Very interesting to see the differences between Rails/Dapol & Hornby there. I was thinking about getting a second Terrier and going for the Rails/Dapol one this time but actually I think I'll save a bit of cash and get a second Hornby one if I do. Thanks for such a thorough review Sam! 👍
Yeah you're right - that's what I'd recommend people do in the same situation - I decided to keep mine, so that I could finish my review and get it out on time - took one for the team! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains You should be fine to return it and get a new one, and let us know if that one still has the same issues. I'm in Australia and I had wagons which the frames started warping after a year or so of use, and the company happily identified there was a fault(bad quality die-cast) and replaced them with different wagons which did not have a fault. I think you're more than entitled to get a new one without issues.
@@SamsTrains I still think you should get in touch with them and say that you have tried to live with it but are unhappy with the bent footplate and do not think this is of merchantable quality and ask for a swap. Other reviewers (e.g. Jenny Kirk) have been much luckier in this regard so its definitely not all locos. You can then do a second article abou how well a returns process went and how good a replacement loco is. I think a lot of people would be very interested in an article on dealing with issues and returns, as it is something that worries all of us to do it.
Lol I love it how you are pleasantly surprised that the locomotive actually couples up to the coaches properly! You would think that having couplings at the correct height and that actually work would be a given for any model. :p. Great review as always.
haha! It's a sorry state of affairs, but it is a pleasant surprise when a non-Hornby/Bachmann loco couples properly, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It's a pity you should be made to feel that way, but I honestly can't blame you - I didn't enjoy this as much as I expected to - it was just one thing after another :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
There have been quite a few terrible running locomotives and some not so good running wagons either. I have heard Dapol are bringing the wagon production back to the UK as they are probably losing faith in the quality control in their factory in China, I wonder if they will bring locomotive production to the UK?
@@bentullett6068 As a basic penny-pincher customer, I sincerely would pay with no discussion 20 to 30 GBP more per model to get a top-notch quality control. GBP 110, it is the equivalent of three weeks of groceries for me, I don't want to put such an amount of money into a non-essential object I can't even use properly, or being warped in the factory.
@@bentullett6068 If Peco can manufacture here and still beat their competitors on both quality and price, I don't see why Dapol, or Hornby for that matter, can't do the same.
@@Cthulhu1970 that is true problem is people will complain about the prices even more and it might be difficult getting people to work on a production line making model trains, unless they fully automate the process.
Refreshing indeed to watch an unbiassed review from someone so passionate about the hobby and who has massive experience of model locos including their mechanisms and who knows how to fully evaluate each model from considerable experience in repairing likely many 100s of models from the mainstream manufacturers. I always check Sams reviews before considering a purchase and especially these days when my finances are squeezed and models seem to be increasing in price way above annual inflation for some strange reason. Thanks Sam for taking the time and effort and investing your cash to assist the average enthusiast in making informed buying decisions. Your recommendations have paid dividends in my recent purchases of the Hornby J15 and J50 - both superb models and good value as pointed out in your reviews!
Many thanks for your kind words John - that's a lovely thing to read. Fantastic that you picked up a j15 and j50 - I thought they were both absolutely outstanding models, and I'm glad you agree! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi, Sam. I'm a bit late coming in on this one, but I may have an answer to your question "Why are [Hornby and Rails/Dapol] flooding the market with Terriers?" AFAIK, it's a combination of coincidence and rapacious competition. There was a TV series about Hornby a couple of years ago which featured this very question. Rails of Sheffield were planning and publicising their new range of Terriers and Hornby heard about it. According to the show, Hornby considered the Terrier to be "theirs" -- that is, a loco that was associated with them because they had sold a lot of them in the past -- and they were also planning to release new toolings of the engine in the near future. Hornby decided to rush out their Terriers in order to steal Rails' thunder (and market). The Rails people, with whom Hornby do a lot of business, were understandably annoyed with this, but metaphorically ground their teeth in front of the cameras and declared that they would produce a higher-quality model for specialist hobbyists like you) rather than the mass market to which Hornby catered. This may explain the "pedigree" comments, though they don't seem to have achieved their aim from what you say. Still, an interesting insight into the business.
hi sam great video bad loco so happy to have an honest model railway reviewer everyone else on youtube would say its perfect lol but u tell the truth and same some people a lot of money ur channel really is the only place for honest reviews thanks sam
This precisely, ninety percent of RUclips reviews are bought and paid for by the manufacturers of the product being reviewed. Human self-centredness does the rest because people like getting free stuff, and/or money for doing as little as they can. Sam has stayed true even when quite serious attempts have been made to sway him or buy his opinion. The entire world needs more people like Sam and to flush people like ‘Unboxing Therapy’ down the bog.
I had to relegate the re-tooled Hornby Terrier to the scrap line, joining my S15, M7 and Adams Radial failures. No matter what I did I couldn't get the Terrier to run properly; I checked the back-to-back with a gauge, lubricated wherever I could, checked the pickups were all in contact where they should be, but still it couldn't do a circuit without jerking, slowing, speeding and cutting out. I had a small collection of the original and ancient Hornby/Dapol models and, despite them being lacking in the finer details, they all ran perfectly. I won't be getting the Rails version either! Another excellent, cautionary and comprehensive review Sam. Thank you. PS, not one of my Bachmann steam locos has failed, ever, despite the motors frequently being noisier.
Hi Sam congratulations on 90k subscribers! I can't believe how quickly you have grown this year! I subscribed earlier this year when you were in between 60-70k subs and have loved every video since! Looking forward to 100k subscribers...you certainly deserve it!
Thanks so much Harry - I can't believe it either, certainly been a crazy year! Really glad you're enjoying the videos, really appreciate it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Greg - I did decide to keep it, as I couldn't put off the review any longer - but sure, I'd recommend anyone else definitely sent something like this back! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam , my Boxhill came on Monday and I pleased to say that mine has a straight running plate and the detailing is absolutely perfect on mine . I also have the Southern olive green version which came a month earlier which also had a perfect body but was very noisy , I removed the body a and found there was no lubrication I could see , once the gears were greased and tiny amount of oil to the motor there was a big improvement . As far as pulling power is concerned the real loco only had a tractive effort of 7600LB which is probably only fit for hauling two coaches or a light pickup freight ..David
Very glad to hear that you got some good examples - pity you had to strip and service in order to get decent running though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review Sam as always I think Hornby just takes the win with this one as the performance from Dapol left to be more desired fantastic as always 🙂🙂
And fortunately for them both, Oxford Rail had not planned to do their own : detailed beyond everything possible (the gauges in the control pannel have not painted pointers, they are functionnal, you can see the pointers moving when the engine is running, according to speed), seven-poles motor with a stunning crawl (one metre in one month minimal speed) and a flywheel (at full speed, see ahead to shut down the power early, the engine needs one minute to stop due to the flywheel), and an unseen level of performance (can pull ten coaches. Real ones, not OO scale), for only GBP 75. RRP, not retailer's price... There is some imrovement possible on the Hornby model (only a five poles motor would be great for me, but some details improvements could be done easily), and a great deal of things to do better with the Dapol/RoS one. That's a pity for the Rails model, and I hope that would be a kick in the rear side for Hornby to do better with their already good model.
Hi Sam, Thanks for another great review. I've got one of the LBSC Umber terrier that Rails released in May. The livery looks beautiful until you get close as there is a scratch on the cab roof. Also that gap between the two bits of the cab looks horrendous on mine as it is a white roof. Finally it is a poor runner and the motor is very loud. At least there is no bent running plate! I have six new Hornby terriers and I have never had any issue so when I got my £110 Rails terrier I was quite disappointed. Thanks again for the review, Thomas
@Theunknownsoul463 No, what you said was not a joke at all. You actually thought Sam meant what he said. Don’t try to lie your way out of it as it’s so obvious what you thought from the comment. Also, jokes are meant to be humorous.
That warped plate alone would be a dealbreaker for me, no need for that, especially for a model thats been recalled so many times, looks good from a distance tho ;)
Indeed they are - this is the second time you seem to have missed it! If it's so important, don't skip it... it was in the video! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Once again a great and entertaining review from 'the boy who plays on the carpet'. I like the objectivity, formula and breakdown of your reviews. Always very informative and never a dull moment. What is also a positive note in my book: you bought yours, so it is in a state we could expect it to arrive if we bought it. Not checked and tested samples send out for good publicity. One minor notch, please put something in front of your heater when you do the slow crawling test please. Maybe just a billboard with your logo or so 😋. Great review, looking forward to the next!
Thanks very much mate, glad you enjoyed it! Exactly - I make a point of buying all of my models these days in the interest of transparency! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Man having watched both The Unlucky Tug's How I built Thomas video, and now this review I've got to say that Rails of Sheffield really did take the L with this Terrier model especially since they touted that this model was the more "premium" product in comparison to the Hornby one (Hindsight really wasn't kind to them and they had to eat their own words). I guess this is just another case of abysmal Quality Control from Dapol when it comes to 00 Gauge.
I think you were very kind and generous towards this model. I do appreciate that Hornby did do the dirty on Rails and I was really rooting for them to do well with their terrier. But if I had a bent footplate and constant derailing, it would be straight back for a refund.
haha I tried to be reasonable at the very least! You might be right - I wouldn't recommend anyone keep a model in this state! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Sam. You just saved me a hundred quid. Brilliant and very thorough review as always though. Lousy model. Assembly should have been 100 times better than that. I noticed the bend in the solebar, and the distinct droop in the smokebox, as soon as you took it out of the box. I had high expectations on this one. Ah well !!
No problem mate - really glad you liked the review! Yes the assembly/quality let this down big time, as is so often the case :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam A great review 3 weeks ago I purchased the Hornby Terrier 3848x DCC fitted for £103.48. It ran perfectly from the box and has wonderful paintwork. The rails of Sheffield DCC fitted Terrier would have cost me £140 ,that's over £36 pound more so I'm pleased I made the right choice.
Sam, This is the bent, ill-fitting model Dapol/Rails send out to be reviewed? That’s crazy. Suicidal. How do they expect to sell these if they produce warped models and send them out for review? I won’t be buying one now, and I was seriously considering buying one before this video. Jim
Hey Jim, it wasn't a review sample or anything - I bought this as a customer, but this is what they sent! It's such a pity, because they look amazing, but if I had my time again, I'd stick with Hornby and keep the £29! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains But Sam, they know your name and address. They know that sending you anything less than a 100% model will result in lost sales. So they should, if they have any business sense, make damn sure anything they send to you is as perfect as they can make it.
When I saw this video, I thought I would be regretting to have bought my Hornby one. Well, I am not at all. I dit this for stupid reasons : availability (immediate for Hornby, had to wait for RoS/Dapol) and lower price. One rare occasion where it pays off to be an impatient scrooge.
Having watched quite a few of your reviews over the past year, at first I wondered why, when a loco was very poor from the start, you continued with the test and review. Now, I appreciate that you do continue, because it highlights both the bad and the good points of each loco, allowing the viewer to apply their own values. (Mine pretty well match yours). I wonder if the derailing problem might be from an over-sprung mid-wheel? It seems to lift the lead or trailing axle at that curve.
I do hope you sent that back. The bent plate is unforgivable along with the gaps in the panels. To my mind as it is it is unsalable. Throughly disgusted that it was put on sale in that condition.
I decided to stick with mine - I couldn't afford to delay the review any longer! Besides, it's my proof that I was telling the truth about it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I recently purchased a Hornby 'Brighton' Terrier with the exact same livery and I love it to bits! I will fit it with DCC and would like to have sound on it too. I have finally been able to relocate my hobby workshop, so I will be able to lay some track before Yuletide. Thank you for the review, Sam! I think I made the right choice in purchasing a Hornby Terrier. Stay well and keep on chooching!
I've got a Bachmann 57xx (L92) , which has a central sprung axle. I think it helps over points as it stops the see-saw moment over the points, which alot of small wheelbase 0-6-0's struggle with. Excellent video, really enjoyed it.
Very nice review Sam. I have 3 Dapol items and have had quality issues on all of them. The first was the LSWR B4 ‘Caen’ where the axle assembly became loose and the loco stopped working after hardly any use. I should have returned it at the time but due to various outside reasons I never did. The second was the SE&CR Terrier where a buffer was loose in the box and the cab wasn’t sitting quite right on the chassis but was better when pushed back into place. The last one was the Tiphook Telescopic Hood Wagon where the movable hoods came away in my hand. It was with some difficulty that I was able to accurately glue them back in place. I kept the ‘steel coil’ loads for use in other wagons or sitting in the factory area. It’s just my bad luck but I shall be avoiding Dapol in the future. Three out of three is not a good average in my book. I will say they are all nice looking models though.
You’ve shown the world you’re behind with this comment. It was, to anyone with even a hint of grey matter in their cranium, clearly Sam being silly because ‘Improved Engine Green’ has never been anything like being green. It’s a warm yellow colour.
I am super excited to get my hands on the Terriers! I am waiting for my DCC Fitted GWR Livery Terrier to come in and just have to wait for the DCC Fitting for the Brighton Terrier to become available! Amazing review as always and keep on modelling!
Excellent video! I have three Dapol Terriers, all purchased new 20+ years ago. (Boxhill, Stepney and Brighton) Beautiful models, and smooth runners too. Good to see them again here, in terms of new releases but, given the video, it does appear the Hornby offering may have been a bit 'rushed'.
Great review as always Sam. I've got an old dapol terrier and a new Hornby terrier and was really hoping the rails was a good loco. However the bent running plate and poor fitting parts are unforgivable! Great comparison between all the different variants, very interesting to see.
Thanks Lewis - yeah too many problems unfortunately - and they seem to be consistent across many models, given the other reviews I've seen! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Paul Boyland and his companions in Chester Model Shop have great working models to offer you. The engines are always tested before being sold to the paying customer. Also, on many of the models, a Special Offer price is on offer to the customer. Trust me, Paul Boyland won't ever make you feel ripped off. He's always good to me, and there's no reason why he wouldn't do the same for you. He treats all customers fairly, apart from the fact that I'm his favourite customer. In Chester Model Shop, the gentleman will do anything for those including me after a perfectly-working model engine. He is the answer to all your performance problems, I tell you no lies. Shop with him, you won't have any performance problems ever again. I know so, otherwise I wouldn't highly recommend him to you.
Thanks very much for this fantastic, balanced and honest review Sam. I've been undecided about whether to go for a Hornby or Rails/Dapol Terrier so really appreciate seeing you review this and it is disappointing to see your model has exactly the same running plate issues as I have seen elsewhere. Ignore the naysayers who go on about your layout being on carpet etc...I thought the section where you showed every 0-6-0 loco' you have going over that curve perfectly but this Terrier derailing every time was thoroughly scientific and revealing to say the least. It is a shame to see but much appreciated.
Thanks so much for the comment Jon! I'm here for the viewers, not for the manufacturers. To have defended this model at all costs (as others seem to have done) would be dishonest, and blatantly so given how evident the quality problems are. Reviews must be honest and independent - I no longer accept samples for free, and I won't do paid reviews! As you can see by the viewing figures, my approach is most effective. I might not be 'mates' with many manufacturers, but I can sleep easy at night knowing that I can stand by everything I say! Cheers mate, really appreciate it, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I totally agree with Jon - I've recently watched another youtube review of these models that was incredibly biassed to the point I was cringing! With Sam's reviews you get an honest, impartial and well-researched review that can be trusted as a basis on whether to purchase or not. If I'd paid £110 for this I'd be absolutely livid as that is a serious amount of cash to drop on what is basically a plastic Chinese toy for adults. And yes, I do love these plastic toys a bit too much!
@@johncarlin5713 Cheers John thank you :) I do genuinely wish these had been a flat-out success as then it would be an easy decision! The detail is superior but the running plate and gauging need fixing before these even come close to leaving the factory door. My general perception is that it seems a bit of a lottery as to whether you will get a decent one and although Rails are a genuinely fantastic retailer (in my experience), you shouldn't have to regularly send products back...or at least not half-expect to have to do so when ordering a model. I think I know the RUclips review you refer to and in the comments it made out Sam is unlucky as he often gets faulty models and should change his supplier...utter nonsense. I'm at the point now where I would never buy a model without checking if Sam has reviewed it as I think his appraisals are thorough, unbiased, and absolutely spot-on.
@@jonathanb2622 Yes, I too was hoping for good things from this model after the years of hype and the delays and with the premium pricing I was expecting a premium model that was exemplary in quality, fit, engineering, components and finish. Alas, not to be. What concerns me with reviews from many mainstream sources for new models and especially reviews from model railway magazines is that we are seeing publishers who are afraid to upset their pay-masters e.g. via loss of advertising revenue and almost exclusively now give glowing reviews and claim value-for-money on what are at best middling or even mediocre models. Such an example is the recent Heljan 1366 debacle - and I know as I bought one from Rails and found very similar faults to Sam on that model including a motor that burned out after only 10 minutes of running-in. So yes with the spiralling cost of these models I am now very careful to only purchase after consideration of reviews from trusted sources such as Sam's Trains youtube channel.
Hi Sam great video again of a lovely model personally I prefer the Hornby one also I think the reason I doesn't have coal is because when I went to the NRM the real locomotive didn't have coal also keep up the good work
Thanks Alex, yeah I think that'd be my pick too - the £30 difference makes the difference! I don't think any of them have coal, though I could be wrong! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That part during the 0-6-0 montage when the Green J50 rammed into the back of the J94 I thought was pretty funny. Great review, For the price I did think it would be better than the Hornby one but I wasn’t expecting anything like a wonky running plate.
haha yeah - I didn't know that'd happened until I was editing it, lol! That J50 goes like the clappers. Yeah me too - totally shocked by the poor quality really! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When I started watching the video I thought that either Sam was using a fisheye lens or I needed a trip to Specsavers. Never thought it would actually be the loco that was so bent.
Nice video got to say you were lucky mine was really noisy in reverse and not very smooth at low speeds I took it back and the staff in the shop said that it was one of the better ones still it did look great and the customer service at rails was brilliant as always Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate, that's very interesting actually - mine was much better in reverse than it was forwards... and it's running much worse today when I tried it. You're right though, the customer service is very good at Rails! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam I have this one along with Bluebell and Stepney. I have a specific layout for them of one of the bluebell railway stations. Sheffield park I think me and my dad made. All the best. -Oliver-
LOVE how you're taking the piss with that ímproved green' XDXD nice vid as usual Sam, thanks once more! Personally i like the detailling on this one, it comes a little bit closer to my Fleischmann and Trix locomotives in 1/87 EDIT: as i keep watching, i have to come back on that... at first glance it looked good, but with the warping and all the parts not fitted properly, i'd be disappointed if i got a loco in this state after paying more than 30 euros for it... this doesn't affect the vid however, so still kudos on you mate :D
Despite it's problems, and based on my experience, I'd have to choose the Hornby - it was the more functional model... and plus I get to keep £30! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Peter, yes they should have - I know the model was checked, as my packing slip said it was tested. Therefore an employee saw the state of this, and either did nothing, or thought it was acceptable - either way, bang out of order! Your trusty N2 will still be running when these are dust (tomorrow) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have just taken a second look at this model. As you may know, Jenny Kirk had aTerrier fest on her Monday Club and none of these problems were mentioned. You also said that someone at Rails had removed it from the box and so-called tested it. That handrail on the left side of the boiler looks like it has moved backwards as the paint that is missing is right next to the retainers. Rails should take this one back and send a replacement. Do it Sam! Martin. (Thailand)
Thanks Martin! Yes Jenny's video was interesting - many of the issues (particularly the ill-fitting components on the running plate) were present, but she didn't mention it! You're right about the testing - how did they not notice these problems?! I've looked at the handrail, it's fixed firmly in place, no way of shifting it... I think the holders may even be moulded to the handrail! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm soon going to own a new dapol terrier, same livery too. I already have an improved engine green example from hornby (new tool) so I'll be able to directly compare both for myself too I have to say though... Already I feel that overall, the hornby example is going to be the better engine...
A great review (as normal) a loco of contradictions I fear. My default track is to my embarrassment is badly laid 1st radius and I have a kennel of Terriers, Dapol, Hornby, and a new Hornby Terrier. All tackle my below-average track nicely, strange thing is "Piccadilly" one of the old Hornby models runs the smoothest, go figure! It also runs nicely on my micro layouts of sub 1st radius curves. On balance I think I'll not invest in one of these models (though the temptation is a strong thing to ignore). Sam keep up these reviews as an informative view is one to appreciate.
Thanks Kevin - a loco of contradictions for sure! Exactly - it sounds like your track isn't ideal, yet most locos manage it fine - I'd dread to see this terrier on it though! lol xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I live abroad and had my Terrier sent to a uk address. After the epic delay in production I finally managed to brave quarantine and picked up mine. Base plate curved as well . Have asked Rails for a refund/espacement by the Hornby ‘Brighton’ . Will keep you posted. Seeing what has happened here and looking at reviews of e.g. Hattons 66 I will certainly avoid spécial éditons from now. Only exception maybe Kernow. Have a 4TC which is ‘tip top’ as they say here in the alps.
Thanks for sharing Jim, so sorry to hear that, but this sounds perfectly in-line with my experiences too... right down to their great customer service! I just hope they cover the cost of postage too! Yes the exclusives do seem to go wrong don't they? I must say the 66 I looked at was almost perfect, but I've heard the horror stories. I now purchase all review samples myself, to ensure my experience matches that of a typical customer! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice review on the Dapol/Rails Terrier! This locomotive looks pretty nice in its livery along with the amount of detail this thing has! It’s unfortunate to see that the quality is not that good and same with the price. But overall, this is not that bad of a model. At least the performance and mechanism is good. Overall, I’m giving this locomotive a C+. Good review you made today Sam! 👍
I never had really been interested in purchasing a Terrier model. If I ever decide to get one, the Hornby version is what I will definitely go for. I will still roll the dice on the Dapol Manor Class 4-6-0 once they come out. Other than that, I will pretty much stick to Hornby, Bachmann and Oxford Rail.
Yeah - you get what you pay for with the Hornby version, absolutely! I'll be rolling on the Manor too - I'm hoping they'll get that one right! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Fantastic Review Sam, Looks like Rails/Dapol have shot themselves in the foot, got egg on their face etc ,Thanks Sam for letting the public know before they waste their money on this shoddy example I personally have a Hornby Leadenhall Terrier and find it very good ,costing £81 Guess this whole Terrier War between Rails and Hornby is the reason why Rails are no longer stocking and selling Hornby Products, a bit petty really when Rails have brought out this shoddy piece of work Shocking to see warped running plate & pieces ill fitting ,that is enough to give it a big fat Zero I think you have been very generous Sam with your scoring ,I think a hell of a lot of people would have rated it a big fat Zero This Terrier would fit very well with the steam punk range meaning: a lot of Turds on wheels masquerading as Trains Thanks Sam ,Gary
Thanks a lot Gary - absolutely! I really hope their fallout wasn't over this - if it was then Rails have totally shot themselves in the foot - definitely wasn't worth it! Yeah maybe I was too generous, but I did want to reflect the good points too, even if they were hugely overshadowed! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I picked up W9 Fishbourne. It has many of the quality issues you highlight: the edges of the running plate also look quite rough, there is dust trapped in the paintwork, random tiny spots of white paint, and scraped paint on the wheels. Paint finish on the body seems quite orange peely compared with Hornby’s Bembridge and Cowes. Plus the fitted speaker wasn’t fitted but loose in the box with the DCC blanking plate. The join on the cab roof and rough finish on fitted parts stop it from being a display model; gauging issues stop it from being a running model. It’ll probably be my first and last Dapol model that I’ll order in advance of production.
@@SamsTrains Actually no! Its one virtue is that the running plate is flat, so all the superstructure fits perfectly. This may make it a rare item! :-) If I decide to weather it, then I can hide the paint imperfections and the gap in the cab roof (I don't like weathering as I prefer my toy trains mint and shiny, but I will make an exception) . The Terrier is Victorian engineering made both beautiful and functional, so to spoil the lines of the roof in that way just strikes me as a poor design decision. I'm on the Isle of WIght, collect IW versions of locomotives, and the key thing for me is that it's a Fishbourne with the extended coal bunker (if no actual coal) and I don't yet have another option for that locomotive.
Hi Sam. Great review matey and the level of livery detail is incredible. However, I have a few points you skipped or didn't notice. When you removed the body, I could see the 5-pole rotor (armature) of the motor was clearly skew wound, which you didn't mention. As I've mentioned before, this advanced winding design will aid slow running, so strange Hornby didn't also use the same. The derailing issue. The out of gauge certainly won't help but I have two further probabilities which come to mind from personal experience : 1, are Dapol's wheel flange height less than Hornby's. I know that ultra scale wheel profiles are rubbish at negotiating anything other than perfectly laid curved track and will ride up. I noticed your track at the derailment point had a slight dip. Please compair the flange heights as I suspect Hornby's are larger. 2, the centre wheels are slightly compensated, but you didn't do a side to side float demonstration. If those centre wheels can't move over a tad to allow for the curve, it will derail. Again, compair with Hornby's float. Lack of torque (pulling power). With that motor technology, this should not be the case. When you said the loco was slowing down through lack of torque, I'd say no. I could distinctly see the wheels slipping. Does the wheels tyre finish look different between the two manufacturers. Different materials have different coefficient of friction values, plus the effect of fineness of surface finish. A smooth finish has better grip metal on metal than does a rough finish. Think slick car tyres give better traction in the dry than do treaded tyres, due to the greater surface contact area. Get the magnifying glass out and check please. The warped chassis is very worrying. Again, two reasons come to mind : 1, the Mazak alloy problem experienced by Hornby a few years ago may be repeating itself. There are many grades of the alloy. Some are more suitable to thin section models than others. Dapol may have chosen the wrong grade or worse, their sub-contract manufacturer chose it based upon price, not suitability. 2, the Dapol chassis designer is inexperienced in casting design and has placed thin section detail right next to a thick section in an attempt to add the weight needed. Unfortunately, this sudden change in casting cross section causes uneven cooling of the molten metal which in turn causes warpage. Remember you mentioned Hornby had modelled the air gap under the running plate and Dapol hadn't, well that could be significant to the problem ! I call all this engineering detective work.
Hi Andrew, Many thanks for bringing this to my attention! - Yes you're right, it is skew wound, as is the standard in models these days. - I will investigate the flange height - they weren't visibly different, but I can measure to check, same with the side to side movement. - Yes in places the wheelslip was definitely a factor, but around certain sections the slow-down was evident *even* without a load! - Thanks a lot for sharing the info on the coefficient of friction - the Hornby model has visibly smoother/shinier wheels than Dapol's which could certainly explain this! - And very interesting point on the die-casting - I haven't investigated too much into why it happens... I'm only certain about the fact that it's completely unacceptable, and apparently very widespread; even Rails of Sheffield's listing images for Boxhill show noticeable warping! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Just another thought Sam. If Rails of Sheffield announced the Terrier first, then Hornby also decided to make a new version and beat Rails to market, that may be a factor in the spat of Rails no longer stocking Hornby products ?
Such a brilliant locomotive. The Terrier locos have an awesome design. Boxhill is awesome, Stepney is the most famous example for opening the Bluebell Railway and for having a Thomas character of the same name, and one of the other Terrier locos is preserved in Canada. Fenchurch, I believe.
Hi Sam, love the look of this Terrier, nice and a different colour to most others. Seems a shame that it has a few issues on track running. I'm running with 1st radius track and my Harry Potter 4-6-0 runs well and my 4-4-0 does too. I have a few 0-4-0s but I really fancy a 0-6-0, preferably with tender, (but NOT black). Have you any recommendations of a value for money model as I'm pretty skint financially. Kindest regards, Rick the Bulldog
So sorry to hear that Terry - mine's started doing that now too, and it's only done a few hours running.... hammer is at the ready! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was really looking forward to this Sam I really liked the review showing comparisons with other models and the real life prototype was fantastic! I assume this is made in China as everything else is The ‘ quality assurance ‘ is absolutely rubbish It seems the factory/s are causing this and the company’s ( Hornby/ Bachmann/ Dapol etc)don’t have control over quality any more Where metal parts can’t be used there are far better and more convincing standards of paint available these days Just look at war games paints My son had paints that are all kinds of metal effects and are virtually indistinguishable from the real thing I think we’re being fooled as railway modellers Bent running plates! So clear to see yet sent to the customer on a regular basis It makes my blood boil! If railway modelling wasn’t considered nerdy We could complain in the press Thank goodness for social media Fantastic review I prefer your reviews over the others Well done Sam , keep it up😊
I'm pretty sure these are made in China - most of Rail's updates have talked about China, though it doesn't say where they were made on the box! China doesn't come into it though - good and bad comes out of China, there's absolutely no correlation between products being 'poor quality' and 'Chinese'. "Quality assurance" is rubbish though; as seen here, it means absolutely nothing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Oh well. I may be wrong about where they are made, but nearly all of my N Gauge locos are made in China and I haven't had any of the same problems you and others seem to have with Chinese made models, but then, my models aren't made by Hornby or Dapol.
I'm planning to get a LBSCR A1X Terrier, name it Gerald (My Grandpa's Middle Name), give it a cow catcher/plow, give it knuckle couplers, and gift it to him. He has an American 1950s layout, and I want to thank him for helping me into the hobby! How does this sound? Any tips?
Hi Sam, great review. I saw the warp in the running plate as soon as you got it out of the box, and I was waiting for you to say something! I also noticed the boiler seems warped too.... At least watching on my iPhone! I wonder if the warped running plate is part of the derailment issues along with the wheels being out of gauge? Those 2 factors might be causing the sprung centre axle to jump & pull the wheels off the track. For £130, the build quality needs to be much higher than Hornby’s, and it looks like Dapol missed it this time....
haha thanks Ewan - I saw it too, but waited until I could check with the ruler! Good spot on the boiler too - seems you're right - others have noticed the same thing. You're right, £30 extra was far too much! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, I did notice that there is a slight twist to the track where the terrier derailed so the gauge could well be the problem. The Hornby terrier visibly twisted in it's travel on that piece of track.
Here’s an idea I have, Go to your spare oo scale locomotive parts box and look for oo scale locomotive shells or parts that are too damaged to be useful, repaint them to look like scrap engines, and then make a little scrap yard for the layout .
Coming from Surrey, I love this amber (green)! livery and the Terriers. I just wish someone would make a good one. I cannot see past that banana running plate, now you've mentioned it. You praise the brass chimney but it's not even fitted! A half assed attempt to get it on there has failed. As for the mysterious derailing on a piece of track that your other models can cope with, makes this another no no for me. I'm a year late due to illness, but I am next going to watch your Hornby version. Will this be the one? Great review Sam, please keep up the great service that you provide.
I must be the lucky one, my base is straight, although it looks to have a very slight bow, but I measured it with a steel rule and it is straight. Has the slight gap at the rear of the roof like yours. Back to back measurement measured to be correct. I surprised you had to take the tape off the speaker, mine fell out when I took it apart to fit the DCC. It then took me a while to figure where it fitted. Must admit nice model.
The point you made about the metalled paintwork reminds me of a problem I had a few years ago painting my tank collection. The paint I was using was very lumpy and I then realised that the tin was actually a few years old and had been already opened for use on an earlier project. Didn't they check the dates on the paint tins/bottles because the paint is not as smooth as it should be, metal finish or not?
Thanks Kevin! I thought it was intentional when I saw it, but others are describing it as a defect! I thought the effect was quite good, but then I've never seen a terrier up close - does it look wrong to you? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Maybe that bent running board is causing the derailments. If the mounts on the chassis/ running boards are just a couple millimeters off spec, that could be what's bending the running boards. If that's the case, the running boards might be also be acting like a spring and exerting force on the chassis, causing the chassis to bend or twist slightly. Did you remove the running board to see if flattens out once it's separated from the chassis?
I have one with factory fitted sound. Its a lovely looking model but is an appalling runner stalling frequently not just on points but on plain track too. This is the second example I've had from Rails, the first one I sent back with the same issue so there seems to be a general problem with the model. However, the running plate issue highlighted in the video isn't apparent on my model
Hi Sam, thanks for your review, I wont be buying either the Dapol nor the Hornby so you saved me some money!, but you cost me on the Hornby 0-6-0 Pecket where your review made me have to have one. On the video you can see the Dapol Terrier rear driven wheel turning 20 degrees before the other wheels start (from reverse to forwards). If I had received such a bent loco it would be returned. Best regards Andrew
Thanks Andrew, yes both are imperfect, that's for sure! I trust you were satisfied with the Peckett though?! :D You're right about the coupling rods - far too slack! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When I previously visited at the NRM can’t remember when. I haven’t seen boxhill anywhere. She’s not in the main hall nor the other area unless she’s kept hidden somewhere 23:20 did I saw 2 tank engines at the same time
Very nice review Sam. Now Christmas is coming sort of soonish and I'm no completely serious model railroaded but I think I can recommend the Lionel Polar Express I would very much like to see a review on it, but if you can't I completely understand. All the best Rilian.
You ought to give the newly released Terrier Tank Engine from Hornby a test, available in Chester Model Shop. A number of the model steamies I bought from there have given me no trouble whatsoever. I think if you started buying model engines from there, you'd get far better results than what other model shop purchases give you. It's all plusses for me, all my engines work perfectly well. Yes, the steamies came from more than one shop, but that aside, they all work perfectly. The only drawbacks I've suffered are the A4 tender coming apart with Union of South Africa in Garter Blue, a worn-out motor in one Santa Express Tank Engine (the other one works perfectly) and Peckett Westminster suffering a broken coupling rod. Also, my little Heljan engine Spookie from ebay works better than the one I bought online from DJ Models Shop. You should have let Boxhill haul the short goods train. She would have performed better. Believe me, I'm sure Hattons and Chester Model Shop have better-working model steamies than Rails of Sheffield.
Hi Sam, Nice review, it's like my mother in law, looks ok but goes off the rails quite often, All the Best Brian 🤗
haha!! Sorry to hear you've got that to put up with Brian, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
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Very interesting to see the differences between Rails/Dapol & Hornby there. I was thinking about getting a second Terrier and going for the Rails/Dapol one this time but actually I think I'll save a bit of cash and get a second Hornby one if I do. Thanks for such a thorough review Sam! 👍
Thanks very much mate - yeah I'd honestly go with Hornby; they work properly, so they win by default!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think that warped plate alone would warrant a return for replacement or refund and the gauging issue puts it beyond question.
Yeah you're right - that's what I'd recommend people do in the same situation - I decided to keep mine, so that I could finish my review and get it out on time - took one for the team! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
%100 mate a warped Metal chassis is not good enough
@@SamsTrains You should be fine to return it and get a new one, and let us know if that one still has the same issues. I'm in Australia and I had wagons which the frames started warping after a year or so of use, and the company happily identified there was a fault(bad quality die-cast) and replaced them with different wagons which did not have a fault. I think you're more than entitled to get a new one without issues.
@@SamsTrains I still think you should get in touch with them and say that you have tried to live with it but are unhappy with the bent footplate and do not think this is of merchantable quality and ask for a swap. Other reviewers (e.g. Jenny Kirk) have been much luckier in this regard so its definitely not all locos. You can then do a second article abou how well a returns process went and how good a replacement loco is. I think a lot of people would be very interested in an article on dealing with issues and returns, as it is something that worries all of us to do it.
@@extrapolator2000 He did, got a replacement, the replacement was better but still had a warped running plate.
Lol I love it how you are pleasantly surprised that the locomotive actually couples up to the coaches properly! You would think that having couplings at the correct height and that actually work would be a given for any model. :p. Great review as always.
haha! It's a sorry state of affairs, but it is a pleasant surprise when a non-Hornby/Bachmann loco couples properly, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'll stick to my old Dapol Terrier, for now at least. There's no excuse for this kind of shoddy build quality. :(
It's a pity you should be made to feel that way, but I honestly can't blame you - I didn't enjoy this as much as I expected to - it was just one thing after another :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
There have been quite a few terrible running locomotives and some not so good running wagons either. I have heard Dapol are bringing the wagon production back to the UK as they are probably losing faith in the quality control in their factory in China, I wonder if they will bring locomotive production to the UK?
@@bentullett6068 As a basic penny-pincher customer, I sincerely would pay with no discussion 20 to 30 GBP more per model to get a top-notch quality control. GBP 110, it is the equivalent of three weeks of groceries for me, I don't want to put such an amount of money into a non-essential object I can't even use properly, or being warped in the factory.
@@bentullett6068 If Peco can manufacture here and still beat their competitors on both quality and price, I don't see why Dapol, or Hornby for that matter, can't do the same.
@@Cthulhu1970 that is true problem is people will complain about the prices even more and it might be difficult getting people to work on a production line making model trains, unless they fully automate the process.
Refreshing indeed to watch an unbiassed review from someone so passionate about the hobby and who has massive experience of model locos including their mechanisms and who knows how to fully evaluate each model from considerable experience in repairing likely many 100s of models from the mainstream manufacturers. I always check Sams reviews before considering a purchase and especially these days when my finances are squeezed and models seem to be increasing in price way above annual inflation for some strange reason. Thanks Sam for taking the time and effort and investing your cash to assist the average enthusiast in making informed buying decisions. Your recommendations have paid dividends in my recent purchases of the Hornby J15 and J50 - both superb models and good value as pointed out in your reviews!
Many thanks for your kind words John - that's a lovely thing to read. Fantastic that you picked up a j15 and j50 - I thought they were both absolutely outstanding models, and I'm glad you agree!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This has to be the most detailed loco i had ever seen!
It is very very detailed! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi, Sam. I'm a bit late coming in on this one, but I may have an answer to your question "Why are [Hornby and Rails/Dapol] flooding the market with Terriers?" AFAIK, it's a combination of coincidence and rapacious competition.
There was a TV series about Hornby a couple of years ago which featured this very question. Rails of Sheffield were planning and publicising their new range of Terriers and Hornby heard about it. According to the show, Hornby considered the Terrier to be "theirs" -- that is, a loco that was associated with them because they had sold a lot of them in the past -- and they were also planning to release new toolings of the engine in the near future. Hornby decided to rush out their Terriers in order to steal Rails' thunder (and market).
The Rails people, with whom Hornby do a lot of business, were understandably annoyed with this, but metaphorically ground their teeth in front of the cameras and declared that they would produce a higher-quality model for specialist hobbyists like you) rather than the mass market to which Hornby catered. This may explain the "pedigree" comments, though they don't seem to have achieved their aim from what you say. Still, an interesting insight into the business.
hi sam great video bad loco so happy to have an honest model railway reviewer everyone else on youtube would say its perfect lol but u tell the truth and same some people a lot of money ur channel really is the only place for honest reviews thanks sam
Bless you mate - I reap my rewards though, because people actually watch my reviews... that's what you get for being honest ;)
Thanks so much!
Sam :)
This precisely, ninety percent of RUclips reviews are bought and paid for by the manufacturers of the product being reviewed. Human self-centredness does the rest because people like getting free stuff, and/or money for doing as little as they can. Sam has stayed true even when quite serious attempts have been made to sway him or buy his opinion. The entire world needs more people like Sam and to flush people like ‘Unboxing Therapy’ down the bog.
I had to relegate the re-tooled Hornby Terrier to the scrap line, joining my S15, M7 and Adams Radial failures. No matter what I did I couldn't get the Terrier to run properly; I checked the back-to-back with a gauge, lubricated wherever I could, checked the pickups were all in contact where they should be, but still it couldn't do a circuit without jerking, slowing, speeding and cutting out. I had a small collection of the original and ancient Hornby/Dapol models and, despite them being lacking in the finer details, they all ran perfectly. I won't be getting the Rails version either! Another excellent, cautionary and comprehensive review Sam. Thank you. PS, not one of my Bachmann steam locos has failed, ever, despite the motors frequently being noisier.
The detail and paintwork looks amazing!
I agree - totally amazing! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam congratulations on 90k subscribers! I can't believe how quickly you have grown this year! I subscribed earlier this year when you were in between 60-70k subs and have loved every video since! Looking forward to 100k subscribers...you certainly deserve it!
Thanks so much Harry - I can't believe it either, certainly been a crazy year! Really glad you're enjoying the videos, really appreciate it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I sincerely hope you send this engine back, the issues with the running plate and gauge are completely unacceptable from a modern model
Thanks Greg - I did decide to keep it, as I couldn't put off the review any longer - but sure, I'd recommend anyone else definitely sent something like this back!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam , my Boxhill came on Monday and I pleased to say that mine has a straight running plate and the detailing is absolutely perfect on mine . I also have the Southern olive green version which came a month earlier which also had a perfect body but was very noisy , I removed the body a and found there was no lubrication I could see , once the gears were greased and tiny amount of oil to the motor there was a big improvement . As far as pulling power is concerned the real loco only had a tractive effort of 7600LB which is probably only fit for hauling two coaches or a light pickup freight ..David
Very glad to hear that you got some good examples - pity you had to strip and service in order to get decent running though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review Sam as always I think Hornby just takes the win with this one as the performance from Dapol left to be more desired fantastic as always 🙂🙂
Yeah you're right - the price difference settles it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
And fortunately for them both, Oxford Rail had not planned to do their own : detailed beyond everything possible (the gauges in the control pannel have not painted pointers, they are functionnal, you can see the pointers moving when the engine is running, according to speed), seven-poles motor with a stunning crawl (one metre in one month minimal speed) and a flywheel (at full speed, see ahead to shut down the power early, the engine needs one minute to stop due to the flywheel), and an unseen level of performance (can pull ten coaches. Real ones, not OO scale), for only GBP 75. RRP, not retailer's price...
There is some imrovement possible on the Hornby model (only a five poles motor would be great for me, but some details improvements could be done easily), and a great deal of things to do better with the Dapol/RoS one. That's a pity for the Rails model, and I hope that would be a kick in the rear side for Hornby to do better with their already good model.
Hi Sam, Thanks for another great review. I've got one of the LBSC Umber terrier that Rails released in May. The livery looks beautiful until you get close as there is a scratch on the cab roof. Also that gap between the two bits of the cab looks horrendous on mine as it is a white roof. Finally it is a poor runner and the motor is very loud. At least there is no bent running plate!
I have six new Hornby terriers and I have never had any issue so when I got my £110 Rails terrier I was quite disappointed.
Thanks again for the review, Thomas
So sorry to hear yours was so poor too - did you contact rails to see about a replacement?? :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam,
Love the Engine Green T-shirt.
Regards,
Jim
haha thanks Jim, I'm very proud of that too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Sam'sTrains Um that's actually blue. No green at all.
@@TheUnknownSoul43 that was the whole joke
@@isaacmarchand6746I know. I was joking in return.
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No, what you said was not a joke at all. You actually thought Sam meant what he said. Don’t try to lie your way out of it as it’s so obvious what you thought from the comment. Also, jokes are meant to be humorous.
Yes Sam I've been waiting for this review by you for ages 😊
Thanks so much - hope you enjoy it! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That warped plate alone would be a dealbreaker for me, no need for that, especially for a model thats been recalled so many times, looks good from a distance tho ;)
Yeah you're right - after almost 2 years of delay, there's no way it should have been this bad!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Locomotives HISTORY sections are so important to all serious modelers. THANK YOU SAM!
Indeed they are - this is the second time you seem to have missed it! If it's so important, don't skip it... it was in the video! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Sorry my Mistake :-)
This is the first time I watched this video first!!!!!!!😂😂
Awesome!! You're very early!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
remember that time were he written and pinned first
Oh I don't know I just subscribed to samstrains 7 or 8 months ago
Once again a great and entertaining review from 'the boy who plays on the carpet'. I like the objectivity, formula and breakdown of your reviews. Always very informative and never a dull moment. What is also a positive note in my book: you bought yours, so it is in a state we could expect it to arrive if we bought it. Not checked and tested samples send out for good publicity. One minor notch, please put something in front of your heater when you do the slow crawling test please. Maybe just a billboard with your logo or so 😋. Great review, looking forward to the next!
Thanks very much mate, glad you enjoyed it! Exactly - I make a point of buying all of my models these days in the interest of transparency!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Man having watched both The Unlucky Tug's How I built Thomas video, and now this review I've got to say that Rails of Sheffield really did take the L with this Terrier model especially since they touted that this model was the more "premium" product in comparison to the Hornby one (Hindsight really wasn't kind to them and they had to eat their own words). I guess this is just another case of abysmal Quality Control from Dapol when it comes to 00 Gauge.
I think you were very kind and generous towards this model. I do appreciate that Hornby did do the dirty on Rails and I was really rooting for them to do well with their terrier. But if I had a bent footplate and constant derailing, it would be straight back for a refund.
haha I tried to be reasonable at the very least! You might be right - I wouldn't recommend anyone keep a model in this state!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam you should look at the Terrier Stepney 55 loco, I think you would be inprested
I would like to - you mean the Hornby?! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yeah Hornby
I love your videos!!! Keep making them because they’re really good!!!
Thanks so much - I will do! :D
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Thanks Sam. You just saved me a hundred quid. Brilliant and very thorough review as always though. Lousy model. Assembly should have been 100 times better than that. I noticed the bend in the solebar, and the distinct droop in the smokebox, as soon as you took it out of the box. I had high expectations on this one. Ah well !!
No problem mate - really glad you liked the review! Yes the assembly/quality let this down big time, as is so often the case :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam
A great review
3 weeks ago I purchased the Hornby Terrier 3848x DCC fitted for £103.48.
It ran perfectly from the box and has wonderful paintwork.
The rails of Sheffield DCC fitted Terrier would have cost me £140 ,that's over £36 pound more so I'm pleased I made the right choice.
Thanks James! Yes the difference in price is quite large, very true!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam,
This is the bent, ill-fitting model Dapol/Rails send out to be reviewed? That’s crazy. Suicidal. How do they expect to sell these if they produce warped models and send them out for review? I won’t be buying one now, and I was seriously considering buying one before this video.
Jim
Hey Jim, it wasn't a review sample or anything - I bought this as a customer, but this is what they sent! It's such a pity, because they look amazing, but if I had my time again, I'd stick with Hornby and keep the £29!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains But Sam, they know your name and address. They know that sending you anything less than a 100% model will result in lost sales. So they should, if they have any business sense, make damn sure anything they send to you is as perfect as they can make it.
Hornby may have had the last laugh after all.
Honestly I have three of theses locos and all are in perfect condition with no bent running boards if your loco is faulty I sure they'll replace it
When I saw this video, I thought I would be regretting to have bought my Hornby one. Well, I am not at all. I dit this for stupid reasons : availability (immediate for Hornby, had to wait for RoS/Dapol) and lower price. One rare occasion where it pays off to be an impatient scrooge.
Having watched quite a few of your reviews over the past year, at first I wondered why, when a loco was very poor from the start, you continued with the test and review. Now, I appreciate that you do continue, because it highlights both the bad and the good points of each loco, allowing the viewer to apply their own values. (Mine pretty well match yours).
I wonder if the derailing problem might be from an over-sprung mid-wheel? It seems to lift the lead or trailing axle at that curve.
I do hope you sent that back. The bent plate is unforgivable along with the gaps in the panels. To my mind as it is it is unsalable. Throughly disgusted that it was put on sale in that condition.
I decided to stick with mine - I couldn't afford to delay the review any longer! Besides, it's my proof that I was telling the truth about it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I recently purchased a Hornby 'Brighton' Terrier with the exact same livery and I love it to bits! I will fit it with DCC and would like to have sound on it too. I have finally been able to relocate my hobby workshop, so I will be able to lay some track before Yuletide. Thank you for the review, Sam! I think I made the right choice in purchasing a Hornby Terrier. Stay well and keep on chooching!
Great to hear you love yours - hard to go wrong with Hornby's for the price really!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
legend says that Sam'sTrains never replies to comments
Yeah I heard that too - I think it's true!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam'sTrains replies to comments all the time though?
I've got a Bachmann 57xx (L92) , which has a central sprung axle. I think it helps over points as it stops the see-saw moment over the points, which alot of small wheelbase 0-6-0's struggle with.
Excellent video, really enjoyed it.
Thanks for this William, appreciate the info too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Stepney’s back! :P
Yeah he is!! :D
I had the opposite experience. My Hornby Terrier went back and the Dapol one runs perfectly, to the extent I have since fitted it with sound.
Last time I was this early to a vid it hadn't been uploaded. (It was a premier thing)
haha well done!! :D
Very nice review Sam. I have 3 Dapol items and have had quality issues on all of them. The first was the LSWR B4 ‘Caen’ where the axle assembly became loose and the loco stopped working after hardly any use. I should have returned it at the time but due to various outside reasons I never did. The second was the SE&CR Terrier where a buffer was loose in the box and the cab wasn’t sitting quite right on the chassis but was better when pushed back into place. The last one was the Tiphook Telescopic Hood Wagon where the movable hoods came away in my hand. It was with some difficulty that I was able to accurately glue them back in place. I kept the ‘steel coil’ loads for use in other wagons or sitting in the factory area. It’s just my bad luck but I shall be avoiding Dapol in the future. Three out of three is not a good average in my book. I will say they are all nice looking models though.
Hey @Sam’s Trains I think you may be colorblind because your shirt is blue not green 😓 sorry mate.
Ha! Thanks for chiming in. I was beginning to think I'd somehow grown colorblind.
Yep - that's the joke ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You’ve shown the world you’re behind with this comment. It was, to anyone with even a hint of grey matter in their cranium, clearly Sam being silly because ‘Improved Engine Green’ has never been anything like being green. It’s a warm yellow colour.
I bought a model of Boxhill at the National Railway Museum last Tuesday, lots of stunning locomotives down there
what if they let hornby build the model and let dapol paint it it would be the best of both worlds
haha yeah, I reckon that'd be best, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I am super excited to get my hands on the Terriers! I am waiting for my DCC Fitted GWR Livery Terrier to come in and just have to wait for the DCC Fitting for the Brighton Terrier to become available! Amazing review as always and keep on modelling!
Ooh fantastic Matt - those look lovely in the GWR good luck! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent video! I have three Dapol Terriers, all purchased new 20+ years ago. (Boxhill, Stepney and Brighton) Beautiful models, and smooth runners too. Good to see them again here, in terms of new releases but, given the video, it does appear the Hornby offering may have been a bit 'rushed'.
Great review as always Sam. I've got an old dapol terrier and a new Hornby terrier and was really hoping the rails was a good loco. However the bent running plate and poor fitting parts are unforgivable! Great comparison between all the different variants, very interesting to see.
Thanks Lewis - yeah too many problems unfortunately - and they seem to be consistent across many models, given the other reviews I've seen!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Paul Boyland and his companions in Chester Model Shop have great working models to offer you. The engines are always tested before being sold to the paying customer. Also, on many of the models, a Special Offer price is on offer to the customer. Trust me, Paul Boyland won't ever make you feel ripped off. He's always good to me, and there's no reason why he wouldn't do the same for you. He treats all customers fairly, apart from the fact that I'm his favourite customer. In Chester Model Shop, the gentleman will do anything for those including me after a perfectly-working model engine. He is the answer to all your performance problems, I tell you no lies. Shop with him, you won't have any performance problems ever again. I know so, otherwise I wouldn't highly recommend him to you.
That sounds very good Kelly, always glad to hear a model shop looks out for their customers! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Cheers, Sam. Your standing in this hobby should merit a reply from Rails.
Thanks mate! I'm sure not - can't imagine what there is to say about this!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks very much for this fantastic, balanced and honest review Sam. I've been undecided about whether to go for a Hornby or Rails/Dapol Terrier so really appreciate seeing you review this and it is disappointing to see your model has exactly the same running plate issues as I have seen elsewhere. Ignore the naysayers who go on about your layout being on carpet etc...I thought the section where you showed every 0-6-0 loco' you have going over that curve perfectly but this Terrier derailing every time was thoroughly scientific and revealing to say the least. It is a shame to see but much appreciated.
Thanks so much for the comment Jon! I'm here for the viewers, not for the manufacturers. To have defended this model at all costs (as others seem to have done) would be dishonest, and blatantly so given how evident the quality problems are. Reviews must be honest and independent - I no longer accept samples for free, and I won't do paid reviews! As you can see by the viewing figures, my approach is most effective. I might not be 'mates' with many manufacturers, but I can sleep easy at night knowing that I can stand by everything I say!
Cheers mate, really appreciate it,
Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I totally agree with Jon - I've recently watched another youtube review of these models that was incredibly biassed to the point I was cringing! With Sam's reviews you get an honest, impartial and well-researched review that can be trusted as a basis on whether to purchase or not. If I'd paid £110 for this I'd be absolutely livid as that is a serious amount of cash to drop on what is basically a plastic Chinese toy for adults. And yes, I do love these plastic toys a bit too much!
Many thanks for the support John, again very nice to read such things!
@@johncarlin5713 Cheers John thank you :) I do genuinely wish these had been a flat-out success as then it would be an easy decision! The detail is superior but the running plate and gauging need fixing before these even come close to leaving the factory door. My general perception is that it seems a bit of a lottery as to whether you will get a decent one and although Rails are a genuinely fantastic retailer (in my experience), you shouldn't have to regularly send products back...or at least not half-expect to have to do so when ordering a model. I think I know the RUclips review you refer to and in the comments it made out Sam is unlucky as he often gets faulty models and should change his supplier...utter nonsense. I'm at the point now where I would never buy a model without checking if Sam has reviewed it as I think his appraisals are thorough, unbiased, and absolutely spot-on.
@@jonathanb2622 Yes, I too was hoping for good things from this model after the years of hype and the delays and with the premium pricing I was expecting a premium model that was exemplary in quality, fit, engineering, components and finish. Alas, not to be. What concerns me with reviews from many mainstream sources for new models and especially reviews from model railway magazines is that we are seeing publishers who are afraid to upset their pay-masters e.g. via loss of advertising revenue and almost exclusively now give glowing reviews and claim value-for-money on what are at best middling or even mediocre models. Such an example is the recent Heljan 1366 debacle - and I know as I bought one from Rails and found very similar faults to Sam on that model including a motor that burned out after only 10 minutes of running-in. So yes with the spiralling cost of these models I am now very careful to only purchase after consideration of reviews from trusted sources such as Sam's Trains youtube channel.
Hi Sam great video again of a lovely model personally I prefer the Hornby one also I think the reason I doesn't have coal is because when I went to the NRM the real locomotive didn't have coal also keep up the good work
Thanks Alex, yeah I think that'd be my pick too - the £30 difference makes the difference! I don't think any of them have coal, though I could be wrong!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That part during the 0-6-0 montage when the Green J50 rammed into the back of the J94 I thought was pretty funny. Great review, For the price I did think it would be better than the Hornby one but I wasn’t expecting anything like a wonky running plate.
haha yeah - I didn't know that'd happened until I was editing it, lol! That J50 goes like the clappers. Yeah me too - totally shocked by the poor quality really!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When I started watching the video I thought that either Sam was using a fisheye lens or I needed a trip to Specsavers. Never thought it would actually be the loco that was so bent.
haha yeah, it's so bad it does look like a fisheye, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great Video Sam And That Engine Looks Like Stepney From Thomas And Friends
Thanks mate, yes it certainly does! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review Sam it looks very nice in that improved engine green colour
Thanks David - it really is a great livery! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice video got to say you were lucky mine was really noisy in reverse and not very smooth at low speeds I took it back and the staff in the shop said that it was one of the better ones still it did look great and the customer service at rails was brilliant as always Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate, that's very interesting actually - mine was much better in reverse than it was forwards... and it's running much worse today when I tried it. You're right though, the customer service is very good at Rails!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam I have this one along with Bluebell and Stepney. I have a specific layout for them of one of the bluebell railway stations. Sheffield park I think me and my dad made. All the best. -Oliver-
Ooh very nice! Did you get on okay with it??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes it’s probably one of my best running locomotives.
you should review that hornby leadenhall
I will!! :D
LOVE how you're taking the piss with that ímproved green' XDXD nice vid as usual Sam, thanks once more! Personally i like the detailling on this one, it comes a little bit closer to my Fleischmann and Trix locomotives in 1/87 EDIT: as i keep watching, i have to come back on that... at first glance it looked good, but with the warping and all the parts not fitted properly, i'd be disappointed if i got a loco in this state after paying more than 30 euros for it... this doesn't affect the vid however, so still kudos on you mate :D
haha glad you liked that! Yep - you'd never catch a Fleischmann or Trix loco assembled like that!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Which one would you go for than Sam? The Hornby terrier or the rails of Sheffield terrier?
Despite it's problems, and based on my experience, I'd have to choose the Hornby - it was the more functional model... and plus I get to keep £30!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains fair enough Sam, It's a shame that rails of Sheffield at some point will no longer be selling Hornby products anymore
hi sam, rails of sheffield should have checked these locos under qwality control. another nail in the coffin, i am sticking with my trusty wrenn n2 !
Hi Peter, yes they should have - I know the model was checked, as my packing slip said it was tested. Therefore an employee saw the state of this, and either did nothing, or thought it was acceptable - either way, bang out of order! Your trusty N2 will still be running when these are dust (tomorrow)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ive just now placed an order for the sound fitted Brighton terrier in this Livery, will be interesting to see how they are 2 years on!
I have just taken a second look at this model. As you may know, Jenny Kirk had aTerrier fest on her Monday Club and none of these problems were mentioned. You also said that someone at Rails had removed it from the box and so-called tested it. That handrail on the left side of the boiler looks like it has moved backwards as the paint that is missing is right next to the retainers. Rails should take this one back and send a replacement. Do it Sam! Martin. (Thailand)
Thanks Martin! Yes Jenny's video was interesting - many of the issues (particularly the ill-fitting components on the running plate) were present, but she didn't mention it! You're right about the testing - how did they not notice these problems?! I've looked at the handrail, it's fixed firmly in place, no way of shifting it... I think the holders may even be moulded to the handrail!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm soon going to own a new dapol terrier, same livery too. I already have an improved engine green example from hornby (new tool) so I'll be able to directly compare both for myself too
I have to say though... Already I feel that overall, the hornby example is going to be the better engine...
That's very exciting Guy - let me know how you get on! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A great review (as normal) a loco of contradictions I fear. My default track is to my embarrassment is badly laid 1st radius and I have a kennel of Terriers, Dapol, Hornby, and a new Hornby Terrier. All tackle my below-average track nicely, strange thing is "Piccadilly" one of the old Hornby models runs the smoothest, go figure! It also runs nicely on my micro layouts of sub 1st radius curves. On balance I think I'll not invest in one of these models (though the temptation is a strong thing to ignore). Sam keep up these reviews as an informative view is one to appreciate.
Thanks Kevin - a loco of contradictions for sure! Exactly - it sounds like your track isn't ideal, yet most locos manage it fine - I'd dread to see this terrier on it though! lol xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It’s about time they arrived!
Yeah it is!! :D
I live abroad and had my Terrier sent to a uk address. After the epic delay in production I finally managed to brave quarantine and picked up mine. Base plate curved as well . Have asked Rails for a refund/espacement by the Hornby ‘Brighton’ . Will keep you posted.
Seeing what has happened here and looking at reviews of e.g. Hattons 66 I will certainly avoid spécial éditons from now. Only exception maybe Kernow. Have a 4TC which is ‘tip top’ as they say here in the alps.
Credit to Rails. They have agreed to refund. Will buy a Hornby 'Brighton' in its place.
Thanks for sharing Jim, so sorry to hear that, but this sounds perfectly in-line with my experiences too... right down to their great customer service! I just hope they cover the cost of postage too! Yes the exclusives do seem to go wrong don't they? I must say the 66 I looked at was almost perfect, but I've heard the horror stories. I now purchase all review samples myself, to ensure my experience matches that of a typical customer!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice review on the Dapol/Rails Terrier! This locomotive looks pretty nice in its livery along with the amount of detail this thing has! It’s unfortunate to see that the quality is not that good and same with the price. But overall, this is not that bad of a model. At least the performance and mechanism is good. Overall, I’m giving this locomotive a C+. Good review you made today Sam! 👍
Thanks mate! Yeah visually it's very nice, but far from what was promised :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This LBSCR Terrier Tank Engine Is A Bit Like Stepney The Bluebell Engine From Thomas The Tank Engine And Friends. Thanks Sam'sTrains Mate. X
It certainly is Luke, very similar! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review, but how do you go about changing the back to back distance of the wheels to 14.4mm?
I never had really been interested in purchasing a Terrier model. If I ever decide to get one, the Hornby version is what I will definitely go for. I will still roll the dice on the Dapol Manor Class 4-6-0 once they come out. Other than that, I will pretty much stick to Hornby, Bachmann and Oxford Rail.
Yeah - you get what you pay for with the Hornby version, absolutely! I'll be rolling on the Manor too - I'm hoping they'll get that one right!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Am I colour blind? Or is your camera/ my tablet gone deolali. The improved engine green looks bright orange and your 'matching' t-shirt is Royal blue?
Not the brightest bulb in Blackpool, are you? It was a joke because ‘Improved Engine agree’ has never been anything like green.
Fantastic Review Sam, Looks like Rails/Dapol have shot themselves in the foot, got egg on their face etc ,Thanks Sam for letting the public know before they waste their money on this shoddy example
I personally have a Hornby Leadenhall Terrier and find it very good ,costing £81
Guess this whole Terrier War between Rails and Hornby is the reason why Rails are no longer stocking and selling Hornby Products, a bit petty really when Rails have brought out this shoddy piece of work
Shocking to see warped running plate & pieces ill fitting ,that is enough to give it a big fat Zero
I think you have been very generous Sam with your scoring ,I think a hell of a lot of people would have rated it a big fat Zero
This Terrier would fit very well with the steam punk range meaning: a lot of Turds on wheels masquerading as Trains
Thanks Sam ,Gary
Thanks a lot Gary - absolutely! I really hope their fallout wasn't over this - if it was then Rails have totally shot themselves in the foot - definitely wasn't worth it! Yeah maybe I was too generous, but I did want to reflect the good points too, even if they were hugely overshadowed!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good job sam this is right when my break started
Ahh good! Hope you're having a good day!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains always am when your uploading, thanks mate
I picked up W9 Fishbourne. It has many of the quality issues you highlight: the edges of the running plate also look quite rough, there is dust trapped in the paintwork, random tiny spots of white paint, and scraped paint on the wheels. Paint finish on the body seems quite orange peely compared with Hornby’s Bembridge and Cowes. Plus the fitted speaker wasn’t fitted but loose in the box with the DCC blanking plate. The join on the cab roof and rough finish on fitted parts stop it from being a display model; gauging issues stop it from being a running model. It’ll probably be my first and last Dapol model that I’ll order in advance of production.
That's absolutely shocking Ian - I hope you sent it straight back to them!! The nerve!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Actually no! Its one virtue is that the running plate is flat, so all the superstructure fits perfectly. This may make it a rare item! :-) If I decide to weather it, then I can hide the paint imperfections and the gap in the cab roof (I don't like weathering as I prefer my toy trains mint and shiny, but I will make an exception) . The Terrier is Victorian engineering made both beautiful and functional, so to spoil the lines of the roof in that way just strikes me as a poor design decision. I'm on the Isle of WIght, collect IW versions of locomotives, and the key thing for me is that it's a Fishbourne with the extended coal bunker (if no actual coal) and I don't yet have another option for that locomotive.
I was waiting for this for a while
Awesome, hope you enjoyed it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. Great review matey and the level of livery detail is incredible. However, I have a few points you skipped or didn't notice.
When you removed the body, I could see the 5-pole rotor (armature) of the motor was clearly skew wound, which you didn't mention. As I've mentioned before, this advanced winding design will aid slow running, so strange Hornby didn't also use the same.
The derailing issue. The out of gauge certainly won't help but I have two further probabilities which come to mind from personal experience :
1, are Dapol's wheel flange height less than Hornby's. I know that ultra scale wheel profiles are rubbish at negotiating anything other than perfectly laid curved track and will ride up. I noticed your track at the derailment point had a slight dip. Please compair the flange heights as I suspect Hornby's are larger.
2, the centre wheels are slightly compensated, but you didn't do a side to side float demonstration. If those centre wheels can't move over a tad to allow for the curve, it will derail. Again, compair with Hornby's float.
Lack of torque (pulling power). With that motor technology, this should not be the case. When you said the loco was slowing down through lack of torque, I'd say no. I could distinctly see the wheels slipping. Does the wheels tyre finish look different between the two manufacturers. Different materials have different coefficient of friction values, plus the effect of fineness of surface finish. A smooth finish has better grip metal on metal than does a rough finish. Think slick car tyres give better traction in the dry than do treaded tyres, due to the greater surface contact area. Get the magnifying glass out and check please.
The warped chassis is very worrying. Again, two reasons come to mind :
1, the Mazak alloy problem experienced by Hornby a few years ago may be repeating itself. There are many grades of the alloy. Some are more suitable to thin section models than others. Dapol may have chosen the wrong grade or worse, their sub-contract manufacturer chose it based upon price, not suitability.
2, the Dapol chassis designer is inexperienced in casting design and has placed thin section detail right next to a thick section in an attempt to add the weight needed. Unfortunately, this sudden change in casting cross section causes uneven cooling of the molten metal which in turn causes warpage. Remember you mentioned Hornby had modelled the air gap under the running plate and Dapol hadn't, well that could be significant to the problem !
I call all this engineering detective work.
Hi Andrew,
Many thanks for bringing this to my attention!
- Yes you're right, it is skew wound, as is the standard in models these days.
- I will investigate the flange height - they weren't visibly different, but I can measure to check, same with the side to side movement.
- Yes in places the wheelslip was definitely a factor, but around certain sections the slow-down was evident *even* without a load!
- Thanks a lot for sharing the info on the coefficient of friction - the Hornby model has visibly smoother/shinier wheels than Dapol's which could certainly explain this!
- And very interesting point on the die-casting - I haven't investigated too much into why it happens... I'm only certain about the fact that it's completely unacceptable, and apparently very widespread; even Rails of Sheffield's listing images for Boxhill show noticeable warping!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Just another thought Sam. If Rails of Sheffield announced the Terrier first, then Hornby also decided to make a new version and beat Rails to market, that may be a factor in the spat of Rails no longer stocking Hornby products ?
Such a brilliant locomotive. The Terrier locos have an awesome design. Boxhill is awesome, Stepney is the most famous example for opening the Bluebell Railway and for having a Thomas character of the same name, and one of the other Terrier locos is preserved in Canada. Fenchurch, I believe.
Thanks Tomas, glad you liked it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Fenchurch is here in the UK and is to be found on the Bluebell railway along side Stepney. Waddon is the one to be found in Canada.
@@christopherbellamy639 Oh yeah, Waddon, of course. That’s the one in Canada. Yeah, silly me. Fenchurch is still and always will be in the UK.
@@Tombola1993 I have the hornby Waddon in its departmental service livery
Hi Sam, love the look of this Terrier, nice and a different colour to most others. Seems a shame that it has a few issues on track running. I'm running with 1st radius track and my Harry Potter 4-6-0 runs well and my 4-4-0 does too. I have a few 0-4-0s but I really fancy a 0-6-0, preferably with tender, (but NOT black). Have you any recommendations of a value for money model as I'm pretty skint financially. Kindest regards, Rick the Bulldog
Hi Sam, I have a BR version and it stalls on an eight foot rad curve! plus live points!! Going back to rails next week.
So sorry to hear that Terry - mine's started doing that now too, and it's only done a few hours running.... hammer is at the ready!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think I’m perfectly happy with my Hornby one. XD Great review!
I can't blame you - so am I!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was really looking forward to this Sam
I really liked the review showing comparisons with other models and the real life prototype was fantastic!
I assume this is made in China as everything else is
The ‘ quality assurance ‘
is absolutely rubbish
It seems the factory/s are causing this and the company’s ( Hornby/ Bachmann/ Dapol etc)don’t have control over quality any more
Where metal parts can’t be used there are far better and more convincing standards of paint available these days
Just look at war games paints
My son had paints that are all kinds of metal effects and are virtually indistinguishable from the real thing
I think we’re being fooled as railway modellers
Bent running plates!
So clear to see yet sent to the customer on a regular basis
It makes my blood boil!
If railway modelling wasn’t considered nerdy
We could complain in the press
Thank goodness for social media
Fantastic review I prefer your reviews over the others
Well done Sam , keep it up😊
Nope. The problem has nothing to do with China. The Dapol factory is in England. So who are you going to blame for the quality control now?
I'm pretty sure these are made in China - most of Rail's updates have talked about China, though it doesn't say where they were made on the box! China doesn't come into it though - good and bad comes out of China, there's absolutely no correlation between products being 'poor quality' and 'Chinese'. "Quality assurance" is rubbish though; as seen here, it means absolutely nothing!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Oh well. I may be wrong about where they are made, but nearly all of my N Gauge locos are made in China and I haven't had any of the same problems you and others seem to have with Chinese made models, but then, my models aren't made by Hornby or Dapol.
Absolutely - you can't blame China, they produce too much good stuff!
I'm planning to get a LBSCR A1X Terrier, name it Gerald (My Grandpa's Middle Name), give it a cow catcher/plow, give it knuckle couplers, and gift it to him. He has an American 1950s layout, and I want to thank him for helping me into the hobby! How does this sound? Any tips?
Hi Sam, great review. I saw the warp in the running plate as soon as you got it out of the box, and I was waiting for you to say something! I also noticed the boiler seems warped too.... At least watching on my iPhone! I wonder if the warped running plate is part of the derailment issues along with the wheels being out of gauge? Those 2 factors might be causing the sprung centre axle to jump & pull the wheels off the track.
For £130, the build quality needs to be much higher than Hornby’s, and it looks like Dapol missed it this time....
haha thanks Ewan - I saw it too, but waited until I could check with the ruler! Good spot on the boiler too - seems you're right - others have noticed the same thing. You're right, £30 extra was far too much!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Terriers look amazing!
Yeah!! The colour is just fantastic! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, I did notice that there is a slight twist to the track where the terrier derailed so the gauge could well be the problem. The Hornby terrier visibly twisted in it's travel on that piece of track.
Yeah you may be right - like I say, my track is far from perfect!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Here’s an idea I have, Go to your spare oo scale locomotive parts box and look for oo scale locomotive shells or parts that are too damaged to be useful, repaint them to look like scrap engines, and then make a little scrap yard for the layout .
Great idea - I've always fancied trying that! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I see , I can’t wait to see what it looks like
Coming from Surrey, I love this amber (green)! livery and the Terriers. I just wish someone would make a good one. I cannot see past that banana running plate, now you've mentioned it. You praise the brass chimney but it's not even fitted! A half assed attempt to get it on there has failed. As for the mysterious derailing on a piece of track that your other models can cope with, makes this another no no for me. I'm a year late due to illness, but I am next going to watch your Hornby version. Will this be the one? Great review Sam, please keep up the great service that you provide.
I must be the lucky one, my base is straight, although it looks to have a very slight bow, but I measured it with a steel rule and it is straight. Has the slight gap at the rear of the roof like yours. Back to back measurement measured to be correct. I surprised you had to take the tape off the speaker, mine fell out when I took it apart to fit the DCC. It then took me a while to figure where it fitted. Must admit nice model.
Great to hear yours was better! Seems they're inconsistent if anything... the speaker in mine was stuck fast!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The point you made about the metalled paintwork reminds me of a problem I had a few years ago painting my tank collection. The paint I was using was very lumpy and I then realised that the tin was actually a few years old and had been already opened for use on an earlier project. Didn't they check the dates on the paint tins/bottles because the paint is not as smooth as it should be, metal finish or not?
Thanks Kevin! I thought it was intentional when I saw it, but others are describing it as a defect! I thought the effect was quite good, but then I've never seen a terrier up close - does it look wrong to you?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Two terrieres were last seen working in a tramway in south America. One is in the Canadian railroad museum near A4 dominion of Canada
Wow really?! That's unbelievable! :O
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Maybe that bent running board is causing the derailments. If the mounts on the chassis/ running boards are just a couple millimeters off spec, that could be what's bending the running boards. If that's the case, the running boards might be also be acting like a spring and exerting force on the chassis, causing the chassis to bend or twist slightly. Did you remove the running board to see if flattens out once it's separated from the chassis?
You could be right - I'm not sure about that! I could try running without the chassis, good idea!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is just what I needed to keep me going.
Awesome! Hope you're doing okay my friend,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The green shirt really matches the model. Nice effort on your part
Thank you, I thought it was a great match! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have one with factory fitted sound. Its a lovely looking model but is an appalling runner stalling frequently not just on points but on plain track too. This is the second example I've had from Rails, the first one I sent back with the same issue so there seems to be a general problem with the model. However, the running plate issue highlighted in the video isn't apparent on my model
Hi sam I prefer the dapol one I like the livery of it. Which one do u prefer?
The livery is definitely better on Dapol's, but I prioritise performance, so it's Hornby for me!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, thanks for your review, I wont be buying either the Dapol nor the Hornby so you saved me some money!, but you cost me on the Hornby 0-6-0 Pecket where your review made me have to have one. On the video you can see the Dapol Terrier rear driven wheel turning 20 degrees before the other wheels start (from reverse to forwards). If I had received such a bent loco it would be returned. Best regards Andrew
Thanks Andrew, yes both are imperfect, that's for sure! I trust you were satisfied with the Peckett though?! :D
You're right about the coupling rods - far too slack!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The issues with this Terrier are unacceptable. Great review as usual.
I agree John, it was a shambles really! Glad you liked the video,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When I previously visited at the NRM can’t remember when. I haven’t seen boxhill anywhere. She’s not in the main hall nor the other area unless she’s kept hidden somewhere
23:20 did I saw 2 tank engines at the same time
Yeah someone else said that! And yes - the Lima J50 was much faster than expected, caught up with the next engine! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains really aww I was too late saying it. Lol XD
I have a question for Sam,When did you first get interested in Mini Trains Espeacily Hornby
Probably around 10 years since I got the bug! ;D
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Very nice review Sam. Now Christmas is coming sort of soonish and I'm no completely serious model railroaded but I think I can recommend the Lionel Polar Express I would very much like to see a review on it, but if you can't I completely understand. All the best Rilian.
Thanks mate, ooh the Lionel Polar express sounds cool, I would like one! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You ought to give the newly released Terrier Tank Engine from Hornby a test, available in Chester Model Shop. A number of the model steamies I bought from there have given me no trouble whatsoever. I think if you started buying model engines from there, you'd get far better results than what other model shop purchases give you. It's all plusses for me, all my engines work perfectly well. Yes, the steamies came from more than one shop, but that aside, they all work perfectly. The only drawbacks I've suffered are the A4 tender coming apart with Union of South Africa in Garter Blue, a worn-out motor in one Santa Express Tank Engine (the other one works perfectly) and Peckett Westminster suffering a broken coupling rod. Also, my little Heljan engine Spookie from ebay works better than the one I bought online from DJ Models Shop. You should have let Boxhill haul the short goods train. She would have performed better. Believe me, I'm sure Hattons and Chester Model Shop have better-working model steamies than Rails of Sheffield.
Perhaps I will do Kelly, thanks a lot for the idea, sounds like a great shop! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Best break from online classes no cap
haha very glad to hear that! :D
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