Welding Cart Build - Part 2 - Sheet Metal Bottle Bracket
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Today we're "finishing" the welding card by making a bent sheet metal bracket to anchor the gas bottles to the cart. We'll design the part in Fusion 360, cut it out on the plasma table, and bend it to shape.
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00:22 Intro
00:39 Fusion Design
15:04 Plasma cutting
16:47 Grinding
18:01 Marking the bends
19:15 Bending
23:46 Assembly
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It was going sooooo well James…. Precisely the sort of mistake I make, time and time again 😁. I like the way you explain the fusion modelling process, I’ve learnt a load from watching these vids…. Thanks and happy new year!
You messed up the holes measures cos' you were using globes with the grinder. You never use globes with a grinder... you just dont. You should know better. Shame on you! Im unsubscribing this 02/30. That'll teach you.
I have been following your channel for more than a year. Congratulations on the contents and for the complete and comprehensive explanations. Being a professional in the subjects you deal with on the channel, I especially congratulate you on your honesty! RUclips is full of channels that show timeslices of projects that came out well the first time without following measurements, drawings and tracing. Instead, you always show the whole process, from thought to realization, including the trivial mistakes that all humans can make. Bravo always continues like this!
Love the build. Very interesting content on your channel, James. One thing I do whenever I’m measuring something with a tape and can’t use the hook is to go to the 10” mark. That way, it is like a 2nd zero. A cabinet maker friend told me that years and years ago, and it has worked well for me. Thanks for the great content!
Yeah, that's a good idea. Won't help if you're measuring bigger items, but for small stuff like this, it would make errors super obvious.
24:15 I like to call that "getting caught burning one" 🤣 we've all done it. That mag brake looks pretty handy, without it that bottom flange would have been bent the other direction. Nice work James 👍
There's only one guy on RUclips that would redo this bracket, because of those misplaced holes. And I LOVE it! That is the way to learn - and remember until next project, that You shouldn't make such a mistake. Well done! 🤩👍
You keep asking for it, so I'll just do it (while not actually caring or knowing): "you can injure yourself by wearing gloves while using a die grinder".
Hi James. Been watching your stuff since the ELS Project. You do an awesome job. Not sure if it has been suggested (didn’t want to read 100 comments) but an old sheet metal trick is to draw your bend locations on you flat profile, a small 2-3mm half round nick on the ends of each bend line. The plasma/laser marks out the bends for you. Simply grind off once bent.
Cheers. Thanks for the content.
Ray. All the way from AUS
Awesome job! I love the idea of using a toolbox for a welding cart.
Do you think you should put in a cross bar at the bottom of the gas bottles so that one can't slide to the side and fall out from under the chain? It won't matter if you have two bottles installed. But maybe with only one it can slide just enough to the side to fall lower than the chain. I'm probably being excessive but I just wanted to let you know if you hadn't thought of it.
since the bracket is 3-dimensional, the bottles should not be able to move that far if the chain is tight. The bottle should bind up before it slips low enough.
@@nordishkiel5985 Yep I totally agree. The chain looks decently tight but they'll always have some slack unless you find the perfect chain link size. I always like to add an additional elastic around the cylinder to stop them from rattling around.
From the video it doesn't look like the cylinder should be able to slide like I mentioned, but I just wanted to let him know so he can test it out just in case.
I always offset to the TEN inch mark, not the one inch mark, because it's a lot easier to see if you're off by ten inches...
Great bracket and great demo of what a Magnabend can do. The tape measure problem can be avoided by lining up the tape at the 10 inch mark for the origin point..
Great work. I guess you will paint those brackets ?
That “failed” bracket could still be used to secure the bottom of the bottles so it don’t slide around if only one is being used. Btw love the fusion lessons.
Well done James, it actually turned out really well. A great example of what can be achieved with the right tools along with somebody who takes the time and care to study and understand how to achieve a professional result with those tools, including Fusion 360 (I SO need to dedicate some real time to properly understand it).
I think you will end up and the brackets to hold the cables. The way I have Mine wrapped around the welder, they keep getting in the way of using the drawers. It gets annoying.
When I first saw the completed part with the wrong hole dimensions, I thought to myself, "He's gonna make another one!" Quite a professional job, as with all you do.
Thanks for another great video....
I thought the same thing. I said to myself "I bet he already fabricated a replacement with the correct hole dimensions". And he did. I would too.
I call it "punish work"
I am have so much to learn about the sheetmetal function in Fusion. That bottle mount turned out great James. Thanks for posting.
Dude, you are the master of Fusion!
Injure yourself by wearing gloves? That is not the actual problem. The problem is you having the lights on. If the lights are off and you have an accident, but cannot see the accident, did the accident actually happen then?
Ooh, hints of Schroedinger there…
I didn't know about the "measure" command when typing in extrude lengths in Fusion! I'd usually use an arbitrary length at first so I could exit the sketch and measure it. Thanks for the tip!
Have you thought about using the first bracket on the bottom?
That's a good idea. Hmm...
Part number on that Husky cart? Also, can I buy a bracket from you??? Love this setup!
I believe it's the H27TR5TB. I'm not planning on producing these parts at this time.
Gosh, you need to consider safety. Never use a grinder and flappy discs with only safety glasses. Always, always use a face mask or you will risc Covid. To be 100% safe, use floppy discs instead of flappy discs. I would say the 5.25" is safer than the 8". Grin :-)
Nicely done. I would vote yes for painting the bottom and the brackets. It will bug you ...Unfinished.. ..unfinished.. and so this will torment you every time you see it.
Look at you buff bro! You weren't showing off that Milwaukee 😂
I work off 1" ALL the time too and every one in awhile it happens - You're not alone bud.
Gas bottles are no joke! We were constructing 14 elevators, 30 story bldg and a Oxy bottle went over & broke valve off. The bottle punched a hole in a block wall 3" off the ground & beat the crap out of the room. SCARY
OMG. You screwed up and now my hero worship image of you is forever shattered. ;) Nice to see more honest RUclipsrs that don't edit out the parts that don't go exactly according to plan.
Resembles the cart I put together five years ago. It wasn't even my idea, but I've loved it ever since completing. Started out with only a Mig machine. I now have a Plasma/TIG/Stick multi-function machine with the Mig machine on it.
Fusion lessons are great James…thanks for the concise instruction pointers.
James, I really admire your work and your shop. I have gained great insight into multiple processes watching you. I believe I will sub. Do you still have that bad bottle bracket ?
That bracket looks lite a perfect candidate for some powder coating.. Hint, hint :)
Awsome work as always James..
Thinking in 3D is a real head full ! But if you think it's too much your done before you even start ! But ONCE you train your thinking looks like is the biggest part of getting you head wrapped around it all . Am I correct in my thoughts on this James? Or am I still.l missing Something?
I think I would have put that first bottle rack that you bent on some aluminum\copper and welded the holes shut and just drilled new holes. 🙂. Great thing about aluminum\copper is that when welding carbon steel, the weld won't stick to the aluminum.
I will admit that the cart did look good after completion though. Well done !!!!
im pretty jealous about how easy you built your stuff in fusion 360 ... I tried and still have hard time to make " basic things " with this program :/
Yes, bring out the bottle! Oh, you meant the gas bottle? Cheers anyway and thanks for sharing! Beautiful work!
Just recently started watching this channel. I really like it. Good "Around the shop" projects, VERY good Fusion 360 walk-throughs, and a great focus on how an imperfect man in an imperfect world can still strive for perfection, and get some pretty impressive work done. Thanks for the work you do making these videos, James.
Great job as usual. It's nice to see someone else make a Mr. Bozo mistake, now and then and it's good of you to 'share those instructive if less than fulfilling, moments with us. We have all done it. Now if I can just get one of those "shop robots" of yours, LOL.
James, I always wear gloves while using a die grinder. Once I was using a die grinder with a cut off wheel while I was sitting on a stool. I stop to change the wheel, unplugging it from the air supply of course, and l laid my gloves to the side while I changed the wheel. After changing the wheel I plugged it back in to the air supply and laid it on my lap. When I reached for my gloves the die grinder started to slip, so I pinched my legs together to catch it, which squeezed the trigger and cut a 1/2” deep gouge into both my legs. I guess I could blame the gloves, nope just my own stupidity!
Really enjoy watching your content. Someone else may have already mentioned this in the comments, but have you considered adding a feature to your plasma cutter to have a fine tip sharpie with a well known offset to draw the lines you need to bend on? Maybe not accurate enough for you. I attached a sharpie to my 3d printer so I can draw out shapes on paper or flat plastic surfaces like a plotter. Works pretty good for my purposes. I then saw it on Shane's Stuff Made Here channel on a video called "This marker will change the way you work with sheet metal". I'm also a software engineer and have a similar philosophy to you on how you design your products. i.e. if a 3D printed part is strong enough, great. If not, rebuild it in metal after using it for a while. In any case, thanks for your videos!
I've never, ever burned an inch and forgotten to account for it. Nope, never have... ok maybe once... or more. That was a very nice build. Where is your powder coating setup?
I would probably have made the same decision to completely rebuild the bracket, but I would have been out of sheet metal. So I would have used PPP (patches, paint, and patience) to make it presentable.
Excellent build and video! I LOLd at your "revised" bracket!
Nice video James! Quick tip! If you want to select all of a slot ie to mirror it, instead of selecting both lines and both arcs, double click on any of the parts of the slot and it will select all of it. Same for all closed patterns.
Oh, awesome!
Actually James , Wearing gloves with a Grinder is the the right thing to do :) , But man that comment killed me When you said "tell me how i can hurt my self with wearing gloves with a grinder, haven't heard that one before" , Oh and GJ on that welding cart so far , you are making me want to build my own plasma cutter , seeing as im finishing my laser soon i might just do that.
Any way great video like always keep it coming
Some how I just knew you were going to remake that part........having the holes in the wrong spot would drive you nuts every time you looked at it...... 😁
James, Nice job. I have that exact box. Would you consider selling the cut file for the bottle storage?
Always wondered what fellas do for work to afford such well equipped home shops with such quality equipment and tools. Genuine curiosity not a knock in anyway
I have that same cabinet I’m gonna make a 2 bottle cart for. Send me that first piece, I’ll drill those holes out and reuse it. I don’t have CAD-laser jet so metal strapping it is.
Burn an Inch Minus an inch And once in a while I forget too.kick myself for a few minutes. I love that new binding press . Thanks for the video
Good evening, I'm Mauricio from Mexico, new subscriber, it's an excellent project and everything is falling into place, congratulations.
Is the imperfect piece for sale?
Of course you'd make another one. Ha ha! Turned out great. Ciao, Marco.
You should really be careful to not cut yourself with the edge on your comments about people's comments 😁
Keep on rocking!
We've all been there James. Your honesty is to be commended and as I think I've said before anyone who never made a mistake never made anything!
Haha, I have a 10 yr old bandmill that I started using before it was finished...
Aint nothin to sneeze at there. Anyone who's done any lick of carpentry has forgotten that they burned the inch. Good for you on the re-make. Be nothing worse than those extra holes torturing you for eternity. Pretty slick setup youve put together there.
Interesting and entertaining video, as always. You obviously know how to use reflection, but you could save even more time if you used it more consistently - as you still modelled some features on both sides of the centre line of this bracket. On a completely symmetrical object like this, it's a real timesaver if you can discipline yourself to only ever model one side of the object - then do your fillets (you'll have less edges to select) - and finally do any reflection(s). It can also make modifications easier to find and execute, as you'll usually have less sketches to navigate - and it's great when making models parametric - as the feature count in your sketches will inevitably be lower. Years of creating models in 3ds Max has made me overly sensitive when I see people thinking of reflection at a feature level when, on objects with one or more lines of symmetry, it's usually more efficient to think about it at the entire model level. Just something to think about.
I try to resist the urge to "finish" or fully assemble my shop projects until they get a coat of paint or powder coating. Because, if I don't... they'll end up bare metal for life. Same with all those "weld together kits" like 2x72 belt grinder, tube benders etc... I was so happy they were assembled and working, they just stayed bare metal.
This project is no exception. It'll probably be bare for life.
There is literally no reason what so ever to need to use autodesk for this project. Anyone could have welded some angle iron together to make the base and bend the tank supports. . All this did was waste time building the cart and the viewers time.
I am planning a very similar design using angle iron. But my plan is to use a steel plate under the bottles and eliminate the second piece of angle iron. This will allow the bottle to rest against the cabinet. I plan to use a ratchet strap to hold the bottle and attach the ends to brackets using the mounting holes on the cabinet. I will probably add vertical pieces of angle iron on the back and build something to hang cables.
Would it be beneficial (or even possible) to add a sharpie marker or similar to the plasma table for marking bend lines?
I would have made a sketch on the back of some scratch paper and just made the thing.
My OCD now says ... powder coat it, black.
Awesome video production/discussion/demonstration/build…..suggestion, shoot the bare metal with Deft clear satin lacquer to seal the metal and gives a great feel to the surface
Can't tell you how many times I have done that; started at the 1 to avoid the end, and forgot to subtract it out. Missed it by that much 🤯
Hey, just wondering, is the spring-back of the material in the brake repeatable? I'm wondering if you can add x-degrees to the bend spec to hit your target exactly (+/-)? Again, great video.
Probably. It would be easy to test, but for a one-off project, bend and check seems to work well enough.
Great content and great idea using the cabinet. Have a very similar cart about half done in the garage.
Awesome video! I really like your Fusion 360 tutorials. You are more skilled that I am so I always learn something new, but not so far past me I have no idea what you are talking about. Much appreciated! Random question. Do you run an out of the jug plasma cutting fluid in your water table or a homebrew recipe?
I'm running water and borax, and it isn't working very well.
I like it.
I think a piece of plywood 1/4" to 1/2" under the bottles might be nice, it would just keep stuff from falling through and making it a shelf instead of a trap for things to get hung up in.
Another project, well done.
Thanks for letting us watch.
Totally possible. I kind of like the idea of stuff falling through instead of it filling up with garbage that I have to clean. Though it probably makes little difference in practice.
Great vid James! Question/ minor observation: In your Fusion model, your chain key holes were only extruded through the top plate yet your finished parts appears to have holes through both the top AND the bottom? From my dabblings with Fusion, I may deduce that one way to make those holes was to do an 'extrude through all' however after watching you actually put chain on (and knowing how thorough you are), my guess is that you added them purposefully as a way to 'store' excess chain. Keep up the good work!
Yeah. That was an oversight in the video. I added them to allow excess chain to hang down behind the bottle.
So dumb question, how do you have your pointer in F360 "high-lighted"? Great build James
It's part of the screen recording software, so you can see it better
Burn an inch. Been there done that.😖 Awesome design. Love it
Did you licence that robot technology from Cody?
Very nice. You have sheet metal mastered. If you ever get tired of coding you can open a sheet metal shop. Thanks for the video.
The reason why your dimension wouldn't "stick" was because you started your drawing on a different face and only the geometry on that face was auto-projected into your sketch. I personally like to turn off auto-projection because of confusing issues like this. I just project in the bare minimum geometry that I need and it keeps everything simpler.
Ahh...I didn't know you could turn that off. I agree, it's irritating. Sometimes useful, but usually irritating.
a colleague showed me that you can use "combine" in fusion to do cuts. so when you did a sketch to extrude cut the bottle cylinder out of your model, u can skip the sketch and do -> combine, click the cut option from the 3(or 4) little squares, pick the metal work as the main body, and the 2 cylinder bodies/components as the tools, and tick option for keep tools. click ok and u get the same result. offcourse a sketch allows you to do stuff like offsets if they are needed, but just wanted to give back some knowledge. maybe you knew about it already, maybe not. either way thanks for the great videos
I don't remember exactly what I did in this video, but I often use combine. The key limitation of doing it that way is that you can't easily use an offset to provide extra space for the fit. You can use Press/Pull after the combine operation, but I don't really like that because it isn't as clear what's happening when looking at the timeline later.
Very nice cart setup and nice job on the bottle rack. LoL on the tape measure, I have never made that mistake.
Nice job on that, though I was surprised you didn't allow 1/8" or so on the bottle diameter to allow for weld seams on the bottles or any slight irregularities in dimension. But it worked, so it is OK. I think I would though tack a hunk of angle iron across the trough to keep the bottom of the tank from skidding to the right when there is only one tank.
Many decades ago I was driving down the road and noticed there was a half ton pickup in front of me with a pipe rack over the bed and cab. There were a couple of 21 foot sticks of 1.5" pipe on the rack. Not tied down. As it rocked down the road, they rolled quickly from one side to the other of the rack, about 4.5 feet back and forth. Behind the right side of the cab the guy had his welding bottles chained up, inside the rack. The regulators were on the bottles and the torch looped over the top of the acetylene tank. The top of the oxy tank was just below the level of the pipe rack. Every time the two sticks of inch and a half pipe rolled to the right they smashed into the oxy regulator and gauges.
It took me about 2 seconds after the second time the pipes smashed to the right to realize what I was seeing. I hit the brakes to give the guy about 500 feet in front of me, and turned at the first intersection and went elsewhere.
I modeled the bottles slightly oversize for exactly this reason.
25:00 - the story of my life. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Very satisfying making your own parts!
I remember my shop teacher telling us about an oxygen bottle falling and knocking off the valve sending it through a block wall. It may have been a scare tactic but this is back when teachers would fill a big balloon with oxygen and acetaline and set it off. It did make a lasting memory.
Mythbusters did an episode on this.
Beautiful, and exactly what I need to make next!
Does baiting the haters really help reduce flak? I always laugh about the things people complain about in the comments, but you turn hate baiting into an art form!
It seems to. I see it doing three things. 1) it takes the fun out of it for some people, and they don't bother. 2) it makes the ones who do respond self-conscious and they make an effort to be civil. 3) It causes a very small number of people to get angry and fly into a rage, which makes them easy to identify and block.
I like the amount of detail. Great video.
The pernicious “off by one” error, gets me too often.
Appreciate your context, James. Thank you! I've watched a number of Fusion 360 tutorials but yours have been BY FAR the most effective for me (in part, I think, because you are using it to apply a solution to an actual need. I have long been wanting to put together a way to "corral" all the various wires "stuff" (for CD player, headset, powerbank, CDs) in my car into something compact and not have wires going everywhere. So I am in the process of designing it in F360 and finding it much more successful than on a previous (failed) attempt. I was curious here whether you might not have considered using the "slightly imperfect" bracket at the bottom of the cylinders for even more stability and "belt and braces" chaining. 🙂Thanks again for the great videos. ----Mike
That was great. I love setting up kit / improving it to make life easier in the workshop. Some people say that you don’t need good / professional grade equipment for hobby use. However, when you’re used to proper kit as an engineer, it’s nice to have it at home where possible. It also helps to get through jobs faster and more efficiently. What’s the point in struggling when you can have more fun by doing it efficiently?
I’ve done some fabrication jobs at home and Fusion 360 seems to be the ticket. That CNC Plasma cutter is ace!
Sharing for sharing!
May have read the title as "sheet metal bottle rocket".
What kind of cnc plasma table is that?
what fixture table is it that you are using?
Hi James.
Great build mate 👏👏
I’ve got a really clunky-humungous cart that needs to be ‘consigned’ 😎 so that I can build a Clough 42 version.
Thanks fir showing so much detail …
Regards
Robert
Looks great just needs a coat of paint.
Awesome, thank you.
I dialed 911 and held my finger over "call" as I watched you with the gloves and die grinder! Scary stuff! :) As always, thanks for the educational videos!
Great job!! Bracket came out great, I havent done much sheet metal work, but the bend sequence can really screw you if you dont get it right, ask me how I know lol!! Cart looks great, everything organized very well. Thanks for sharing.
Wow.... How many people in this day and age show their mistakes honestly ... Impressive ... I enjoy your videos anyway, but lately you have impressed this old guy with your continued honesty... So refreshing to see that someone else makes honest mistakes like me... lol... Your other calling in life would truly have been a Teacher... As your videos are, for me, a wonderful learning tool.... Thanks for Sharing, Stay Safe....
I'll never understand Fusion 360's sheetmetal terminology. What is commonly referred to as a bend, hem or fold is universally called a flange. A flange in sheetmetal working is an bend on the edges which serving reinforcement or as a support or mating area.
I would sell the bad part on eBay. I'm sure someone would love to have it. There's a big secret to preventing measuring errors: don't measure. Use a piece of paper and make an imprint. If you have the DPI settings correct on your computer monitor, you can always hold the sheet up to the screen and quickly gauge if your dimensions are correct.
Great video James. My CNC Plasma cutter gets used daily. They're sooo damned cool!
Happy new year. Thanks for the Video and a few extra tips in Fusion. I was working on a Radius drill at a customer site once and a forklift knocked over a big Argon welding gas bottle right behind me, the regulator snapped clean off. Thankfully it did not turn into a torpedo or missile. Making a welding trolley was the first thing I did when I bought my MIG welder, I only bought it to repair a few issues on my car, my welds were more like pigeon poop though but hidden well with a bit of underseal on the car 🙂. Envious of your workshop, I'm living in a flat so only room for a Prusa 3D printer and a CNC Router but enjoy designing and making stuff as was a mechanical engineer for 18 years before moving to an IT career in 2005.
I enjoy you walking us through Fusion 360 each time. I'm learning it now for 3D printing, but also have plans on a home shop plasma cutter and table like yours. I also enjoy how you pre-empt the haters with your clever sarcasm. Don't give them haters a break.
What is the name of the blue bender?