New Retrobrite Technique for Indoors | Sous Vide and other methods to reverse yellow plastic
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The time has come to tackle the problem of RetroBriting in the rainy UK once and for all. I explore methods of restoring yellow plastics without sunshine.
● Items in this video
1000w Full Spectrum Grow Light
Albert Austin Sous Vide Stick
ElectriQ Vacuum Sealer
BeBlonde 40vol Cream Peroxide
Super Star Crystal Clear Peroxide (40 vol)
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Thanks for trying the Sous Vide stick.. I've had about 400 emails asking me to try that. I planned on it at some point, but now at least we know it will work.
Thanks for dropping by it's great to see you here. Like most Retrobriting videos it raises as many questions as it answers but I hope it adds to the conversation and helps a few people out. I'll follow it up in the near future with my permanent indoor setup which will hopefully be more refined.
Hi 8BG! Love your channel too!
Excellent tests here, really hoped the sous vide method would work well. I’m glad you attempted it so I don’t have to.
I honestly think that the temperature in the sous-vide was too low. You should be able to get that to 75C. 8-Bit-Guy did a similar experiment, and temperature definitely was the catalyst.
David Small I will be trying 55 soon. 70 in a pan is where we melted the spacebar, admittedly that was a badly controlled and more direct heat so a balance can likely be found. The important thing for me is a safe and repeatable result which I'm happy I have now.
If that transparent box can withstand 90 degrees according to the specs (which probably means that it's a conservative limit), then the higher quality plastic of the keys/chassis should easily handle 70 and more.
Yup, the "L" in "LGR" stays for "Lazy", and that has been deserved right this time! Cheers, M
Adding a cup of vinegar to each one liter of cream will activate the oxygen without UV, all that's needed is keeping it warm either with a heater, out in the sun, or in an oven set to low with the door open.
Thank you for watching I hope my experiments prove useful in the ongoing Retrobrite conversation especially for those in cloudy countries like the UK. I will release a follow up video once I have created my permanent retrobriting setup which should be a little safer and accessible for regular restoration works. All items are listed in the description and I'd love to hear your suggestions for the permanent setup. The Amiga will be restored in full once we have the permanent rig in a follow up video. Neil - RMC
Cheers Craig I'm glad the methods came across well
You might want to take a peek at the video that The 8-Bit Guy did on the subject - he found that an ultraviolet light is a good substitute for the sun, and grow-lights are pretty easy to lay your hands on.
Not so much a suggestion for the technique, but the presentation felt a bit off with the notes clearly hanging to the left and to the right of the camera. Kinda distracting with the eyes looking off to the sides for some reason. :)
anjelgiofu thank you yes I noticed that, being on cam is new to me so allow me a few goes to get the hang of it and fashion a more high tech autocue than printed notes 👍
I foresee an epidemic of folks lining large boxes with tinfoil, installing LED grow lights and _having really nicely retrobrited Amiga keys_
Perfect video for being back at work on Monday. Very interesting techniques and something i can take away. To be honest i'm feeling still a little timid after botching up a IIgs case but this has given me some ideas to consider. Very well done as always Neil
I have got the same concern especially with using the Cream. I know its not practical but I would want to submerge the WHOLE casing of a computer AND all the Keys in the Clear Hydrogen Peroxide and do it for 6 hours similar to the above and you should avoid the Streaking / Marbelling I would have thought?
Hahaha :D loved the reggae coming on with the 'herb' lamp :D
3.28 ... you didn't use CTRL as the comparison example. Missed opportunity for a pun!
Hah true but the 8bit guy used this pun in one of his videos - I'd hate to be accused of stealing bad puns :D
@@RMCRetro who knows what the pun-ishment is!
"to create our own giant vacuum packed sous-vide bag with an Amiga 500 it"....I just can't stop smiling, and yet it's extremely interesting and useful for my own C64 and Amiga 500 projects! Well done
Hehe my spiral into madness is being documented right here one video at a time :p
By far, probably the ultimate retro-brighting video around! Fabulous work!
This is exactly what we need in the Retro community to help everyone out. Great video.
Man. What a thrill it was to watch your experiment. I'm so glad you took the time to document all this since there really hasn't been a method that works for *everybody*. This appears very universal and it would make an awesome appliance for retro enthusiasts. Loving your new studio and the little nuances you've added to make your content next-level. Great job as always RMC!
+Marky Shaw thank you Marky I'm glad people are able to see some method in the madness
This has to be my favourite episode so far! I loved the reggae touch when turning on the in-door growi... I mean the full spectrum LED lamp. Cheers!
Nice job and interesting finds! I always wondered what works best for inside retrobrighting. I had some good results just placing parts next to the radiator but it took ages. Using both light and heat seems to work way faster. I'm convinced to get myself a similar lamp now.
12:12 cue the Rastafari music. 🌿🚬
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You can ask a do-it-yourself guy to weld you a nice size box from metal or aluminum and place a mirror in the bottom and on the sides.
The sous vide stick would not be a problem but as for the light, you might need to search for something a bit safer.
Water condensation and electricity is not a safe mix.
O and find some cork to place under the pan to hold the heat better.
Also does wonders in a micro wave - Put the plate of food on top of a cork plate and then heat it up.
Just retrobriting my keycaps officer
By far the most entertaining video om retrobrighting I have seen :) Also very informative! Keep up the fantastic work! :)
I'm really glad that you decided to try sous vide for this. I've really been wanting to see someone try it to see how well it would work. I thought it would be a good temperature control method while being able to scale up to larger pieces easily. And it seems like you've proved that.
Mr. RMC, awesome work. and great video, thanks for doing this for everyone...
You're welcome and thanks for watching James
Superb experiment. Congratulations.
wow awesome end results
What an interesting video! I love to see experiments like these - especially when they eventually yield such good results. Now it's time to get creative and design an all-in-one unit! Thanks for a great video.
15:54 I was not expecting this contraption to suddenly appear when I started watching this video.
Excellent video on the Retrobrite process.
Excellent! That’s inspired me to retrobrite my Amiga 500 and Acorn Electron in the loft. 💪
Most useful thanks for taking the time doing this
When you showed the two Amiga cases the one using the cream and hot water method and the one with the power of the sun. It looked like the cream and hot water had a the best restore brightness and looked the best. Thank you for the great videos and series videos.
Excellent work. I have my original C= 128 to retrobrite, as well as the plastics on a Brother HL1230 LASER printer. You've given me some good ideas for designing a larger unit.
Wonderful video! I'm looking forward the final setup!
Well done! best retrobright video yet
Thanks Martin. I'm using this method today to retrobrite a CRT case
I like the Reggae music when you switched the light on. 🐙⚡💥
12:20 Retro britin man! 🌴 Excellent majestic video.
Well done and thought out
Talk about a yellow a500 so many retrobrighting myths have been dispelled and science prevailed heat and light worked the best. Great vid again RMC I really enjoy your Chanel because watching you do things first prevents me from blowing myself up😋😉.......Kim
Very satisfying results. I've restored my old C64. I'm on the hunt for an A500 that's not crazy $$$. Great video.
This is amazing. Good job Retro Man Cave.
Awesome Video as always, Brilliant stuff please continue the Amazing work. 👍
By definition, doing experiments does make you a scientist :) Keep up the good work Mr Scientist
Will Proctor heh thanks Will. I'll put a certificate on my wall, in Comic Sans naturally.
The end result was very good, colour me impressed.
Bloody marvellous! As a fellow pale British man with limited sunlight this has given me some great ideas to work with!
I would have never known about Vide Sticks if it wasn't for your experiments, what a great way to control the water temperature. Keep up the great content RetroManCave!
Magic! Excellent vid
Thanks sir for doing these experiments!
Hey thanks for this video. I've been wanting to retrobrite indoors for a few years now and wasn't aware of the Sous Vide thing...I got one off Ebay for $40 and tried it this weekend on an Amiga 500, worked great, Didn't have the LED light so just did the Sous Vide method for 6hrs and the results were great, thanks again!
Excellent work glad it worked out for you. I have some machines stacking up I need to refurb soon so I need to bust it out again for some retrobriting. Glad this was helpful to you.
Excellent job and video 😎
I havent blinked for 17mins. Top stuff buddy
Great video, i will try this myself. Always thought that peroxide and uv light would be enough, now i know better.
Great Vid, as always, really useful information.
This video was amazing to watch! Keep up the amazing work! :)
Thank you Dave I'm glad you enjoyed it
this video was soo good!!! and the contraption at 15:54 looks sooo cool and futuristic
Oh man cracked me up so much when you said your starting to question my own sanity ..... but cool way to get that going :) glad it works
Results look great ! Nice retro cooking here :D
A RetroManCave Retrobrite success!
Thanks for your helpful tips :)
thank you so much for doing this video
Very informative. Good job.
That was awesome! Much faster than the UV light I used, which wasn't quite as strong to begin with and required long periods of time for results, which can test your patience. Thanks for the cool experiment.
11:10 I had one of these when I was in uni. Very enthusiastic at that age for fresh herbs.
for your cooking of course?
A visit to the cave. Perfect tonic for a Monday :-)
Great video and interesting findings. I have a 500 that's in need of some "treatment" so I'll certainly be looking forward to some experimenting
RMC The coziest 8-bit cave on YT 👍
Great job there! I've suspected for a while that UV isn't essential - just leaving stuff in the bathroom where there's little light but a lot of warmth from heaters, I find it works really well. I just fill a jug with peroxide and vanish, submerge all keys and stick it in the bathroom and leave it for a day or two. Cases are a bit harder lol.
maybe you can put them in the bath? :D - Thanks gadget
A real caveman can go without bathing even for a week ;D
Have you considered halogen heat lamps?
A combined source of heat and UV light, what halogen lamps can deliver, might work well but you'd need to do some distance/temperature experiments to ensure you didn't cook anything didn't want cooked like some old key caps sacrificed in the name of science.
whoa that is AMAZING!,loves it! for the light i would use some cheap chinese e27 grow light it would be more manageable to just multiply the light bulbs on a big surface,and yea an aquarium in tin foil could be a solution... with some metal lamp shades...
loves too the idea of the vacum cooking.
I really enjoyed this video, it makes me feel good when I see old electronics looking just as they just left the factory. By the way, I really appreciate that you reply to almost all the comments, even that comments who don't have a big amount of likes.
+Alex Florin you're welcome, I really appreciate the comments and learn a lot from them so I'm always happy to chat
Hope the best for you.
Excellent!
Excellent video! Very thorough and detailed. Your content really has stepped up. Expecting 100K subscribers this year. ;)
+BlakeCasimir one can but dream. Thanks Blake
After Retr0brighting the cases and key caps of my machines over the years, I've been interested in this technique since I heard about it last year. I'm looking forward to watch your results now.
Brilliant video !
LOL!!!! Can't believe you did it after I mentioned that.
3:10 - I found that cleaning keys is most convenient in a _dishwasher_ . Saves you all that toothbrush scrubbing and gets off any gunk reliably.
I know it's been two years since you posted this, but Linus Tech Tips uploaded a video on cleaning keyboards - including a dishwasher method. Might be worth a watch.
Really good 👍
Well I didn't think I'd be watching someone cooking an Amiga 500 in a tanning bed when I woke up this morning! Fascinating!
Excellent video ;)
Absolutely excellent work! This answered so many questions and suppositions I had. I really like the bagged sous vide method, though I think that a regular zip lock back would be easier to fill with liquid and cheaper than those vacuum jobbies. :) I love your channel and look forward to each new video.
+Luis Esteves thank you! I agree with you I think we can make a saving by eliminating the vacuum packing if we can find a water tight bag as I didn't use the vacuum function with the solution. I hope to follow this video up soon with my permanent setup once refined
Nothing like a fresh new RetroManCave video!
Yeah, it always has it's own unique charm to it.
As a recent subscriber of your channel, I have enjoyed watching your videos along with LGR, 8-Bit Guy, Techmoan, and PushingUpRoses. I like the songs that were chosen for this one. Also, that's a nice contraption you made at around 15:58 into the video.
Thank you for hanging out in the cave it's a pleasure to have you here and very flattering to be compared to such big YT names. These are all people I enjoy greatly as well.
This is the video I need. Still looking for the perfect retrobriting setup for treating two tubs of old Lego.
Good work, I have been testing a setup to do retrobriting indoors. Luckily I have access to a cad cutter at work and have built an acrylic tank 500x500x250mm. The water is heated by a immersion heater element with built in thermostat and uses a small water feature pump to circulate the water and digital temperature sensor to give me a visual of the water temp. I also insulated the whole tank with 25mm polystyrene which is very effective, the tank only lost 5 degrees in 2 hours after being turned off.
I’m going use try your method of putting items in a vacuum bag as it seems a good way of using less hydrogen peroxide.
Your videos are well-made with good sound, so they're a pleasure to watch. For computer cases maybe you could try a bigger, clear food container & lid (with a hole cut for the sous vide) with a water/clear peroxide mix but no bag - to avoid the possibility of streaking.
You are the Man...
What a great video! Timing of the reggae music, wicked! :)
This channel is going to cost me a fortune. What do I do with a sous vide I only need twice. :D
I just used fluorescent uv light and peroxide cream for gameboy cases, works a treat and is less complicated. Fluorescent light gives heat away too.
I've never had to do any "retrobriting" and for the near future i don't plan to. But i can tell you it's a good thing the Sous Vide and the Full Spectrum LED light are quite expensive (for me at least) or else i'd buy them myself and do some retrobriting, just for the extreme satisfactory nature of it, not because i need to. It's so wonderful to see the plastic in its former glory again. Also, the way you showcase it is outstanding. I really enjoy your content. Thank you for hours of joy sitting behind my laptop and not being productive at all.
Thank you I'm glad you enjoy it. This video was very much a proof of concept. I will follow it up with a permanent setup, and hopefully I can source much more affordable parts such as aquarium heaters to get a result which is within more peoples budget.
Interesting video. I think I may speak for many of us retro fans when I say "thanks for performing these tests". :)
I'd use what I'm already familiar with: 120 cm / 36W UVA fluorescent lights. They are perfect for decorative purposes (they set the mood like nothing else, just add some candles) and occasionally may be used to retrobright stuff. :)
I get perfect results placing any Bromide infused plastic into a large quart container with one quart of clear volume 40 and anywhere from 5-10 quarts of water. I close the container with the lid it comes with and place it in the sun for 4-6 hours. It doesn’t even matter if the bottom of the plastic is exposed to the sun. I believe when you place pieces in vacuum bags you limit the chemical reaction of the bromide combining with the peroxide. Furthermore, I have never had one piece of plastic “bloom” from this method. However, I have had plenty of “blooms” when using cream peroxide under plastic wrap and left in the sun. I do use the quart containers at Target that have the blue sealing gaskets on the lid.
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Great video! Very interesting findings, and bravo on the sous vide method -- that's thinking outside the box. I was very surprised to learn that UV might be contributing only minimally to the whitening process. I have had an indoor retrobriting-with-cream-peroxide contraption in the works for over a year now -- a ridiculously long to-do list and procrastination are my enemy -- consisting of a slightly deeper bin than yours lined with adhesive mirror-finish Mylar reflective sheets and rows of 5050 UV LED strips. I guess I now need to revisit my idea adding controlled heat, somehow. 🤔
Nice result :) My Amiga is also one with more yellow keyboard than the case. Also my HP desktop PC from 2001 has started showing signs of yellowing also, for example the plastic front panel and speakers.
My 2 year old Draytek modem has yellowed already!
Interesting results. I have a few old computers and consoles I want to retrobrite and live in a sunny and warm area most of the year. I'm glad I do, because even though I have a vacuum sealer, a sous vide heater and a grow light still add up in the expenses, not to mention the extra power you would use with these as well.
+sandman x the sun is still my number one for the reasons you state, you can't beat free. I hope to refine the setup in a future video and if I can find cheaper alternatives I will. Here's hoping.
Nice Artificial Sun . Case is Nice .I Always Like the Cream and the Sun , Your System mimics the Sun Well :) QC
And I was planning to use fans on my retro brite rig to keep heat away. good to know it is my friend then. I'll be changing my build to fit this idea. what I'm going to use my fans for now I have no idea. cool me on a summer day maybe. ;)
@16:28 -- Looks like a setup from the movie, Weird Science!
Great work. The cave may have saved me allot of time, should I need to retrobrite any of the parts in my next project. (Amstrad PC3086)
whoa that is AMAZING!,loves it! for the light i would use some cheap chinese e27 grow light it would be more manageable to just multiply the light bulbs on a big surface,and yea an aquarium in tin foil could be a solution... with some metal lamp shades...
loves too the idea of the vacum cooking.
Wonderful work here! Asking myself about investment vs waiting that the sun arrives. Anyways, it made me want to try ;)
I have just successfully treated some very yellow amiga keys using my wife's slow cooker - put keys in freezer bag with some hydrogen peroxide paste, and simmered at about 65 deg c for 8 hours.
Had previously tried sunlight, and artificial light with very little success.
Heat seems to be the key
+cakepanda a slow cooker, now that's an interesting method thanks for sharing
I live in a cold climate and I've successfully "retrobrited" several Apple keyboards & systems indoors during the winter months and what I see missing in so many of these tests is the inclusion of UV light. Your LED light setup may be full spectrum, but it may not produce much UV light. What I've done is coat my keycaps & keyboard pieces in hydrogen peroxide cream and lay some clear cling wrap over top so it doesn't dry out. I place the parts I want to retrobright into the bathtub and suspend a 150W Metal-Halide bulb above them and leave it on for a few hours. NOTE: Metal-Halide bulbs REQUIRE a suitable ballast to run them with, so don't plug them directly into a wall socket. I'm paranoid about UV, so I also run an extension under the bathroom door so I can unplug the light before entering so I don't expose myself to UV. This method has worked perfectly for me every time and it's just as effective as sunlight. The process doesn't require heat at all - IMHO it's the hydrogen peroxide reacting with the UV which de-yellows the plastic.
I've just bought a Smart Roadster car and the bumpers seem to have yellowed in exactly the same way as these plastics, retaining their original colour where they were protected from sunlight. I'm very tempted to try one of these methods of restoring it but I think I would need a garden paddling pool to submerge the whole bumper! Very interesting experiments, thoroughly entertaining.
Your findings mirror my own (heat and light matter). One additional experiment I'd be interested in seeing is whether a standard light bulb works. I've had success by using BBlonde, wrapping the parts in clingfilm, standing them on a hot radiator and shining a standard spotlight on them. Takes a day rather than hours though!
David Murray from 8-bit guys need see this video !!!
He lives in a place where he *can* use the sun to do this, I don't think he needs to go to these lengths. :-)
d2factotum well have another solution its good too, also if he can cut the time to half its mean he can have more time to make new video or do another project and believe me everytime i see those donations video make me wait every single day for when he will release video about those retro device some of it for nostalgia some of it coz i have no idea its exist.
I think the time cut in half was because the Amiga case wasn't very yellow to start with, not necessarily because of the technique? I thought the keys were all done for the full 6 hours.
Yeah i also think like that when i see the case color, but its still not bad idea and some time alternative method is need when we dont know sure what happen in future.
I've spoken to David Murray about using this technique. He's done a bunch of experiments where you don't actually need the sunlight/UV. He got great results with a low dilution, pot on stove, heat, and simple kitchen lights.
There were no bags involved either. So... if you had some sort of plastic/rubbermaid tub that would be non reactive to the peroxide; all you'd really have to do is top it up with a little concentration once in a while, and then just drop in the immersion circulator.
Very impressive 👍 Great approach, must try this on my Atari ST 🕹️
Thanks for this. I was waiting for a sunny day to retrobrite a couple keyboards but I'm thinking I'm going to try to do one in the oven. I can control the temperature up from 30º, so I think I'm going to try about 60º (in a water filled container to help spread the temperature) and see how it goes from there.
Thumbs up for the music when the artificial sun came on. Fitting =)
Although I must say, everything I've every retrobrighted have turned back to yellow so I have given up on the method to either accept the yellowing or painting the surfaces instead.
I built a UV box with a UV LED set from eBay for 10 quid, a large plastic box for 3 quid and some foil. Works perfectly even for large cases ;) Turn it on, leave for a day with Tescos BBlonde and cling film, job done. Also doubles up to help plant growth and propagating seedlings lol. And sets the wifes nail varnish. And gives you a tan if you put the top of the box on a stand.