!
He is the Charlie Watts of IT! Thanks for the insight. :-)
Thanks for watching 😊
I love this so much. I wish that my husband was willing to dress more like this. I've never asked him, but he seems to prefer comfort over fashion. He might think that vintage clothing would not be as comfortable as modern stretchy clothing.
I would love to have corduroy back! The thin wale isn't sturdy enough and I don't want polyester.
I tell hecklers to go get a life. I do some historical garments but I'm a nerdy Goth. So I suppose that folks aren't surprised to see me wearing vintage or historical dress. Most male Goths I know do Victorian clothes.
I identify as someone who enjoyed this video
I'm glad you liked it!
So interesting! :)
Thank you, Rava! ❤️
Slow is an understatement.
Three essential pieces of historical menswear:
1. pocket watch
2. cane
3. cod piece
I'd honestly like to see some Qing patterns come out, headwear included, not chinese just like the fasion.
You should do a Q&A or and about you, v. Birdwood
I definitely will at some point, but when I have more subscribers!
I like historical fashion, but would like to know more about (well off) German men's fashion from about 1500. Not that much out there.
Wow, I am a male, I live here in Australia, I have almost never seen people dressed in classic and historical clothing. Do such communities exist?
Are their historical dress communities here in Australia?? If so how can I contact them??
They do exist definitely! I’m not sure about Australia but there’s Pitti Uomo held twice a year in Italy. Vintagebursche also has his own channel where he talks about all this stuff too.
About 2 years ago I bought a pair of WW1 US Military Breeches and it didn't have back pockets.
Just wondering. Where do you get your hats from?,
The hat I'm wearing in this video I made myself using an old cheap straw hat I found on eBay as the base. Most of my hats I either find on eBay or being sold on a historical sewing Facebook group. If I make them myself then I'll buy the base from Nehelenia Patterns, though shipping now to the UK is incredibly expensive, so it is oftentimes cheaper just to make a base from scratch.
As far as I know, waxed cloth was used in ancient Rome too, so it's older than how you claim.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagum
I think there’s a real fear of coming across as “effeminate” for guys who are interested in fashion (I’m not one so not quite sure how RUclips suggested your channel other than history. That said I enjoy your content)
I once tried telling a person who asked why I was dressed the way I was that I had spent a long time making a garment and they replied ‘Oh, that explains why you look like shit.’ So I wouldn’t recommend it.
I’m so sorry that happened to you! I don’t think though that person’s response should be the baseline response, rather that person likely has some stuff they’re going through and decided to unfortunately take it out on you. I hope though you keep wearing what you make and what you want to and don’t let that individual’s words stop you from doing so 💕
Now I wear and make kilts
I have waistcoat envy. Is it corset or corsit from a pronunciation point of view? Have had you saying it almost all day and it sounds weird, might need to ask Cathy Hay.
It has a bunch of different pronunciations honestly. It comes from a French word anyways, so technically we are pronouncing it incorrectly if it’s in English 😂 I also pronounce things a bit differently sometimes due to speaking a few different languages, but I like my own pronunciations so I keep them.
@@VBirchwood I am Dyslexic so mis-pronunciation is a big thing. English is full of French words in fact English has never met a language it will not steal words from. The big thing I was thinking was the Americans spell things the way they are said were we English do not like to make things that simple. It makes coding so much fun.
English is certainly a language of influences haha. My masters is actually in creative writing, so it’s something I’ve thought about a lot.
I grew up in American schooling but have used British spellings since I was a child and some more British pronunciations because I’m Russian, and I think the fact I live in Europe and have for the past 6 years, only adds to oddities with my accent, especially since Russian is technically my first language. To be fair, the way I pronounce corset I think actually comes from the way it’s pronounced in Russian as it’s extremely similar, so I think that’s likely where I got it from. I’ve always found with British pronunciations it sounds a lot more like French than American ones, and a lot of the original spellings have remained in Britain as well. But as you know, there are hundreds of accent in the U.K. so then it also varies so much from region to region.
@@VBirchwood I am just really curious at this point to know if it me or do we actual pronounce it different. Russian and English both share a lot of French words at a guess for the same reasons it what our rulers spoke. Does the Icelandic give you fun as well or do the loan words not pop up very often if at all?
English and American are the same language with different dictionaries. They sort the spellings that made sense from how the word was pronounced hence my personal favourite color.
The accent thing is fun, I am a Brummie and have relatives who are Black Country and they speak another language :)
@@VBirchwood You mentioned about historic smells and I commented however there was a link so you might not have seen it due to junk settings. D.R. Harris & Co., Chemists and Perfumers on St. James’s Street & Truefitt & Hill, which is also on St. James’s Street in London both have old scents. Also check out the Osmothèque in France.
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Male historical clothing wearer - Tiger Pétri?
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What is the purpose of BOTH blocking the sound for certain words AND "spelling" them out with asterisks replacing letters? "Sexualizing" [ 20:03 ] and "fetishizing" [ 20:12 ] are not vulgar words, even if the experiences to which they refer are offensive and can be traumatizing. Burying these words this way does nothing to put an end to the practices in question. It obscures the impact of the words as if you are trying to make them more palatable, rather like the old fashioned way of saying a man "had his way with" a woman, rather than actually saying he raped her.
“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.” Confucius
It’s because RUclips tends to demonetise these words. I don’t believe words like these should be censored but a lot of content creators have no choice if they want their content to be distributed 🙃
Trust me, I’m all for speaking openly about that which is taboo, traumatic, etc. (if all parties in the conversation are okay with it). As someone that struggles with their mental health, I’m a big mental health advocate for instance. But when you put content on another platform, you have to play by the platform’s rules.
@@VBirchwood I can appreciate that. Perhaps you could JUST bleep them out then, rather than also using the asterisk laden subtitles? This double self-bowdlerization comes across as slightly surreal, and sullies what was otherwise an illuminating and entertaining conversation.
@@livinginthenow the AI unfortunately picks up even on on-screen text sometimes. I wish it wasn’t like this truly. This was also the first year of my channel where I played it extra, extra careful because I just don’t want my 30+ hours of work to go to waste because of algorithms and an unjust system.
So now you cant say fetish on RUclips anymore? What the hell?!
Lots of things can't be said, sadly. The list is also constantly changing, so it makes it tricky to know what is and isn't okay, so, especially during the first year of my channel (when this video came out) I played it extra safe.
Fashion is nice....but I would much rather find vintage working mens clothing.
I mostly wear Victorian working class clothing these days to be fair, just cause it fits my lifestyle and helps to represent the generally unrepresented.
@@VBirchwood I am trying to work out clothing that would be functional to wear at sea....that's maybe a hard call but iv'e been looking at the kind of rough clothing that working sailors and fishermen wore.
Oilskin! I have a video on it.
@@VBirchwood funnily enough at the moment i'm starting with the idea of what sailors and fishermen wore every day because i'm a bit frustrated by the everyday wear that just doesn't work very well. The kind of thing i'm talking about are 3/4 pants because my lower legs will often be wet but where the pants have a higher waist because i'm forever tucking in shirts that are too short. Wool works surprisingly well as a mid layer , same as it does in general outdoor practice as long as it doesn't get soaked. On long (oceanic) voyages I often wore wool base layers because they just don't begin to smell as horrible as modern fabrics. I'm building the boat btw, don't have much experience with fabrics but may be heading in through the back door with some basic canvaswork. Sailors always did sew btw and many of them were good knitters.
"Men are expected to be hyper-masculine" - what is more masculine then a good fiting broad shouldered suit and fedora hat? Definitely not modern "super-slim fit" that make you look like a teenager!
I'm a non-binary person and most of my gender disphoria comes from feminine styled clothing. But I'm really interested in historical clothing and finding anything for masculine/men's wear is so difficult. I am so glad to have now found Vintagebursche and hope that the community around male historical clothing continues to grow! And just finding other German people interested in historical clothing is fascinating as Germany is in many areas still rather conservative when it comes to dress. Like I could never wear historical clothing in my small town.
Also finding out that men wore and can wear corsets was really relieving, as now I could start wearing a corset without that gender disphoria kicking in~
I’m really glad you know of Vintagebursche now too Rike! I can imagine gender dysphoria is very challenging and so the more relief the world can bring, the better. One thing I think to remember too is the garments people traditional see as “feminine” today actually were originally “mens” garments (high-heels, long curly wigs, brightly embroidered waistcoats) which just goes to show that society places gender on clothing etc. but realistically clothing doesn’t actually have a gender. At the end of the day, it should be about what makes one feel happy in their own skin, regardless of the style or what gendered box that style gets put into. I’m very sorry that people aren’t acceptant of your historical fashion in your small town and I hope that changes as people grow more open minded.
@@VBirchwood That is very true! Our ideas of gender change and I'm always interested to see how different it is today compared to bygone eras. 18th century France comes to mind where men's fashion would not be seen as typically masculine today.
I hope at some point I'll be able to disregard what others think and just do my thing and wear the clothing that makes me happy! I'm so thankful for people like you that talk about this stuff and the viewpoints and ideas they bring, they truly inspire me to do my own thing and be my own person~
Thanks so much Rike! I really appreciate that. I actually made a video a while back on how to have the confidence to wear historical clothing in public. You can find it on my channel page, perhaps it will help a bit! 😊
I'm also German, interested in historical/vintage clothing, and trans (afab) and genderfluid (mostly fluctuating between male and somewhere in the middle of the spectrum)! Always happy to find others like me! Also, I recently made my first corset and found it really comfortable, personally it gives me gender euphoria, because I feel it makes my shoulders look broader in comparison by flattening my belly and smoothing out my hips and waist.
@@ichbinben. German bigender/genderfluid person here! I love that there are quite a few historical enbies here. Still trying to figure out a way to make 1890s fashion bi-gendered. What‘s your favorite decade? (If you have one)
Girl, the hat you're wearing is too big, you should wear a smaller one to look vintage! Otherwise, your channel is wonderful. I love .
Modern clothing aka Fast Fashion, is crap.
Identifying as.
Oh for pity's sake.
You do not respect the historical, but are just using it as a vehicle for desire to rebel, when the people who made those clothes in the past would be horrified by your values (and by your appropriation of their culture).
God this guy is frustrating.
Are you going to have babies together? I mean, it seems logical. You could dress them like in 1910-30. I think you should get together, seriously.
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Why’s that?
You say that you identify as a women. But everyone can see that your a women and that vintagebursche is a man.
It got me confused.
Gender isn’t always that straight forward, so I was expressing to people what I identify as. It’s just about using more inclusive language.
@@VBirchwood It's great to see people in the historical fashion community be so inclusive!
@@sondreheh5116 thank you! It’s important all demographics feel welcome.
"Because I identify as a female". LOL. That's because you are one. It's cool you're into historical fashion. You should also be into historical commonsense.
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Your username is kind of ironic to me, because just as time is a human construct, so is gender.
Political views don't have anything to do with wearing the clothes...