Woman Wrongly Accuses Black Man of Stealing Phone

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  • Опубликовано: 9 дек 2021
  • A Black shopper is speaking out after being falsely accused of taking a woman’s phone that was actually in her purse all along. Kinley and his partner, whose name on TikTok is T, were shopping at a gift store in Palm Desert, California, when they noticed a woman was looking at them suspiciously. That’s when the woman said, “I just stuck [the phone] right here and you walked up behind me and you swiped it." Eventually, the woman found the phone in her purse, where it had been the whole time.

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  • @summeraku
    @summeraku 2 года назад +7940

    "I just freaked out". You freaked out just because a black man walked by you and you assumed your phone was missing even though it wasn't missing?.
    Make that make sense.

    • @condorX2
      @condorX2 2 года назад +79

      Plot twist
      She was lonely and want to make friends with strangers in colored. That's one of her bad habit.

    • @shanae9594
      @shanae9594 2 года назад +13

      This PART....🤯 It's just so sad!

    • @Former_Pastor
      @Former_Pastor 2 года назад +25

      She can blame menopausal symptoms 😂

    • @michaellandon1960
      @michaellandon1960 2 года назад +10

      Yeah, this isn't Walgreens

    • @a.a131
      @a.a131 2 года назад +15

      @@Former_Pastor .... Tf

  • @DavidJ245
    @DavidJ245 2 года назад +23723

    Moment of silence for her husband. I’m sure he gets blamed for everything.

    • @tegridyfarms6851
      @tegridyfarms6851 2 года назад +493

      Women like this have a significant other? Hes probably just as racist as her

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад +62

      That woman did the right thing lol

    • @hollowkid97
      @hollowkid97 2 года назад +926

      @@resilientultimate6869 accusing someone of theft?

    • @allenboone3049
      @allenboone3049 2 года назад +24

      😂💀

    • @tegridyfarms6851
      @tegridyfarms6851 2 года назад +252

      @A P shes sorry she got caught….

  • @AraAra6367
    @AraAra6367 Год назад +684

    He went above and beyond in emptying his pockets, the clerk offering to call her phone, and home girl STILL came up with every excuse to pin the blame on this man. And she still had the audacity to try and explain herself after he walked off.

    • @pratikshamajee3262
      @pratikshamajee3262 Год назад +2

      she found the phone by then so she said she put it on silent!

    • @javiersilva1577
      @javiersilva1577 Год назад +4

      At least she apologized. It was completely wrong but some I have seen similar videos where the person has no remorse.

    • @lloydnelson778
      @lloydnelson778 Год назад +11

      Looks around sees a black man..blames him right away...

    • @reginamushi6582
      @reginamushi6582 Год назад +3

      When at the end she says she freaked out, why, because you ve seen a black man!...wife should be slapped the the Karen really!

    • @Dinnerthedaythebanksareopen
      @Dinnerthedaythebanksareopen Год назад +6

      @@javiersilva1577 Is that what you consider an apology…?

  • @mitsubachihachi9643
    @mitsubachihachi9643 Год назад +498

    I feel bad for him.
    Not just because she falsely accused him for stealing from her and only apologized to save face, but he had to meet someone as clueless and ignorant as her.

  • @WizKhalia13
    @WizKhalia13 2 года назад +7280

    The sad thing is he has a right to walk off. He shouldn’t have to empty his pockets because of a baseless accusation. Get a grip people
    Edit: Please stop telling me about the Black experience, I’m a Black woman. I live it too.

    • @miguelle4756
      @miguelle4756 2 года назад +257

      A lot of baseless accusations can still lead to fatal situations.

    • @AllenHanPR
      @AllenHanPR 2 года назад +30

      So I guess as long as someone doesn't see me do it I can ignore whatever people say.

    • @dabbingboidabs4286
      @dabbingboidabs4286 2 года назад +31

      The accusation doesnt seem baseless to me, that woman had every right to question the possible-thief

    • @Lonetoker1983
      @Lonetoker1983 2 года назад +75

      Yea but if he does walk off she probably would assault him an say he beat her bitchass

    • @dianeyoung8068
      @dianeyoung8068 2 года назад +107

      Yes, but can you imagine how the police would have handled him?

  • @melissamcclain34
    @melissamcclain34 2 года назад +13881

    The chorus of Karens at the end was EVERYTHING😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @chocolatecapricorn9418
      @chocolatecapricorn9418 2 года назад +225

      Especially the one rocking the Kate Gosselin!

    • @ciheanacho82
      @ciheanacho82 2 года назад +58

      @@chocolatecapricorn9418 THIS!!! 🤣😭😭☠️

    • @katekong5720
      @katekong5720 2 года назад +296

      They even had their facial expressions READY for this performance 😭

    • @abdulruziev109
      @abdulruziev109 2 года назад +2

      @@katekong5720 e

    • @justhefax8479
      @justhefax8479 2 года назад +5

      Bahaahaa

  • @Frightmarelordofthenightmares
    @Frightmarelordofthenightmares Год назад +225

    The Fact She Was So Quick To Say He Probably Silenced It Before They Called It Makes Me Think She Hid Her Phone On Purpose.

    • @Frightmarelordofthenightmares
      @Frightmarelordofthenightmares Год назад +2

      @@mitchelllodge685 I like to do that sometimes

    • @cindydott452
      @cindydott452 Год назад +4

      I silence my phone when I go to bed. She said he silenced when she saw it in her bag.

  • @sofiaspetsieris6799
    @sofiaspetsieris6799 Год назад +142

    She didn’t make an honest mistake… u can tell she just wanted to accuse him… she kept trying to stall so she wouldn’t have to check in her purse she knew her phone was with her the whole time

  • @itazuranakisu
    @itazuranakisu 2 года назад +11581

    She accused him without proof or at the very least emptying her purse. That was a humiliating thing for that man to do. She only apologized to save face. When she realized the first time she found her phone she didn’t stop and apologize but continued so her apology means nothing. Just because she’s not getting physical or calling the cops doesn’t mean she gets a pat on the head for “not being the worse kind of Karen”. What a low bar.

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад +22

      He shouldn’t of been in the store in the first place 😂

    • @joesmith-em2cd
      @joesmith-em2cd 2 года назад +247

      @@resilientultimate6869 Why not?

    • @ron4202
      @ron4202 2 года назад +179

      @@resilientultimate6869 Troll?

    • @dennraeh
      @dennraeh 2 года назад +85

      @@resilientultimate6869 huh?? why??

    • @anonnnymousthegreat
      @anonnnymousthegreat 2 года назад +237

      She had an apple watch on too. She could’ve pinged her phone and found out where it was.

  • @laurencaulton103
    @laurencaulton103 2 года назад +4056

    I think she felt it in her purse, and THAT is why she didn't want the clerk to call her phone. "He could have silenced it." That's her deflecting from the idea of calling the phone. She's more interested in the narrative that a Black man robbed her than she is in getting the phone "back."

    • @MrReturn2sender
      @MrReturn2sender 2 года назад +70

      Exactly!

    • @RONPEE-STINGER
      @RONPEE-STINGER 2 года назад +7

      Damn this happened in my valley
      Im from Coachella

    • @davidbeck7615
      @davidbeck7615 2 года назад +19

      Why would she call it then? She could have just put in a fake number. Your argument sounds good but makes no sense. It’s more a black guy walked next to her, she freaked out, couldn’t locate her phone for 1 second and before actually looking for it threw out accusations. Sad she jumps to that conclusion.

    • @lilz1338
      @lilz1338 2 года назад +58

      @@davidbeck7615 your argument sounds dumb. "A black man just supposedly walks past me I freak out and look for my phone" for what? He didn't do anything to make her want to look for her phone or intentionally made her suspect she might need her phone for something

    • @davidbeck7615
      @davidbeck7615 2 года назад +1

      @@lilz1338 well please explain why she acted like that, genius?

  • @papasmurf4206
    @papasmurf4206 Год назад +69

    Me personally I wouldn’t take this level of disrespect.

    • @papasmurf4206
      @papasmurf4206 6 месяцев назад

      @@BADxMOFO I would do something to you though

  • @ASO-de2jl3iz8z
    @ASO-de2jl3iz8z 9 месяцев назад +21

    I love how she instantly accused him of stealing her phone before she even tried to ask someone to call her phone or even empty out her purse-

    • @xdani_thethinkingneko
      @xdani_thethinkingneko Месяц назад

      Seriously, that's the first thing I do when I can't find my phone is ask someone to call it 🤦🏻‍♀️

  • @SaroDantra
    @SaroDantra 2 года назад +7592

    The full video is fun. At one point you can tell she realises that her phone is in her bag but she doesn't want to admit it. So she just keeps accusing. The clerk basically shoves the phone into her hand for her number. Then suprise suprise she finds it right away.
    Disgraceful.
    The guy was really nice about it though, he was way more forgiving than most people.

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад +6

      That woman did the right thing lol

    • @fireflymiesumae
      @fireflymiesumae 2 года назад +474

      @@resilientultimate6869 just like your dad when he left

    • @letsdoodlesomethinghome3404
      @letsdoodlesomethinghome3404 2 года назад +306

      @@fireflymiesumae APPLY COLD WATER TO THAT BURN 🤣

    • @BlazeEst
      @BlazeEst 2 года назад +38

      I can see this happening I’ve acted like I was looking for something missing after accusing one of my roommates if they took it🤣😂

    • @ariella2658
      @ariella2658 2 года назад +2

      BRUH- ITS SUCH A SHAME😂

  • @phoebex7170
    @phoebex7170 2 года назад +7101

    Imagine being falsely accused like this and fearing that the police could be called and you might end-up hurt or killed just because you "fit the description".

    • @PANZERFAUST90
      @PANZERFAUST90 2 года назад +88

      You won't be hurt if you're not doing anything.
      relax

    • @Vuhry
      @Vuhry 2 года назад +88

      Imagine having that mindset lol. Think before you start spreading the typical media “scenario “. If you haven’t done anything wrong and listen to policie’s commands the person will be on his way. Simple as that! But that lady should of done a smarter tactic in finding her phone. Instead of accusing the closes person to her. Smh

    • @londonsublett2251
      @londonsublett2251 2 года назад +249

      @@PANZERFAUST90 that’s 🧢

    • @londonsublett2251
      @londonsublett2251 2 года назад +30

      @@PANZERFAUST90 many times black ppl follow directions and calmly and still proceed to get hurt/killed

    • @alexcortez830
      @alexcortez830 2 года назад +15

      Fear what??? He didn't take it. Call the cops.

  • @Veronica.A.
    @Veronica.A. 3 месяца назад +8

    I bet if she wouldn't be recorded, she wouldn't have apologized at all. A true Karen.

    • @peppop1809
      @peppop1809 2 месяца назад

      Why still comparing that beautiful name to this bad people?

    • @Veronica.A.
      @Veronica.A. 2 месяца назад

      ​@@peppop1809 It's not only me who is calling her that name.She is already called a Karen by the narrator of this video. Watch again from beginning.

    • @peppop1809
      @peppop1809 2 месяца назад

      @@Veronica.A. I sadly know it's a trend!

    • @Veronica.A.
      @Veronica.A. 2 месяца назад

      @@peppop1809 if you already know it's a trend and if you know that it wasn't I who started it, then you shouldn't be telling me to stop comparing that beautiful name to " this bad people."

  • @ChildOfGod0777
    @ChildOfGod0777 Год назад +45

    I loose my phone in my purse all the time, I have never once thought of blaming someone for steeling it!! Of course after a moment of panic I find it every time!!! Just because a man walks close to you doesn't mean he just snagged your phone 🤷‍♀️

    • @tragediesrequiem1
      @tragediesrequiem1 Год назад +3

      Right!? the first instinct would be to try and call her phone from someone who's willing to let her use their phones

    • @narukami6364
      @narukami6364 Год назад

      Lose* stealing*

    • @realSimoneCherie
      @realSimoneCherie Год назад +1

      ALL the time

    • @angrysilence1234....
      @angrysilence1234.... Год назад +2

      Yeah, my purse often seems likd it may as well be a cave, or a bottomless pit. I practically have to "empty it out" to find my phone, my keys, a pen, any gd thing in it!! I think I'm gonna stop carrying one, especially since I don't use most of the c**p I got in it, anyway. But, as heavy as it is, I can at least give a good "whack", possibly even a "nice concussion" to anybody I hit with it who is trying anything "hostile" with me. It often feels like I got a brick in it. Maybe I do, and just can't gd find it!!🤪

  • @christinahernandez9819
    @christinahernandez9819 2 года назад +1239

    The woman owes him more than that. She was being a complete jerk.

    • @nordicpink
      @nordicpink 2 года назад +47

      Especially when offered to have the phone called and declined saying the man probably silenced it. How insulting.

    • @Rico401Prov
      @Rico401Prov 2 года назад +6

      I’d want some top behind the building to help with my emotional damages 💯

    • @MrImpavid
      @MrImpavid 2 года назад +6

      Bruh what was she supposed to do? Give him a kiss on the lips? Give him 100 dollars? Become his slave? This comment genuinely gave me a headache.

    • @zx208
      @zx208 2 года назад +5

      @@Rico401Prov exactly the only logical compensation in a situation like this is some sloppy toppy and we're even

    • @zx208
      @zx208 2 года назад +9

      @@MrImpavid yes a kiss on his head, his pp head

  • @JesseDanLee
    @JesseDanLee 2 года назад +1269

    “I need to pull out my camera right now because I know this is about to get stupid really fast”. And they were correct.

    • @mervyngreene6687
      @mervyngreene6687 2 года назад +16

      This is really disturbing. Even after the man emptied his pockets, she kept on accusing him.

    • @goodamericanjeansstylist
      @goodamericanjeansstylist 2 года назад

      Yes. Don't shop at Family Dollar store's as they falsely accuse people of stealing just for entering the store.

    • @realSimoneCherie
      @realSimoneCherie Год назад

      Man I hope I remember that if needed God forbid

  • @AmiraMuhammad
    @AmiraMuhammad Год назад +38

    🤦🏾‍♀️ now if she actually seen him physically take her phone than that’s different, but she should have took everything out of her pocket book and looked thoroughly instead of blaming anyone that she seen close by.

  • @distantraveller9876
    @distantraveller9876 Год назад +150

    When will people learn to not judge a book by it's cover? It never ends well.

    • @jameswest4692
      @jameswest4692 Год назад +7

      I know, Mein Kampf is quite a good read but its writer isnt in vogue

    • @RMV6
      @RMV6 Год назад

      same thing would have happened with a white person but it wouldnt be on the news. As soon as someone touches a black person it's racist. She just wanted to know where her phone went. Nothing racist here.

    • @betat.4974
      @betat.4974 Год назад +2

      Somecase u should

    • @NoNameX_X0
      @NoNameX_X0 Год назад +3

      @@jameswest4692 💀

    • @UnprofessionalProfessor
      @UnprofessionalProfessor Год назад

      @@jameswest4692 Unironically this

  • @chillinebony
    @chillinebony 2 года назад +3152

    This woman is vile. She must have seen the phone in her purse as she was searching through it, yet she kept up with this act. I'm not sure what she wanted to accomplish, but she failed. What a miserable human being.

    • @kmahrc7707
      @kmahrc7707 2 года назад +54

      Deplorable human being she is!

    • @MimifromChicago
      @MimifromChicago 2 года назад +75

      I don't know if she saw it or not, but he did nothing to deserve being accused. I am SO tired of seeing these videos.

    • @rigobatiancila5824
      @rigobatiancila5824 2 года назад +5

      @@kmahrc7707 she’s an idiot but deplorable? 😂 chill bro

    • @Seeker7257
      @Seeker7257 2 года назад +35

      She displays an inconsiderate attitude. She could have handled the situation respectfully, but she didn't. :(

    • @joshua25k64
      @joshua25k64 2 года назад +8

      It's really not a big deal she didn't know get over it. People make mistakes.

  • @monicadevino-donofrio9744
    @monicadevino-donofrio9744 2 года назад +2213

    He should have NEVER EMPTIED HIS POCKETS. That woman was totally wrong to have accused him. I would definitely had told her off.

    • @hughjaanus6680
      @hughjaanus6680 2 года назад +16

      definitely have, not definitely had.

    • @TheGrimSniper14
      @TheGrimSniper14 2 года назад +139

      He didn’t have to but it was smarter to just to make her look more stupid

    • @j5892000
      @j5892000 2 года назад +4

      No.. she isnt wrong

    • @honeyhernandez91
      @honeyhernandez91 2 года назад +1

      Thank you

    • @hughjaanus6680
      @hughjaanus6680 2 года назад +2

      @@TheGrimSniper14 Why was his HOODIE pulled up in the shop. Isn't that their cloaking device?

  • @thatgurl791
    @thatgurl791 Год назад +42

    He emptied out his pocket so sure that It wasn’t there if she still didn’t believe him this is unbelievable she should go to jail

    • @2012petvet
      @2012petvet Год назад

      It's Because She's Very Clearly Racist.

    • @kooms2829
      @kooms2829 Год назад

      too far

    • @donuts3476
      @donuts3476 Год назад +3

      @@kooms2829 how is it to far? She wrongly accused him, and if he was found guilty he would've went to jail. So it's safe to say that she deserves to go to jail.

  • @salmanulfarisyv.r868
    @salmanulfarisyv.r868 Год назад +11

    Imagine her finding this video and filing a complaint for calling her out.

  • @lubcece
    @lubcece 2 года назад +1513

    when he said he emptied his pockets my heart hurt for him. he shouldn't have to be in fear like that. What's wrong with people these days?!

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад +3

      He shouldn’t of been in the store in the first place 😂

    • @cristinaestrella
      @cristinaestrella 2 года назад +129

      @@resilientultimate6869 yo mama shouldn’t have been in the store 😍

    • @tracyholloman5271
      @tracyholloman5271 2 года назад +37

      I felt the same way his eyes , you could tell he was hurt. I hate white people like her and I'm white!!

    • @BlazeEst
      @BlazeEst 2 года назад +29

      @@tracyholloman5271 you have compassion and understanding; that’s enough on your part on trying to deter racism don’t feel hate and swoop down to her level. ❤️

    • @DatGrA2b
      @DatGrA2b 2 года назад +17

      @@cristinaestrella the way you're trolling the troll😂😂😂😂😂

  • @TRESEfrom1985
    @TRESEfrom1985 2 года назад +2223

    This is absolutely disgusting. Not a second thought about criminalizing an innocent person just for walking past her. I can only imagine the emotional trauma, considering a potential negative encounter with police, being likely to assume that he's guilty.
    Glad the incident was filmed and publicized, but can't this young man press charges or at least file a police report against her for being falsely accused & humiliated?

    • @mahensaj3043
      @mahensaj3043 2 года назад +14

      Yeah i think this issue is not about “black” person. IMO this type of person would actually just go around accusing anyone who is around them. They’re just too ignorant, similar to a narcissist’s behaviour.

    • @TRESEfrom1985
      @TRESEfrom1985 2 года назад +42

      @@mahensaj3043 Thanks for your remarks, this is absolutely narcissistic behavior. But, where in my comment did you read anything regarding a "black" person? I'm confused.

    • @mahensaj3043
      @mahensaj3043 2 года назад +8

      @TRESEfrom1985 sorry I wasn’t clear. What I meant is about most other comments including the video’s title mentioned black but you did not and that’s why I supported you because I felt the issue is not about racism here but a person’s characteristics. Glad you picked up upon that! 👍

    • @goodamericanjeansstylist
      @goodamericanjeansstylist 2 года назад +1

      The police would have investigated and made her look crazy.

    • @kdsavage1991
      @kdsavage1991 2 года назад +26

      @@mahensaj3043 You really swear you just did something lol

  • @insomnia20422
    @insomnia20422 2 месяца назад +2

    Imagine accusing someone of stealing without even properly checking your bag...

    • @pep590
      @pep590 2 месяца назад

      Happens to all races all of the time. Too bad Racist Inside Edition doesn't know that.

  • @Luminous000
    @Luminous000 3 месяца назад +2

    being blamed without any solid proof, this is an outrage

  • @elizehs
    @elizehs 2 года назад +463

    the young man really kept his cool, making sure not to escalate the situation. I’m not sure i would have been able to restrain myself from making a scene…truly admirable, what a gentleman!

    • @hegodamask8050
      @hegodamask8050 2 года назад +7

      "Admirable"? Try "survival"

    • @AlCatSplat
      @AlCatSplat 2 года назад +10

      @K M R shot by police

    • @mels8990
      @mels8990 2 года назад +10

      He has to because understand this..if the cops showed up and they saw a Black Man and a White Woman ( which in this country is a serious NO No ) especially a White Woman in so-called “distress”, the cops just showing up would AUTOMATICALLY side with her and pounce or worst things to the Black Man…that’s the part No one wants to address 🤷‍♂️

    • @ShmacK96
      @ShmacK96 2 года назад

      @@mels8990 oh Mel you poor thing. You must be living 30 years in the past

    • @tellurye
      @tellurye 2 года назад +2

      "I’m not sure i would have been able to restrain myself from making a scene" And that's what makes you a Karen.

  • @XpCRuZ
    @XpCRuZ 2 года назад +509

    Imagine how dumb it is not to check through the purse first.damm didn't think i get likes that fast,

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад

      He shouldn’t of been in the store in the first place 😂

    • @ikamyn
      @ikamyn 2 года назад +30

      @@resilientultimate6869 its a store dawg

    • @moonbearr4624
      @moonbearr4624 2 года назад +15

      @@resilientultimate6869 its a store....

    • @mommyissue
      @mommyissue 2 года назад +7

      @@resilientultimate6869 isn't that what their for 💀💀

    • @_Scorpionbabe_
      @_Scorpionbabe_ 2 года назад +3

      @@resilientultimate6869 it’s a public area ANYONE can be there lol

  • @lolghp299
    @lolghp299 2 года назад +10

    Imagine she say she gonna call the police on him for stealing his phone then she pulls up her phone and dials 911

  • @javierfernandez9042
    @javierfernandez9042 Год назад +16

    This is disgusting to watch this. I can't believe how much evil people have in them . Blinded by their own sin

  • @judithnegron6668
    @judithnegron6668 2 года назад +338

    The worse part is you can see when she notices her phone in her purse, but continues to pretend it's still missing.

  • @martiwaterman1437
    @martiwaterman1437 2 года назад +370

    Can I add a thumbs up to the clerk who calmly offered to dial her phone.

  • @gabrielesquivel9244
    @gabrielesquivel9244 Год назад +2

    She knew the phone was there. See how fast she pulled it out.

  • @H4rv3ym1Ik
    @H4rv3ym1Ik Год назад +8

    "I just freaked out" is an insultingly trivial reason for potentially ruining another person's day/life/alive-ness over a fleeting emotional moment someone shirked the personal responsibility to manage.

  • @TheJayDTV
    @TheJayDTV 2 года назад +249

    That man handled it so well. He did not need to empty his pockets and he was really cool with it all in the end. If I were her I would have bought them their groceries or bought them a nice meal for a date for the two on her. Its a learning experience for her and really she is lucky she didn't make it worse.

    • @sw5376
      @sw5376 2 года назад +9

      You actually think buying dinner will take away what she did or who she is as a person?smdh. Why even say if u were her? Cz there is a possibility of you acting in a similar way?

    • @rhondaouwenga7429
      @rhondaouwenga7429 2 года назад +2

      Yes great idea

    • @MyName_Jeff
      @MyName_Jeff 2 года назад +6

      @@sw5376 can't tell if stupid or trolling

    • @TheJayDTV
      @TheJayDTV 2 года назад

      @@rhondaouwenga7429 Thank you. Personally I would rather see a story a year from now Titled something like "Last years Karen hosts Thanksgiving" specifically inviting them to her family thanksgiving. Maybe be a yearly tradition.
      That would be awesome to me.

  • @teejames5098
    @teejames5098 2 года назад +267

    She saw the phone in her bag, she knew it was there that's why she was making all the excuses in the world to not give her number..glad the clerk shove the phone in her hand so she could shame herself..she's an evil individual..

    • @GuardianDiancie
      @GuardianDiancie 2 года назад +7

      When the lady started filming. I was hoping the phone began to ring in her bag.

    • @eavymuturuh3717
      @eavymuturuh3717 2 года назад +9

      @@GuardianDiancie and it did

    • @Seeker7257
      @Seeker7257 2 года назад +2

      Just hope and pray for this woman's heart to be healed and made new in Christ Jesus!

    • @GuardianDiancie
      @GuardianDiancie 2 года назад +1

      @@eavymuturuh3717 lol thanks for pointing that out

  • @preettyE
    @preettyE Год назад +2

    She reminds me of my mother. Quick to blame someone else without doing a proper search first 🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @denike1617
    @denike1617 Год назад +3

    She knew it was in bag, but had freaked out too far to stop, which is why she didn't want them calling it.
    You can see she wasn't shocked when it rang in her purse.

  • @brodyk6048
    @brodyk6048 2 года назад +761

    “Stop filming me, Stop filming me. I don’t want to go viral.
    Stop filming me, Stop filming me. As I start to spiral.”
    That had me laughing so hard!

    • @Patriot64
      @Patriot64 2 года назад +4

      😁

    • @SHAD0WKNITE
      @SHAD0WKNITE 2 года назад +15

      It's actually just cringe
      People only film "Karens" for the viral clout
      Instead of filming, how about you calm her down and deal with the situation. Not filming the situation would make it go better. No one wants a camera in their face, "karen" or not.

    • @brodyk6048
      @brodyk6048 2 года назад +4

      @@SHAD0WKNITE you have a point.

    • @KaoshimaCheshire
      @KaoshimaCheshire 2 года назад +37

      @@SHAD0WKNITE Having a video record of events is important to protect yourself. Karens have no qualms about boldly lying to cover their own asses. Having evidence of what actually happened can literally save your life.

    • @SHAD0WKNITE
      @SHAD0WKNITE 2 года назад +1

      @@KaoshimaCheshire but if you resolve the situation, then people only post it for clout and stuff
      And 🐑 love it

  • @Royceman1995
    @Royceman1995 2 года назад +821

    She was only saying sorry to cover her butt. She wasn’t apologetic. She didn’t care that she just falsely accused the guy of stealing her phone.

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад +4

      That man deserved it though lol

    • @edithart5753
      @edithart5753 2 года назад +18

      TheWicked how did he deserve it?

    • @Theoneandonlyearthhuman
      @Theoneandonlyearthhuman 2 года назад +18

      How do u know she wasn't apologetic? Ur a mind reader now?

    • @Royceman1995
      @Royceman1995 2 года назад +33

      @@Theoneandonlyearthhuman because she apologized right after falsely accusing the guy. It makes me think it wasn’t sincere

    • @lemonzg8404
      @lemonzg8404 2 года назад +34

      @@Theoneandonlyearthhuman Dude she knew she was wrong in the 1st place she just trying to find an excuse to be racist

  • @sorose3080
    @sorose3080 Год назад +4

    Her first instinct wasn’t to think she misplaced it but blame the first black perish she saw …. Disgusting , I hope she loses her job and everything

  • @albtor2251
    @albtor2251 2 года назад +3

    The worst part is that Karen being latina a minority & accusing somebody like that 😔.

  • @tiffanynelson6349
    @tiffanynelson6349 2 года назад +298

    She didn’t wrongly accuse him. She saw that phone in her purse and kept her lie going

    • @kiasherrhonda5663
      @kiasherrhonda5663 2 года назад +15

      Right that's why she said he probably put it on silent. She kept the accusation going to save face. Disgraceful.

    • @xanon4210
      @xanon4210 Год назад +5

      @@kiasherrhonda5663 This happens with rape accusations too. People keep the lie going to save face. Except it's even worse and more damaging.

    • @hiltonlive32grnrngr
      @hiltonlive32grnrngr Год назад +2

      So... she wrongly accused him.
      "She saw that phone in her purse and kept her lie going" sounds like wrongly accusing to me! 😊

    • @2012petvet
      @2012petvet Год назад +2

      That's Literally What 'Wrongly Accusing' Someone Means.

    • @MyNameJeff00
      @MyNameJeff00 Год назад

      He could've put it back. It's often seen by blacks

  • @taytay2391
    @taytay2391 2 года назад +661

    The Singing Karens at the The End HAD ME “Stop Filming me, Stop Filming me “ 🎶🎄 😂😂🙌🏽🙌🏽👏🏽😭😭😭

    • @carterburton
      @carterburton 2 года назад +10

      😂

    • @Faker.account
      @Faker.account 2 года назад +7

      But they're being 🎥

    • @Faker.account
      @Faker.account 2 года назад +5

      😂
      😶

    • @budychristaruna821
      @budychristaruna821 2 года назад +2

      Oh I am famous now ... Oh yah, i am sucks and racist

    • @bekimcolaku5258
      @bekimcolaku5258 2 года назад +2

      Have you ever seen Worldstar's how many black people get severely beaten or even killed how come that don't make the news ⁉️🤔

  • @geekjanet
    @geekjanet Год назад +38

    This is so dangerous, shame on her, especially in our racial climate.

    • @persephoneharrison3439
      @persephoneharrison3439 Год назад

      I am enraged by white women weaponizing racial anxiety, using their white femininity to activate systems of white terror against black men. This has long been a power white women realized they had and that they exerted.

  • @bobbyavitia
    @bobbyavitia 2 года назад +1

    It's always the regret after the situation instead of taking a sec to think about what their doing.

  • @stacycato9257
    @stacycato9257 2 года назад +222

    Poor guy trying to comply to her every beck and call just so the police don't get involved. Knowing how fast it could get worse even though he is innocent. How sad 😔

    • @sali1023
      @sali1023 2 года назад +6

      i feel very scared for colored people in america . the fact that you even have to be afraid from the police is very sad . god bless yall and stay safe

    • @ajenkmeister6982
      @ajenkmeister6982 2 года назад +3

      @@sali1023 respect the sympathy, but we aren't "colored", that's more of an offensive term from another era. Black or African American is much better

    • @armoneewilliams4960
      @armoneewilliams4960 2 года назад

      Oh this is Every day life for us 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @CrizzyEyes
      @CrizzyEyes 2 года назад

      Bruh, colored people aren't the only ones who should be scared of cops. I'm white as snow and I believe in avoiding police involvement in almost all situations. You don't want some guy with a gun who's playing telephone trying to figure out what's going on with a dispatcher possibly giving him false information to show up and try to analyze the scene for you if you can just settle the dispute like goddamned human beings.

    • @Gaydr0
      @Gaydr0 2 года назад +2

      @@ajenkmeister6982 colored is a term used for anyone who isnt white so its not just for african American people tho

  • @raqlew7021
    @raqlew7021 2 года назад +388

    Disgusting. Feel bad for guy. He handled it so wells can’t say I would do the same

    • @mrbojangles9841
      @mrbojangles9841 2 года назад +5

      He's probably a Republican. They're the nicest people.

    • @PatrickBergersen
      @PatrickBergersen 2 года назад +15

      @@mrbojangles9841 BHhahHhahaha sure buddy

    • @YnrTy18040
      @YnrTy18040 2 года назад +3

      @@PatrickBergersen he’s right

    • @Glitchmelon
      @Glitchmelon 2 года назад +25

      @@mrbojangles9841 what's up with American's relating everything to politics.

    • @Messup7654
      @Messup7654 2 года назад +1

      @@Glitchmelon we’re so divided by politicians that everybody just keeps it up going and going

  • @lukephillips5336
    @lukephillips5336 10 месяцев назад +2

    He shouldn’t have emptied his pockets. He should’ve just walked out like normal!

  • @kevinpaul180
    @kevinpaul180 5 месяцев назад +1

    People freak over losing their phones...that's her only mitigating defense!! 😮

  • @Arkryal
    @Arkryal 2 года назад +104

    Everyone keeps saying they feel bad for the Karen's hypothetical "Husband". I'm more worried she might have kids, for a multitude of reasons.

    • @christianboi2142
      @christianboi2142 2 года назад

      Bruh literally says “hypothetical husband” then hypothesises children lol

    • @Arkryal
      @Arkryal 2 года назад +5

      @@christianboi2142 Well, it was prefaced by the word "might", as in "So long as we're engaging in hypotheticals..." I thought that was implicit.

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 2 месяца назад

      Husband and kids, whoever

  • @ec-3po
    @ec-3po 2 года назад +134

    I’m sorry but I have to be 1000% sure before I go accusing someone

    • @21centuryg
      @21centuryg 2 года назад +8

      What a novel idea. If only everyone could be like that.

    • @amandachallis5649
      @amandachallis5649 2 года назад

      Exactly!

    • @Seeker7257
      @Seeker7257 2 года назад

      Anger is understandable, invading respect and civility isn't.

  • @richdude8150
    @richdude8150 Год назад +2

    she could have cost that man so much and she was like sorry

  • @bpxl53yewz29
    @bpxl53yewz29 Год назад +3

    She owed him a more sincere apology. Shame on her

  • @globalSentry
    @globalSentry 2 года назад +916

    Disgusting. She found the phone and kept accusing. The clerk is a national hero

    • @naharulhayat
      @naharulhayat 2 года назад +36

      Yes...BLACK LIVES MATTER

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад +16

      @@naharulhayat no

    • @dabbingboidabs4286
      @dabbingboidabs4286 2 года назад +26

      @@naharulhayat thats a terrorist organization

    • @freezinggold8406
      @freezinggold8406 2 года назад +64

      Well wrong, It’s literally on the video. When she found her phone then she apologized to him. She didn’t keep accusing him after finding the phone.

    • @pinkaesthetics665
      @pinkaesthetics665 2 года назад +6

      @@resilientultimate6869 yes

  • @luxaeterna9383
    @luxaeterna9383 2 года назад +230

    "Racism is not getting worse, it's getting filmed." - Will Smith

    • @resilientultimate6869
      @resilientultimate6869 2 года назад +2

      There needs to be more lol

    • @MrZrazies
      @MrZrazies 2 года назад +7

      True. It’s always been like this for many many years but nobody film it till now.

    • @Darkchild547
      @Darkchild547 2 года назад +1

      💯💯💯💯

    • @cristinaestrella
      @cristinaestrella 2 года назад +4

      @@resilientultimate6869 More what?? Dads? That’s true just like your dad when he left

    • @amandachallis5649
      @amandachallis5649 2 года назад +2

      Unfortunately there is a lot of truth to this comment and quote.
      To people who have nothing nice to say and put others down from behind their computer screen and just being nasty… Not much left to say. Misery is always wanting others to be miserable too! Instead of being kind and positive. It’s really not necessary (being mean) and being kind should not be so difficult.
      Wishing everyone well. Truly! One of the oldest sayings, “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all!”
      Note: I don’t understand how someone can accuse another person of stealing and failed to look through their own purse. 🤦🏻‍♀️🥺.
      To all: Stay Safe and Be Well!

  • @cecillec2331
    @cecillec2331 7 месяцев назад +1

    I am glad this is on RUclips for posterity. Everyone needs to see this and be more careful about accusing people of wrongdoing. How scary is it to be a black man standing next to a white woman? It's like driving while black.

  • @redlobster4841
    @redlobster4841 Год назад +1

    What a Dummy.... at least he apologized... it's actually more rare that they don't steal something.

  • @sladexx2923
    @sladexx2923 2 года назад +501

    This type of videos never gets old.

    • @Fit_soldier
      @Fit_soldier 2 года назад +5

      Just like Qui gon jinn

    • @InternalxHD
      @InternalxHD 2 года назад +1

      @@Fit_soldier yes Lord Darth maul

    • @chiarosuburekeni9325
      @chiarosuburekeni9325 2 года назад

      I'm trying to understand the psychology behind this phenomenon. What the hell is wrong with these white women? Is it because they're taken care of and bored? Like this isn't just a few isolated incidents. Just about every white woman acts like this on the Nextdoor app. Why they so goofy and weird?

    • @bellaapple2166
      @bellaapple2166 2 года назад +16

      I'm sure for black people it does get old.

    • @msshieka943
      @msshieka943 2 года назад +6

      Yeah, I’m over all these biased, most likely racist idiotic accusations

  • @missdamascusasmr
    @missdamascusasmr 2 года назад +311

    When he said he had to empty his pockets so she does not call the cops my heart shattered. I’m so sorry you had to go through that young man

    • @knexus5039
      @knexus5039 2 года назад +1

      In that kind of moment, I wish there was not fear , so that he can calmly wait for the cost to arrive and then they see his side of the story and then they see her side of the story and maybe she even finds her phone during that point and everyone realizes she just wasted the cops' time.

    • @professorchaos5058
      @professorchaos5058 2 года назад

      How could she call the cops if she thinks he had her phone I don't think the store clark would call them

    • @snap9342
      @snap9342 2 года назад

      @K M R True. Any reasonable human being in any country apart from America would just simply show their pockets and even try to help her find the phone. This literally happens all the time and its completely normal to freak out. The current state of american politics is literally ruining your country IMO.

    • @hastaar2161
      @hastaar2161 Год назад

      @@snap9342 and racism isn't. ur ignorant bud

    • @harrydavey9884
      @harrydavey9884 Год назад

      He looks about 45 😂

  • @user-sh2hi8mo5b
    @user-sh2hi8mo5b 2 месяца назад +2

    She would've blamed the black man even if there were no black man in there.

  • @kaye3543
    @kaye3543 4 месяца назад +3

    When will these people be fined?

  • @davionelliot
    @davionelliot 2 года назад +43

    She knew her phone was in her purse the whole time, she just didn’t want to look like a fool well it’s too late for that.

  • @danielg2177
    @danielg2177 2 года назад +452

    This actually happened to me at college once where I was accused of stealing a phone by a random student in a locker because I was the only back student in there . I didn't make a big deal out of it during that time but looking back I should have knocked his ass out.

    • @desroseegold
      @desroseegold 2 года назад +13

      🤣🤣

    • @blahhcookiiee
      @blahhcookiiee 2 года назад +23

      Smh im sorry you went through that

    • @johj2126
      @johj2126 2 года назад +4

      Hail Mary come with me

    • @brandonallen3289
      @brandonallen3289 2 года назад +20

      Unfortunately you would be the one going to jail. Which is not right either.

    • @BlazeEst
      @BlazeEst 2 года назад +10

      What’s his name let’s go get him 😂🤣

  • @bravado6437
    @bravado6437 2 года назад +2

    I just laughed out loud in stop filming me song cause alot of Carens don't wanna be filmed 😂.

  • @user-lm4ym1eg9e
    @user-lm4ym1eg9e Год назад +1

    "I knew this was about to get stupid really fast" 😂

  • @NathanCabs
    @NathanCabs 2 года назад +146

    He should not have emptied his pockets that quickly. The burden of truth is within the accuser.

    • @squiggleworks9
      @squiggleworks9 2 года назад +16

      Yes, unless you’re black in America

    • @estherellis6032
      @estherellis6032 2 года назад +13

      I assumed he did what he did, knowing he was innocent, in order 2 defuse the situation, by emptying his pockets...better human being than I!!!

    • @Death_the_Kid
      @Death_the_Kid 2 года назад +10

      @@estherellis6032 Right. Even though he had no obligation to, it still shows a lot of character on his end to have done so.

    • @ayokunleonayemi5323
      @ayokunleonayemi5323 2 года назад +9

      Emptying his pocket as a black man being accused of stealing is the most effective self-preservation technique in that situation in America. Imagine someone else had truly stolen and taken the phone away-emptying the pocket would still have calmed the accuser down. Otherwise, the situation would continue to escalate between the accused and his accuser, and someone could have called a cop. Unfortunately, a trigger-hungry racist cop might be the first responder, and that young innocent man could have been singing ‘HALLELUYAH’ in heaven by now.

    • @allaw310
      @allaw310 2 года назад

      burden of proof*
      And yes I agree. :)

  • @Sannket84
    @Sannket84 2 года назад +83

    He handled the situation with such grace. What a decent man, I wish him well..

    • @MrEAW56
      @MrEAW56 Год назад

      Honestly it's getting to the point where it shouldn't be handled with grace anymore because it's getting ridiculous

  • @petergriffiinbirdistheword
    @petergriffiinbirdistheword Год назад +2

    Two people there and she immediately blames the black one and then justifies her racism with the "oh I just freaked out" excuse. Yeah, sure ya did.

  • @blowingooos
    @blowingooos Год назад +1

    At least she apologized, they usually dont

  • @wumbowoody436
    @wumbowoody436 2 года назад +63

    I give this guy props for just laughing in her face after the whole ordeal, thats honestly the best thing you can do. Not a single person likes being laughed at.

  • @dontbestupid6664
    @dontbestupid6664 2 года назад +196

    She knew she had the phone in her purse and was trying to disable the ringer once she realized she messed up.

    • @rogerpriestwell6379
      @rogerpriestwell6379 2 года назад +20

      If this is true, then that's really bad.

    • @Vito_993
      @Vito_993 2 года назад +19

      Yes she saw it

    • @hughjaanus6680
      @hughjaanus6680 2 года назад +1

      in her purpose?

    • @OcnarfPro
      @OcnarfPro 2 года назад

      She wasnt trying to disable the ringer because nobody was going to call her cuz she didnt give her phone number

    • @virg0_lem0nade
      @virg0_lem0nade 2 года назад +7

      @@OcnarfPro nah she did. at the end of the clip, one of them is calling her.

  • @Rossyanilaccesorios
    @Rossyanilaccesorios Год назад +1

    I would sue her if that happened to me. That type of human garbage ( Karens) can't get away with just an apology 😒 🙄

  • @SinisterScoundrel6562
    @SinisterScoundrel6562 Месяц назад +2

    "So sorry I just freaked out" = "I'm revealing my internal racist".

  • @MH_297
    @MH_297 2 года назад +110

    Another one? Wasn’t there one that literally tackled a teen falsely accusing him for stealing her phone at a hotel lobby last year?

    • @fringeminority3224
      @fringeminority3224 2 года назад +12

      Yeah I thought it was the same video

    • @mariopalos9238
      @mariopalos9238 2 года назад +4

      Wow, that makes two!

    • @shaffy856
      @shaffy856 2 года назад +16

      It's a daily occurrence, just doesn't go viral

    • @krnpowr
      @krnpowr 2 года назад +7

      In that incident in NYC, the Karen got a security guard to apprehend the "suspect" for her. It's a sick society we live in.

    • @user-dh2iz7ew7t
      @user-dh2iz7ew7t 2 года назад +7

      Miya ponsetto

  • @ashok9669
    @ashok9669 2 года назад +263

    Good luck to the future historians trying to understand this KAREN culture.

    • @quinncoleman1158
      @quinncoleman1158 2 года назад +5

      Right when I have kids I'll be telling them about this whole culture and they will be like "Whaaaaaa" like the minon in Despicable Me

    • @Seeker7257
      @Seeker7257 2 года назад +3

      Next generations - what was it like for you guys back in the days!?
      us - Well, It's complicated.

    • @bless8861
      @bless8861 2 года назад +5

      It’s not Karen culture..it’s white people doing white people things

    • @seanespey2887
      @seanespey2887 2 года назад +1

      @@bless8861 I’m white yet I don’t do those things 🤨

    • @mith2946
      @mith2946 Год назад

      What... It's been around for thousands of years, it's not too complicated to understand. Tribalism

  • @AuntieKnowsKitchen
    @AuntieKnowsKitchen 8 месяцев назад

    Hope she had a job to get fired from

  • @datpsychobytch
    @datpsychobytch Год назад

    The fact that after she noticed it was in her bag she wasn’t going to say anything

  • @daenerysstormbornofhouseta9185
    @daenerysstormbornofhouseta9185 2 года назад +161

    It’s dangerous accusations like that that get people injured or killed that woman needs to be charged with something.

    • @kaylee3867
      @kaylee3867 2 года назад +3

      True

    • @Dontatmebr0
      @Dontatmebr0 2 года назад

      waaaaahhhhhhhh

    • @OcnarfPro
      @OcnarfPro 2 года назад +3

      She should be put in prison for 8 years

    • @superstick1336
      @superstick1336 2 года назад

      @ช่องน้องจิมมี่
      Did u get the response u wanted sweetie 😳

  • @sweetcaramel4750
    @sweetcaramel4750 2 года назад +50

    What a disgusting excuse for a woman how sick if someone loses a item like a wallet or cellphone it isn't right to start blaming other people automatically saying someone stole their personal belonging She is toxic

  • @asphaltandtacos
    @asphaltandtacos Год назад +1

    She got owned and cried crocodile tears. That woman needs help.

  • @Yuno.Topic101
    @Yuno.Topic101 7 месяцев назад

    At least she was genuinely sorry

  • @bigroy8810
    @bigroy8810 2 года назад +11

    If this man hadn't emptied his pockets and walked out,he would've gotten shot dead outside by cops.then asked questions.

  • @heybro6105
    @heybro6105 2 года назад +20

    She fits the description of someone who would do this with NO proof.

  • @plantbased5673
    @plantbased5673 2 месяца назад +1

    This video will remain on RUclips for many years. That's a good thing.

    • @pep590
      @pep590 2 месяца назад

      Yes, we get to see also how Anti-White Racist Inside Edition is invoking race into a non-racist act. Ton of white people have been falsely accused in situations.

  • @James-vl2hh
    @James-vl2hh Год назад +1

    A true Karen will never apologize, she will make you apologize instead.

  • @coffeekay7016
    @coffeekay7016 2 года назад +38

    To accuse someone immediately without looking for it etc is just stupid.

  • @OsirisT
    @OsirisT 2 года назад +37

    Imagine a person having so much power over you because of their color? The guy knows what happens when cops get involved and that's just sad.

  • @Spinokid0
    @Spinokid0 2 года назад +5

    I don’t think I would’ve accepted her Apology fully either I mean yelling at me for like five whole minutes about stealing her phone making me empty my pockets and about to have someone call the cops just because her phone was in her purse the whole time I don’t think I would forgive her either

  • @BenKuipers
    @BenKuipers 3 дня назад

    I hope, social media will punish her...

  • @moira4784
    @moira4784 2 года назад +16

    The audacity to not even throughly check her own bag first. 🥴

  • @kimlibrisk9968
    @kimlibrisk9968 2 года назад +57

    I just feel so bad for black men in this country especially the innocent ones who does nothing but help people and get accused for nothing

    • @elsikpych
      @elsikpych 2 года назад

      If u support bernie sanders u don't mean that

    • @NoOne-py5or
      @NoOne-py5or Год назад +1

      @@elsikpych what?

  • @Edward_Nebiolo
    @Edward_Nebiolo 10 месяцев назад +1

    A chorus of Karens😂😂
    That was just too funny I was rotfl

  • @kolawoleokanlawon3471
    @kolawoleokanlawon3471 Год назад +1

    She should have been sued..

  • @johnnythao
    @johnnythao 2 года назад +512

    On the plus side, she actually apologized, but honestly she should've emptied out her purse before she was quick to accusing people. Kinley's girlfriend was quick to take out her camera and film the commotion, because like she said "It was gonna get STUPID fast".

    • @heyheyyouyouidontlike
      @heyheyyouyouidontlike 2 года назад +67

      She knew it was in her purse mid way through. She wasn't looking, just shuffling items back and forth. She apologized to save face, not that she actually cared.

    • @OcnarfPro
      @OcnarfPro 2 года назад +17

      @@heyheyyouyouidontlike literally no one apologizes for any other reason than to save face

    • @heyheyyouyouidontlike
      @heyheyyouyouidontlike 2 года назад +24

      @@OcnarfPro I beg to differ, but this is just a bad example.

    • @JesseDanLee
      @JesseDanLee 2 года назад +24

      She’s not sorry. She got caught red-handed 😂

    • @shayslay3416
      @shayslay3416 2 года назад +33

      She apologized because she was embarrassed not because she felt bad. If she thought he had her phone she should've asked the couple "hey I think I misplaced my phone, do you mind calling it?" Bet they would've said yes and even though she profiled him at least she would've saved that man the embarrassment when she was proven wrong. I wonder what her reaction would've been if she wasn't on camera.

  • @strangerrrrrrr
    @strangerrrrrrr 2 года назад +195

    literally so embarrassing i hope she gets recognized everywhere

    • @PANZERFAUST90
      @PANZERFAUST90 2 года назад

      @ช่องน้องจิมมี่ He's a Leftist. Of course he's bloodthirsty.

    • @strangerrrrrrr
      @strangerrrrrrr 2 года назад +4

      @ช่องน้องจิมมี่ idc😝!

    • @Lovely_1One
      @Lovely_1One 2 года назад +3

      Stranger, I agree with you!

    • @2012petvet
      @2012petvet Год назад

      Not Embarrassing So Much As Sick. She Deserves To Get Any Hate That Comes Her Way.

    • @RachelOfArcadia
      @RachelOfArcadia Год назад

      @@2012petvet not really but you do you SJW lol

  • @powerkill1014
    @powerkill1014 Год назад +4

    She is right, he stole a phone. I witnessed 👴🏻

  • @alva--._..l-._.-l.._.--
    @alva--._..l-._.-l.._.-- Год назад +2

    Why people just accuse others without any proof?! I mean... it just makes them look stupid and a bigot! This is ridiculous and should never have happened!