Baaaaasssssss watu wa diaspora tumefikiwa in a special way! Finally, I hope these parents will understand from a parents point of view because they definitely don't listen to us ( their children) we are expected to be grateful for the opportunity ( which we are, in part) but is it really an experience worth having? Really at the end of the day, these parents should leave an open space for us to come home should we be unable to cope with the challenges of being in a foreign country. In all honesty, if you've never lived it, you'll never understand it from our point of view, albeit mine has been a successful story, the journey has been less than exciting especially when i watch my fellow classmates really living their best lives at uni back home, I somewhat feel a little robbed of my early twenties experience or even the chance to mature at an appropriate pace, having been in Australia chasing school fees, accommodation, work and permanent residency. Granted I have achieved the desirable outcome, to date its not an experience I advocate to anyone who is really not ready to leave home and toil here without a goal in mind especially if they are very young. A part of me feels as though if i could do it again maybe I would have stayed home instead , I say that with no disrespect for the opportunity but with an understanding of both sides. Right now if a friend calls me and says I've had enough, I tell them go home, tuko na kwetu at the end of the day!
I’m not a student myself, I’m living and working in uk but I totally understand what you as I feel like abroad you are not living your life you are basically only surviving, could write a whole book about what life abroad does to you, to conclude I wouldn’t advise anyone to send their child abroad
That’s moving. My father totally refused to send any of us abroad for undergrad. At the time we never understood why but now that I am older, I know that my children will grow and study under my watch up to the age of 25.
Not from Kenya, but from one of the East African countries. I will tell you this man is speaking the truth! Came to US at 20 on student visa, and when I tell you the struggles I faced and all the mistakes I made???😢 It’s by God’s grace that I am alive. Since then, I started struggling with my mental health. It’s only now that I have slowly started rediscovering myself. It’s not easy at all….
Give yourself GRACE & measure yourself BY yourself NOT BY ANYONE ELSE ! Cause we ALL have different paths in life ! CELEBRATE YOURSELF for the FAR you’ve come & see that you will THRIVE where you are. Joseph in the Bible rose to 2nd in command to Pharaoh in a FOREIGN LAND ! GOD has the final word over your life !!!
Same struggles here as an F1 student yet I loved the struggles that had shaped my life. Can we stop whining pls. The planes were flying why didn’t you all Go back of ur country was that great?! You weren’t held to ur neck to stay?! C’mon now mental health is overrated. Nowadays a few struggles n people start claiming mental health issues. Work hard n move on
This explains the many cases of mental health issues in the diaspora. The pressure is too great on this young minds. I have learnt a lot listening to this interview. As a mother of teenagers and a parent living in the diaspora, the math isn’t mathing! Well In Dr. Kochei! Thank you Lynn for another amazing interview.
One of the BEST conversations we have ever had on this show. Life abroad is great only after you have stabilized and figured out how to live. But the process is long and painful. Canada, Dubai, USA, Australia, Qatar name it! And us who are out here won't post that bit. We post only what looks beautiful and rosy. It is terrible for struggling people. Ni ile we can't just help all kenyans but some live in very deplorable conditions out here
Hi Lynn, this is a perfect talk. I came to Germany at 22. Never had the clues in how to stay abroad, cultural shock, hustling to get money for tuition and meeting the bills, people back home are calling you for money. I had to go through depression for 1 year and 6months, taking anti- depression tablets and going for therapy for all that time. 😢 it’s hard, extremely hard. Worst of it all you can’t speak their language . Chaiii I ran mad. Thank you for this
OMG, Lynn!!!!!... Thank you so much. I am very emotional hearing this Conversation cause this was my life since coming to the USA. I was alone at 19. A girl who never left home without being accompanied. No experience. No social skills and had no one to support me. While I do not regret coming here, the journey has been rough. If it were not for God I do not know if I would be here today. People do not understand at all so thank you for this. As for my family?... my wounds are just starting to heal cause the matharau is real.
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
@@lynnirungu; Get a DL if you can before you leave and learn some driving skills. It will be your lifeline. You will have so many more better quality opportunities to choose from than if you did not. You can juggle between work and other activities a much better quality of life.
@@lynnirunguthe distances are too long to walk tuseme Westlands to Athi River and the public transport may be unavailable which is why people have cars. And driving class is so expensive huko.
A much needed conversation!! I'm so glad that this is becoming public discourse because life is not all 'rosy' in the 'diaspora'. And as you've mentioned, we should absolutely hold agencies accountable that provide misleading information because it can literally come at the cost of a student's life. Thank you for always being a champion of change and real conversations, Lynn 💐💐
Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else. Classic case in hand. Take risks. If you win you will be happy. If you lose you will be wiser. Deep in the oceans there is riches beyond compare, but if its safety you seek, it is on the shore. Don't leave your country.
Thanks Doc. Kochei for that Candid show. My thoughts those who can afford to educate their children abroad without fundraisings and help from anybody the better. We are in different generations with our children so we better be careful. Let children do undergraduate course in Kenya and then masters and PHD abroad. Thanks
@@phyllisanyona5966. Some are just outright Lazy, expecting a lot for no effort. Even when housed and fees paid for they will still complain and wake up at 12pm in a country where every business is crying out for workers. Lazy lot.
I am in Europe but i promise i will never get old here ptooo wacha ikae...full of stress,bills after bills the more you earn the more you spend...you cant even grow or advance financially only working like a slave earning and paying that's the life ya majuu. As you come my brothers and sisters be prepared psychologically this is not our home.
From diaspora, I agree with this guy. Life here is not easy. Depression is real here.Hata afadhali the English speaking countries, some other countries have their own language you first need to learn before you work. I was one month old abroad and before I could even know where to get food, my family was asking for their cut. Haki black tax!! And when I said I dont have they stopped talking to me. Depression set in.
Over 20 years ago I was talking to a work colleague whose children were completing high school. In my wisdom I advised her not to send her children abroad and let the children do their first degree in Kenya as they mature. She took up my advice and was very happy. She did send her children to Australia for their Master's degrees and the children coped well.
If you can't succeed here, people usually think the narrative will be different outside. There are as many opportunities here in Kenya like in the outside world.
I lived in the States for 17 years since i was 23. All i can say is all that i went through in the States made me a much better person than i would have been had i stayed here. I didn't manage to graduate from University but the life lessons i learnt, i can't exchange with anything else. I learnt how to work with integrity, accountability and work ethic. Most of this life lessons are hard to learn while living in Kenya.
More Volume Please....Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else. Classic case in hand.
There's a difference between going abroad when one is still very young and when they are old/mature. At 23, someone's already mature enough to know what they want in life and have probably made that decision themselves unlike a 15 year old kid who still needs parental guidance.
@@conniekabasharira7084 Why go overseas then if not prepared? is the question beg. Just failures whinging and giving excuse after excuse. No accountability. Failures love to whinge instead of taking action.
@@ring-tone278 how old are you? You actually sound very immature, you can try having a mature conversation for once, it's not that hard. Your comments seem like a projection of your own life, perhaps you're that lazy, unsuccessful entitled person who doesn't take accountability for their actions. See, I can assume the same about you 😉. You yourself must be a failure in life, good luck with that attitude
I went to the US at 14 years old, straight from class 8. I had no family there completely. The culture shock, the loneliness, I ended up falling into severe depression. I thank God I was able to complete my high school and University in the US and came out in one piece. Although it is an experience that has changed my life positively, I would never recommend it to anyone who has not done their due diligence. Immediately I completed my Undergrad and was grown enough to make my own decision, I chose to come back to Kenya and I don't regret that decision to come back home. Life abroad is really hard
Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else. Classic case in hand. Take risks. If you win you will be happy. If you lose you will be wiser. Deep in the oceans there is riches beyond compare, but if its safety you seek, it is on the shore. Don't leave your country.
@@ring-tone278 Arrogant assumptions such as yours explain the lack of progress we face as a continent at times. Should you follow this conversation well then maybe you might understand the topic at hand. I am not a failure for your information, as a matter of fact I am doing quite well back home, my mental health is thriving. It is people like you who propel the stigma and fear that if you come back home after staying abroad you are a failure. I cannot count how many friends I have who want to come back home but their main concern is "but what will people think about me?" I stayed in the US for 10 years and I missed such a huge portion of my life, to date I struggle to bond with my family because I spent my critical age abroad. I struggle to bond with people my age because as my age mates were being children, I was busy working to source for my fee and as such I find there is a bit of a maturity gap. So kindly do not come here to label me as a failure because I made the decision to come back home. Who told you one has to stay abroad to be successful in life? To each his/her own. My definition of success and happiness is clearly not the same as yours.
This is a candid talk. Parents we are getting it all wrong. Even within the country, the children are sent to college's and university's without fee and upkeep money and we expect them to survive in a new environment with nothing...we are literally trading these kids....the world is too harsh, for these kids. Thank you for the talk.
Lynn, thank you for having this conversation. First off I would love to be on your show someday. This issue is critical and apast due conversation. I came to the US as a 19 yrs old from a middle class family being raised by our widowed mom. I had a great foundation which I credit to my success. I am a practicing medical doctor in the US and I can attest to how challenging life is to young adults who come in with student visas without a clear plan for financial, emotional and social support. You guys have truly lifted the lid and I can’t wait to see where this conversation goes. Please let’s prepare our kids, families and community.
Our own Country has failed the Youth and that is WHY parents have to look for choice B. Better go Abroad and learn how to do life than get frustrated tarmacking in Motherland. After all life is a journey. It was never smooth journey for Abraham either when God asked him to migrate.. Hard Truth
I took my son at 21, i almost lost him to mental health issues, i was full of regrets. Too much pressure between job and school, they don't get social life.
@@joycepeter1284 i was able to educate her to degree level here in kenya i was ready to educate her for her masters here in kenya but she was crazy to go to the UK which i could not afford her untie intervened and decided to sponsor her
Great conversation..not only talking about those going to diaspora..but also transition from high school to campus...let's learn to teach our children basic life skills.. always supported the NYS program requirement before joining campus... Good work Lynn
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
Lynn thank you very much for your guest and you for bringing that very informative context . I took my daughter to Canada when she was 19 years old and I met the family she was staying with. We paid her school and accommodations till she finished school. She was lucky to have jobs here and there but it was her savings. When she finished university she had money to start her life. She got a job and I am happy. The moral of all that one has to gather for her or his child abroad. Information is power
Hello Lyn,thank you for bringing this topic,I am living in Australia.Its true what your guest is saying.Life is not easy here in Australia and especially for the post secondary students.They are inexperienced, no life managing skills and then there are some kenyan hyenas here in Australia waiting for this kids to introduce them to partying and use them as they wish.Mental stress is real and the situation is becoming unmanageable .Dear parents prepare your children adequately and bear in mind that it will take a year for this children to start settling down,therefore prepare to pay school fees.The Australia government immigration laws must be followed or else send back to sender
@blessed am also in Australia, South Australia to be specific. I agree with above 3 quarters of his conversation however, i work in Mental Health Department and i do not agree with the over 45 children who are said to be detained in Rehabilitation Departments.
@@marimarie-7the statistics sound cooked as well. 45 is too many, Ideally that is 2.25% of Kenyans in SA. The story adds up but those statistics don’t make sense
True true, Am here and see very children who sat KCSE in 2022 already here and am just lost of words on how they will survive when me who even after graduating and working in Kenya for over ten years still find it troublesome to settle
Someone finally said it. Thank you Doc. Its pure exploitation from Australia and Canadian government while parents back home can't keep calm telling other chama women how their kids are studying abroad. I asked a lady if its wise to send 2M for school fees but instead start a business for the child while they study in Kenya. She said I was jealous. Well, the stress levels are just going ⬆️
This is very true. Dr. Young people are suffering. I'm a Tanzanian who lives in the UK. I love you, LYNN. You are helping many to open our eyes in different ways
I have lived and studied for a while in S.K. and even though it wasn’t easy, it has turned me into a resilient person that knows what she wants out of life. You have to know yourself, what you want and intentional about the life u live and company u keep nje coz you’ll experience some tough times but also really good times. And yes, I think there should be a conversation that should be had about the reality of it.
It all starts from kenyan parents "investing" in their children and wanting to "harvest". This is the wrong principle completely, and from there nothing good can come. Parents shouldnt have kids if they dont know what parenting is. No kenyan parent in my experience has any clue what parenting is. Ni kulima na kuvuna tu. They send you to study and then expect you to start sending dollars immediately because they grow on trees. Si usome ukifanya kazi kama watoto wengine?
100% my guy... When I moved to Europe is when I realized kumbe I can even be way better than a minister 's child... Some of this youth what they only know is bangi, vikali, no attending school.... All this because of drugs. I regret how some of the rich parents bring up their children.... I am even happy growing up as an orphan. Mimi huona this Europe kama shamba fulani hivi.... Wakati wengine wamelala mimi niko macho nachimba madini zilizoibwa africa and bring them back home. Hope one day Lynn will give me an interview....
Thanks very much Lynn for this conversation. It's good for people to know what people go through on the other side of the world. Not only the students even those people who go to hustle outside the country endure a lot. We continue to stay because some of us its the only plan we have and if we come back home everything will be in a mess again. And nobody will ever understand until you find yourself in those shoes. I went to school and at the same tym working I don't know how I passed, but am always thankful to God
As a former international student myself and mother of now adult children I have seen the despair of many of our people here in Australia. My aim is to provide emotional and counselling support if needed to help all 'our' children (from any part of Africa as I am not from Kenya) and those facing challenges including depression and risk of suicide. Our knowledge and experiences should not be in vain but be used to help, guide and support those already on this journey.
@@wanguimwash7326 Sorry for the late response. I am in Melbourne and will leave a WhatsApp number/email and can organise a time once I hear from you. Meanwhile stay safe and take care.
Thanks Lynn for this show. It has improved my thinking regarding our children careers. Our president must watch this. Gentleman like Dr. Albert should be CS to make improvement to our country. Kindly tell him I salute him🙏
Dr. Kochei, that's what we call living your God given purpose in the marketplace. This is great our communities need to be educated on contemporary issues affecting our society. Continue being the iron that sharpens other iron. We hear you.
Here is the problem with the well to do, so called middle class Kenyan parent: From when a child is born, there is very little engagement with the child. You get a maid or two to look after your baby. Understandably you work 8-5 during weekdays, however on weekends you still spend you time with girls and boys. In short in a 7-day week you probably spend the equovalent of one day as quality time with your children. They grow up being taught and attached to different maids until its time to go to boarding, when you ship them off to interact with teachers and other teens. they finish high school and off you send them abroad. at what point have you had time to closely interact with your child and get to know who they are as a person?? of course out here in the west they are exposed to all sorts of vices. Its only a matter of time before that child's life gets ruined either by drugs, depression, hopelessnes or all of the above. Kenyan parents need to spend more time with their children and stop being second hand parents. ,stop this maid culture!
what about the working class parents.They work in order to put food on the table and pay school fees and house bills.That's why the house helps are issues we can't debate about because there's no alternative
My thoughts are that it doesn't matter the age you move, if you are not prepared to go to local universities, you are not prepared to move to international ones. Our high school education does not prepare us to live globally, we do not understand the effects of racism and capitalism, etc, unless you choose to educate yourself, even a 40-year-old moving will struggle. Get fully sponsored scholarships- research immigration laws before leaving. Some people thrive, others do not. It is not an all-fit-in-one model.
I found that living with host families helps quite a lot. Families who intergret you into their family. Especially for students instead of going straight to live on compus. I lived with a Canadian family and let me tell you, best thing I ever did. I had adults to guide me in the right direction. They included me in everything they did. Be it Christamas, they celebrates my birthday, be it going to pick strawberries, go on road trips. I did not have room to indulge in bad groups. I brought my friends to their house and introduced them. If my host dad felt a certain way about someone he would say something. Host families sound out dated but they are helpful.
Lynn am soo happy for holding this conversation. WEST school have been glamorouried leaving out the core quest under addressed..I am in Us and came here as a student@ Lynn the shock and yet I was over 21 was hardest just to find nd that pivotal point where I could balance job .school.social life. Demands of life my God am still recovering my balance to date 20 years later.. parents STOP🛑🛑 and educate Ur kids prior sending them abroad...
Lynn thank you for extending this conversation on your platform. We need such conversation to secure the future of our children. This is the conversation that will empower parents to protect their children and provide a safe future for their children.
Thanks very much Lynn for this conversation. I agree with the sentiments here. I moved to the UK for my postgraduate studies on a full scholarship and here are my two cents: 1. Do EXTENSIVE RESEARCH before making applications. 2. Best to have a full scholarship to have a better student life. (May take time to get one but well worth it! Took me two years of applications!) 3. I’d advise doing a first degree in Kenya. While on your first degree, take the time to do research on courses, scholarships and life abroad. 4. Take time to learn to be and to live alone (life is quite individualistic here). 5. Manage your expectations (it’s not all heaven on earth here!)
Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else for their lack of preparation. Classic case in hand. Take risks. If you win you will be happy. If you lose you will be wiser. Deep in the oceans there is riches beyond compare, but if its safety you seek, it is on the shore.
Great conversation. I went abroad on a student visa. It is not easy. Everything this man is talking about is what happens on the ground. Parents only pay for flight tickets and everything else ni kujipanga. We pay our school fees and pay bills. To make things worse, parents expect us to send them money. They even expect us to send money to our siblings.
I want to thank LNN and Dr. Albert for bringing this issue up. Albert you are very right. I did my Bachelors in Kenya and moved to IE for Masters as an adult. But let me tell you, the culture shock, the character development here is real even for us who are mature. Don't forget that most countries limit the working hours for students to 20 hours a week or less. So how do you pay rent? How do you survive? Depression is real for Kenyan students abroad. We need to wake up and acknowledge this sleeping giant. Vile umesema Albert, kwa ground vitu ni different.
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
You must have lied to get admitted as the universities request for financial proof that you can pay for ur studies and campus life. Now, I came here for my undergrad n l will be the first to say that it shaped my life and want the best for my children. Depression starts from somewhere else other than struggles. If struggles causes depression then Kenya is full of depressed people. Do you know how many jobs we did to pay for bills and schools?! U aren’t alone n yet most of us have loved and laugh about it. Now we have weak ones who start acting that they should have been handed everything on a silver spoon. Kenyans Kenyans Kenyans?! Did we forget our history?! Parents worked too hard all day yet we want what exactly?! I’m disgusted with all of you acting like we have it bad. Actually the planes were working why did you all go back home?! Kenya has never blocked you
@@estherw-fnpofficialchannel3163 Volume please. No accountability and expecting Free things. Its mostly Failures whinging and complaining about everything. Failures love a shoulder to cry on and pour their heart. Move overseas, work hard, get paid, pay bills like everyone else, save some, stop whining and complaining. That is life.
I understand we may have had different experiences, but it's important not to discredit my honest account. If you have concerns about my visa application, let's address them factually and respectfully rather than making assumptions.
I'm currently facing same mental stress after my aunt brought me here to care for her kids. My spine hurts so much, everyday i cry myself to sleep. I can't live like this for the rest of my life. God help me finish my contract so i can go home even if it will be shameful. I already see myself taking my own life if i continue living here. The grass is not always green
I felt as this was directed to me. Came to Europe when I was 19yrs with only 30eur in my pocket. It was the only thing my mum could afford. But let me tell you maina, I don't know how I survived. I got the best friends who showed me around and how to manover work and school. If I had fallen with the wrong friends, I would have been dead by now. Thank you my big sisters. But surely mama, I wasn't ready for this life. But am glad you took that hard décision.
This is a great conversation. I write theses and dissertations for our African students in diaspora. The discussions I've had with them have convinced me not to leave this country.
Not only in diaspora even in Kenya things are bad long days are gone when you are happy because your kid has gone to university it has become deadly only by God's grace they finish in one peace
I agree. Even in Kenya, things are tough. GOK seems to have given up and are now asking Kenyans to go look for jobs out there, instead of welcoming experts back home so that we build Kenya. People should find opportunities wherever they can.
I graduated but let me tell you....I got nothing from it...I had to come to Europe and hustle where I settled after two years...maisha majuu I can't tell someone it's bed of roses 🌹
Thank you so much, Dr. Albert, for candidly discussing this issue. Anyone at home who wants to come majuu please do your due diligent research; as said on the ground, things are not a bed of roses. Especially for international students, fees are exorbitantly high, and lifestyle is very difficult. Please, please, parents, make sure you know where your child is going, as mental health issues are real.
For me i wish i went to abroad. My classmates who left kenya are waay ahead of us who stuck around, i even went to a private university, kawaida sasa ni job struggle.. they started with struggle but now they are ahead, we who stayed started with ease now we are struggling. And its my parent who refused to let me go, and he could afford it. Ofcourse there are challenges to be expected being young and in a foreign country.. but i still think its better to struggle in your early 20s life than in your 30s still living with parents . 🤷🏽♀️
This is what I was talking about. We all struggle in different ways. You are better off when you have options and opportunities. Having an education and no where to use is very tough. When I said thinks work abroad, even @Lynn is laughing with others saying I left before independence. Middle class and the poor are suffering at home. WE can cover up but that is the truth.
Finally...now may be people wont judge me for coming back from germany with nothing after 3 years.... i was 19 ....the pressure to work to live and study... i had no time to study.... it destroyed me... the sacrifice my dad made to get me there...eh ! it stays with you...
You didn't come back with nothing. You are New Kenya. You have skills and a voice that can broaden our understanding of what it means to be Kenyan. We need you. Welcome home.
These diaspora-related discussions are way overdue. Thank you Lynn for shining a light on this matter. It is the realest pandor's box. I also wish us Kenyans in diapora kept it real with our families back home. Transparency will change the lives of others. Special Note to Kenyans in Kenya: Don't ever feel inferior or intimidated by anyone just because they live abroad. You are probably happier and more fulfilled than they are.
This is not happening outside Kenya alone but also just within our universities where children get to universities and parents just quit supporting them financially. Cases are higher to the boychild where most of them are left to fend for themselves and hustle to be able to continue pursuing their studies. I have interacted with such people who then end up doing drugs as well as sell drugs just to survive as it is the easiest way they can access to survive. Since they have to pay their rent plus other things. It is so sad!
God bless you my brother for this ministry to our Kenyan parents. Blessings to Lynn too . Parents in kenya some messages are heavenly so please listen and take note. What this Elder is saying is true my sisters and brothers. It’s very hard on children here. Please have mercy on your children .If you care , please listen to this.
It is not just the agents that are defrauding the international students and their parents. Even the Australian Government itself is the main culprit. For example, all degree programs require industrial attachment or placement in corporate organisations as part of the study program. There is an unwritten rule that 90% of Australian companies both private and public do not offer attachment opportunities to international students. People can apply and meet all criteria but as soon as they determine you are on a visa - that is the end of the road 🛣️. It is unfathomable especially given the thousands of $$$ they charge for international courses. International students are a milking cow for the system.
Very true Lived in the UK for 24 yrs.came exactly after form 4.thought I was going to study but after 1week started working.my visa expired which I didn’t know as all visa processing was done by my relatives.so nilikuwa chini ya maji coz I couldn’t travel back to Kenya and no work as I’m illegal in the Uk. Was very clever as if I stayed in Kenya right now I would be a Lawyer/Accountant as my friends.
Only send your kids to study abroad fully sponsored not where they are half sponsored and the other fee they have to cater for themselves. Your child is safe on full Scholarship which involves even medical cover and flights. I'm thankful to all my friends who had opportunity of full Scholarship in Us& China and made to finish without the trauma of being subjected to work to pay their fee.
Very true i brought my daughter to Europe she lived here for 12 yrs and she couldn't make it, she decided to go back home and now she is very happy enjoying her life and am happy for her, please parents let us learn the lesson
Thanks for this topic. l hope parents will educate themselves from this discussion. As parents we want the best for our kids and we forget their capabilities. l am in US and l have tried to talk to friends relatives concerning school life here for undergrad but the say lam jealous and don’t want the best for their children. Can this episode go viral to reach most parents. Thank lynn!!
My daughter is in Canada and anytime she feel the pressure the first question we all ask her... " Do you want to come back home?" But her answer has always been "I like it here" we pay school fees, accommodation and upkeep though it's so expensive
It's even hard for the locals who live here in Canada. Students die by suicide especially in the winter with assignment pressure, exams etc. So how about an international student who has crossed the sea to get to this new environment.
Hi Lynn, it's always a pleasure to watch LNN. I've been following you quite a while. You're doing a great job. M. K. Albert is a genuine tool. I 've been living abroad for the last 23 years. Izo habari zinaitajika ku elezwa to rescue families. In fact, am in process of writing a book about it.
I went to Canada at 19 and I’m so grateful for the experience. U of T built my confidence that I can do anything if I apply myself to it. Was given opportunities to work with professors and in the library and had the best bosses. Only one summer I struggled finding jobs to subsidize my living and some tuition but even that taught me work ethic and not to fear hard work. I also had amazing friends that felt like family from all over the world. The thing that depressed me was seeing poverty at home on their media full time.
Well said. We have a lot of Lazy minded folks here who just to whinge and complain about everything. They want to be handed free stuff on a plate and not have to work for. Life is not free passage, you have to work for it.
@@ring-tone278 I don’t think it’s laziness , it could be lack of mental preparation. And sometimes that is something you need coaching to build (at home or in school).. whether you went to public schools like me or international schools. We have great teachers here but our education system needs more investment. I just had the right tools to deal with depressive thoughts like being aware enough of myself to “join a college choir” to gain community and do things I liked that grounded me as I hustled.
Lyn. Thanks for sharing this video. Some of us came to diaspora having some experience and first degree. This still was a struggle coming without funds to support self. People manage if they have a purpose and vision. It’s not easy and one needs a lot of commitment and sacrifice to make it.
I personally think almost all post graduate university courses are not needed in the West. They are mostly looking for carpenters, builders, plumbers, tailors and many such jobs. If you want to study abroad, look for a skill that is very useful in Africa, study it and come back to Africa and use the skill to develop Africa. That's my opinion.
Very good conversation, having been abroad, if you don't have anyone or relatives in the country you are traveling to, don't go especially for the young lads who have never faced life.
@Lynn Ngugi, This is a very wonderful talk and we appreciate the effort. One of the major reasons leading to many of us going outside the country is or seing abroad as solution is the life situation in our country. No jobs for us young people, loan intrest is soo high that you can't take loan and build up your business. Many learned people are under stress due to clueless life in our beloved motherland country.
I left kenya in 1995 to study. Over the years i didnt get ONE ticket to come home for holidays. I had THREE graduations, and no one bothered showing up. Then i start working and everyone is like why dont you ever visit us in kenya? Really????????????????
You are too selfish, just eat your money, no one needs it here. Why are people aborad so arrogant and think that we need their money? We are happy here with little or much😮
Very authentic conversation. Thank you Lynn and Dr. Albert . Lesson: We are accountable to God on how we raise our children and Let's Pray for our Children. Mentorship, Mentorship
I live in EUROPE and truly Lynn your guest is telling TOTAL TRUTHS and Kenya leaders need to listen and develop their institutions for their future generation.These Kenya young generation, when come to Europe they become agents or customers to criminals .Most become drug users or drug traffickers and many suffer the SHAME of their parents' political Status in Kenya since parents are known as "Corrupt leaders"
This is the best information ever...Thanks Doc for the eye opener...I miss your sincere engagement at CAF..I represented Nyandarua County Assembly. 2013-2017...parents should be made to realize that we have the best education in Kenya. Kindly organize national civic education for the same.. As a professional teacher,(resigned) we shall stand with you. .
After I managed to bring my brother to US as a student visa so many people are texting me how they can get the same student visa,let me tell you ? the struggle is real,I live in US yes! But still I’m struggling to pay for my brother and pay my bills 💵 I have 3kids but life in America ???is not a joke.I didn’t know what I was getting myself into I trust God in this process.
It is not easy to sponsor a student here. Imagine paying international tuition. Keep on trying but people will not understand kwanza having kids here is not easy with the expensive childcare
God Bless you and hope your brother appreciates all you are doing and will also work hard and support you. The worst is when one brings their siblings and the siblings don't want to work or go to school or learn a skill to help out. That is really painful.
That is one of the best candid discussion l have ever listened too in this platform. This guy has opened a conversation that most parents dread and some have made wrong decisions for their children due to lack of knowledge .Thanks for the enlightenment we cannot afford to mortgage the lives of our children .
Am in America, came as adult and life is hard to figure out it took me1 year .then u meet 20year old Kenyan kid came with student visa , depressed broke most end being alcoholic and drop outs .some just start working, to get work permit with a student visa is hard very hard .if u can't support your kid in America when they come to school please don't dare send them .visiting visa way much better than a student visa if u want to apply for a work permit in America.
I Agee, visitor's visa is better than student visa as you can change it to a different visa type but it's not equally easy but much better than student visa. Also whoever you surround yourself with when you arrive in the USA it's very important as these people you surround yourself with help make or break your life in the USA.
Any experience that takes you out of your comfort zone (home) is an endeavor to make you grow as a person! Unless you are under the age of 18 years, embrace the experience and learn from the challenges that come about, learn about resilience! Any older person with real life experience will teach you that nothing good comes out of the comfort zone. We should raise children who are prepared to face world! There is no running from challenges
Thank you Sheila Omollo - Very well put, i cannot add anything more! My dad pushed us beyond the limit growing up while in Primary school, it was Picking tea at histea farm, getting up at 3.00am to milk the dairy cows, weeding maize field, harvesting during August holidays, planting to tilling by both oxen & Tractor.... Hated my dad & mum growing up, my mum couldn't give anyone food if they didn't show their day's work in the farm... Thought they were cruel my dear until they passed away & i found myself studying in the UK & raising my own fees, oooh boy didin't they prepare me so well, i found myself sailing through every challenge easily, be it night long 12 hour shifts to scrapping floors at hospitals & supermarkets, did it all till i joined the Royal Airforce & got my full citizeniship. Nothing was impossible at all bcoz of DAD what a man he was! He always reminded us of the University of Life.. Today i own my own Company contracting at Airbus in Toulouse France & speaking various languages... Thanks to my parents school of life! I have never run away from challenges like i see todays kids in Kenya!
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
lynn the best conversation before the end of 2023, this is for the parents who don't research before sending their children abroad. majuu sio lazima, people are making it big in kenya.
Went to India 1981....at 19. Shock shock shock.... Then came back after 5 years ...double shock. Try getting a job with your MBA which was new at that time ....over qualified and under experienced come back after 3 years.... I agree let children study at home and a course you discussed and weighed.
Thank you Lynn for this conversation. Can you be bringing more conversation like this how people/students suffer without having proper documentation when they’re outside there country ,and people at home they expect more of them.
Actually my sister went to UK for her masters, she became too thin.our father was telling her to remain in UK after her studies, but my sister refused and came back,right now she is a senior human resource manager in a big company. She told me her life wasn't for UK😅😅😅
This is one of the best conversation so far lyn and thank you so much for bringing it up,this guy is speaking my mind i have been asking myself the same question, people will go abroad in the name of when i reach there i will figure out...but when the get there reality hits so hard and you realize ooh actually things are alot different than where i came from oooh kumbe i need a good strategy to figure it out and if u ain't kin enough it hits you so hard and everything get messed up......this is educative i take my take🙏
I think it really depends on the kind of foundation to installed in the children growing up...I have a very close of mine,she's sent her three kids,all her kids actually,to Australia...they've studied so well,they attend church services as they did in Kenya...they serve in church...one of the sons who was the first to land there actually told the mum not to struggle sending money as he could manage paying his own fee and bills...only the first year the mother supported...now this lady travels to Ausie twice a year to check on them...To wrap up,it comes back to parents,your children will go astray even under your daily watch if you got no Godly principals guiding you as a family.But what Albert is saying is TRUE,ni kubaya.
I think parenting is the hardest thing..I have seen children of pastors and religious leaders go astray that is alcohol or drugs... Sometimes it's not about the upbringing, it can be peer influence and end life choices
Another point you must not be an absent parent keep contacts send them money visit them at least once a year. Stop the Black tendency of asking money know very well that they are studying.
Absolutely true but we tend not to follow what our parents taught us. I know of a good islam girl who clubs like crazy and the mother knows she's a saint. Unless tge child chooses to go away and you have a strategic plan and a back up plan , please kaa na mtoto wako
My take home -Let’s be responsible for the blessings God gave us -let’s prepare our children in advance here in our land before going to others -sit down and discuss things that are on the ground here in Kenya and the rest of the world(expectations )so as not to get a culture shock( depression) -Let them do why are good at and same time what valuable at the moment - Let’s pray for our children as parents - If blessed to go 1:10:24 out keep on check dont assume all is ok
live in New York and took my son after high school graduation to one of the best colleges in MA after 4 years I found that he was on the streets. By the grace of God he wasn't on drugs or sick or in prison. So we took him home and he starts again in New York city colleges and little by little he’s getting things together.I was miserable until I heard this interview about giving our children time to blossom. Thank you and let's continue learning how to raise our children.
I can deeply relate because I have had the toughest time of my life ever since I left for Canada at only 19. Its an experience ill never wish even for my worst enemy. I wish the parents understood the torture and how rough life can be out here. Not every child "young" person has a backbone to face foreign pressures that engulf ones you land.... someday we will tell our stories and some of the parents will not be able to take it💔
Thank you lyn and the guest for the Candid conversation Mr Kochei plse continue to help our children especially this agent in eldoret they are fleecing the parents without knowing go and get rid of the Crookes of agent in eldoret God bless you and Lyn ngugi
In abroad children do vocational jobs during holidays. In kenya they have workers and parents to work for them so it's hard for your children to fit in. Kenyan parents allow your children to work during holidays even if it's in your farms with your workers. Then they will fit in wherever they will go. I grew up that way. Even prince Harry and William worked in farms and charity organizations. There's a picture of Harry making bricks in Botswana. Learn from others. The culture of maids and workers for your children is not good.
Thank you Sir and Lynn for the information. The gentleman has really spoken passionately about the issue and it's upon us parents and children and anyone else who aspires to go abroad for the same to think hard. We really need people like you who speak and stand out for the truth and enlighten us for the benefit of our community and country.
You are the shoulder to lean on Mr. My son really wanted to go to Australia but I told him he can also achieve it here he is now 3rd yr in university just because his friends went there.... I told him not to compare himself to others
I did this as an adult and I know am not letting my daughter do this. The experience has not been easy,. especially the mental and emotional bit of it. Unless I'm going with my daughter, not letting her out of my sight to go through what I went through
Overseas is no place for Laziness and lazing around. Especially laziness of the mental kind. If you want to do that stay at home. It is an extremely fast paced environment and you must be equally agile and ready to change at every turn and change of plans. It is about accountability, accountability, and accountability for your actions and not blame others for failures. Full accountability - a challenge to many. You must constantly think on your feet, also a challenge for many people, hence all the negative accounts. Give a failure a shoulder to cry on and they will pour out their hearts to you to justify their failures and blame someone else. Which is all that is happening here on this forum. No accountability for self, Just whinging and self-pity, poor me, which doesn't help.
Baaaaasssssss watu wa diaspora tumefikiwa in a special way! Finally, I hope these parents will understand from a parents point of view because they definitely don't listen to us ( their children) we are expected to be grateful for the opportunity ( which we are, in part) but is it really an experience worth having? Really at the end of the day, these parents should leave an open space for us to come home should we be unable to cope with the challenges of being in a foreign country. In all honesty, if you've never lived it, you'll never understand it from our point of view, albeit mine has been a successful story, the journey has been less than exciting especially when i watch my fellow classmates really living their best lives at uni back home, I somewhat feel a little robbed of my early twenties experience or even the chance to mature at an appropriate pace, having been in Australia chasing school fees, accommodation, work and permanent residency. Granted I have achieved the desirable outcome, to date its not an experience I advocate to anyone who is really not ready to leave home and toil here without a goal in mind especially if they are very young. A part of me feels as though if i could do it again maybe I would have stayed home instead , I say that with no disrespect for the opportunity but with an understanding of both sides. Right now if a friend calls me and says I've had enough, I tell them go home, tuko na kwetu at the end of the day!
I hear you loud and clear 🙏
Volume plz
I’m not a student myself, I’m living and working in uk but I totally understand what you as I feel like abroad you are not living your life you are basically only surviving, could write a whole book about what life abroad does to you, to conclude I wouldn’t advise anyone to send their child abroad
That’s moving. My father totally refused to send any of us abroad for undergrad. At the time we never understood why but now that I am older, I know that my children will grow and study under my watch up to the age of 25.
Totally agree.
Not from Kenya, but from one of the East African countries. I will tell you this man is speaking the truth! Came to US at 20 on student visa, and when I tell you the struggles I faced and all the mistakes I made???😢 It’s by God’s grace that I am alive. Since then, I started struggling with my mental health. It’s only now that I have slowly started rediscovering myself. It’s not easy at all….
Thanks for being honest
Give yourself GRACE & measure yourself BY yourself NOT BY ANYONE ELSE ! Cause we ALL have different paths in life ! CELEBRATE YOURSELF for the FAR you’ve come & see that you will THRIVE where you are. Joseph in the Bible rose to 2nd in command to Pharaoh in a FOREIGN LAND ! GOD has the final word over your life !!!
The problem is YOU! How many years does it take to learn the ropes of living in the west?
Abroad is no joke
Same struggles here as an F1 student yet I loved the struggles that had shaped my life. Can we stop whining pls. The planes were flying why didn’t you all
Go back of ur country was that great?! You weren’t held to ur neck to stay?! C’mon now mental health is overrated. Nowadays a few struggles n people start claiming mental health issues. Work hard n move on
I saw this gentleman on Spice FM. I felt like he's a breath of fresh air. Keep talking about this.
This explains the many cases of mental health issues in the diaspora. The pressure is too great on this young minds. I have learnt a lot listening to this interview. As a mother of teenagers and a parent living in the diaspora, the math isn’t mathing! Well In Dr. Kochei! Thank you Lynn for another amazing interview.
One of the BEST conversations we have ever had on this show. Life abroad is great only after you have stabilized and figured out how to live. But the process is long and painful. Canada, Dubai, USA, Australia, Qatar name it! And us who are out here won't post that bit. We post only what looks beautiful and rosy. It is terrible for struggling people. Ni ile we can't just help all kenyans but some live in very deplorable conditions out here
Hi Lynn, this is a perfect talk. I came to Germany at 22. Never had the clues in how to stay abroad, cultural shock, hustling to get money for tuition and meeting the bills, people back home are calling you for money.
I had to go through depression for 1 year and 6months, taking anti- depression tablets and going for therapy for all that time. 😢 it’s hard, extremely hard. Worst of it all you can’t speak their language . Chaiii I ran mad.
Thank you for this
We need to get all the research to join abroad countries.its never all good
OMG, Lynn!!!!!... Thank you so much. I am very emotional hearing this Conversation cause this was my life since coming to the USA. I was alone at 19. A girl who never left home without being accompanied. No experience. No social skills and had no one to support me. While I do not regret coming here, the journey has been rough. If it were not for God I do not know if I would be here today. People do not understand at all so thank you for this. As for my family?... my wounds are just starting to heal cause the matharau is real.
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
You aren’t alone. I came as an 18yr old n saw it as a blessing and a way to write my own story
Why is a driving license so important? Am planning to relocate and I don't have one
@@lynnirungu; Get a DL if you can before you leave and learn some driving skills. It will be your lifeline. You will have so many more better quality opportunities to choose from than if you did not. You can juggle between work and other activities a much better quality of life.
@@lynnirunguthe distances are too long to walk tuseme Westlands to Athi River and the public transport may be unavailable which is why people have cars. And driving class is so expensive huko.
A much needed conversation!! I'm so glad that this is becoming public discourse because life is not all 'rosy' in the 'diaspora'. And as you've mentioned, we should absolutely hold agencies accountable that provide misleading information because it can literally come at the cost of a student's life. Thank you for always being a champion of change and real conversations, Lynn 💐💐
The agencies don't care it's business as usual
Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else. Classic case in hand. Take risks. If you win you will be happy. If you lose you will be wiser. Deep in the oceans there is riches beyond compare, but if its safety you seek, it is on the shore. Don't leave your country.
@@ring-tone278 Absolutely 💯.
Thanks Doc. Kochei for that Candid show. My thoughts those who can afford to educate their children abroad without fundraisings and help from anybody the better. We are in different generations with our children so we better be careful. Let children do undergraduate course in Kenya and then masters and PHD abroad. Thanks
@@phyllisanyona5966. Some are just outright Lazy, expecting a lot for no effort. Even when housed and fees paid for they will still complain and wake up at 12pm in a country where every business is crying out for workers. Lazy lot.
I am in Europe but i promise i will never get old here ptooo wacha ikae...full of stress,bills after bills the more you earn the more you spend...you cant even grow or advance financially only working like a slave earning and paying that's the life ya majuu.
As you come my brothers and sisters be prepared psychologically this is not our home.
Niko na friend uk. Alinieleza shida mpaka I almost cried.
Ghaii
Shida back home ukielezea mtu hatakubali. Anaona unamkataza majuu!!
From diaspora, I agree with this guy. Life here is not easy. Depression is real here.Hata afadhali the English speaking countries, some other countries have their own language you first need to learn before you work. I was one month old abroad and before I could even know where to get food, my family was asking for their cut. Haki black tax!! And when I said I dont have they stopped talking to me. Depression set in.
So sorry for that, just hang on and focus on you. It is well.
I nearly ended it .. Pleaaaaaaaase someone save africa
Over 20 years ago I was talking to a work colleague whose children were completing high school. In my wisdom I advised her not to send her children abroad and let the children do their first degree in Kenya as they mature. She took up my advice and was very happy. She did send her children to Australia for their Master's degrees and the children coped well.
Very educative
Ooo thanks
This video is for intelligent people
I agree 👍 💯
Thank you
That's true
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Totally agree!
Most of us have studied both undergraduate and postgraduate programs here in Kenya and have succeeded without going abroad.
If you can't succeed here, people usually think the narrative will be different outside. There are as many opportunities here in Kenya like in the outside world.
@@casinocopywriter very true. Just like Jesus you have eyes 👀👀 but you don't see .......
I lived in the States for 17 years since i was 23. All i can say is all that i went through in the States made me a much better person than i would have been had i stayed here. I didn't manage to graduate from University but the life lessons i learnt, i can't exchange with anything else. I learnt how to work with integrity, accountability and work ethic. Most of this life lessons are hard to learn while living in Kenya.
Kenyans need to know that they can't survive in western countries without integrity and honesty. Those two virtues are valued there.
More Volume Please....Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else. Classic case in hand.
There's a difference between going abroad when one is still very young and when they are old/mature. At 23, someone's already mature enough to know what they want in life and have probably made that decision themselves unlike a 15 year old kid who still needs parental guidance.
@@conniekabasharira7084 Why go overseas then if not prepared? is the question beg. Just failures whinging and giving excuse after excuse. No accountability. Failures love to whinge instead of taking action.
@@ring-tone278 how old are you? You actually sound very immature, you can try having a mature conversation for once, it's not that hard. Your comments seem like a projection of your own life, perhaps you're that lazy, unsuccessful entitled person who doesn't take accountability for their actions. See, I can assume the same about you 😉. You yourself must be a failure in life, good luck with that attitude
I went to the US at 14 years old, straight from class 8. I had no family there completely. The culture shock, the loneliness, I ended up falling into severe depression. I thank God I was able to complete my high school and University in the US and came out in one piece. Although it is an experience that has changed my life positively, I would never recommend it to anyone who has not done their due diligence. Immediately I completed my Undergrad and was grown enough to make my own decision, I chose to come back to Kenya and I don't regret that decision to come back home. Life abroad is really hard
Super PROUD of you ! You chose YOURSELF ! Some people would have been like BUT what will the people say 🤷🏾♀️
You were too young. couldn't they wait for you to clear high school? What was the rush to get you out?😮
Proud of you for moving back. That’s my goal too
Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else. Classic case in hand. Take risks. If you win you will be happy. If you lose you will be wiser. Deep in the oceans there is riches beyond compare, but if its safety you seek, it is on the shore. Don't leave your country.
@@ring-tone278 Arrogant assumptions such as yours explain the lack of progress we face as a continent at times. Should you follow this conversation well then maybe you might understand the topic at hand. I am not a failure for your information, as a matter of fact I am doing quite well back home, my mental health is thriving. It is people like you who propel the stigma and fear that if you come back home after staying abroad you are a failure. I cannot count how many friends I have who want to come back home but their main concern is "but what will people think about me?"
I stayed in the US for 10 years and I missed such a huge portion of my life, to date I struggle to bond with my family because I spent my critical age abroad. I struggle to bond with people my age because as my age mates were being children, I was busy working to source for my fee and as such I find there is a bit of a maturity gap. So kindly do not come here to label me as a failure because I made the decision to come back home. Who told you one has to stay abroad to be successful in life? To each his/her own. My definition of success and happiness is clearly not the same as yours.
This man is splitting facts.
People are going outside the country for prestige.
This is a candid talk. Parents we are getting it all wrong. Even within the country, the children are sent to college's and university's without fee and upkeep money and we expect them to survive in a new environment with nothing...we are literally trading these kids....the world is too harsh, for these kids.
Thank you for the talk.
Lynn, thank you for having this conversation.
First off I would love to be on your show someday. This issue is critical and apast due conversation.
I came to the US as a 19 yrs old from a middle class family being raised by our widowed mom. I had a great foundation which I credit to my success. I am a practicing medical doctor in the US and I can attest to how challenging life is to young adults who come in with student visas without a clear plan for financial, emotional and social support.
You guys have truly lifted the lid and I can’t wait to see where this conversation goes. Please let’s prepare our kids, families and community.
Kuja😊
How will your parent prepare you. Yeye mwenyewe hajawahi fika Uganda hakuna kitu anajua. Teseka tu Mwisho utatoboa.
@@KakwasiWachana na Uganda hata Nairobi bado
@@Kakwasimkuu you are thinking right😂😂there is no way a parent can be able to prepare a child for a nation we have no idea
Our own Country has failed the Youth and that is WHY parents have to look for choice B.
Better go Abroad and learn how to do life than get frustrated tarmacking in Motherland.
After all life is a journey.
It was never smooth journey for Abraham either when God asked him to migrate..
Hard Truth
This man knows what he is talking about. I know this out of first hand experience.
So you are here....keep going my girl
Wueh but that button imeshikilia kama uchumi ya Kenya 🤫🫣🤭🫢🫡
I took my son at 21, i almost lost him to mental health issues, i was full of regrets. Too much pressure between job and school, they don't get social life.
... and many other problems that he will probably never talk about. It's not easy out here.
My daughter went for her masters in the UK fully sponsored by my elder sister who lives there i will forever be grateful to her
You can achieve anything in Europe if your foundation is of righteousness. Is the school fees you are giving your child, your own hard working wages?
@@joycepeter1284 i was able to educate her to degree level here in kenya i was ready to educate her for her masters here in kenya but she was crazy to go to the UK which i could not afford her untie intervened and decided to sponsor her
That's great
Let him talk to Kalenjin people they are selling property to take children to Australia and Canada
How many families have this kind of love 😮
Great conversation..not only talking about those going to diaspora..but also transition from high school to campus...let's learn to teach our children basic life skills.. always supported the NYS program requirement before joining campus... Good work Lynn
I agree. The transition is the major problem.
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
Lynn thank you very much for your guest and you for bringing that very informative context .
I took my daughter to Canada when she was 19 years old and I met the family she was staying with.
We paid her school and accommodations till she finished school.
She was lucky to have jobs here and there but it was her savings.
When she finished university she had money to start her life.
She got a job and I am happy.
The moral of all that one has to gather for her or his child abroad.
Information is power
Hello Lyn,thank you for bringing this topic,I am living in Australia.Its true what your guest is saying.Life is not easy here in Australia and especially for the post secondary students.They are inexperienced, no life managing skills and then there are some kenyan hyenas here in Australia waiting for this kids to introduce them to partying and use them as they wish.Mental stress is real and the situation is becoming unmanageable .Dear parents prepare your children adequately and bear in mind that it will take a year for this children to start settling down,therefore prepare to pay school fees.The Australia government immigration laws must be followed or else send back to sender
This is even happening to students in Kenya. Campus life has swallowed many young people. The taste of freedom adds to it.
@blessed am also in Australia, South Australia to be specific. I agree with above 3 quarters of his conversation however, i work in Mental Health Department and i do not agree with the over 45 children who are said to be detained in Rehabilitation Departments.
@@marimarie-7
U don't agree with over 45 students, what's the correct number according to you. Please tell us. And thank you for sharing.
Hello if you don't agree. Why are you not giving the figures tyen
@@marimarie-7the statistics sound cooked as well. 45 is too many, Ideally that is 2.25% of Kenyans in SA. The story adds up but those statistics don’t make sense
Don't actualize your dreams through your children......let them be. Support them whether at home or abroad.
Best advice ever. Most of our parents want to manifest their dreams through us. I will never do this to my child.
True true, Am here and see very children who sat KCSE in 2022 already here and am just lost of words on how they will survive when me who even after graduating and working in Kenya for over ten years still find it troublesome to settle
Someone finally said it. Thank you Doc. Its pure exploitation from Australia and Canadian government while parents back home can't keep calm telling other chama women how their kids are studying abroad. I asked a lady if its wise to send 2M for school fees but instead start a business for the child while they study in Kenya. She said I was jealous. Well, the stress levels are just going ⬆️
Protect Dr Albert at all cost☺️this was a very timely conversation. Thankyou soo much Lynn i hope all the parents learn a thing or two.
This is very true. Dr. Young people are suffering. I'm a Tanzanian who lives in the UK. I love you, LYNN. You are helping many to open our eyes in different ways
I have lived and studied for a while in S.K. and even though it wasn’t easy, it has turned me into a resilient person that knows what she wants out of life. You have to know yourself, what you want and intentional about the life u live and company u keep nje coz you’ll experience some tough times but also really good times. And yes, I think there should be a conversation that should be had about the reality of it.
It all starts from kenyan parents "investing" in their children and wanting to "harvest". This is the wrong principle completely, and from there nothing good can come. Parents shouldnt have kids if they dont know what parenting is. No kenyan parent in my experience has any clue what parenting is. Ni kulima na kuvuna tu. They send you to study and then expect you to start sending dollars immediately because they grow on trees. Si usome ukifanya kazi kama watoto wengine?
I can relate
I can relate too ...
Yes, very true.
I can relate!
100% my guy... When I moved to Europe is when I realized kumbe I can even be way better than a minister 's child... Some of this youth what they only know is bangi, vikali, no attending school.... All this because of drugs. I regret how some of the rich parents bring up their children.... I am even happy growing up as an orphan. Mimi huona this Europe kama shamba fulani hivi.... Wakati wengine wamelala mimi niko macho nachimba madini zilizoibwa africa and bring them back home.
Hope one day Lynn will give me an interview....
Hello..which country in Europe are you?
Thanks very much Lynn for this conversation. It's good for people to know what people go through on the other side of the world. Not only the students even those people who go to hustle outside the country endure a lot. We continue to stay because some of us its the only plan we have and if we come back home everything will be in a mess again. And nobody will ever understand until you find yourself in those shoes. I went to school and at the same tym working I don't know how I passed, but am always thankful to God
God makes a way
As a former international student myself and mother of now adult children I have seen the despair of many of our people here in Australia. My aim is to provide emotional and counselling support if needed to help all 'our' children (from any part of Africa as I am not from Kenya) and those facing challenges including depression and risk of suicide. Our knowledge and experiences should not be in vain but be used to help, guide and support those already on this journey.
I am in diaspora. I need counselling.
Which city are you in? My daughter in Adelaide
@@michaelgacohi4865 Melbourne
@@wanguimwash7326 Sorry for the late response. I am in Melbourne and will leave a WhatsApp number/email and can organise a time once I hear from you. Meanwhile stay safe and take care.
@@michaelgacohi4865 I believe I responded to you earlier. Take care
Thanks Lynn for this show. It has improved my thinking regarding our children careers. Our president must watch this. Gentleman like Dr. Albert should be CS to make improvement to our country. Kindly tell him I salute him🙏
This discussion is so timely.
Young people are really struggling abroad and going into depression.
Dr. Kochei, that's what we call living your God given purpose in the marketplace. This is great our communities need to be educated on contemporary issues affecting our society. Continue being the iron that sharpens other iron. We hear you.
Here is the problem with the well to do, so called middle class Kenyan parent: From when a child is born, there is very little engagement with the child. You get a maid or two to look after your baby. Understandably you work 8-5 during weekdays, however on weekends you still spend you time with girls and boys. In short in a 7-day week you probably spend the equovalent of one day as quality time with your children. They grow up being taught and attached to different maids until its time to go to boarding, when you ship them off to interact with teachers and other teens. they finish high school and off you send them abroad. at what point have you had time to closely interact with your child and get to know who they are as a person?? of course out here in the west they are exposed to all sorts of vices. Its only a matter of time before that child's life gets ruined either by drugs, depression, hopelessnes or all of the above. Kenyan parents need to spend more time with their children and stop being second hand parents. ,stop this maid culture!
volume please... this is 100%
what about the working class parents.They work in order to put food on the table and pay school fees and house bills.That's why the house helps are issues we can't debate about because there's no alternative
My thoughts are that it doesn't matter the age you move, if you are not prepared to go to local universities, you are not prepared to move to international ones. Our high school education does not prepare us to live globally, we do not understand the effects of racism and capitalism, etc, unless you choose to educate yourself, even a 40-year-old moving will struggle. Get fully sponsored scholarships- research immigration laws before leaving. Some people thrive, others do not. It is not an all-fit-in-one model.
I found that living with host families helps quite a lot. Families who intergret you into their family. Especially for students instead of going straight to live on compus. I lived with a Canadian family and let me tell you, best thing I ever did. I had adults to guide me in the right direction. They included me in everything they did. Be it Christamas, they celebrates my birthday, be it going to pick strawberries, go on road trips. I did not have room to indulge in bad groups. I brought my friends to their house and introduced them. If my host dad felt a certain way about someone he would say something. Host families sound out dated but they are helpful.
@@Flourish_todayit is God's grace you find an amazing family.
@@yolz555Exactly. It can be hell it can be heaven
Say it louder....Just failures whinging and giving excuse after excuse. No accountability. Failures love to whinge and blame instead of taking action.
Very well put.
Lynn am soo happy for holding this conversation. WEST school have been glamorouried leaving out the core quest under addressed..I am in Us and came here as a student@ Lynn the shock and yet I was over 21 was hardest just to find nd that pivotal point where I could balance job .school.social life. Demands of life my God am still recovering my balance to date 20 years later.. parents STOP🛑🛑 and educate Ur kids prior sending them abroad...
I have learnt a lot from this Man, my children going to study abroad? From what I have heard? , I will tell them Nooo.
Lynn thank you for extending this conversation on your platform. We need such conversation to secure the future of our children. This is the conversation that will empower parents to protect their children and provide a safe future for their children.
Thanks very much Lynn for this conversation. I agree with the sentiments here. I moved to the UK for my postgraduate studies on a full scholarship and here are my two cents:
1. Do EXTENSIVE RESEARCH before making applications.
2. Best to have a full scholarship to have a better student life. (May take time to get one but well worth it! Took me two years of applications!)
3. I’d advise doing a first degree in Kenya. While on your first degree, take the time to do research on courses, scholarships and life abroad.
4. Take time to learn to be and to live alone (life is quite individualistic here).
5. Manage your expectations (it’s not all heaven on earth here!)
I am with you in doing first degree in Africa mine is in Uganda
I am with you in doing first degree in Africa mine is in Uganda
Failures generally try to console themselves and take no responsibility for their actions and instead blame someone else for their lack of preparation. Classic case in hand. Take risks. If you win you will be happy. If you lose you will be wiser. Deep in the oceans there is riches beyond compare, but if its safety you seek, it is on the shore.
@@ninawaryaro9415I echo your sentiment, but not all are able to pursue a bachelor's degree in their country. Sadly.
So what makes it cheaper to do degrees abroad for those who cannot afford it here in Africa?😂
Great conversation. I went abroad on a student visa. It is not easy. Everything this man is talking about is what happens on the ground. Parents only pay for flight tickets and everything else ni kujipanga. We pay our school fees and pay bills. To make things worse, parents expect us to send them money. They even expect us to send money to our siblings.
Best and very educative interview, as a parent it has opened my eyes , please let's learn on this ❤❤❤
I want to thank LNN and Dr. Albert for bringing this issue up. Albert you are very right. I did my Bachelors in Kenya and moved to IE for Masters as an adult. But let me tell you, the culture shock, the character development here is real even for us who are mature. Don't forget that most countries limit the working hours for students to 20 hours a week or less. So how do you pay rent? How do you survive? Depression is real for Kenyan students abroad. We need to wake up and acknowledge this sleeping giant. Vile umesema Albert, kwa ground vitu ni different.
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
You must have lied to get admitted as the universities request for financial proof that you can pay for ur studies and campus life. Now, I came here for my undergrad n l will be the first to say that it shaped my life and want the best for my children. Depression starts from somewhere else other than struggles. If struggles causes depression then Kenya is full of depressed people. Do you know how many jobs we did to pay for bills and schools?! U aren’t alone n yet most of us have loved and laugh about it. Now we have weak ones who start acting that they should have been handed everything on a silver spoon. Kenyans Kenyans Kenyans?! Did we forget our history?! Parents worked too hard all day yet we want what exactly?! I’m disgusted with all of you acting like we have it bad. Actually the planes were working why did you all go back home?! Kenya has never blocked you
@@estherw-fnpofficialchannel3163 Volume please. No accountability and expecting Free things. Its mostly Failures whinging and complaining about everything. Failures love a shoulder to cry on and pour their heart. Move overseas, work hard, get paid, pay bills like everyone else, save some, stop whining and complaining. That is life.
I understand we may have had different experiences, but it's important not to discredit my honest account. If you have concerns about my visa application, let's address them factually and respectfully rather than making assumptions.
@@ring-tone278 Well said!
I'm currently facing same mental stress after my aunt brought me here to care for her kids. My spine hurts so much, everyday i cry myself to sleep. I can't live like this for the rest of my life. God help me finish my contract so i can go home even if it will be shameful. I already see myself taking my own life if i continue living here. The grass is not always green
I felt as this was directed to me. Came to Europe when I was 19yrs with only 30eur in my pocket. It was the only thing my mum could afford. But let me tell you maina, I don't know how I survived. I got the best friends who showed me around and how to manover work and school. If I had fallen with the wrong friends, I would have been dead by now. Thank you my big sisters. But surely mama, I wasn't ready for this life. But am glad you took that hard décision.
30 EUR is wild
This is a great conversation. I write theses and dissertations for our African students in diaspora. The discussions I've had with them have convinced me not to leave this country.
What?
Not only in diaspora even in Kenya things are bad long days are gone when you are happy because your kid has gone to university it has become deadly only by God's grace they finish in one peace
I agree. Even in Kenya, things are tough. GOK seems to have given up and are now asking Kenyans to go look for jobs out there, instead of welcoming experts back home so that we build Kenya. People should find opportunities wherever they can.
I graduated but let me tell you....I got nothing from it...I had to come to Europe and hustle where I settled after two years...maisha majuu I can't tell someone it's bed of roses 🌹
Thank you so much, Dr. Albert, for candidly discussing this issue. Anyone at home who wants to come majuu please do your due diligent research; as said on the ground, things are not a bed of roses. Especially for international students, fees are exorbitantly high, and lifestyle is very difficult. Please, please, parents, make sure you know where your child is going, as mental health issues are real.
For me i wish i went to abroad. My classmates who left kenya are waay ahead of us who stuck around, i even went to a private university, kawaida sasa ni job struggle.. they started with struggle but now they are ahead, we who stayed started with ease now we are struggling. And its my parent who refused to let me go, and he could afford it. Ofcourse there are challenges to be expected being young and in a foreign country.. but i still think its better to struggle in your early 20s life than in your 30s still living with parents . 🤷🏽♀️
True I'm 31 and with no direction , business down career down ... thinking of moving out
This is what I was talking about. We all struggle in different ways. You are better off when you have options and opportunities. Having an education and no where to use is very tough. When I said thinks work abroad, even @Lynn is laughing with others saying I left before independence. Middle class and the poor are suffering at home. WE can cover up but that is the truth.
U might think they are doing better than u but most wanastruggle mentally
We need more of these conversation l have lived in US for the last 7years its not easy out here 😢
Finally...now may be people wont judge me for coming back from germany with nothing after 3 years.... i was 19 ....the pressure to work to live and study... i had no time to study.... it destroyed me... the sacrifice my dad made to get me there...eh ! it stays with you...
Bro, are serious? is it true this story
You didn't come back with nothing. You are New Kenya. You have skills and a voice that can broaden our understanding of what it means to be Kenyan. We need you. Welcome home.
He means he came back with 'nothing' which the society unrealistically expects.
These diaspora-related discussions are way overdue. Thank you Lynn for shining a light on this matter. It is the realest pandor's box. I also wish us Kenyans in diapora kept it real with our families back home. Transparency will change the lives of others.
Special Note to Kenyans in Kenya: Don't ever feel inferior or intimidated by anyone just because they live abroad. You are probably happier and more fulfilled than they are.
Truer words have never been said.
Kochei be blessed, l totally agree with you, hope parents are listening......
This is not happening outside Kenya alone but also just within our universities where children get to universities and parents just quit supporting them financially. Cases are higher to the boychild where most of them are left to fend for themselves and hustle to be able to continue pursuing their studies. I have interacted with such people who then end up doing drugs as well as sell drugs just to survive as it is the easiest way they can access to survive. Since they have to pay their rent plus other things. It is so sad!
God bless you my brother for this ministry to our Kenyan parents. Blessings to Lynn too . Parents in kenya some messages are heavenly so please listen and take note. What this Elder is saying is true my sisters and brothers. It’s very hard on children here. Please have mercy on your children .If you care , please listen to this.
It is not just the agents that are defrauding the international students and their parents. Even the Australian Government itself is the main culprit. For example, all degree programs require industrial attachment or placement in corporate organisations as part of the study program. There is an unwritten rule that 90% of Australian companies both private and public do not offer attachment opportunities to international students. People can apply and meet all criteria but as soon as they determine you are on a visa - that is the end of the road 🛣️. It is unfathomable especially given the thousands of $$$ they charge for international courses. International students are a milking cow for the system.
Very true
Lived in the UK for 24 yrs.came exactly after form 4.thought I was going to study but after 1week started working.my visa expired which I didn’t know as all visa processing was done by my relatives.so nilikuwa chini ya maji coz I couldn’t travel back to Kenya and no work as I’m illegal in the Uk.
Was very clever as if I stayed in Kenya right now I would be a Lawyer/Accountant as my friends.
Pole, you can still follow your dreams but I understand what you mean.
Only send your kids to study abroad fully sponsored not where they are half sponsored and the other fee they have to cater for themselves. Your child is safe on full Scholarship which involves even medical cover and flights. I'm thankful to all my friends who had opportunity of full Scholarship in Us& China and made to finish without the trauma of being subjected to work to pay their fee.
Very true i brought my daughter to Europe she lived here for 12 yrs and she couldn't make it, she decided to go back home and now she is very happy enjoying her life and am happy for her, please parents let us learn the lesson
Thanks for this topic. l hope parents will educate themselves from this discussion. As parents we want the best for our kids and we forget their capabilities. l am in US and l have tried to talk to friends relatives concerning school life here for undergrad but the say lam jealous and don’t want the best for their children. Can this episode go viral to reach most parents. Thank lynn!!
My daughter is in Canada and anytime she feel the pressure the first question we all ask her... " Do you want to come back home?" But her answer has always been "I like it here" we pay school fees, accommodation and upkeep though it's so expensive
I am in Canada, Manitoba, Brandon University. Pass my regards to her
My twin..let go-keep supporting them
My sister I am proud of you. Continue soaring up in your academic@@gladysmumbi6907
Maybe she thinks you will be disappointed in her if she says she.wants to return home 😮
It's even hard for the locals who live here in Canada. Students die by suicide especially in the winter with assignment pressure, exams etc. So how about an international student who has crossed the sea to get to this new environment.
Hi Lynn, it's always a pleasure to watch LNN. I've been following you quite a while. You're doing a great job. M. K. Albert is a genuine tool. I 've been living abroad for the last 23 years. Izo habari zinaitajika ku elezwa to rescue families. In fact, am in process of writing a book about it.
I went to Canada at 19 and I’m so grateful for the experience. U of T built my confidence that I can do anything if I apply myself to it. Was given opportunities to work with professors and in the library and had the best bosses. Only one summer I struggled finding jobs to subsidize my living and some tuition but even that taught me work ethic and not to fear hard work. I also had amazing friends that felt like family from all over the world. The thing that depressed me was seeing poverty at home on their media full time.
Well said. We have a lot of Lazy minded folks here who just to whinge and complain about everything. They want to be handed free stuff on a plate and not have to work for. Life is not free passage, you have to work for it.
@@ring-tone278 I don’t think it’s laziness , it could be lack of mental preparation. And sometimes that is something you need coaching to build (at home or in school).. whether you went to public schools like me or international schools. We have great teachers here but our education system needs more investment. I just had the right tools to deal with depressive thoughts like being aware enough of myself to “join a college choir” to gain community and do things I liked that grounded me as I hustled.
Sent my kids to Malaysia, affordable fees & they had a lovely experience which I saw first hand when I went there.
Lyn. Thanks for sharing this video. Some of us came to diaspora having some experience and first degree. This still was a struggle coming without funds to support self. People manage if they have a purpose and vision. It’s not easy and one needs a lot of commitment and sacrifice to make it.
I personally think almost all post graduate university courses are not needed in the West. They are mostly looking for carpenters, builders, plumbers, tailors and many such jobs. If you want to study abroad, look for a skill that is very useful in Africa, study it and come back to Africa and use the skill to develop Africa. That's my opinion.
Very wise! Very true
The west is looking for people in the medical field to work as caregivers in nursing homes and low level medical staff like Nurse assistants.
Very good conversation, having been abroad, if you don't have anyone or relatives in the country you are traveling to, don't go especially for the young lads who have never faced life.
So should we remain in Kenya and waste away?
@@kijanicapitalmedia upto you, just passing information
@@cathychemualso not all relatives are to be trusted. Some push kids to prostitution in the name of 'hivi ndio hua tuna survive huku'
@Lynn Ngugi, This is a very wonderful talk and we appreciate the effort. One of the major reasons leading to many of us going outside the country is or seing abroad as solution is the life situation in our country. No jobs for us young people, loan intrest is soo high that you can't take loan and build up your business. Many learned people are under stress due to clueless life in our beloved motherland country.
I left kenya in 1995 to study. Over the years i didnt get ONE ticket to come home for holidays. I had THREE graduations, and no one bothered showing up. Then i start working and everyone is like why dont you ever visit us in kenya? Really????????????????
Were your parents in a position to buy you 2 return tickets annually?
You are too selfish, just eat your money, no one needs it here. Why are people aborad so arrogant and think that we need their money? We are happy here with little or much😮
Very authentic conversation. Thank you Lynn and Dr. Albert .
Lesson: We are accountable to God on how we raise our children and Let's Pray for our Children.
Mentorship, Mentorship
I live in EUROPE and truly Lynn your guest is telling TOTAL TRUTHS and Kenya leaders need to listen and develop their institutions for their future generation.These Kenya young generation, when come to Europe they become agents or customers to criminals .Most become drug users or drug traffickers and many suffer the SHAME of their parents' political Status in Kenya since parents are known as "Corrupt leaders"
Agents to criminals??
This is the best information ever...Thanks Doc for the eye opener...I miss your sincere engagement at CAF..I represented Nyandarua County Assembly. 2013-2017...parents should be made to realize that we have the best education in Kenya. Kindly organize national civic education for the same.. As a professional teacher,(resigned) we shall stand with you.
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Any parent who wants their child to go abroad, do a short Certified Nurse Assistant course. It will help them a lot.
What a wonderful conversation, I didn't have this in mind.LEARNED a lot in this talk.
Thank you LYNN and Dr.Albert
After I managed to bring my brother to US as a student visa so many people are texting me how they can get the same student visa,let me tell you ? the struggle is real,I live in US yes!
But still I’m struggling to pay for my
brother and pay my bills 💵 I have 3kids but life in America ???is not a joke.I didn’t know what I was getting myself into I trust God in this process.
Jikaze. It shall be well. you have come too far to go back.
It is not easy to sponsor a student here. Imagine paying international tuition. Keep on trying but people will not understand kwanza having kids here is not easy with the expensive childcare
It shall be well❤
Let your brother get a job or two. It will be well.
God Bless you and hope your brother appreciates all you are doing and will also work hard and support you. The worst is when one brings their siblings and the siblings don't want to work or go to school or learn a skill to help out. That is really painful.
That is one of the best candid discussion l have ever listened too in this platform. This guy has opened a conversation that most parents dread and some have made wrong decisions for their children due to lack of knowledge .Thanks for the enlightenment we cannot afford to mortgage the lives of our children .
Am in America, came as adult and life is hard to figure out it took me1 year .then u meet 20year old Kenyan kid came with student visa , depressed broke most end being alcoholic and drop outs .some just start working, to get work permit with a student visa is hard very hard .if u can't support your kid in America when they come to school please don't dare send them .visiting visa way much better than a student visa if u want to apply for a work permit in America.
Not even 20 years old, I have met 18 years old in Australia straight from form four in Kenya
And thats not all. They start asking for money from these children. It's a sad state.
@@imanigg8101😢 waa. Sad affair 😞
I Agee, visitor's visa is better than student visa as you can change it to a different visa type but it's not equally easy but much better than student visa. Also whoever you surround yourself with when you arrive in the USA it's very important as these people you surround yourself with help make or break your life in the USA.
@@divadiva684great advice. Are you in US?
Quite impressive and powerful. This gentleman is a leader full of beautiful insights that can go a long way to transform our country.
Any experience that takes you out of your comfort zone (home) is an endeavor to make you grow as a person! Unless you are under the age of 18 years, embrace the experience and learn from the challenges that come about, learn about resilience! Any older person with real life experience will teach you that nothing good comes out of the comfort zone. We should raise children who are prepared to face world! There is no running from challenges
challenges aree there , but you need guidance, emotional support. si kutupa mtoto huko nje ati ajitafutie yet unaexpect pesa. Hapo Hapana
Thank you Sheila Omollo - Very well put, i cannot add anything more! My dad pushed us beyond the limit growing up while in Primary school, it was Picking tea at histea farm, getting up at 3.00am to milk the dairy cows, weeding maize field, harvesting during August holidays, planting to tilling by both oxen & Tractor.... Hated my dad & mum growing up, my mum couldn't give anyone food if they didn't show their day's work in the farm... Thought they were cruel my dear until they passed away & i found myself studying in the UK & raising my own fees, oooh boy didin't they prepare me so well, i found myself sailing through every challenge easily, be it night long 12 hour shifts to scrapping floors at hospitals & supermarkets, did it all till i joined the Royal Airforce & got my full citizeniship. Nothing was impossible at all bcoz of DAD what a man he was! He always reminded us of the University of Life.. Today i own my own Company contracting at Airbus in Toulouse France & speaking various languages...
Thanks to my parents school of life! I have never run away from challenges like i see todays kids in Kenya!
@@sapduke8691 The university of life is what these children need. Nothing comes easy in life.
I would encourage anyone who wishes to travel overseas for Education or otherwise to do so at the earliest opportunity possible but do it correctly with all the required paperwork in place before leaving your country. Do not take shortcuts or do it hurriedly leaving some paperwork undone. It will come back to haunt your stay. Give yourself at least a year to prepare and plan your trip. Take special lessons if necessary on life overseas and what to expect. Don't forget your driving Licence at all cost. It will be you lifeline. Have a fallback plan B in case the first don't work. keep in constant touch with the immigration of your host country. They will give you invaluable tips and direction at every turn. They also want you to do it right. And lastly a prayer and God above all. Good luck.
It's not been easy for me but never sorry I send mine.
lynn the best conversation before the end of 2023, this is for the parents who don't research before sending their children abroad. majuu sio lazima, people are making it big in kenya.
Went to India 1981....at 19. Shock shock shock....
Then came back after 5 years ...double shock.
Try getting a job with your MBA which was new at that time ....over qualified and under experienced come back after 3 years....
I agree let children study at home and a course you discussed and weighed.
Thank you Lynn for this conversation. Can you be bringing more conversation like this how people/students suffer without having proper documentation when they’re outside there country ,and people at home they expect more of them.
This is a an eruption in waiting.why are we sending all our youth away.we shall need them.lets build our kenya
Actually my sister went to UK for her masters, she became too thin.our father was telling her to remain in UK after her studies, but my sister refused and came back,right now she is a senior human resource manager in a big company. She told me her life wasn't for UK😅😅😅
This is one of the best conversation so far lyn and thank you so much for bringing it up,this guy is speaking my mind i have been asking myself the same question, people will go abroad in the name of when i reach there i will figure out...but when the get there reality hits so hard and you realize ooh actually things are alot different than where i came from oooh kumbe i need a good strategy to figure it out and if u ain't kin enough it hits you so hard and everything get messed up......this is educative i take my take🙏
I think it really depends on the kind of foundation to installed in the children growing up...I have a very close of mine,she's sent her three kids,all her kids actually,to Australia...they've studied so well,they attend church services as they did in Kenya...they serve in church...one of the sons who was the first to land there actually told the mum not to struggle sending money as he could manage paying his own fee and bills...only the first year the mother supported...now this lady travels to Ausie twice a year to check on them...To wrap up,it comes back to parents,your children will go astray even under your daily watch if you got no Godly principals guiding you as a family.But what Albert is saying is TRUE,ni kubaya.
I think parenting is the hardest thing..I have seen children of pastors and religious leaders go astray that is alcohol or drugs...
Sometimes it's not about the upbringing, it can be peer influence and end life choices
Another point you must not be an absent parent keep contacts send them money visit them at least once a year. Stop the Black tendency of asking money know very well that they are studying.
There you go
Absolutely true but we tend not to follow what our parents taught us. I know of a good islam girl who clubs like crazy and the mother knows she's a saint. Unless tge child chooses to go away and you have a strategic plan and a back up plan , please kaa na mtoto wako
Which kenyan parent lays any foundation for anything😢
❤❤I'm just 5 mins into this convo and I can tell there's so much to learn here,,thank you Lynn
Such a good conversation , if ur sending Ur kid abroad be a supportive parent or guardian it is not easy abroad
My take home
-Let’s be responsible for the blessings God gave us
-let’s prepare our children in advance here in our land before going to others
-sit down and discuss things that are on the ground here in Kenya and the rest of the world(expectations )so as not to get a culture shock( depression)
-Let them do why are good at and same time what valuable at the moment
- Let’s pray for our children as parents
- If blessed to go 1:10:24 out keep on check dont assume all is ok
live in New York and took my son after high school graduation to one of the best colleges in MA after 4 years I found that he was on the streets. By the grace of God he wasn't on drugs or sick or in prison. So we took him home and he starts again in New York city colleges and little by little he’s getting things together.I was miserable until I heard this interview about giving our children time to blossom.
Thank you and let's continue learning how to raise our children.
I can deeply relate because I have had the toughest time of my life ever since I left for Canada at only 19. Its an experience ill never wish even for my worst enemy. I wish the parents understood the torture and how rough life can be out here. Not every child "young" person has a backbone to face foreign pressures that engulf ones you land.... someday we will tell our stories and some of the parents will not be able to take it💔
Thank you lyn and the guest for the Candid conversation Mr Kochei plse continue to help our children especially this agent in eldoret they are fleecing the parents without knowing go and get rid of the Crookes of agent in eldoret God bless you and Lyn ngugi
In abroad children do vocational jobs during holidays. In kenya they have workers and parents to work for them so it's hard for your children to fit in. Kenyan parents allow your children to work during holidays even if it's in your farms with your workers. Then they will fit in wherever they will go. I grew up that way. Even prince Harry and William worked in farms and charity organizations. There's a picture of Harry making bricks in Botswana. Learn from others. The culture of maids and workers for your children is not good.
Thank you Sir and Lynn for the information. The gentleman has really spoken passionately about the issue and it's upon us parents and children and anyone else who aspires to go abroad for the same to think hard. We really need people like you who speak and stand out for the truth and enlighten us for the benefit of our community and country.
You are the shoulder to lean on Mr. My son really wanted to go to Australia but I told him he can also achieve it here he is now 3rd yr in university just because his friends went there.... I told him not to compare himself to others
I did this as an adult and I know am not letting my daughter do this. The experience has not been easy,. especially the mental and emotional bit of it. Unless I'm going with my daughter, not letting her out of my sight to go through what I went through
Overseas is no place for Laziness and lazing around. Especially laziness of the mental kind. If you want to do that stay at home. It is an extremely fast paced environment and you must be equally agile and ready to change at every turn and change of plans. It is about accountability, accountability, and accountability for your actions and not blame others for failures. Full accountability - a challenge to many. You must constantly think on your feet, also a challenge for many people, hence all the negative accounts. Give a failure a shoulder to cry on and they will pour out their hearts to you to justify their failures and blame someone else. Which is all that is happening here on this forum. No accountability for self, Just whinging and self-pity, poor me, which doesn't help.