Why liberal Catholicism is dying...
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Today Joe looks at the phenomenon of newer priests being more conservative and theologically orthodox, and progressive Catholicism's failure to replicate itself...
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There was an AP article last year that talked about this shift, albeit with a slightly less... enthusiastic view of the matter. A parish featured in the article got a new, younger priest and suddenly the homilies were about confession and sin. You know, normal Catholic stuff. But apparently it shocked the parishioners and made them uncomfortable. Which, you know, is kind of the point.
I remember that. That was definitely a weird experience cause it was presenting conservative, orthodox young priesthood as a negative even though (if I remember correctly) it also talked about this was a draw for other younger aged Catholics.
I had a guy leave a local parish that got in a new Pastor...guy told me, this guy preached about Abortion, can you believe it!!
A newer, younger, priest, that will last about 18 months. We had one of those in the parish about 40 years ago, very, good looking. The parishioners took bets on how long he would last. I think it was something like 14 months before he left the priesthood and taking a female parishioner with him.
@@ji8044because there have never been newer younger priests? So its always been that the preisthood is only older aging preists?
@@minorityvoice9253 "So its always been that the preisthood is only older aging preists?"
No, it is NOW at this time that the priesthood is composed of aged straight priests, younger gay priests, and mixed sexuality foreign born priests. That is the current state of the American priesthood.
Forty years ago, the Pope could have turned the church around by allowing a married priesthood, but he didn't and it's too late for that.
"The true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators, but traditionalists." -Pope St. Pius X.
A conservative post VCII novus ordite is still a post Vatican II novus orite.
@@littlerock5256 so? Are you one of those guys that would tell someone to avoid the NO?
@@DdEe-e1v Pre and post Vatican II are different beasts.
@@littlerock5256 true tradition means submitting to one's bishops.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 To a Catholic bishop, yes.
"Do not be ashamed to be a Christian. Do not be ashamed of the gospel; rather, be ashamed of sin. Be ashamed of greed, of avarice, of selfishness, of pride."
- St. John Chrysostom (c. 349-407)
Don't just quote some of John, quote all of him. In his 8 homilies, collected under the title
"Adversus Judaeos" he wrote the most vile and hate-filled commentary against Jews until Martin Luther topped him just a little. Any of those homilies by John Chrysostom could have been delivered by Hitler without changing a word. If I quoted from them here, I would get banned for the language.
Chrysostom is great, read his sermons against the jews.
@@TheLlamaHaze
Jesus was also great, read his sermons:
"The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these."
Mark 12:31
@@TheLlamaHaze
You really need help.
@@TheLlamaHaze He warned about 'returning to the vomit of Judaism'.
I just became Catholic. I would go to my head priest for confession because I thought he was more experienced in his spiritual guidance. I didn't feel forgiven or helped much as he would try to downplay my sin. I tried my younger priest, who was younger than me. I felt so much weight lifted off my shoulders after confessing to him.
Thank you so much for sharing, man. I want you to know that I really resonate with this and I definitely go to a specific priest for the spiritual guidance he gives.
But I also want you to know that, as long as you confessed all of your sins to the best of your ability and had true contrition, your sins were forgiven all the other times too ❤
Seriously man, thank you for sharing. It’s not easy to talk about so I really appreciate your perspective
I pray our Priests are coming back to our church teachings....
Yep.
Both priests when absolving a penitent sinner are acting in Persona Christi, and through their action of absolving you, Christ Jesus forgives your sins. However, it is true that having a priest who directs you to not sin and helps to find a cure for the sickness of the soul that causes us to sin, rather than minimalizes sin is a special grace.
I went to confession a few years ago. I was the only person in the church aside from the priest, who I knew to be quite liberal, (I had heard him preach on how much better theologians, and in touch with the people Karl Rahner and Hans Kung were than (St.) Thomas Aquinas.) Confessions in that parish were allotted 15 minutes total on two Saturdays a month at 3PM. He seemed miffed that he had to put down his People Magazine, and more alarmed when I knelt. Several times he told me, "That's not a sin anymore." I after the fourth of fifth time said, Yes Father it is a sin and I am embarrassed and sorry I have to confess it. He said, who are you to tell me what is and is not a sin. I replied, had you been attentive, when I knelt to confess my sins, I said, Bless me Father, I am a priest. Something I had learned in the seminary so that the confessor knew the standard of holiness that I should stive for. He asked me, what penance I should be given since I'm a priest. I told him, I'm a sinner, humbly trying to correct myself on the path to heaven, you are the confessor and it is your duty to guide my soul on that path. He seemed perplexed. So to this day, I pray for him and all my bother priests, and ask that all here do the same.
I’m a baby boomer who has watched all of the trends and the effects of a swinging pendulum, but always holding fast to the more conservative viewpoints in the Church, and all of the other aspects culture. I felt like I was being thrown out when I didn’t like how the reverence was lost, how the art was ugly, the music was ugly and the architecture had adopted such a modern look that it seemed to be trash. Everything changed so fast in the late sixties. Nothing was sacred anymore. Mostly, it seemed to me that things were sinful were also being lightened up and divorce was ok, abortion was ok, premarital sex was ok, people saying that married priests would have avoided the big scandal. Women priests thankfully haven’t become a reality. All of the changes have taken about fifty, plus or minus, years which is about the right amount of time for cultural trends to come and go.
I’m happy to see young people wanting to bring back some of the 1950’s family values. That is the only thing that will save our country and our Church. It’s not just nostalgia, it’s a sense of what is right, beautiful and true. There is orderliness and discipline coming back, which to me is filling a need for peace.
I think 30-40 years ago, being a priest was something that was considered socially acceptable so a lot of unorthodox men got into it because it was “trendy” whereas today, after the spotlight scandal, someone entering the priesthood knows they will be mocked and called a pedophile. Only someone who is very orthodox would be willing to endure that mockery for the faith.
Christ is cleaning His temple once more
I love this comment.
couldn't have put it better myself!
The Church is always reforming. That is our Tradition. That is why we need always to practice charity towards our fellow-Catholics.
@@susand3668well said
You don't seem to understand that the Temple of Jesus was Jewish.
LOL
I live in Saskatoon, Canada (Population 280,000). We have two Catholic Cathedrals and 93 parishes in our diocese. Our amazing Bishop has done so much to bring back tradition like Communion rails, putting the Tabernacle back into the middle of the church behind the Altar, some priests at the Novus Ordo deliver mass Ad Orientem, and a lot of money has gone to renovating older churches back to their original and traditional beauty.
BTW, Saying Mass towards the wall is not the original Tradition, in spite of what some people tell you. It was originally facing the people. Remember the Mass is the eternal Last Supper made present for us. Did Jesus turn his back to the Apostles - obviously not. If you like an innovation like praying to wall, that is fine but please don't try to impose these later practices on us who love the return to the ancient Traditions that the beautiful Novus Ordo reforms brought back. Also, the reservation of the Eucharist is wonderful thing for the sick and dying, but again, having the tabernacle right in the center of the Church is recent in our history and can distract from the Heavenly Banquet. I personally have seen it. I talked to one guy who says that during the mass he focuses on the Tabernacle. The Center of the Church is the Altar. A separate Chapel for the reservation of the Eucharist makes a lot of sense Traditionally. May God Bless you.
@@tomredd9025
The related actions taken after Vatican II had the effect of diminishing belief in the true presence in the Eucharist. Forget what might have been in the long past. When you upset the apple cart while never preparing the people for the reason you get confusion.
So what's the result of moving Jesus away from the center of the altar? Of removing altar rails? Of allowing the un-ordained to touch the Eucharist? Of ignoring ad orientum? Of removing "smells and bells"? Of diminishing Benediction and the Rosary? You get a Eucharist congress trying to reteach that Jesus is really important and central in his real presence. Too bad for the hundreds of millions you left by the wayside during this mess.
@@tomredd9025the center of the church is the true presence of Jesus Christ residing in the tabernacle. Period.
We've been experiencing the same here in Niagara, Ontario. I thank God every day for our awesome Bishop and fervent, faithful priests. Happy to hear we aren't the only diocese growing in orthodoxy & orthopraxy. Prayers being answered, glory to God! The Holy Spirit cookin' 🙌
@@tomredd9025The priest is not saying mass with his “back to the people”. We are all facing East, in anticipation of Christ’s return. Our new priest brought the Tabernacle back to the Sanctuary and we are required to be quiet. And I mean the Sanctuary, as the area with the altar, not the Protestant sanctuary, which is actually the Nave.
How old are you? Did you live through Vatican II?
One recent older effeminate pastor at my local parish told me he didn’t believe in purgatory. He couldn’t accept the possibility of suffering beyond this life. I’m glad we are moving past such foolishness
Awesome name.
Not believing in purgatory goes against the teachings of the Apostles. The irony
Well, he's just wrong. But, I don't see what being effeminate has to do with his objection to purgatory. Why would you even throw that in?
Foolishness indeed
Because men have a moral obligation to develop masculine virtues, and were created male by God deliberately. To be effiminate, then, would mean failing to lean into one's calling as a man. There's a strong correlation between men being effeminate and taking liberal, heterodox positions on Church teaching.
The liberal impulse also motivates people to look for exceptions to every standard. For example, "Not all effeminate men are liberal/heterodox. Some men have more effeminate voices or builds and are perfectly faithful to the Church". Sure, technically true, but also a bit of a strawman. Being effeminate can't be reduced to one or two traits. You know it when you encounter it. I actively try to fight it within myself. @kdmdlo
@@bradyhayes7911 Meaning no disrespect, how much did conversion therapy cost you?
How dare youtube hide this video from me for .2 seconds
That was your penance. Now pray for forgiveness or it'll be 5 seconds next time.
@@jtec99 I had to wait an hour... 😳😳😬
Am I on the road to hellfire??
Real
😂😂😂
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I'm one of those catholics young men who want tradition.
We got enough modernity and tolerance everywhere else.
Tolerance can be a good thing or a bad thing. Tolerance of sin is obviously bad. But being tolerant of people genuinely struggling with their faith, or being tolerant of people who look and sound different from us ... is actually what we're called to be. Jesus tolerated all of St. Peter's knucklehead moves. And that turned out pretty well. Some pople say tolerance like it's a bad word, when it need not be.
As a young Protestant to Catholic convert, I couldn’t be more passionate about tradition. The arguments around the “tradition” of Christianity being Catholic where just as foundational as the theological topics (sola fida, for example). I go to church to connect with the body of Christ, with the members both living and dead. I don’t want for it to change, it should be as eternal as God. I submit to the church, but I pray it ‘progresses’ no further
@ But progress isn't necessarily a bad thing. People in the 1200's probably saw Aquinas' ideas as "progressive". It was progress in our understanding of God. That's a good thing. And it's progress that we have a heightened sense of duty toward the homeless, the poor, the imprisoned, the abused. That heightened sense of duty is a good thing.
@kdmdlo The word: Tolerance is ruined. There is no shared common definition. When one uses the words its is a given ones thoughts will not be communicated. If you want to be miss understood, use common words that do not have common definitions.
People will understand what is being said, yet not what you sought to communication: both understanding, both not grasping the others thoughts.
@kdmdlo You should understand the sarcasm.
I met a Catholic chaplain while I was at ILE, and he was only slightly older than I was (around 34 at the time). He was very conservative and traditional. He had clashed with his bishop over doing communion toward the altar and wanted to learn more about the Latin Mass. He was also devout in the no meat fast on Fridays and inspired me to take that up. He was my battle buddy during the school, and I thank God for sending him, really helped me start the road back to Catholicism by meeting a Priest that truly believed.
He really showed me the depths of what it meant to be Catholic. It wasn't just a club that met on Sundays, it was a religion with Traditions and demanded something from me. There is something good about seeing a priest uphold the Traditions and orthodoxy. Hard to put my finger on, but it is there.
Well said. God bless you.
No meat Fridays ! A practice I’m glad I picked up, ironically I always want a burger on Fridays, makes that Saturday burger more special
It asks something of me. The premise that validates.
although I’m Orthodoxy, I’m blessed that fasting is so prevalent, and all of my priests are traditional and conservative and have always felt like they are upholding a high standard. I’m glad you found your way, sir
*Roman Catholicism is a false religion that teaches “submit to Roman popes to be saved”. That can’t be right. My Bible does not say so. Wonder where RCs get all their nsdoctrines? 😅*
As a Canadian, can confirm that I've seen this shift among young Catholics here as well.
As I was listening to the podcast, I have been aware of this phenomenon for quite some time -- saw the beginnings of it with priests ordained in the late 90s, but I have often questioned how much the same thing holds true outside of the US (or in your example, Canada). I look at Germany, Belgium, even Italy, and wonder if the same holds true, there.
Same here. Glory to God cause we need it badly. Blessings from southern Ontario
Which province are u from? I haven’t seen this in Ontario specifically in the GTA. It’s really unfortunate and tragic the residentials issue happened and it’s still being thrown at the catholic church-I thought that’s why catholicism is that popular in Canada.
Confessional Lutheran here,
My girlfriend is Roman Catholic, and I wanted to thank you for your videos--they have been very helpful for understanding her tradition and ways we are united. May God bless you and sustain your ministry, and pray for us. :)
Great video!
Will pray for you to come home! 🙏 godbless
@@empackmanmueller1725 Yeah I hear that a lot. ;)
Rest assured that we are united in Christ, and that common ground has been great for dialogue! Thank you for your prayers, and may God bless you and keep you faithful in your confession, and charity!
@@aaroncarlson3686 you should listen to your girlfriend, she is a grace to you, pointing you towards the true church whom without it, there can never be salvation.
@@aaroncarlson3686 come home my friend.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 I listen to her, and she is a delight! She is a blessing for sure. She was a convert from a Protestant background without any sacramental teaching of any kind... Keeping it brief, God used that and drew her to Himself. One of the things we love sharing is our appreciation for Christ's real physical presence--even though we characterize it a bit differently. We both go to church together. I receive a blessing when she takes communion, and she kneels with me, and receives a blessing, at the alter rail when I take communion. We kinda see it like we are learning how to be united as we discern marriage; if that happens, we would get to spend our married life putting a small piece of the church back together. That is how we see it and God's gifts help us do that--even when we disagree. Pray for us, and God bless you.
As a former seminarian, the young men I studied with who are now being ordained fill me with great hope for the Church. They are not afraid to hold to what the Church teaches faithfully and correct the issues left us by their predecessors.
Can't say that I'm shedding any tears here
Maybe tears of joy!
As somebody converting I literally couldint be happier pls pray for me
I am 50 and many in my parents generation who are now in their 70s and 80s are liberal and nominal Catholics. I see much more reverence and orthodox Catholicism in the younger generation coming up. I attend daily Mass and my Dad asked why I would go to Mass on any day other than Sunday. He attended Catholic School through college. Many of that generation accepted the culture more than being true to Gods church 🙏🙏I am hopeful for the future 🙏🙏
I've seen this in my parish and in my Archdiocese. We have an older boomer parish priest who is more liberal, and a young conservative trad parochial vicar right out of seminary, and at some point the older parish priest said that he would start having to do Latin Masses, and "dust off those old Latin rubric books" to accommodate the change and be more ecumenical to the growing traditionalists. And guess who taught him how to do the Latin Mass? The young trad parochial vicar. Absolutely astounding.
I joined the church as an adult in 1973 and have lived through the entire sea change from liberal to conservative while remaining orthodox and conservative myself. I am amazed at the different reaction I get from younger priests now versus what I got in the 70s and especially the 80s. I was cursed at by a priest in the 80s when I challenged him about the developing fad that wanted to call God "Mother" as well as "Father". Yet I was told this week that having challenged a person with a liberal position was "righteous anger" by a younger priest. In one lifetime I have gone from hearing "I don't know if you can really be Catholic" to "Of course, that's a great position for a Catholic" --- ABOUT THE EXACT SAME ISSUES.
My 2cents worth of analysis about the rise of liberal priests in the 60's is that it had to do with the clerical exemption for the draft. I knew a lot of my contemporaries who decided to go into the ministry just to get out of going to Vietnam, and they didn't change their political positions when they were ordained. Now the men going into seminary only go there because the really believe, really want to serve God -- and they finally have faculty that want to encourage them in that.
Thanks for the work you do, Joe! I look forward to your videos every week.
The Church being taken by cowards and traitors explains so much.
Thank you for being one of the good boomers .... when I criticise boomers it doesn't include you, not at all... you're great, thanks for keeping true and strong despite the insanity of that generation.
@ecclesiaxxi6210 Boomer has slowly transitioned from being the term for a generation, to being the term of a mindset.
@ True, it's been that way for years now, but that doesn't change that most boomers fit the stereotype and are awful (destroyed a lot), there is a reason it's called boomer.
@ So true
6:22 mark. "Catholic Progressivism is Dying". Now that sparks joy.
*Roman Catholicism is a false religion that teaches “submit to Roman popes to be saved”. That can’t be right. My Bible does not say so. Wonder where RCs get all their nsdoctrines? 😅*
It always made me wonder why a man would enter the priesthood if he didn’t believe wholeheartedly in *all* Church teachings-unless he has nefarious motives….🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Remember Bella Dodd.
@ Yup. That’s what I was alluding to.
@@b.r.holmes6365who’s Bella Dodd?
I'm a reverted GenX cradle Catholic and I have learned more about my faith in the last three years than 11 years in Catholic school (although that is at least half my own fault). I am really encouraged by this shift.
Millennial here. Same story
These are pure facts; I myself became Catholic in 2017 via RCIA and live in what you would consider to be a very "progressive" area. For my first few years I had a very difficult time finding my place within the body of Christ. I felt my growing appreciation for Christ and his Liturgy being downplayed by the behaviours and attitudes that surrounded me. The irreverent and lukewarm celebration of the Mass, the casual, cold and unfriendly attitude of many older diocesan priests, I always felt like a nuisance. Then in 2023 I found a lovely Byzantine Rite Greek Slovak Catholic Church and have never looked back. Our community formed an Apostolate and we celebrate a lovely Divine Liturgy each Sunday, with a very, warm, loving and Orthodox priest, a man really in touch with God. I myself am a Reader and plan to become a Deacon.
Fantastic!
You felt like you were a nuisance because you probably were.
@@Radio_entelechy I'm not quite sure what that's supposed to mean to be quite honest with you.
What is wrong with you
@@apollon456 ?
Thank the Lord, the Holy Spirit looks after our church
Please pray for my VERY liberal friend, Scott. He needs help to come back to the Catholic church.
🙏
@@diegolynch8067I'll pray for him
One of my parishes I attend has begun doing more reverent NO liturgies and I absolutely love it. Chanting certain ordinary prayers in Latin and more sacred music performed and the priest sings most of the mass. The Feast of the Presentation was soooo beautiful I love being able to worship the Lord with a reverent congregation and liturgy
It’s funny how implementing Vatican II this happens!
@@nomassgoer8350 What, more Latin?
The first time I attended a "Reverent Novus Ordo" my wife and I were surprised that not all masses were done this way. A few simple changes such as alter rails, the Priest facing the alter and the choir behind the people to not distract made a huge difference is understanding the real presence of the eucharist. The real presence is implied just by the reverence taken with the alter rails and ad orientem.
I don't understand how the new practice of praying to the wall and having a barrier between the people and the Lord's Table add to a more reverent Mass. The return to the ancient traditions that the Novus ordo reforms have brought back the Mass have helped return it to its original sacredness. God Bless.
@@tomredd9025 Thank God you weren't put in charge of this spiritual revival. I have had enough clown masses for one life time.
@tomredd9025 its not a barrier it's a place to kneel before the alter and open your mouth to receive the eucharist directly on your tongue. The Priest isnt praying to the wall he's facing the tabernacle which faces east. Both of these things make sense to practice when considering the eucharist/ tabernacle contains the real presence of Jesus. It doesnt make sense for the Priest to have his back turned on the tabernacle and assume the center of attention.
@@CatholicSpartan👏👏👏👏
@@tomredd9025The priest is NOT facing a wall. He is facing the tabernacle. Which is the throne of Christ, containing His very body. His very flesh and blood. The priest faces Christ, praying to Him on our behalf. Our representative.
The altar rails remind us of the gates of Heaven. Since everything that’s happening by the altar is a glimpse of Heaven. Every Mass is a reflection of Heaven, with all of the “Holy Holy Holys” and “Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world have mercy on us” being taken right out of John’s vision in Revelation of Heaven.
Every time I see an altar rail I am almost immediately reminded of that reality; the reality of Mass being Heaven on Earth. With the rail being a Heavenly gate.
Currently discerning for the priesthood…pray for me 🫡✝️☦️
Updates:
Thanks for the prayers it’s much appreciated! I have my next meeting soon, would love to keep everyone updated 😁🙏
Praying for you . Trust God
God bless you Anthony. Find an SSPX seminary- the truth.
I'll pray for you brother
Just did.
@ 🥹🙏 thank you
30 years ago, I would have had to make no small effort if I wanted to read up on The Reformation, or learn the lives of the saints, or study papal encyclicals, or get my grubby hands on a book by J. P. II. Nowadays, I can listen to Catholic radio, search the internet, and order books online that appear on my doorstep two days later. I think we have good slate of seminarians and young priests in my diocese. I think many of these come from families that did their own homework (aided by electronic technology) and did not have to rely so heavily Catholicism filtered through clergy, religious, Catholic schools.
It is a great time to be a Catholic. If I here some Protestant going off about the Great Apostacy at the Council of Nicea, I can pull off to the side of the road and use my phone to read the writings of the people who were there. I couldn't have done that 30 years ago. A priest formed 50 years ago could not have easily learned some of the things lay people can research today.
Information technology serves as a check and balance if church leaders stray from orthodoxy. It can help everybody.
The problem with the ease of information gathering today is the the lack of academic dishonesty. Anyone can write whatever they want without accountability. In the past, publishers were a kind of safeguard that prevented some authors distortions from being printed. Anyone can self publish today. Anyone can create a website.
There is truth out there but it's hidden in a mountain of lies.
That's why we must "look for the union label" - imprimatur. OK; that was lame. I find a little bit of philosophy can be enough to winnow the wheat ftom the chaff. If someone is uncharitable, it is automatically suspect. Set it aside in favor of someone more charitable. If someone is openly heterodox on one point of doctrine, they are most likely heterodox on others - heresies travel in packs - look elsewhere. I didn't come up with these rules on my own.
@@classicalteacher Problem was the safeguards where the criminals. When I was young the Church appointed teachers taught the bones of Jesus are still in the cave.
I find it interesting the stats about newer priests are less likely to support married priest and have no problem with celibacy. I totally understand why that is happening but it’s interesting because to non-Catholics that’s so counter to everything they know and they have such a hard time wrapping their brain around it and they think reversing those disciplines would make the church better. Yet, as we see, new priests are saying and affirming the complete opposite.
Young men aren’t as sexually active as their parents at large. I’m not surprised.
There can be nothing more "revolutionary" today than being celibate for the sake of God. If the priests do not have one good homily in their lives, I will still admire and respect them above any "preacher" out there.
@@mortensimonsen1645 I know of a married priest who didn’t keep his wedding
Vows or the celibacy promise. He’s not even Catholic now, because y’ know, some things are just too difficult to do, so why try?
That may be an issue because the Eastern churches and Anglican ordinate allow for the ordination of married men.
@@jonathanhosh4459 not to the ranks of bishop though at least in the east. The Latin's stand strong in celibacy and follow their tradition established for near 1000 years. It is not an issue the men who have vocations are not meant to marry it is a simple as that only those who search for a problem can make one. Celibacy is orthodox in the west and is an amazing vocation.
This is very encouraging news
God bless our priests.
The holier the priest, the holier the congregation.
Pray for them.
Edit: Also, I think we are seeing a rise in political conservativism and theological orthodoxy in general. Joe, any chance you’ll discuss how even Protestants are converting to Catholicism en masse?
Absolutely! Say more rosaries for the conversion and holiness of priests and all people!
I think it's important to point out that political shifts on abortion since 1960 have been pretty major, and have caused a lot of shifts in the political map.
In particular, the shift from the rhetoric in the 90's "safe, legal, and rare," to the rhetoric in the late 20's "abortion is between a woman and her doctor," is stark. In the 90's the agreement was that abortion was bad but important, which makes the issue less important, even though abortion was not being used rarely. Now, the argument is that abortion is like any other procedure, which is a level of normalization that is hard to ignore.
This was rather pointedly investigated in the show Bojack Horseman. An older liberal woman was aghast at a pop star making irreverent (I'd say vulgar) songs about getting abortions. Then she met a young woman who explained that the song made abortion seem less scary and normal, so it's an important song that empowers women. The show tentatively agrees with this perspective, and it chilled me to my core.
I imagine that pro choice people in the 90's could more easily ignore the church's position on abortion than those today, because the pro choice position has moved so far.
I would agree with you entirely, but I think there’s a greater number of people now that believe that abortion is wrong in all circumstances. After Dobbs, I saw much more arguments like that, than there should be some exceptions
I feel bad the latter 20th century was, in hindsight, a pretty dark period for the Church. Then again, this was the era of John Paul II and evangelization of Africa. Wasn’t all bad. And with the passing of that generation, purification is happening.
A new revival is now at its wave and exciting times are to come!
I love this discussion. Thank you. I used to be anti-Catholic. I was pro-abortion, pro socialist, anti-God etc. Then in 2013 my life turned upside down and the Lord revealed himself to me. Because of this change, in 2016 I left my then-married life and became single (something I was afraid of). I started to follow Pope Francis (whom previously I thought was evil) because I liked his progressivism. I still did not want to be Catholic, but again, Jesus was showing up and I agreed to attend Mass at a Jesuit parish by my house. I told the Lord if they said anything wrong, I was going to bail. But I stuck with it and cried a lot during Mass my first year. I enrolled in RCIA with not a clue about God or His Commandments, but after reading the CCC and understanding the Bible, I was changing. I was becoming conservative. I did not know about this sin or that sin and I no longer wanted to commit sin. I was baptized in 2018 in that parish. I then enrolled at the Kino Catechetical institute and became a Catechist. I believe everything the church teaches, and I understood that my priests (who are in their 60's-70's) at my parish were very lenient with their congregation. But because I was teaching Catechism, I had a captive audience and taught bluntly about Catholic morality. I had grown to accept my priests' leniency and the more modern feel of Sunday Mass. However my spiritual director, who was ordained in 2017, although a Jesuit, is very conservative. I could not have a liberal director. As the younger Jesuits would come through our parish, (they are in their 40's) they would bring with them singing, incense, Latin, and wonderful reverence. One of the priests even sings the daily Mass. I was splitting my time between the Jesuit parish and the TLM, because I personally want to be more reverent. I am fortunate to serve on the Liturgy Committee of the Jesuit parish where I get to speak my mind on any suggested unorthodox changes to the Mass. They hear me and have rescinded their ideas, and I even call them friends. Politically they are good about not sharing their liberal thoughts, but they do make it known to me privately, which I take as a compliment, even though I disagree with them. I do see the shift between the younger priests who bring out the incense and the Latin, and I am truly grateful that I get to see it. I appreciate what they are doing as Jesuits - they are missionaries and meet people where they are and that is exactly where I was 8 years ago. Many of the people who begin at my parish move on. On a side note, I have just made my Declaration to the Saint Francis de Sales Secular Institute this last November, and God Willing, I will begin taking my vows in two years to be a Consecrated Single. God Bless you and all you do. I am a big fan and I might just have a crush on you (I'm allowed!)
thank you for sharing!!
I've been praying and thinking about becoming a priest. I was married outside the church and ended up getting a divorce at the unwavering request of my ex-wife. I'm currently going through an annulment. My children are grown (I'm 43 and my youngest child will be 18 in August). I've talked to my priest and vocation director about discernment. After my son turns 18i plan on going into seminary if my discernment leads me in that direction. All of this meaning that, I agree, as an anecdotal piece of evidence, I am both theologically orthodox and politically conservative. Though I am not in a location that I can attend a TLM. Though I've been to one. I do not know any Latin (understand or speak) which makes participation very difficult for me. The Novus Ordo mass I attend is reverent though not so reverent that it becomes indistinguishable from the Latin Mass. Either way, I'm happy at my parish and would love to serve there if possible. Though that's at the discretion of the Bishop if I even get that far in the next decade.
God bless you and your journey!
Just said a prayer for you! I was in seminary for 5 years before discerning out (relatively longer than most who discern out). It is an amazing experience and I hope you find joy and fulfillment there and can better discern God’s calling!
My 92 year old mother, Catholic since she was a teenager, went to Mass at my parish once while visiting from out of state, and called a friend later. I overheard her saying, “I went to the most beautiful TLM today!”
No, Mom, that was just our Novus Ordo Mass. 👏👏👏
I can't stress enough. Not a single young adult or youth group kid in the English speaking side of my parish would consider themselves progressive, liberal, or even moderate. But both of these groups are large. The young adult group regularly has 40-60 people attending weeknight activities. And the youth groups have to be split by age so we have enough room for them. And at the local FSSP parish the numbers are quadruple that. That parish went from 60 people or so on a Sunday 5 years ago, to 400 people each Sunday, with many people hoping to come but there's not enough space (building a new church that can accommodate many more people)
I'm in that over-60, Catholic revert cohort. Catechesis was so extremely poor back in my youth, it's no wonder I (and so many others) fell away from the faith of my fathers for 20 years. I remember speaking with Fr. Feel Good about contraception after CCD one day and coming away with the impression "do whatever seems good to you." You can only hear "Jesus is love" so many times over a 12-year span of catechism classes without desiring to put meat on those bones -- to Incarnate the Living God! My generation was starved of meaning by progressive priests of that era. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but I believe the percent of priests who left the priesthood in the 70's is record-breaking. They made no moral demands of us or themselves, so it isn't surprising.
I doubt very much there will be a swing back to "progressive" Catholicism in either the laity or the priesthood, at least in my lifetime. I don't think it was ever sustainable because, like progressive politics, it doesn't feed a basic human hunger for truth -- Truth.
During the height of Liberal Catholicism in the 1970s, the youngest priests were born in the late 1940s/early 1950s. There were still cardinals eligible to vote for pope who were born in the 19th century. These people came up during a time when institutional Catholicism was a powerful force in society and being a priest carried influence and prestige. This attracted many men to the clergy who were not otherwise personally devout. There was also a strong connection at the time, at least within the United States, between Catholicism and the Democratic Party. All of this is now a relic of the past. The men in seminary are there because they want to push back against the culture rather than find ways to accommodate it.
I was not raised catholic, and only converted in 2011. At that time, finding a "unicorn" NO was truly difficult. Many liturgies were fine, but still very casual. Now, it seems like the reverent NO masses seem to make up about 1/3rd of the parishes available to me. The irreverent ones seem to be restricted to wealthy suburbs and then scattered in rural areas. Just my experience fwiw
I feel like the irreverent ones tend to be more “Boomer” parishes in my experience. The average age feels like 65 and there’s almost no children present.
@@andrewlusk8213I’m in a boomer parish like this with a missionary priest. They put a small note in the weekly email requesting people stop talking before mass begins. It’s been months, but the boomers won’t shut up, and the leadership doesn’t address it verbally. I have a feeling it’s because they are trying to fundraise, and you know the parishioners like that will just take their money elsewhere if they feel offended. It’s sad.
i'm happy for you that have liturgies available to you that you're comfortable with.
They still have a strangle-hold in "Catholic" highschools. I go to a Jesuit school in a very blue city, and I have to sit through my Ethics teacher using "Bishop" Marian Budde as teaching resource. Not kidding
It's up to people like you and I to stay strong, that stranglehold will change. We are still in the very beginning of this change
Wow! :(
The adults need to be back in charge
@@Mattt5 it’s important to remember the longevity of the church, within 50years those people will be gone and replaced with the people you hear of in this video. Liberalism is a cancer but it is self defeating.
And the Jesuits will continue to be liberal until more young men like you change it by becoming Jesuits.
We are very blessed at our parish to have a priest who is bringing back a lot of the "lost" traditions (altar rail, ad orientem altar, simple & Gregorian chant) and closer adherence to the GIRM. And the young people at our parish are visibly excited for their faith! We have three youth choirs, all learning chant, and the young men serving as altar servers are so reverent and meticulous. I'm a 1980s Catholic kid, only now in my 40s finally learning what the Mass should be and the true depths of my faith. I fight down the feeling of having been "robbed" of this in the past and am so excited to see what these young men and women will do for our faith in the future.
Thanks be to God. I have also observed 12 new Catechumens in the last 2 weeks and 3 newly ordained priests; one from Togo, 1 from Zambia and 1 from Cameroon. All here the Archdiocese of San Antonio.
Their people need them at home. Why are they here?
This is the question I have.. is this conservativeism due mainly to the fact that most new priests are foreign-born?
@@TheLlamaHaze iirc some African countries have a surplus of priests - that is, they have no priestless parishes to send them to in their homelands, so they send them abroad. Back in the day, Ireland used to be THE Catholic priest surplus nation.
Progressivism/liberalism are mostly a status symbol - it requires a huge amount of excess wealth to be able to waste on liberal vanity projects. Boomers were born into the wealthiest nation the world has ever seen, and thus were able to afford liberalism. However - Boomers also squandered more wealth than any generation in history. Young people today can’t afford education, can’t afford food, and can’t afford housing. It’s not a surprise that young people are turning more conservative/orthodox as a result. It’s largely a repudiation of Boomers - the most selfish, wasteful, and overall worst generation of humans the world has ever seen.
Boomers thought they were ushering in the dawn of an enlightened era. They’re going to end up the most despised and hated generation in history that serves only as a dire warning to future generations - don’t be anything like them.
I am a Boomer but I am very conservative. I was raised right by my Catholic mom and dad!
@MrCusefan44
You sound like a Millennial, always blaming other people for your poor work ethics. I'm Gen X. Boomers are not that bad. They worked hard. You can blame some lazy Gen X parents for coddling and spoiling Millennials and the next generations for being entitled. Don't be a Democrat that blames a demographic generation for their problems. Blame the Democrats themselves for pushing deleterious economic policies.
@ Boomers who didn’t fall in line with the free love, easy divorce, pro-abortion, selfish culture and stuck with traditional morality and orthodoxy deserve a lot of respect. While the overall culture the Boomer generation created is a disaster, the individuals who retained and passed on Truth to their kids had a difficult journey.
@ You deserve a lot of respect, that had to require a lot of discipline and faith to ignore the peer pressure you faced.
- "it requires a huge amount of excess wealth to be able to waste on liberal vanity projects"
How upside down and backwards can you get? Catholicism is by far the richest religion in world history. Many popes have been among the most wealthy people in Europe during their own lifetime.
I'm in NYC and have never experienced a reverent novus ordo mass. I have been to masses where I get the impression the priest is orthodox but is hostage to his parishioners and in particular the parish music director.
Try the Co-Cathedral in Brooklyn. I have only been back to the church since Easter, and haven't tried a Latin mass yet, so I'm no expert. But I've been to several parishes, including in other cities, and I think I know what you mean. I think you'll find it there.
St Peter's in downtown Manhattan has a very revenant mid day mass followed by confession and exposition of the Blessed Sacrament. It is on Barclay street.
Here in Panama, there is a parish priest, newly appointed, he’s at most 30, and celebrates the mass very reverently, but the choir doesn’t help.
He sings most of the mass, he even tries to incorporate Latin by singing “Gloria in excelsis Deo,” so the choir can continue, but the choir uses a song that is very “Protestantized,” you can say. They sing songs that make parishioners clap during mass and raise their hands and dance, as if they were in a concert. I feel bad for the priest, I want to be part of the choir and try to teach them, but I am nowhere near that parish, so I can’t go every Sunday.
The worst part is they have an electric organ, so they could use it very reverently, but they choose to use it as if it were electric music with guitars, as if it were an '80s song.
Thank you everyone.
I love seeing young people at my church kneeling on the floor to receive communion! Also more people in general crossing their arms to receive a blessing at communion meaning they acknowledge that they are not in good standing to receive.
Whether someone is "not in good standing" is no one's business but God's, their own, and their confessor's. If you're observing others approaching the altar and making assumptions about their "status" you probably should be doing what they're doing.
@@PantheraOnca60 what? to refuse to recieve unworthiliy of the eucharist means that they are not in good standing in the church, it is a show of humility and self introspection, and we acknowledge these good things in others. what is wrong with that again?
@@PantheraOnca60I am not Catholic yet, but when I finally make it to my first mass I will cross my arms and gratefully ask for a blessing anyway. In humility, because I am not baptized yet into the bride of Christ.
Do not be so quick to be offended friend, there is no need.
Where exactly do you find that in the Bible? This should be good.
@@ji8044 Why does it have to be located in the Bible? You've no basis for that argument
Tradition is the future
At my Franciscan Catholic school, we had a Gregorian Schola as a Fine Arts option - I spent four years attending Full-Latin masses, including Holy Week services such as Spy Wednesday Tenebrae, etc, as well as daily Mass, performing both versus communes et obscuros.
It's always nice to return to the Latin services as an alumnus every year for Holy Week, to reinsert myself into the environment, which I find to be much more fulfilling than the Novus Ordo.
Even when attending Mass outside of this context, I always find myself gravitating towards the more traditional Masses, to the point that when I attend Mass at my brother's college, I find myself distracted and disgusted by some of the straight-up heresies being spoken on the altar and at the pulpit - in an environment where people who may not be as familiar with the faith, or who may be entering into it, are poisoned. Three guesses what order and what age the priest there is.
Former Protestant here, I came over to Catholicism for the traditional views. Many former Protestants like myself fled the progressivism that’s rife within Protestant churches.
Great news! I'm glad to be joining the Church this Easter!
Welcome home! Glory to God.
Modernity is the synthesis of all heresies~ St Pius X pray for us.
Such great news! The future of our Church will once again thrive
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam... Deus Vult
Viva Cristo Rey. Deus Vult!!!
Ah, a crusader who is ready to go to war for Christianity. Can there be any more hypocritical form of devotion to Jesus than taking up the sword for him? It only took about 100 years after Nicea for Christians to change from dying for Jesus to making others die for him.
@ji8044 "I don't care, Margaret."
@@FrJohnBrownSJ I was taught by Jesuits, so I understand your stormtrooper mentality very well.
@@FrJohnBrownSJ hahaha perfect response. 😂😂😂😂
Its a wonderful hopeful trend! Like the dawn of a new day! I love it.
As a born and raised Catholic, I have to admit the rightward shift is pushing me away from the Church. What appeals to me most about the "liberal perspective" of Catholicism is the embrasure of the social aspects of the Faith, i.e., care for the poor, treating the downtrodden, reforming the imprisoned wrongdoers, etc. In my view, the "conservative perspective" focuses too heavily on abortion and male primacy in the Church's structure. I oppose abortion in general but also understand that there are times when it makes sense as the lesser of two evils. I seem to recall that St. Thomas Aquinas, who is a recognized Doctor of the Church, even allowed that abortion was not sinful up to a certain point of gestation. Additionally, I continue to be disturbed by the global extent of the sexual abuses by clergy that have been covered up by Church leaders, including Pope John Paul II (additional proof that Saints were human and imperfect).
At any rate, I ask anyone reading this to pray for me as I struggle with this. I am proud to be Catholic but am struggling with my growing distrust of the clergy. My wife and kids have already left the Church in disgust with its growing conservative nature and apparent disregard for women and other social issues.
Bob, I'm praying for you right now!
I understand you and I feel like that.. and I hope in a church more focused on the important things: "justice , mercy and faith". I feel the current Pharisees are the traditionalist christians (not just catholics).. but I could be wrong
L bozo, if progressive Christianity was good than the Progessive Catholic Churches would be full. Guess what? Progressive Catholic Churches are empty, empty pews, zero vocations, empty seminarys and empty RCIA classes. Jesus cursed the fig tree that gave no fruit, and progressive Catholcis have no fruit.
@@GodsDumbLamb So you think the Latin Mass and forcing women to cover their heads will change that? LOL
@ keep manifesting, traditional Catholic Churches are boomning, vocations are high and seminarys have to turn down perfectly good candidates. There is not a single thing you modernist pharisees can do about it.
Joe, you essentially echoed what I've been observing since the mid-2000s:
* heterodox/heretical Catholics and apostates overwhelmingly tend to be politically left (usually FAR left)
* orthodox Novus Ordo Catholics tend to be politically moderate-right
* traditional Catholics overwhelmingly tend to be politically conservative
My diocese is churning out priests that are solid and precise on theology. I estimate that 25% to 33% of them are "Benedict priests", and the remainder are "JP2 priests". ☝🏻
Glad to see restoring altar rails is actually a trend. Our cathedral has been inquiring about restoring its historic altar rail and we are currently looking at ways to fund it. It could be a long shot and its a secondary goal, but its important.
Not sure why the archdiocese is pretending to not know where the desire for this is coming from. They are good and proper, its really that simple. I don't mind them saying its not entirely necessary, sure we can continue without them and have valid sacraments and they are expensive for each one. But for them to pretend they don't know where the desire comes from really makes them look detached and distant from their own flocks and church honestly. Ita not like its a kept secret.
the dominican church i go to for daily mass still has their altar rails. that parish just celebrated 100 years.
It helps us to have respect for God, and receiving Him in a proper disposition.
Praise the Lord! Please pray for our priests and for those discerning priesthood.
Its dying because "the gates of hell shall not overcome" His church
That bit about the NY diocese addressing an inquiry about altar rails: our church at Communion time allows a large number of congregants who wish to receive on the tongue go to the altar rail for that purpose. I find it a nice system since it's not pleasant to have a E.Minister (often enough) appear taken aback when you put your tongue out as some are not keen on that method.
Celibacy is such a gift to the priesthood…
From who? It's not in the Bible. Paul says even married men should leave their wives alone, so that's not really an example.
The less woke Catholic Churches are flourishing! The traditional and reverent NO churches are thriving! When you have long confession lines this is a great sign. With long confession lines you will see huge Mass attendance on Sundays! Priest should explain why frequent confession is important.
This is the best Catholic channel on RUclips, by far.
Thank you for a wonderful topic. I live in a place where the archbishop and most the priests are extremely liberal. One of the churches plays music during the service that sounds like it's straight out of a campy broadway play. I sometimes drive to a neighboring small town where there is a young priest who is far more liturgically conservative. I hate when I go to confession and the priest just says 'God knows you're doing the best you can,' and doesn't even give penance. I want them to help hold me accountable, I want to do better. I want to become a saint. It feels like a liberal path to theology is based on cowardice and ultimately not caring enough. When the church holds the standard theologically, it asks more of us, which seems the whole point of the church, to guide the flock. Men who are called to be priests will want to live up to that. And we need them!
A conservative Catholic Church is really good for Christianity as a whole and even good for Protestantism.
We have a new pastor in our parish who is young, ordained within five years and he is conservative and has put the altar rail back,at the request of some of our parishioners and for the most part does not have Eucharistic ministers distributing the Eucharist. He has a beautiful what we use to call high Mass on Sunday and I am very glad that he has come to serve our parish. He is a refreshing change for us. There are some people that do not appreciate the change but I thoroughly enjoy attending his Mass.
I think reaction to culture is definitely a factor. Young people have always had a rebellious spirit. The new clergy of the 60s were rebelling against the clericalism they saw in the Church at the time. Meanwhile the new clergy today are attracted to the traditionalism that is counter-cultural and radical to the secular elements that have crept into today's Church. Both were and are rebelling against the prevailing cultural norms of the day.
don't forget that there is a spiritual aspect too. this is something God has consitantly done since Abraham. He allows His children to wander away from Him as to show them how awful it is to live apart from Him. had God not allowed this destructive liberalism and these luke warm novus ordo masses which ultimately lead to a spiritual desert i don't think people would have a true desire to actually know God. these past decades were trying and hard, but a greater good came from us wandering in the desert like the israelites in the time of moses than had we not. be glad and rejoice for our faith is much stronger now than sixty years ago; sure the numbers are down, but those who left had no faith to begin with.
The Soviets actually infiltrated the priesthood back in the day. That's well documented. The 60's sucked. I'm 70, and I feel a portion of my faith was stolen from me. Thankfully, my family and I have been attending a TLM for 4 - 5 years now.
What documentation is there that the Soviets infiltrated the priesthood back in the day?
@lambification Look up, "Bella Dodd".
@@lambificationHere In Poland communist soviet puppet government left archives where you can find registered agents sent to seminaries and becoming priests. I suspect they may also succeed in the regard in the west, but you would have to look through Muscovy KGB archives.
My Cathedral is Novus Ordo, but we have Latin Mass on the first Sunday of every month. We have Vespers before evening Mass everyday. We have a great choir singing mostly Latin and beautiful Gregorian Introits.
My experience of the faith has skyrocketed since I started coming to this Cathedral.
Liberal Catholicism, like Progressives in general have a hatred of all that is masculine. A great number of males are trending to the Orthodox Churches. It provides the discipline and structure men need in their lives.
I wonder how many older priests have also been jaded by the evil fruits of sexual heterodoxy. Maybe back in the 60s, they favored artificial birth control for married couples, but they lived long enough to witness the breakdown of the family.
this is the most wholesome video i've seen in ages
I am 67 years old and I think this is great news.
What a great and optimistic review, Joe. Thank you.
Pope Soros has got to go.
No doubt the younger generation is based/orthodox. I'm here for it.
Me: sees liberal Catholicism.
Me immediately: *omae wa mō shindeiru*
NANI?
@magikarp2063 😂
God : sees liberal Catholicism
God immediately : MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDAAAAA
Mary : Yare Yare Dawa 👑
Thank you for this information. I am so inspired by the way the priesthood is going. As a 76yr old I never agreed with the liberals in the 60s-80s and still don't. I want my priests to be my priests, not a social justice warrior. I agree you don't need to be a priest to be a sjw. You become a priest if you love Our Lord more than ANYTHING OR ANYONE! You want to lead people to love and obey Christ Jesus. Priests along with the rest of us don't get to pick and choose. The Church doesn't change with time. If you don't like what the Catholic Church teaches there are a multitude of others you may choose to follow. I have not been an active Catholic for 20+yrs. I wish I had been strong and realize that God will always win. I came back a yr ago praying that my prayers along with many others could change the liberal leanings of the church, not knowing the change had started but the media showed different. I am praying asking God to forgive my lack of action. Today, seeing these statistics I see the results of Catholics who stayed active and true praying for the return of holy priests as Our Holy Mother requested. Slow and steady. We need to continue to pray mightily for our return to traditional Catholicism not do what I did. Like Archbishop Vigano, Bishop Strickland, Dr Taylor Marshall and many many others are saying don't leave the church, keep praying for our church. I pray that Bergolio will be lead by The Father, Son and Holy Spirit to be The Vicar of Christ not be used as a weapon of Satan to destroy the Catholic Church.
I don’t care about the politics per se. I just want us as a Church to learn and love the faith better. We are also blessed with the most beautiful amazing traditions and I believe we should get back to them. Friday Fasting and almsgiving and traditions like Ember days etc.
Hi Joe. Thank you for all your hard work. I look forward to seeing your videos. In the early '80's, I attended a Lutheran seminary in Columbus, OH. We regularly studied with guys from the Josephenum across town. They were a diverse group of guys, some were "traditional" and others were liberal. It was there that I encountered a real, deep devotion to the Lord. This greatly impressed me & actually, intensified my desire for the same. After leaving the school, I learned that the Lutheran seminary began flying the infamous LGBT+ flag in front of the campus. Additionally, it was reported that the Joseiphime was a hotbed for "the gay lifestyle". Such reports are most disquieting and, if true, can explain the overall drop in seminary attendance. However, it's also been reported that a distinct change has occurred, leaning to more traditional thought & teachings. In the 80's, I studied with a couple of women professors and thought very highly of them. However, since coming into the church, one continually learns of the profound errors we accepted as gospel truth. In other words, one is suspicious of any seminary professor who's a Lutheran laywoman. Thanks again for everything you do. Pax
I love the thumbnails of this channel
I've noticed a shift in churches towards a more conservative practice, and I believe this is the only true way to practice our faith. I don't think liberalism has a place in our church. Additionally, during the last election, I observed that my diocese was indirectly promoting the value of life for the unborn in deciding who to vote for{Prolife vote}. It felt great to finally be hear this important election , making it absolutely known the prochoice vote is a sin.
Keep in mind that political liberalism has changed drastically in the past 30 years
That is a good point.
Yes. It has gone completely insane.
I think the issue is that progressive politics has moved extremely far left with identity/gender based order. Whereas, the church wouldn’t move with the secular moralisms that the left has created over the last two decades.
This is even true for young Jesuits
This was a great analysis. Re the drivers of these undeniable trends: I wonder how much of this is a generational lag effect of gen X and gen Y observing the fruits of Vatican II.
Deo gratias!!!!!!!!!
From the perspective of a 61 year old male who grew up in a North Jersey Catholic city.
I witnessed the destruction of the Church up close & personal. I lived it. Out of all my friends, I’m the only one left that still has the Faith.
I left the Novus Ordo about 30 years ago for the Traditional Catholic group, that saved my family.
So from that perspective I think this video is wishful thinking.
What was considered liberal in 1960 , is considered “conservative “ today. For example look at Trump , he would have been an off the charts liberal then , divorced multiple times, accepts homosexual unions etc, that at that time would have been unthinkable, but now he is considered to be ultra conservative.
Look at the polls of Novus Ordo “Catholics “ they simply don’t have the Faith.
The Novus Ordo is a new age type of religion, that accepts all roads leads to heaven, so yes you can hold 90 % of Catholic beliefs but their main teaching is to be a “good” person.
A “good” person is defined by whatever the Judeo homo-global cabal is pushing at the moment.
I heard this same type of nonsense when JP2 was pope , how these new priests were going to bring back the Church . How did that work out ?
In hindsight JP2 was a total disaster and will go down as one of the most destructive Popes in history, … but that’s another story.
The only answer is for the hierarchy to repent of their modernism, return to Catholic teachings, destroy the Novus Ordo with its ugly buildings & ridiculous made up liturgy.
I pray for this day.
little by little, we will heal the church, those that are good, Christ will retain, and those that are bad, Christ will heal.
Thanks be to the Holy Spirit for giving us this beautiful gift.
I'm currently a Catechumen in Germany and the shift is observable here too, though it hasn't picked up steam as much as in the US yet.
As for the reasons I can say that the liberals are often just falling into secularism and leave the Church in masses, while the conservatives stay. In 2023 alone more than 400.000 of around 20 million Catholics declared their leave, there were probably not many conservative believers among them. The same goes for the mainline Protestant Church, which lost over 300.000 people in the same year.
Stay strong brother, we have to do what is right, not what is popular
Ich wünsche euch viel Glück, besonders weil Ich wahrscheinlich irgendwann dort wohnen werde…
Praise be to God
My parish in Melbourne Australia is still liberal.
Most Catholics in Australia are sadly.
Hope this changes soon.
If someone ask me if I'm conservative or liberal, I say I am Catholic orthodox.
I noticed this difference in big churches with younger priests vs small community churches with much older ones. When I attend church visiting a friend’s parents’, their sole priest is well into his 70s and the entire homily base he has is “God is love and we should be nice!”. I attend a church near two major universities in Philadelphia and the priests are ALWAYS talking about “how many of you are tied to your worldly achievements? How many of you are full of pride? How many of you are truly willing to give those up to follow Jesus? How are you preparing for the upcoming church season/holiday?”
I’m living for 6 weeks in Florida and attending a church here that must’ve just welcomed a young priest and his homilies are BEAUTIFUL. They’re a mix of lectures such as proper Bible study + catechismal foundations all written with a beautiful command of the English language. It makes so many old timers uncomfortable.
The day of the church just being a glorified community center is over and it’s going to be great.
That is to say, new trends in the Church are BASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I think you made all the points very well. This is something I've noticed for years. I converted to Catholicism when I was 23, and lick clock work, I get more traditional and conservative each year. But that's my story.
The Catholic Church is self-correcting in the way it works. Even if things go off the rails, like they did in many ways following Vatican 2, the system is set up in a way that corrects itself with traditionalism. Because who would be willing to dedicate their lives to something that was lukewarm? Young seminarians will only dedicate their lives to something that is burn within them - and that's orthodoxy.
Another thing to remember is that the post-Vatican 2 period was a complete anomaly. It did not represent a normal ebb and flow in the style of Catholic worship. It, in many ways, radically changed everything from the way it had been since the beginning of the Church. What we have since since the 1970s, with priests being far more orthodox, is a return to what Catholicism has always been.
In my Diocese, you will see alter rails. And I do go to a traditional Latin Mass. Moreover, the most thriving parishes, the ones that are YEARLY having 6 to 12 young men enter the seminary - which is a huge number - are the ones with the alter rails, the ones with the greater reverence. And as those men have come out of seminary as priests, they end up working at similar parishes. When the diocese is ready to send them out to lead their first parish, the first thing they do is bring that traditionalism with them. It's great to see!
Even if the actual beliefs of Catholic priests have not changed at all over the decades, they would still have to identify as less politically liberal now due to the extreme movement of the politically liberal positions in the past 20 years. The increase in theologically orthodox priests shows it's not just reactionary to changes in political culture, though, but actually more faithful and better formed priests. My own anecdotal experience from interacting with the priests and seminarians in my own diocese, both young and old, also supports all these findings.
Anything that makes the representatives of the church more willing to promote the true teaching free from modern interpretation is welcome. There is nothing worse than "updating" with a modern message when the whole reason people coming to the church is because they are sick of the saccharine unfulfilling nature of modernity. Don't give them the same thing they are getting from the worldly culture if they aren't getting the substantive word of God or they will just leave, the bread of modernity will leave people ever hungry whereas the word of God is eternally filling.
"we need to do a lot of liberal things to give the people what they want" "the people want reverence and tradition" "no"
The change has been noticable in Milwaukee. 20 years ago, the seminary was run by liberals and feminists, and the seminary was empty. Now the seminary is very traditional and it is bursting at the seams. I think they have over 80 seminarians now and the new priests are amazing. You see how uncomfortable the seminarians are when they see how carelessly the Eucharist is handled by the older priests.
Good to know it’s turned around. One of the best priests I’ve ever met was a former MKE seminarian who left there early on because of what you mentioned.
Traditional orthodoxy is built into the church. It may disappear for a time but it always comes back.
This "orthodoxy" is still novus ordo, which isn't orthodox or traditional.
@ Perhaps He is still at work.
@@patcandelora8496 True Catholicism will always be, as Our Lord promised. It just isn't in the post Vatican II structure.
If you reject Vatican II you are no different than any other heretical group throughout history that hasn’t submitted to a council.