Extremely helpful video. I wanted clarity on the variable bit rate settings and your insight about setting them inline with RUclips recommendation so they will possibly avoid re-compressing was just the information I was looking for. Other bits were useful as well. I'm still running Vegas Pro 12 and the configuration menu is just the same as in this video. Thank you, Tom.
I remember watching your Vegas tutorials when I was in the 8th grade - I'm almost done with college now and this video happens to be what I was looking for :) Thanks for the tutorials!
I know this is an older video and you may have learned much more since then, but I do have a few things I'd like to point out as with my own experience, they tend to be true, and in no way trying to downplay your video or the info in it just add some info I have found during my video editing travels :) RUclips always compresses your video, regardless what settings you use. It is just part of the process of uploading. So if you upload in 30Mbps, it will still compress, even if you follow their chart to a T or even rendered out into VP9 yourself. Your videos will look worse because of this, as they simply use a more industrial version of Handbrake to do it but they do it quickly because of the render/encoding farm like setup they have. So even though it seems like your videos upload and encode quick for viewers, they still compressed it. My rule of thumb, is always add about 10 to 20 more Mbps to your videos so when the compression occurs, and it seems to be around 10Mbps or more, it will not touch the quality of the video too much if at all. Another point to make which is Codecs. AVC by default, is not a great Codec for quality. It causes blocky artifacts and blur in fast moving videos like gameplay. This is the standard for H.264/x264, and it is what OBS records by default, or what people most typically use without realizing it. You can also see any video not uploaded in 1440P (Unless your a huge channel with millions of views), will show you the codec it is using, AVC1. If you upload in 1440p and/or have enough traffic to your videos, RUclips uses the VP9 codec aka VP09. That codec, is more close to being like the H.265/x265 HEVC codec, which is much much better for quality and file size for the most part. File size may vary, but the compression quality and over all quality of the video is just better. VBR is what I tend to use too to keep file sizes as low as possible, but sometimes the video will use much more then specified, so the settings really are just a guide in those cases, or at least to me, it seemed this way. Could also be maybe there was just way more data in the video recorded then the settings I specified, but I tend to follow the proper BitRate settings for each resolution and Fps. I tend to stick to these settings with each resolution, as many videos and documentation I found online point to these settings being the best possible settings for RUclips in a sense of quality, but also file size. HDR 1k = 40Mbps 2K =60Mbps 4K = 100Mbps You could probably cut off about 10Mbps if your only using 30fps or lower, but those tend to be the sweet spots even for those Fps rates, though I use them for 60Fps. I guess it would be a matter of trying it out and seeing how it looks. I also found that H.265 is the better option for recording and rendering. This includes x265, but the best to me at least is NVENC HEVC H.265. I've tried just using CPU encoding, and from what I can tell, close up to a 4K monitor, the difference is really barely visible, and for the jacked up render times is just not worth it. I know there can be issues with GPU encoding, and I myself have had issues if there are too many transitions or special FX on the video, but all this works fine with CPU encoding too. Issues tend to arise when the GPU is struggling, meaning a bottleneck somewhere in the system, or not enough dynamic RAM is being utilized. I tend to make the Dynamic RAM = 0 in the Vegas Pro settings, as it will use whatever it needs to get the job done, and errors or issues seem to have almost completely stopped for me when I did this. I also use StreamFX for OBS when recording, as it allows you to record with H.265/x265 NVENC HEVC/HEVC, giving you the best possible quality right off the bat. Many consumer cameras and professional grade cameras are now utilizing this codec, and it just seems like the better option to me. Another cool free plugin you can get for Vegas Pro, Adobe Premiere, DaVinci Resolve, and Adobe After Effects is the "Voukoder" plugin. This plugin is amazing! It allows you to boost speeds of rendering both with CPU and GPU up to 4x! So say you use GPU accelerated rendering, which is about 3 - 4x faster then CPU encoding, then you use Voukoder on top of that, which will give you another 2-4x the speed! You can get a total of 8x faster encoding/render times with this baby and you can still use H.264/x264 if you want to as well as other well known codecs such as ProRez, BlackMagic and more. It also does not have to buffer frames like Vegas Pro does by default, it just renders smoothly each frame until the end. I have many videos on my RUclips channel showing the quality of H.265 and if you watch them in native 4K with a 4K monitor, you will not be able to see any artifacts whatsoever, except maybe the banding which is one hard thing to get rid off unless you go full lossless, which RUclips, again will still compress. It eliminates blur very well, and you will not see any blocky artifacts like you would H.264. You can still use VBR, but they give you an option of a High Quality VBR better then what Vegas Pro can do by default, but also other options like CQP or Constant BitRate if size is not an issue. I tend to try to stick as close to the original recording settings as possible, but there are some cases were increasing or changing some settings will benefit you more. :) Sometimes yes, H.265 can increase file size, but sometimes it is lower or the same. I utilize HandBrake for situations like this, and if I feel color will be lost during re-encoding, I just jack up the color saturation of the video before I render out of Vegas Pro, and if you do it right, you will get a balanced color across the video. Not many would notice that, but I did a few times and found HandBrake will get rid of anything it can, to keep high quality Video, even color and sound. So for sound with Voukoder, I tend to use OPUS, and if I use Handbrake, I tend to change the AAC to MP3, making sure all audio from recording, to rendering out of Vegas, to HandBrake, is all 320. This way, you won't get any bad sound, or jumbly sound as if you were streaming a music on RealPlayer from back in the late 90s lol. Your profile settings are perfect, as I noticed Main is for 1080p or lower, and High would be for like 1440p or 4K or higher. Same goes for Voukoder settings, and OBS. One thing to note, when you showed the RUclips preferred settings, you were referencing the SDR, not the HDR. Depending on what you chose to do, mostly, from my experience, HDR is what you want to aim for even if your videos themselves are not HDR. SDR tends to drop quality massively. Again, it depends on what your going for, and what type of video footage you got to work with, be it recorded from a camera or it is a recording of gameplay or something on your computer. The reason is, SDR is aimed more closer to streaming BitRates, as 5 to 7Mbps would be what a good 1080p stream would look like, even if it is lower then 60fps, it will look good as possible without too much blocky artifacts and blur during movement, though they still do occur. Streaming tends to utilize the H.264/x264 codecs most often, but it is possible to stream with H.265/x265 if the platform allows it. I hope I could return the favor and give some helpful info incase you may not have been aware, it helped me a lot on my Channel, and finding the StreamFX and Voukoder plugins made my life sooooooo much easier and the quality of my videos are off the charts for me.
Holy hell dude, you're back, I never thought I'd see you again. I watched your videos almost 8 years ago when I was 12, now I'm getting back into Vegas and you uploaded again lol
I upload every now and then. I work full time as an editor and colorist, so having extra time editing and uploading in front of a computer burns me out a bit lol
This helped me a TON thank you so much. I had many issues with bitrates file sizes and uploads with gaming content as there is a ton of motion. I care about quality above anything else to capture the best possible intended experience. This helped me get even better quality out of what I was already getting. As for the deinterlace how come it shows up on my settings and my 2070 as an option? Render times are extremely long for some of these things if I can get any acceleration out of my hardware I’d be greatly appreciated. Edit: ran some tests, Deinterlace works for me and cuts the render time nearly in half without any sacrifice in quality (as far as I can tell) also in case its important I use 14
I also had encode mode to "AVC" since GPU render always give me troubles in the past, but I encorage people to give a try, not only becaus newer versions are better, but also because is three time faster.
I have a question for you . If I jst upload my video say to RUclips jst like how I recorded with nvidia to RUclips would the quality be better than if I then put the video through Sony Vegas and then upload it to RUclips or the Sony Vegas one would look better .
Interesting question. I would run it through Vegas first because if I remember correctly, nvidia uses a variable frame rate as it records, so making that one frame rate on export would probably be best.
Extremely helpful video. I wanted clarity on the variable bit rate settings and your insight about setting them inline with RUclips recommendation so they will possibly avoid re-compressing was just the information I was looking for. Other bits were useful as well. I'm still running Vegas Pro 12 and the configuration menu is just the same as in this video. Thank you, Tom.
I remember watching your Vegas tutorials when I was in the 8th grade - I'm almost done with college now and this video happens to be what I was looking for :) Thanks for the tutorials!
Happy to help!
lmao, same here bro
time flies
I know this is an older video and you may have learned much more since then, but I do have a few things I'd like to point out as with my own experience, they tend to be true, and in no way trying to downplay your video or the info in it just add some info I have found during my video editing travels :)
RUclips always compresses your video, regardless what settings you use. It is just part of the process of uploading. So if you upload in 30Mbps, it will still compress, even if you follow their chart to a T or even rendered out into VP9 yourself. Your videos will look worse because of this, as they simply use a more industrial version of Handbrake to do it but they do it quickly because of the render/encoding farm like setup they have. So even though it seems like your videos upload and encode quick for viewers, they still compressed it. My rule of thumb, is always add about 10 to 20 more Mbps to your videos so when the compression occurs, and it seems to be around 10Mbps or more, it will not touch the quality of the video too much if at all.
Another point to make which is Codecs. AVC by default, is not a great Codec for quality. It causes blocky artifacts and blur in fast moving videos like gameplay. This is the standard for H.264/x264, and it is what OBS records by default, or what people most typically use without realizing it. You can also see any video not uploaded in 1440P (Unless your a huge channel with millions of views), will show you the codec it is using, AVC1. If you upload in 1440p and/or have enough traffic to your videos, RUclips uses the VP9 codec aka VP09. That codec, is more close to being like the H.265/x265 HEVC codec, which is much much better for quality and file size for the most part. File size may vary, but the compression quality and over all quality of the video is just better.
VBR is what I tend to use too to keep file sizes as low as possible, but sometimes the video will use much more then specified, so the settings really are just a guide in those cases, or at least to me, it seemed this way. Could also be maybe there was just way more data in the video recorded then the settings I specified, but I tend to follow the proper BitRate settings for each resolution and Fps. I tend to stick to these settings with each resolution, as many videos and documentation I found online point to these settings being the best possible settings for RUclips in a sense of quality, but also file size.
HDR
1k = 40Mbps
2K =60Mbps
4K = 100Mbps
You could probably cut off about 10Mbps if your only using 30fps or lower, but those tend to be the sweet spots even for those Fps rates, though I use them for 60Fps. I guess it would be a matter of trying it out and seeing how it looks.
I also found that H.265 is the better option for recording and rendering. This includes x265, but the best to me at least is NVENC HEVC H.265. I've tried just using CPU encoding, and from what I can tell, close up to a 4K monitor, the difference is really barely visible, and for the jacked up render times is just not worth it. I know there can be issues with GPU encoding, and I myself have had issues if there are too many transitions or special FX on the video, but all this works fine with CPU encoding too. Issues tend to arise when the GPU is struggling, meaning a bottleneck somewhere in the system, or not enough dynamic RAM is being utilized. I tend to make the Dynamic RAM = 0 in the Vegas Pro settings, as it will use whatever it needs to get the job done, and errors or issues seem to have almost completely stopped for me when I did this.
I also use StreamFX for OBS when recording, as it allows you to record with H.265/x265 NVENC HEVC/HEVC, giving you the best possible quality right off the bat. Many consumer cameras and professional grade cameras are now utilizing this codec, and it just seems like the better option to me.
Another cool free plugin you can get for Vegas Pro, Adobe Premiere, DaVinci Resolve, and Adobe After Effects is the "Voukoder" plugin. This plugin is amazing! It allows you to boost speeds of rendering both with CPU and GPU up to 4x! So say you use GPU accelerated rendering, which is about 3 - 4x faster then CPU encoding, then you use Voukoder on top of that, which will give you another 2-4x the speed! You can get a total of 8x faster encoding/render times with this baby and you can still use H.264/x264 if you want to as well as other well known codecs such as ProRez, BlackMagic and more. It also does not have to buffer frames like Vegas Pro does by default, it just renders smoothly each frame until the end.
I have many videos on my RUclips channel showing the quality of H.265 and if you watch them in native 4K with a 4K monitor, you will not be able to see any artifacts whatsoever, except maybe the banding which is one hard thing to get rid off unless you go full lossless, which RUclips, again will still compress. It eliminates blur very well, and you will not see any blocky artifacts like you would H.264.
You can still use VBR, but they give you an option of a High Quality VBR better then what Vegas Pro can do by default, but also other options like CQP or Constant BitRate if size is not an issue. I tend to try to stick as close to the original recording settings as possible, but there are some cases were increasing or changing some settings will benefit you more. :)
Sometimes yes, H.265 can increase file size, but sometimes it is lower or the same. I utilize HandBrake for situations like this, and if I feel color will be lost during re-encoding, I just jack up the color saturation of the video before I render out of Vegas Pro, and if you do it right, you will get a balanced color across the video. Not many would notice that, but I did a few times and found HandBrake will get rid of anything it can, to keep high quality Video, even color and sound.
So for sound with Voukoder, I tend to use OPUS, and if I use Handbrake, I tend to change the AAC to MP3, making sure all audio from recording, to rendering out of Vegas, to HandBrake, is all 320. This way, you won't get any bad sound, or jumbly sound as if you were streaming a music on RealPlayer from back in the late 90s lol.
Your profile settings are perfect, as I noticed Main is for 1080p or lower, and High would be for like 1440p or 4K or higher. Same goes for Voukoder settings, and OBS.
One thing to note, when you showed the RUclips preferred settings, you were referencing the SDR, not the HDR. Depending on what you chose to do, mostly, from my experience, HDR is what you want to aim for even if your videos themselves are not HDR. SDR tends to drop quality massively. Again, it depends on what your going for, and what type of video footage you got to work with, be it recorded from a camera or it is a recording of gameplay or something on your computer. The reason is, SDR is aimed more closer to streaming BitRates, as 5 to 7Mbps would be what a good 1080p stream would look like, even if it is lower then 60fps, it will look good as possible without too much blocky artifacts and blur during movement, though they still do occur. Streaming tends to utilize the H.264/x264 codecs most often, but it is possible to stream with H.265/x265 if the platform allows it.
I hope I could return the favor and give some helpful info incase you may not have been aware, it helped me a lot on my Channel, and finding the StreamFX and Voukoder plugins made my life sooooooo much easier and the quality of my videos are off the charts for me.
I Love the granular level of detail you have provided here. Thank you.
Holy hell dude, you're back, I never thought I'd see you again. I watched your videos almost 8 years ago when I was 12, now I'm getting back into Vegas and you uploaded again lol
I upload every now and then. I work full time as an editor and colorist, so having extra time editing and uploading in front of a computer burns me out a bit lol
what about black ops 1 B&W CC/pancrop tutorial? 😂 good to see you back man
Haha no we're talkin
This helped me a TON thank you so much. I had many issues with bitrates file sizes and uploads with gaming content as there is a ton of motion. I care about quality above anything else to capture the best possible intended experience. This helped me get even better quality out of what I was already getting. As for the deinterlace how come it shows up on my settings and my 2070 as an option? Render times are extremely long for some of these things if I can get any acceleration out of my hardware I’d be greatly appreciated.
Edit: ran some tests, Deinterlace works for me and cuts the render time nearly in half without any sacrifice in quality (as far as I can tell)
also in case its important I use 14
I also had encode mode to "AVC" since GPU render always give me troubles in the past, but I encorage people to give a try, not only becaus newer versions are better, but also because is three time faster.
Thanks Tom!
Hello, if you don't mind me asking. Why would you set the fps to 23,976 instead of 29,976?
Vegas 21.0 render setting NOT FOR RUclips?
I have a question for you . If I jst upload my video say to RUclips jst like how I recorded with nvidia to RUclips would the quality be better than if I then put the video through Sony Vegas and then upload it to RUclips or the Sony Vegas one would look better .
Interesting question. I would run it through Vegas first because if I remember correctly, nvidia uses a variable frame rate as it records, so making that one frame rate on export would probably be best.
@@byProvings Thnks
thankyou
Hey, nice video!
Would you also do the same setting is you would render game clips?
As long as the frame rate and resolution match your source!
@@byProvings Cool thanks a ton! So recording in 1080p with 50Mb bitrate and then uploading to youtube in 1440p is a nogo?
@@PaffDaddyTR you could upscale It to get a higher bitrate sure!
Who's on 360p squad haha
yeeee
me lol
@@aspire7600 haha should be good now
@@seeUSoon- go to go now!