She didn’t say that. Vaush in his naïveté doesn’t realize that those like Marianne Williamson will be propped up by alternative media, from Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Breaking Points, The Hill Rising, TYT, Jacobin, and Greyzone, not to mention every conservative detractor of Joe Biden. It’s mainly those that aren’t really Democrats who want him primaried. Like Vaush, they’ll give Williamson the positive interviews and coverage for their own personal gain
On god. They can win a nail-biter against the devil and feel so goddam vindicated, instead of, y know, wondering why an election with The Devil was so close, why so many working class people could genuinely be convinced by such a terrible candidate that they’re a better option than you, and how absolutely goddam close you came to losing everything, and how easily you could lose everything in the next election if the republicans just do one thing differently. Weimar Republic headassery
"Someone who's doing a bang up job" Biden is doing better than I expected, but I expected him to do basically nothing and keel over by the midterm. We need FAR better than Biden if we want to achieve anything. So no Becky, I'm not going to root for the fossil. I'm not even hoping for a radical socialist, I just want someone who vaguely listens to their voters and isn't on deaths door.
Also, a lot of his better accomplishments came from implementing progressive policies. Biden is better than I expected, but he's far from the best Dem leader to outmuscle the outright fascism of the GOP.
Now hold on! Voting for someone younger than 70 is illegal. That is why the democrats pretty successfully made sure no young politician in their ranks was prepared to take over as the figurehead. That would require the old fucks to give up their power.
We can't forget how he sided with the rail company over workers and crushed the rail union. That was unforgivable and very likely contributed to the Norfolk derailment as the unions was talking specifically about those lax safety standards.
I think Biden has been immense, with a few bad spots, like the railroad workers debacle that some people mentions. I however expect that we will get more workers rights as we increase union influence. And then it will get tougher to stop that, i also believe that the Biden Admin are listening and willing to improve over a longer time period for issues like that. And i feel that they have already indicated that willingness. The should be pressured on those points, hard pressure! and demanding an explanation and what they will do to mitigate that action.
Well yes. Democracy isn't an unlimited resource. There are only so many times we can use it. We must savor it lest we burn out all the democracy all at once.
I saw an hour long video of her excellently analyzing and doing a deep dive in the Russia-Ukranian war and why logistic and financial support is not only good but necessary. It was excellent. Her opinion on this is absolutely disappointing and small-minded. Her list of why Biden is "good enough" isn't based in fact. He has delivered far too little, especially on workers' rights, where he was given several opportunities to do the right thing. Instead he did things like stomping on the rail unions...
I saw virtually all Democrats voting for rail workers sick pay that Biden would have signed if the GOP hadn’t voted it down. So you’re recommending Biden let the strike happen and take another economic hit?
Its just so funny that the president who was supposed to really like trains and unions prevented the rail unions from striking. It really shows that there is only one thing that matters for them, money (via business interests). Even if that goes against their personal preferences.
@@JasonBoyce you mean the guy who’s running on “Retribution” platform should be ignored? Or you want the nice one? This national anger will just resolve itself? If you’re unhappy with the “crumbs” now, you wouldn’t begin to believe the wonders of autocracy. Or would Marianne Williamson or a younger, more “with it” leader fix things right up?
Finally someone who gets it! Democracy is played out. Let's move onto something new. A giant spinny wheel like on the price is right. Whatever the wheel lands on, we do as a nation. Can't get more fair than that. All hail the wheel of legislation!
I don't think a viable alternative to Biden will show up in the 2024 democratic primary, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have it. I'm hoping for a pleasant surprise.
Here’s a pleasant surprise. Musk. Rogan, Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, Tucker, Fox News, Newsmax, Breaking Points, OAN, the Daily Wire and every Biden detractor elevates Williamson to a Bernie like 2016 status and she debilitates Biden for the general? Wouldn’t be surprised
If Bernie has it in himself to run again, he has proben himself more popular than the DNC establishment both times he tried and they had to pull dirty tricks to stop him. Not to mention all polling shows that his support for actual solutions earns him accross the aisle support that no Democrat ever could manage. I will admit though I primary could make it worse if the DNC decides to try and make us accept the cop Kamala or the corporate cock sucker Buttigieg. That is the one thing I'll give her, Biden may be awful but the dems can manage much much worse.
@@MarquisVegan which is telling, since it was a painful yucking it up over agreements as to who the big bad guys are. If Vaush is proud of himself, life’s expectations are around a 6. Truly a boring interview that said more about what wasn’t happening than was.
"But but.... Orbán is attacking our democracy!" This was the rallying cry and basically the only message of Hungarian liberals before their spectacular and permanent collapse
She's doing that really smarmy thing where they say their opinion like its a universally shared one and using that as a basis to shame you into voting her way, in her own mind she's correct and assumes everyone sees it the same, thing is if that were true, she wouldn't even need to make a video in the first place, if we saw Biden as she does, we wouldn't be hesitating to vote for him in a primary.
I've seen her before and I'm never able to last more than a few seconds, she always talks this way. It's aggressive, demanding and condescending all at the same time. I'm not sure who this is for, maybe if you agree 100% you don't notice it but whenever someone talks to you this way in disagreement it's like they're compelling you to do the opposite of whatever they say. I'm not sure how to describe it but the way she's speaking is like nails on a chalkboard. It also feels like she's not just saying her opinion but channeling the voice of a side's position, not just copying beliefs but speaking as a representative voice for a group and not herself so it also feels really inauthentic and dogmatic.
This woman could be a side character from TV show Desperate Housewives, whose mind starts to unravel when the status quo fails to be upheld and the kitchen appliances start to rust and lose their old shine.
@@jocksharerock7318 He doesn’t do ads, he is most certainly not pro-status quo considering he’s a socialist. You have to try harder than this do you want to be the new comment spam troll, seriously you guys get weaker and weaker every time.
@@themanwithoutaplan9389 you come across as profoundly ignorant. Of course, there are ads on Vaush’s channel. That’s what I’m talking about. He’s just as much a part of the machine as anyone else making good money off it. Are you saying you didn’t understand what I was getting out? You need to go to school or something
@@jocksharerock7318 It's okay, you tried to troll but nobody is taking the bait, it happens. Maybe your family will love you one day if you decide to come out of the basement for some fresh air :)
Its one short to make a part of a broader point, and vaush jumps of on that, i understand her position and i dont think its about the status quo from the other things i heard from her. So maybe reach out for a proper discussion. That would be cool!
Vaush the problem is that we can't afford changes right now. 2028 is the time for the fresh face, which we desperately need, but if we want to beat Trump or DeSantis, we'd better have something damn good in the works.
I recently unsubscribed from Meidas Touch. They started with substantive content on the various trump document issues. They have pivoted HARD into wild click bait headlines. Every video is a "bombshell" but honestly never says what the bombshell claims. On top of that, they do a lot of gaslighting to insist Butigeg, and other corporate conservative democrats, are some master politician.
Fuckin nailed it. I'm tired of seeing "Trump supporter DESTROYED on NATIONAL TV!" type headlines, and the "destroyed" moment turns out to be a wet noodle line delivered by an establishment dem to a republican who kinda just moves on.
Not your best take. I agree with your point but she's not advocating for nothing ever changing. I think it's a fair point that faced with an existential crisis against an opposition party that is outright fascist and knows how to manipulate its base to turn out incredibly strong, spending our precious resources on a messy primary fight is a waste of resources if our goal is to regain full control of Congress. Not that I think you're wrong on the larger point, I just think in this political climate, it actually is a fair argument for once to not push for a more progressive candidate as hard as possible. In 2016 and 2020 it was right to do so but right now things are a lot more precarious and a primary fight might not only project weakness to on-the-fence centrists, but it actually would funnel money away from Congressional races that we really need to win. Biden has shown that he'll play ball with progressive policies so he's not fully a status quo guy. If we can take back the House and start putting progressive legislation on his desk he'll probably sign it. So it's not the worst thing for just this election to not primary him. We desperately need Democrats to retake Congress. That's the bigger priority. That's her point. Realistically though, the left would never unify around one candidate before the primaries like that. Though she may have a valid point imo, it just wouldn't happen. And anyway in this climate there will likely be a progressive challenger hoping to finish what Bernie started and we should vote for them in the primaries. A primary is inevitable so her calls, while imo reasonable, are pointless.
Indeed. It's one thing to coalesce around the nominee after the primary is over, but you have to have those debates and discussions first. While Bernie has made it clear that he won't challenge Biden in the primary, and he is probably pretty busy with his committee duties, but if someone else (who actually has experience, so not Marianne Williamson) wants to put up a primary challenge, that's healthy. Too many have bought into the CW that a primary challenge means the incumbent President (such as 1976, 1980, and 1992) will lose and no serious party challenge (such as 1984, 1996, and 2004) means the incumbent President will win. Well, 2020 should have killed that
Well then you havent followed politics closely the last 6 months. Unless by aggressive you mean copy the republicans and trumps playbook, which is a hard no! It takes more courage and strength to actually follow principles. And being aggressive with your principles as lead is much harder than, say anything to appear aggressive and strong like we see in the GOP.
@@michaelk.jensen1611 While I get the spirit of what you are saying, given the current climate, I don't really care much of libs would break the law to get rid of reps. Like, I feel like we are neck deep in shit and, at this point, principles matter much less than results (which means that we still need to weight result vs principle, but I am simply pointing out how it isn't as clear cut as you might want it to be) Edit: Also, libs are usually same conservative goons as reps, minus the fascism, so it isn't like their principles are good or worth keeping.
@@OneReallyGrumpyJill Well i completely disagree with you, and is not just a question of principles vs results, the execution with principles IS the results or part of it.! If it not based in principles, your actual results are less results! I also believe that if we are so pressurised we have to act in a way that counters our own "principles" if we forced, however that is also a part of our/my principles. The results we should achieve is strengthening the things we do according to our principles. Not the opposite. You seem to think that they are competing goals?(simplifying here sorry.) i think that they are necessary together. Especially within politics where the principles and actions are strongly related and actually about that. Forexample right now there are laws on the books in the US that are repressive and are based on mostly religious motivations by a specific belief, and i dont care one whit for that as they are forced on us by dishonesty and lies, including by several people on the supreme court. We see autonomy and abortion being cracked down on, websites about abortion, we see book banning, we see hatred of other people, put in to legislation, access to healthcare for women, transpeople and others, if it was the mormons it would probably be blood transfusions. So we see people and their families religious rights being stomped on. I know how serious it is. Hopefully we can circumvent these practises and i'm ready to go to civil disobedience and even unlawful conduct to these extreme laws being made. Im from outside US and im right now thinking about hosting content that is being cracked down on by extreme States, like Texas. I have server hosting in Germany, Denmark. Lithuania. I dont know the need for that yet! But the Christian taliban can go fuck themself.
That’s just because all of the party’s famous alternatives are hot garbage lmao. We need to bring up genuinely good candidates not currently on some party pollsters’ radar the same way that Bernie did in 16. Otherwise, if we just sit around and see what alternatives an oligarchic party establishment comes up with and just chose from the buffet of shit they set out for us, electoralism in turn won’t be worth more than jack shit for the common person in this country.
So here's a thought, maybe we actually do democracy and have a primary since people clearly don't like Biden, and if the DNC pulls strings for him and he still ends up on top, then as you say people will vote against republicans anyways. At least that's the hope. Biden being as terrible as he is made 2020 infinitely closer than it had any right to be, and he may sink the dems and hand the country to fascists this tike if he runs again. And in that scenario we could, just maybe, get and actually acceptable candidate that people can vote for instead. That would be nice
i agree with all V's takes, but, it is nice to see a Democrat be honest about the incoming facism and that we are in late stage capitalism, im not sure she believes that really but she is still saying it.
Tbf who else is running lol? Kamala? Pete? No way either of them are winning a primary let alone the general. I don't like how we are playing the old man vs time game which is not a good one given the stakes at hand.
"Don't let perfect be the enemy of good" except it's "DO let mediocrity be the enemy of good". Also imagine saying that how people feel about a candidate doesn't matter if you want to win _in a democracy._
Today’s Democrats are just Reagan’s Neoliberals. The USA’s Overton window has shifted so far to the right that anything left of 1980s conservatism is literally unthinkable.
@@sheogorath1374 so it’s pathetic. It was just insulting her looks and the fact she’s **clutches pearls** white. **Gasp** Insulting her political views is fine, but her race? That’s ridiculous. It stuff like this that gives Vaush a bad name and has him stuck in the mud around 430 K subscribers while Destiny is now nearing 700 K, and other liberals are all trending towards 1M.
No one. The only people who like Biden are ones like this lady who clearly aren't in their right minds. Well maybe the corporate executives who pay him might also think so since he has been such an obedient puppet for them so far
I appreciate the balance you strike between recognizing the importance of keeping republicans out of office and also shitting on the half incompetent half equally implicated Democrat party. Edit: I’m positive that when this lady talks about the threat of fascism she’s just thinking noo muh abortions gone Edit 2: 15:08 and the whole world is saying Marianne Williamson would lose the general! So grow a spine and debate!
Maybe by running against Biden, Williamson can force Biden to argue for better policies to appeal to democrat voters and become more competitive (not that she is likely to win at all but still).
@@leonake4194 I think you mistaken, there was no hesitation, and i also note that some people credit Biden with gathering the support for Ukraine and leading that, being a total Biden stan..., i can categorically say that is not what happened. Ukraine support was and is fairly consistent and strong, Germany, Poland, Denmark, Finland(Borders Russia), France, Portugal, UK(some Rightwing media is trying in part to discredit that now) and so on, there are almost no countries not suppporting Ukraine strongly, you might guess some of them, ... Hungary.
you have to understand that the Democratic Party *is* conservative by nature. Neoliberalism is just an offshoot of conservatism. Remember: today’s Democrats are Raegan’s conservatives, minus the Catholicism.
I’ve always thought Politics Girl has an ominous look about her that you typically only see with republicans/MAGA. Her eyes are that lighter shade of blue that constantly make her look angry. It’s a very common trait that you find amongst the more culty members of the conservative evangelical crowd (think Kenneth Copeland). I don’t think she’s doing the democrats any favors as far as optics go 😳 *also, I’m very aware this is a rather shallow assessment on my part, and I freely admit to that. I guess it’s just a primal response from my subconscious. I’m sure Politics Girl is a decent person in real life, and not on the same level as a far right Christian nationalist type you find in the conservative world.
Yes democratic primary but whomever wins said primary needs to be able to capture the vote of all the people that didnt vote them through the primary. I understand where she is comping from but yes that is not democratic. Vote blue because the opposition is a religion.
I mean, if you do look at it objectively, there are so many things that Biden has been bad on that I can criticize interms of failure in policy. Remember the idea he had on making a council or team that would evaluate whether the US needed a supreme court expansion which he could appoint and fill? Crickets on that council. And now we have Roe v Wade overturned. That's not 100% on Biden, but he bears some responsibility for it.
Ok, Ig i didn't see it the same way i saw when i first saw it. I just interpreted this as her saying that we can't afford to risk our election with infighting. idk just my view.
I’m actually going to defend Politics Girl for what she defends, which isn’t really neoliberalism as much as preserving what little democracy we currently have. I still stan a liberal Karen over the fascist alternative
On the one hand, "do the minimum" does seem to be a core tenet of American liberalism. On the other hand, it's very telling that the Democrats aren't able to follow the fairly obvious tactics Vaush describes at the end. I have mixed feelings about the whole "controlled opposition" thing.
The main issue is we did throw someone with unique, amazing ideas into the mix once and then the establishment told us that it was Hillary's turn to win. Then Bernie had to sit down. And then Hillary lost. And we got Trump. I'm not saying this woman speaking in the video is right, but there is at least something to sticking with someone that will at least cater to the whims of the people. Someone familiar. Who really has the best chance of doing better than Joe i n a primary?
Jesus i hate the fact that people get on their soap box. Literally she is speaking like she believes she is the main character. Democrats need to be more Democratic. Simple as that.
"We have option X or Y. Option X is arguably less destructive than option Y. Therefore, No changes must be applied to X". Her logic is flawless, especially if you believe we live in a society. Very brave.
Trump bullying the GOP to not have a fair primary in 2019 was part of the problem I had with him. I like Biden and I can understand the sentiment, but have the primary so we don’t mirror the more fascist tendencies of the MAGA crowd.
I dont think she was saying we shouldnt have primaries, i think she was talking about the focus, of some people, but like Vaush , cutting in to a short and drawing conclusions on very little ground, i would have to look into it rigorously. But the things i have seen from her doesnt indicate to me that it was what she meant. My guess is she talking about people that are focusing lot of energy for the purpose of finding a candidate to take over Biden as a priority.
I cannot tell you how many people i know who voted for Biden and Obama are thinking of voting for trump back in. For all of the successes Biden has had, they're not enough to affect a majority of even the middle class, radically change the trajectory of the country, or its foreign policy. Combine that with inflation, and you get people wanting trump back, even when they're part of a minority that Trump attacked. We need someone better, and the complacency demonstrated in this video brought us Trump in the first place.
idk Vaush. Most of what she says is *not* inaccurate. I still think she's missing the idea that a primary can force Biden even MORE to the left which would be great, but democracy teetering on a knife's edge is spot on.
The problem She's explaining is right, but her solution is all wrong. If we keep supporting establishment candidates, we'll always be on the knife's edge. I remember back in 2016, we HAD to put all our support behind Hillary because Trump was that much of a threat. Democrats are always playing defense against the Republicans. The only way to get off that knife's edge is to push Democrats further left. Support more progressive policies, and fight against gerrymandering and voter suppression.
@@Moh4a4d No, we haven't been on that knife's edge to the same extent. There has never been a former president who attempted a coup both through legal wriggling *and* violence who is STILL the frontrunner for re-election in his party. In 2016, I was Bernie or Bust and ended up voting Green. When I now see what that did to abortion rights, I deeply regret how effective that anti-establishment propaganda was. Here's the part you and Vaush are missing: Democrats don't care if they lose. Ultimately, they're still economic elites who will live comfortably with or without tossing a bone to Progressives. They'll still be able to get their abortions, sleep with whomever they want, etc. There is no "punishing" them by making them lose outside of humiliation, which they don't care about too much.
@@Moh4a4d Was that what it was like, i dont remember it like that, i dont think that many did that? Trump was a fairly unknown quantity. I would say the comments about Trump at the time was more about doubt about his temperament, which i think in the mirror was justified in the extreme, he was worse than we feared!
"politics girl".... 😂😂😂 like no one else can do these things but Joe... no. it's because it's convenient for Jamie Dimon and the elites to have him there...
“I am once again asking you to determine that neoliberalism isn’t enough to combat fascism and give me your support” - Punished Bernie
I kinda hope Bernie runs again just for fun.
@@nervousbreakdown711 Ye would be funni.
@@nervousbreakdown711 Don't do it for fun, do it as a middle finger to the establishment
@@OneReallyGrumpyJill Yes, that worked so well for us last time
@Sam Bourgeois I was referring to the last "middle finger" the American people "gave to the establishment," Trump.
“The last thing we need for our democracy, is a democratic practice”
Well hold on now
You see if we do democracy hard enough, it becomes undemocratic.
The jokes write themselves
She didn’t say that. Vaush in his naïveté doesn’t realize that those like Marianne Williamson will be propped up by alternative media, from Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Breaking Points, The Hill Rising, TYT, Jacobin, and Greyzone, not to mention every conservative detractor of Joe Biden. It’s mainly those that aren’t really Democrats who want him primaried. Like Vaush, they’ll give Williamson the positive interviews and coverage for their own personal gain
@@dubspool Most sane republican.
AVE TENEBRIS BRANDON
How can she not see that "we are not them" isn't a good enough reason to postpone or entirely scrap self-improvement on policy?
On god. They can win a nail-biter against the devil and feel so goddam vindicated, instead of, y know, wondering why an election with The Devil was so close, why so many working class people could genuinely be convinced by such a terrible candidate that they’re a better option than you, and how absolutely goddam close you came to losing everything, and how easily you could lose everything in the next election if the republicans just do one thing differently. Weimar Republic headassery
"Someone who's doing a bang up job"
Biden is doing better than I expected, but I expected him to do basically nothing and keel over by the midterm. We need FAR better than Biden if we want to achieve anything. So no Becky, I'm not going to root for the fossil. I'm not even hoping for a radical socialist, I just want someone who vaguely listens to their voters and isn't on deaths door.
The bar for Biden is extremely low. He’s better than Trump by virtue of not being an overt fascist. We deserve better, but we could have so much worse
Also, a lot of his better accomplishments came from implementing progressive policies. Biden is better than I expected, but he's far from the best Dem leader to outmuscle the outright fascism of the GOP.
Now hold on!
Voting for someone younger than 70 is illegal. That is why the democrats pretty successfully made sure no young politician in their ranks was prepared to take over as the figurehead. That would require the old fucks to give up their power.
We can't forget how he sided with the rail company over workers and crushed the rail union. That was unforgivable and very likely contributed to the Norfolk derailment as the unions was talking specifically about those lax safety standards.
I think Biden has been immense, with a few bad spots, like the railroad workers debacle that some people mentions.
I however expect that we will get more workers rights as we increase union influence. And then it will get tougher to stop that, i also believe that the Biden Admin are listening and willing to improve over a longer time period for issues like that. And i feel that they have already indicated that willingness.
The should be pressured on those points, hard pressure! and demanding an explanation and what they will do to mitigate that action.
To defend democracy, we must not go though the democratic process apparently.
Well yes. Democracy isn't an unlimited resource. There are only so many times we can use it. We must savor it lest we burn out all the democracy all at once.
Vaush read my message in a video, that means I'm Canon now
Congratulations you are imortalised in the Vaushverse
Unique and interesting character in Vaush Expended Universe.
@@megarigged Lord Zander of the 5th circle, scholar of the Vaushverse
I saw an hour long video of her excellently analyzing and doing a deep dive in the Russia-Ukranian war and why logistic and financial support is not only good but necessary. It was excellent.
Her opinion on this is absolutely disappointing and small-minded. Her list of why Biden is "good enough" isn't based in fact. He has delivered far too little, especially on workers' rights, where he was given several opportunities to do the right thing.
Instead he did things like stomping on the rail unions...
I saw virtually all Democrats voting for rail workers sick pay that Biden would have signed if the GOP hadn’t voted it down. So you’re recommending Biden let the strike happen and take another economic hit?
Well, no. If you expected Biden to achieve even half of what he actually has, then you weren't paying attention.
Its just so funny that the president who was supposed to really like trains and unions prevented the rail unions from striking.
It really shows that there is only one thing that matters for them, money (via business interests). Even if that goes against their personal preferences.
she's 100% operating in "scarcity" mindset. it's either these crumbs we have or complete autocracy. you can't think straight in that mode
@@JasonBoyce you mean the guy who’s running on “Retribution” platform should be ignored? Or you want the nice one? This national anger will just resolve itself? If you’re unhappy with the “crumbs” now, you wouldn’t begin to believe the wonders of autocracy. Or would Marianne Williamson or a younger, more “with it” leader fix things right up?
Ugh... democracy. Can we just not?
What do you want instead Tom? A corporate authoritarian oligarchy?
@@nsbd90now I think Tom is being sarcastic.
@@thatdarnskag5043 have to agree on this part!
Op is def sarcastic
Finally someone who gets it! Democracy is played out. Let's move onto something new. A giant spinny wheel like on the price is right. Whatever the wheel lands on, we do as a nation. Can't get more fair than that. All hail the wheel of legislation!
"our president is successful".... He's polling at 40%
"surely the most democratic thing here is ignoring the democratic process"
Well yea it makes sense when you dont really think about it.
I don't think a viable alternative to Biden will show up in the 2024 democratic primary, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have it. I'm hoping for a pleasant surprise.
Here’s a pleasant surprise. Musk. Rogan, Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, Tucker, Fox News, Newsmax, Breaking Points, OAN, the Daily Wire and every Biden detractor elevates Williamson to a Bernie like 2016 status and she debilitates Biden for the general?
Wouldn’t be surprised
@@jocksharerock7318 that, or Bernie finally fucking wins after running in 2024.
If Bernie has it in himself to run again, he has proben himself more popular than the DNC establishment both times he tried and they had to pull dirty tricks to stop him. Not to mention all polling shows that his support for actual solutions earns him accross the aisle support that no Democrat ever could manage.
I will admit though I primary could make it worse if the DNC decides to try and make us accept the cop Kamala or the corporate cock sucker Buttigieg. That is the one thing I'll give her, Biden may be awful but the dems can manage much much worse.
Lol have you not heard of Marianne Williamson? Vaush literally have an interview with her which he also said it was the best interview he ever had.
@@MarquisVegan which is telling, since it was a painful yucking it up over agreements as to who the big bad guys are. If Vaush is proud of himself, life’s expectations are around a 6. Truly a boring interview that said more about what wasn’t happening than was.
"But but.... Orbán is attacking our democracy!"
This was the rallying cry and basically the only message of Hungarian liberals before their spectacular and permanent collapse
Good lord 5 seconds in and we are already advocating for the end of democracy...
She's doing that really smarmy thing where they say their opinion like its a universally shared one and using that as a basis to shame you into voting her way, in her own mind she's correct and assumes everyone sees it the same, thing is if that were true, she wouldn't even need to make a video in the first place, if we saw Biden as she does, we wouldn't be hesitating to vote for him in a primary.
Where is she wrong? She has pointed out Biden's denmonstrated record and what is at stake if the GOP wins any further control.
I've seen her before and I'm never able to last more than a few seconds, she always talks this way. It's aggressive, demanding and condescending all at the same time. I'm not sure who this is for, maybe if you agree 100% you don't notice it but whenever someone talks to you this way in disagreement it's like they're compelling you to do the opposite of whatever they say. I'm not sure how to describe it but the way she's speaking is like nails on a chalkboard. It also feels like she's not just saying her opinion but channeling the voice of a side's position, not just copying beliefs but speaking as a representative voice for a group and not herself so it also feels really inauthentic and dogmatic.
"Yea! Screw you mom I'm not cleaning up my room! Oh also FJB!"
You know if you told me this was a republican psyop, I’d believe you.
Unfortunately not, she's too sincere and is barely even raising her voice
It is actually a establishment psy op. Something I have known about for 2 decades.
False paradigm.
@@mogscugg2639
She doesn’t even have to know about it, she can just be a useful idiot, for the establishments false paradigm.
Because she doesn’t believe in dividing up the party? For the likes of that youngster Marianne Williamson?
Republicans aren't savvy enough to pull psyops.
Protect Democracy by suspending democracy. FUCKIN GENIUS! WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT!
This woman could be a side character from TV show Desperate Housewives, whose mind starts to unravel when the status quo fails to be upheld and the kitchen appliances start to rust and lose their old shine.
How do you know Vaush isn’t the status quo? Just another guy making a 6 figure salary talking? With ads and all that?
@@jocksharerock7318 He doesn’t do ads, he is most certainly not pro-status quo considering he’s a socialist. You have to try harder than this do you want to be the new comment spam troll, seriously you guys get weaker and weaker every time.
@@themanwithoutaplan9389 you come across as profoundly ignorant. Of course, there are ads on Vaush’s channel. That’s what I’m talking about. He’s just as much a part of the machine as anyone else making good money off it.
Are you saying you didn’t understand what I was getting out? You need to go to school or something
@@jocksharerock7318 It's okay, you tried to troll but nobody is taking the bait, it happens. Maybe your family will love you one day if you decide to come out of the basement for some fresh air :)
Its one short to make a part of a broader point, and vaush jumps of on that, i understand her position and i dont think its about the status quo from the other things i heard from her.
So maybe reach out for a proper discussion. That would be cool!
Vaush the problem is that we can't afford changes right now. 2028 is the time for the fresh face, which we desperately need, but if we want to beat Trump or DeSantis, we'd better have something damn good in the works.
I recently unsubscribed from Meidas Touch. They started with substantive content on the various trump document issues. They have pivoted HARD into wild click bait headlines. Every video is a "bombshell" but honestly never says what the bombshell claims. On top of that, they do a lot of gaslighting to insist Butigeg, and other corporate conservative democrats, are some master politician.
Fuckin nailed it. I'm tired of seeing "Trump supporter DESTROYED on NATIONAL TV!" type headlines, and the "destroyed" moment turns out to be a wet noodle line delivered by an establishment dem to a republican who kinda just moves on.
It's not enough for us to just "not be the bad guys" we need to actively be the good guys
Not your best take. I agree with your point but she's not advocating for nothing ever changing. I think it's a fair point that faced with an existential crisis against an opposition party that is outright fascist and knows how to manipulate its base to turn out incredibly strong, spending our precious resources on a messy primary fight is a waste of resources if our goal is to regain full control of Congress.
Not that I think you're wrong on the larger point, I just think in this political climate, it actually is a fair argument for once to not push for a more progressive candidate as hard as possible. In 2016 and 2020 it was right to do so but right now things are a lot more precarious and a primary fight might not only project weakness to on-the-fence centrists, but it actually would funnel money away from Congressional races that we really need to win. Biden has shown that he'll play ball with progressive policies so he's not fully a status quo guy. If we can take back the House and start putting progressive legislation on his desk he'll probably sign it. So it's not the worst thing for just this election to not primary him. We desperately need Democrats to retake Congress. That's the bigger priority. That's her point.
Realistically though, the left would never unify around one candidate before the primaries like that. Though she may have a valid point imo, it just wouldn't happen. And anyway in this climate there will likely be a progressive challenger hoping to finish what Bernie started and we should vote for them in the primaries. A primary is inevitable so her calls, while imo reasonable, are pointless.
Basically “defend democracy by not doing democracy “ wtf lol
All I am hearing from this lady is "shut up and fall in line peasants! we know whats best for you"
Indeed. It's one thing to coalesce around the nominee after the primary is over, but you have to have those debates and discussions first. While Bernie has made it clear that he won't challenge Biden in the primary, and he is probably pretty busy with his committee duties, but if someone else (who actually has experience, so not Marianne Williamson) wants to put up a primary challenge, that's healthy. Too many have bought into the CW that a primary challenge means the incumbent President (such as 1976, 1980, and 1992) will lose and no serious party challenge (such as 1984, 1996, and 2004) means the incumbent President will win. Well, 2020 should have killed that
God dammit this is just a bad take from a great ally
Hoping that libs will get aggressive is like hoping that my crippling addiction to drugs will go away
Well then you havent followed politics closely the last 6 months. Unless by aggressive you mean copy the republicans and trumps playbook, which is a hard no!
It takes more courage and strength to actually follow principles. And being aggressive with your principles as lead is much harder than, say anything to appear aggressive and strong like we see in the GOP.
@@michaelk.jensen1611 While I get the spirit of what you are saying, given the current climate, I don't really care much of libs would break the law to get rid of reps. Like, I feel like we are neck deep in shit and, at this point, principles matter much less than results (which means that we still need to weight result vs principle, but I am simply pointing out how it isn't as clear cut as you might want it to be)
Edit: Also, libs are usually same conservative goons as reps, minus the fascism, so it isn't like their principles are good or worth keeping.
@@OneReallyGrumpyJill Well i completely disagree with you, and is not just a question of principles vs results, the execution with principles IS the results or part of it.!
If it not based in principles, your actual results are less results!
I also believe that if we are so pressurised we have to act in a way that counters our own "principles" if we forced, however that is also a part of our/my principles.
The results we should achieve is strengthening the things we do according to our principles.
Not the opposite.
You seem to think that they are competing goals?(simplifying here sorry.) i think that they are necessary together.
Especially within politics where the principles and actions are strongly related and actually about that.
Forexample right now there are laws on the books in the US that are repressive and are based on mostly religious motivations by a specific belief, and i dont care one whit for that as they are forced on us by dishonesty and lies, including by several people on the supreme court.
We see autonomy and abortion being cracked down on, websites about abortion, we see book banning, we see hatred of other people, put in to legislation, access to healthcare for women, transpeople and others, if it was the mormons it would probably be blood transfusions.
So we see people and their families religious rights being stomped on.
I know how serious it is.
Hopefully we can circumvent these practises and i'm ready to go to civil disobedience and even unlawful conduct to these extreme laws being made.
Im from outside US and im right now thinking about hosting content that is being cracked down on by extreme States, like Texas.
I have server hosting in Germany, Denmark. Lithuania.
I dont know the need for that yet!
But the Christian taliban can go fuck themself.
In all fairness, most Dems don't want to vote for Dems but when he is put up against alternatives he still comes out on top of the poll.
You’re correct! Lately Vaush hasn’t been worth watching, especially when not being thorough. That’s what most of alternative media is about
That’s just because all of the party’s famous alternatives are hot garbage lmao. We need to bring up genuinely good candidates not currently on some party pollsters’ radar the same way that Bernie did in 16. Otherwise, if we just sit around and see what alternatives an oligarchic party establishment comes up with and just chose from the buffet of shit they set out for us, electoralism in turn won’t be worth more than jack shit for the common person in this country.
So here's a thought, maybe we actually do democracy and have a primary since people clearly don't like Biden, and if the DNC pulls strings for him and he still ends up on top, then as you say people will vote against republicans anyways. At least that's the hope. Biden being as terrible as he is made 2020 infinitely closer than it had any right to be, and he may sink the dems and hand the country to fascists this tike if he runs again.
And in that scenario we could, just maybe, get and actually acceptable candidate that people can vote for instead. That would be nice
When the alternative is a overt fascist, of course they’ll vote for the do-nothing
You should roleplay as a charismatic politician more often, the few times I've seen you do it both felt distinctively and memorably inspiring
i agree with all V's takes, but, it is nice to see a Democrat be honest about the incoming facism and that we are in late stage capitalism, im not sure she believes that really but she is still saying it.
Tbf who else is running lol? Kamala? Pete? No way either of them are winning a primary let alone the general. I don't like how we are playing the old man vs time game which is not a good one given the stakes at hand.
Yeah exactly. Unless the DNC can cough up someone who actually stands a chance against DeSantis or Trump in the general, I'm all in on Biden.
OBEY CONSUME DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY
STAY ASLEEP
Malarkey is a great word. It comes into American English from Greek about 100 years ago. It means ‘jerkoff’.
"Don't let perfect be the enemy of good" except it's "DO let mediocrity be the enemy of good".
Also imagine saying that how people feel about a candidate doesn't matter if you want to win _in a democracy._
It's like none of these Dems remember FDR
Today’s Democrats are just Reagan’s Neoliberals. The USA’s Overton window has shifted so far to the right that anything left of 1980s conservatism is literally unthinkable.
Chat is absolute garbage. Two complain about her being “white” and list off stereotypes is so lame.
So?
@@sheogorath1374 so it’s pathetic. It was just insulting her looks and the fact she’s **clutches pearls** white. **Gasp**
Insulting her political views is fine, but her race? That’s ridiculous. It stuff like this that gives Vaush a bad name and has him stuck in the mud around 430 K subscribers while Destiny is now nearing 700 K, and other liberals are all trending towards 1M.
@@MMAGamblingTips That's because white women having bad takes is such a meme. You seem a little defensive.
Vote Marianne Williamson
It is so strange to find out that you and Vaush watch the exact same people on RUclips.
This lady is ensuring Biden’s loss in the general
Omg she was just copy and pasting that paragraph under every tweet reply
Love from a AmazingAtheist and Xanderhal fan!
Both of you are right.
Who in their right mind , thinks Biden is the best opinion?
No one. The only people who like Biden are ones like this lady who clearly aren't in their right minds.
Well maybe the corporate executives who pay him might also think so since he has been such an obedient puppet for them so far
Establishment Democrats, who are afraid of the chance that their captive voter base would vote in progressives given the opportunity to do so.
whats funny is that if its desantis v biden, i honestly bet desantis wins lmao
I think so too, but I'm not laughing
@@alex_blue5802 i mean not funny-haha more like funny :o
@@xCandieAndiex I know what you meant I was just being flippant. Obviously none of us want that scenario.
This
Those are the liberals that even liberal voters get exasperated towards
I appreciate the balance you strike between recognizing the importance of keeping republicans out of office and also shitting on the half incompetent half equally implicated Democrat party.
Edit: I’m positive that when this lady talks about the threat of fascism she’s just thinking noo muh abortions gone
Edit 2: 15:08 and the whole world is saying Marianne Williamson would lose the general! So grow a spine and debate!
"As long as it doesn't affect me I dont care!"
Thats her moto! 🙄🙄🙄
Progressive Democrats: nooo we need a primary to push the party left and get fresh new ideas 😭
Biden: SODAAAAAAA 🔥🔥🤣💯
Maybe by running against Biden, Williamson can force Biden to argue for better policies to appeal to democrat voters and become more competitive (not that she is likely to win at all but still).
I’m still voting for her and people should really stop underestimating her since Biden approval ratings are abysmal.
She actually thinks us Europeans wouldn't have done anything to support Ukraine without Uncle Joe giving us a call first.. Hilarious..
I mean... Wich europeans you talking about? Cause the big boys centainly do not seem to have gladly helped
@@leonake4194 I think you mistaken, there was no hesitation, and i also note that some people credit Biden with gathering the support for Ukraine and leading that, being a total Biden stan..., i can categorically say that is not what happened.
Ukraine support was and is fairly consistent and strong, Germany, Poland, Denmark, Finland(Borders Russia), France, Portugal, UK(some Rightwing media is trying in part to discredit that now) and so on, there are almost no countries not suppporting Ukraine strongly, you might guess some of them, ... Hungary.
I’m not even 2 minutes into this and I’m already cringing into the nether-realm bc of her
0:53 maintaining the status quo, is not a liberal tenet, it’s a conservative one.
you have to understand that the Democratic Party *is* conservative by nature. Neoliberalism is just an offshoot of conservatism.
Remember: today’s Democrats are Raegan’s conservatives, minus the Catholicism.
Exactly. They’re all conservatives.
Liberalism is the status quo
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Do you k ow what the status quo even means?
Obviously not, if you think it’s a tenet of change.
@@uncomfortabletruth3831 "it's a tenet of _change"_
You misspelled _status quo_
I’ve always thought Politics Girl has an ominous look about her that you typically only see with republicans/MAGA. Her eyes are that lighter shade of blue that constantly make her look angry. It’s a very common trait that you find amongst the more culty members of the conservative evangelical crowd (think Kenneth Copeland). I don’t think she’s doing the democrats any favors as far as optics go 😳
*also, I’m very aware this is a rather shallow assessment on my part, and I freely admit to that. I guess it’s just a primal response from my subconscious. I’m sure Politics Girl is a decent person in real life, and not on the same level as a far right Christian nationalist type you find in the conservative world.
Vaush: This isn't normal Democrat. This is...Advanced Democrat!"
Republicans have RINOS. We have something better and scarier- DINOS!
Yes democratic primary but whomever wins said primary needs to be able to capture the vote of all the people that didnt vote them through the primary. I understand where she is comping from but yes that is not democratic. Vote blue because the opposition is a religion.
I mean, if you do look at it objectively, there are so many things that Biden has been bad on that I can criticize interms of failure in policy.
Remember the idea he had on making a council or team that would evaluate whether the US needed a supreme court expansion which he could appoint and fill?
Crickets on that council. And now we have Roe v Wade overturned. That's not 100% on Biden, but he bears some responsibility for it.
Vaush always ignores the silent majority within democrat voters: LaRouche Democrats
Ok, Ig i didn't see it the same way i saw when i first saw it. I just interpreted this as her saying that we can't afford to risk our election with infighting. idk just my view.
Nah to put down the Republican insurrection you just need to spend 100 military points by using “Harsh Treatment”
I’m actually going to defend Politics Girl for what she defends, which isn’t really neoliberalism as much as preserving what little democracy we currently have. I still stan a liberal Karen over the fascist alternative
On the one hand, "do the minimum" does seem to be a core tenet of American liberalism. On the other hand, it's very telling that the Democrats aren't able to follow the fairly obvious tactics Vaush describes at the end. I have mixed feelings about the whole "controlled opposition" thing.
bababooey
This is the highest IQ argument in the comments. And I agree 👍
I’m guessing her favorite show is The View.
This isn't your average liberalism. This is advanced liberalism.
"Racism ended in the 1960's and Bill Maher is my favorite late night comedian' ass Democrats.
Point taken. Who can beat the fascists?
2020 just applied a tourniquet, we still have to stop the bleed.
Oh yeah she's in the comments. This is probably the most attention she's ever received.
Vaush should have interviewed her. Hopefully a better one than his Marianne Williamson yucking it up snooze fest
probably not since she has over 500k on tiktok
Biden did exceed my expectations. None of his accomplishments went far enough but they were finally going in tge right direction
The main issue is we did throw someone with unique, amazing ideas into the mix once and then the establishment told us that it was Hillary's turn to win. Then Bernie had to sit down. And then Hillary lost. And we got Trump.
I'm not saying this woman speaking in the video is right, but there is at least something to sticking with someone that will at least cater to the whims of the people. Someone familiar. Who really has the best chance of doing better than Joe i n a primary?
Jesus i hate the fact that people get on their soap box. Literally she is speaking like she believes she is the main character. Democrats need to be more Democratic. Simple as that.
Could the internal processes of the parties be related to the party swap?
"We have option X or Y. Option X is arguably less destructive than option Y. Therefore, No changes must be applied to X". Her logic is flawless, especially if you believe we live in a society. Very brave.
4:20 that aged incredibly poorly, Vaush
Why are you even signal boosting this woman? Who is she? She's nobody
Are you listening David Pakman?
She will not get OUT of my feed the past few weeks
Ironic that you say we need to primary the incumbent, then say that narrative is important.
Trump bullying the GOP to not have a fair primary in 2019 was part of the problem I had with him. I like Biden and I can understand the sentiment, but have the primary so we don’t mirror the more fascist tendencies of the MAGA crowd.
I dont think she was saying we shouldnt have primaries, i think she was talking about the focus, of some people, but like Vaush , cutting in to a short and drawing conclusions on very little ground, i would have to look into it rigorously. But the things i have seen from her doesnt indicate to me that it was what she meant.
My guess is she talking about people that are focusing lot of energy for the purpose of finding a candidate to take over Biden as a priority.
She just doesn't have the spoons to do democracy today...
I cannot tell you how many people i know who voted for Biden and Obama are thinking of voting for trump back in. For all of the successes Biden has had, they're not enough to affect a majority of even the middle class, radically change the trajectory of the country, or its foreign policy. Combine that with inflation, and you get people wanting trump back, even when they're part of a minority that Trump attacked. We need someone better, and the complacency demonstrated in this video brought us Trump in the first place.
We need someone who gets people excited. This is absolutely not the time for more of the same.
"I've said this before, and I'll say it again" is something he has indeed said before, and he will say it again
Agree that this was kind of stupid, but there's no need to be cruel and nasty to Nancy. She is a good person who wants the world to be better.
It should also be noted that she was just recently invited to the White House
Is it just me or doesn't she look a bit like Phoenix Marie?
Politics Girl? Please she looks older than Meloni
Wow you sound like Jimmy Dore...
I am once again asking Democrats to improve
idk Vaush. Most of what she says is *not* inaccurate. I still think she's missing the idea that a primary can force Biden even MORE to the left which would be great, but democracy teetering on a knife's edge is spot on.
The problem She's explaining is right, but her solution is all wrong. If we keep supporting establishment candidates, we'll always be on the knife's edge. I remember back in 2016, we HAD to put all our support behind Hillary because Trump was that much of a threat. Democrats are always playing defense against the Republicans.
The only way to get off that knife's edge is to push Democrats further left. Support more progressive policies, and fight against gerrymandering and voter suppression.
@@Moh4a4d
No, we haven't been on that knife's edge to the same extent. There has never been a former president who attempted a coup both through legal wriggling *and* violence who is STILL the frontrunner for re-election in his party.
In 2016, I was Bernie or Bust and ended up voting Green. When I now see what that did to abortion rights, I deeply regret how effective that anti-establishment propaganda was.
Here's the part you and Vaush are missing: Democrats don't care if they lose. Ultimately, they're still economic elites who will live comfortably with or without tossing a bone to Progressives. They'll still be able to get their abortions, sleep with whomever they want, etc. There is no "punishing" them by making them lose outside of humiliation, which they don't care about too much.
@@Moh4a4d Was that what it was like, i dont remember it like that, i dont think that many did that?
Trump was a fairly unknown quantity.
I would say the comments about Trump at the time was more about doubt about his temperament, which i think in the mirror was justified in the extreme, he was worse than we feared!
no one over 65 should be allowed to be on a ballot, at this point AGE LIMITS are the only fix
Why, i think you suffer from ageism, me personally think that no one below 65 should be allowed on the ballot(second sentence was a joke..)
So you have crazy envy. Nice.
Those bananas will never be bread :(
This was a realy good vaush segment
Third
You think she intends to eat the bananas but then gets a little too tipsy on wine and just winds up throwing them out each week?
I'll say this once: oof
"politics girl".... 😂😂😂
like no one else can do these things but Joe...
no. it's because it's convenient for Jamie Dimon and the elites to have him there...
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How dare you weigh the risk of a Ginsburg like backfire deep into the 2024 campaign season!!
How do these people still exist? Such an obsolete way of thinking. And it never, ever served people well.