I live in Scotland use a Scherzer rotary Bb with Vienna keys in the orchestra. It's their copy of the Monke trumpet. It has a huge bell and when you play Wagner or Raff or any of the big Germanic literature it beats all the piston valve trumpets. It has three leadpipes but everyone seems to use no 2.
Very intriguing. I have a roughly 35 year old Scherzer Bb trumpet. And it's so different to the Monke trumpets most here in the western parts of germany use. It's very thin and lightweight, has a bell barely larger than a piston trumpet and has quite the traditional looking mechanisms. In contrast to the Monke trumpets that are heavy and have simplistic and sturdy looking mechanisms. But i have to say the valve action is a lot easier than any of the 2 or 3 Monkes I've held. Just completely different instruments.
He's been rather quiet about that, which is his choice. All I can say is that if the weight loss is intentional, congratulations on your success. If it is not by choice, I hope you get well soon.
I have a Bb trumpet and just got a bugle but I know what instrument I want next. To me it looks similar to a bass trumpet with the way the valves are laid out and are rotary(esque)
You should see about adding a fully keyed trumpet to your collection. From what I can tell they have a really nice tone, though you do have to learn fingerings from scratch as if you were a woodwind player almost.
You could take the 3rd valve slide off and slip a rubber gasket on it to adjust it if youd like. Then the valve would rest on the gasket effectively "adjusting" it.
I was expecting a demonstration of using the vienna keys while playing. Hopefully that will come in a future video. Personally I am sceptical of these weird European orchestral trumpets, the rest of the world including the UK does just fine without them. Maurice André, one of the finest trumpet players ever and a frenchman, played a piston valve trumpet.
...it is because the French have a different tradition and history when it comes to trumpets and their use in the orchestra. It differs from the Austro-Hugarians and the English. Appreciating these differences and how they've impacted the past, present and future identifies a person as learned and educated. Pretending they are unimportant and insignificant (because of a lack of knowledge) dentifies a person as a "Karen". Pointlessly name dropping doesn't make it any better...
@@JorgeLopez-fu9lb Exactly, so calling them European trumpets is wide of the mark. But what else would they be called, other than rotary valved trumpets? And I'm using Maurice André as a well known example of trumpet usage in France, name dropping has nothing to do with it I've never met the man. If I'd needed a well known American player I would have used Wynton Marsalis as my example.
@@owensmith7530 I've heard both Rotary valve trumpets, and "German" trumpets... and jokingly called "Hamburger" trumpets derisively. I've not heard any nomenclature used. French trumpets are distinctly *not* German, and are likely derived from the Cornet au Piston (aka, the thing Arban wrote for)
Hi, Trent! I found your video to be quite interesting. I have a strong preference for the "rotary valve sound" and have accumulated a number of these trumpets, mostly of German origin with some Yamahas thrown in. I have also acquired three Chinese made rotary trumpets, with less luck than I've had with the other trumpets. My first is a Bb that looks much like your C trumpet and it is the best of the three. It plays in tune with itself (for the most part) and can easily be played in an orchestra or band setting without issues. I also purchased another Bb that has an interchangeable leadpipe (but no more were included with the horn :-/ ). It plays well with itself, but is about a quarter tone flat when the tuning slide is fully pushed in. I might use it as an "A" trumpet at some point in the future. The big disappointment is a C trumpet with the three Vienna keys like yours. It doesn't play entirely in tune with itself, and it seems like the valve slides were not cut to quite the right lengths. I've had my eye on yet another Chinese C trumpet that resembles yours, but from a different vendor, if not a different manufacturer. I hope that the Chinese are able to get their manufacturing processes improved so that such disappointing horns become a thing of the past. My first RUclips videos, incidentally, were to show off some of my rotary trumpet collection back in 2008. Here is an example, if you're curious: ruclips.net/video/KpEChhU-DQ8/видео.html Incidentally, my wife and I (both cornetists) had the pleasure of visiting your beautiful country a couple of years ago when we rejoined our old brass band (the Chicago Brass Band) when we competed in the 2019 NZ brass band championships. I wonder if you'd been there, too!
I would like to have heard a demonstration of those slotting keys, to see how they change the timbre or (perhaps) pitch of the tones they're designed to correct.
I thought those Vienna key were called vent keys, you know like the vent holes on the long modern baroque trumpets without valves. Rotary valve trumpets are (were) quite common in Swedish symphony orchestras. In the Gothenburg symphony orchestra they were preferred by the Japanese conductor (can’t remember his name) when he was in charge . I think they were equipped with those Vienna keys.
They probably have multiple names. Vienna keys "Wienen Klappen" are just one. It's a bit vague to my liking, because klappen can be translated as "valve", and Vienna valves are something completely different.
I can't agree that rotarys really is "common" in Europe except in historically correct orchestras and ensembles. :) (Except french horn, which I play 😏)
@@RetiredBrass You are probably right! I was thinking mostly of Sweden to be honest :) I'm playing on an old rotary alto-horn (E-flat), when conditions demand it! 👌
This was also, what I was just going to comment about. For professional symphony orchestras / philharmonic orchestras, rotary valve trumpets are the standard instrument, but for any other purpose piston trumpets are standard.
In German-speaking lands, they even have different styles of rotary trumpet, referred to as "Konzerttrompete" apparently. Perinets often get mislabeled in German as "Jazztrompete." I picked up a cheap barely used rotary Bb with Gebr. Alexander of Mainz (who normally makes higher end French Horns and Wagner Tubas) with a large nickel "Kranz" around the bell that mellows the sound and knocks down the focus/penetration nearer to that of a natural trumpet. Apparently that style is more common in Northern Germany. Southern Germany, Austria, and Swiss rotary designs apparently use thinner bells with no Kranz. They're common enough that basic rotary instruments are made for non-professionals for the German-speaking market. Wessex even makes the cheap rotary Bb, but their C rotary is handmade by a Chinese pro and is $3000+ USD. You'll also see rotary Flugelhorns in Germany for traditional bands.
I feel you should have been more transparent with your compensation for this video...you mentioned the company provided you the trumpet. Did they pay you for the review? Will you be keeping the instrument free of charge? This affects the way we can interpret your remarks and the lack of clarity suggests a concerning degree of untrustworthiness for what I can only assume based on the link and comment at the video is an ad. You really should be more forthcoming about that in the future.
I live in Scotland use a Scherzer rotary Bb with Vienna keys in the orchestra. It's their copy of the Monke trumpet. It has a huge bell and when you play Wagner or Raff or any of the big Germanic literature it beats all the piston valve trumpets. It has three leadpipes but everyone seems to use no 2.
Very intriguing. I have a roughly 35 year old Scherzer Bb trumpet. And it's so different to the Monke trumpets most here in the western parts of germany use. It's very thin and lightweight, has a bell barely larger than a piston trumpet and has quite the traditional looking mechanisms. In contrast to the Monke trumpets that are heavy and have simplistic and sturdy looking mechanisms.
But i have to say the valve action is a lot easier than any of the 2 or 3 Monkes I've held. Just completely different instruments.
Reject modernity, return to Monke
Even I can tell from listening to all your trumpets that it sounds fantastic.
“High f, Bb, d and very high f”
Trumpeters can relate
Speaking for the horns- we love our spit valves that are getting more and more common! Let’s normalize this movement 😂
Oh my god it’s been like 5 years since I’ve watched one of your videos and you look incredible! I can tell you have lost a bunch of weight.
He's been rather quiet about that, which is his choice. All I can say is that if the weight loss is intentional, congratulations on your success. If it is not by choice, I hope you get well soon.
My favourite type of trumpet!
French Horn players that started on Trumpet: *Slams credit card on stand*
In this episode, Trent bleeds out slowly through a minor cut in his finger.
I’m a flute player and I’ve been watching you for quite a while.
Why am I here?
Because of interesting content, I guess
Welcome!
1:44 I recently watched a different video on the rotary by Jack Burt and the C key does 4th space Eb, high Ab, C and Eb.
I have a Bb trumpet and just got a bugle but I know what instrument I want next. To me it looks similar to a bass trumpet with the way the valves are laid out and are rotary(esque)
That is great.
You should see about adding a fully keyed trumpet to your collection. From what I can tell they have a really nice tone, though you do have to learn fingerings from scratch as if you were a woodwind player almost.
You could take the 3rd valve slide off and slip a rubber gasket on it to adjust it if youd like. Then the valve would rest on the gasket effectively "adjusting" it.
I was expecting a demonstration of using the vienna keys while playing. Hopefully that will come in a future video. Personally I am sceptical of these weird European orchestral trumpets, the rest of the world including the UK does just fine without them. Maurice André, one of the finest trumpet players ever and a frenchman, played a piston valve trumpet.
Hi Owen, it will absolutely be in a future video - I've already edited it and will upload it in the future.
...it is because the French have a different tradition and history when it comes to trumpets and their use in the orchestra. It differs from the Austro-Hugarians and the English. Appreciating these differences and how they've impacted the past, present and future identifies a person as learned and educated.
Pretending they are unimportant and insignificant (because of a lack of knowledge) dentifies a person as a "Karen".
Pointlessly name dropping doesn't make it any better...
@@JorgeLopez-fu9lb Exactly, so calling them European trumpets is wide of the mark. But what else would they be called, other than rotary valved trumpets? And I'm using Maurice André as a well known example of trumpet usage in France, name dropping has nothing to do with it I've never met the man. If I'd needed a well known American player I would have used Wynton Marsalis as my example.
@@owensmith7530 I've heard both Rotary valve trumpets, and "German" trumpets... and jokingly called "Hamburger" trumpets derisively. I've not heard any nomenclature used.
French trumpets are distinctly *not* German, and are likely derived from the Cornet au Piston (aka, the thing Arban wrote for)
@@musicalaviator I'm swedish and here we just call them "german trumpets"
Great video as always, but I have gotta ask: when is that f contrabass valve trombone video coming out?
It'll be the next one :)
Hi, Trent! I found your video to be quite interesting. I have a strong preference for the "rotary valve sound" and have accumulated a number of these trumpets, mostly of German origin with some Yamahas thrown in. I have also acquired three Chinese made rotary trumpets, with less luck than I've had with the other trumpets. My first is a Bb that looks much like your C trumpet and it is the best of the three. It plays in tune with itself (for the most part) and can easily be played in an orchestra or band setting without issues. I also purchased another Bb that has an interchangeable leadpipe (but no more were included with the horn :-/ ). It plays well with itself, but is about a quarter tone flat when the tuning slide is fully pushed in. I might use it as an "A" trumpet at some point in the future. The big disappointment is a C trumpet with the three Vienna keys like yours. It doesn't play entirely in tune with itself, and it seems like the valve slides were not cut to quite the right lengths. I've had my eye on yet another Chinese C trumpet that resembles yours, but from a different vendor, if not a different manufacturer. I hope that the Chinese are able to get their manufacturing processes improved so that such disappointing horns become a thing of the past.
My first RUclips videos, incidentally, were to show off some of my rotary trumpet collection back in 2008. Here is an example, if you're curious: ruclips.net/video/KpEChhU-DQ8/видео.html
Incidentally, my wife and I (both cornetists) had the pleasure of visiting your beautiful country a couple of years ago when we rejoined our old brass band (the Chicago Brass Band) when we competed in the 2019 NZ brass band championships. I wonder if you'd been there, too!
Thank you for your message, I remember Chicago coming to New Zealand and watched the band play at the pre-contest concert they did.
I would like to have heard a demonstration of those slotting keys, to see how they change the timbre or (perhaps) pitch of the tones they're designed to correct.
Text did say in the video that he would post a separate video on them.
1:58
I thought those Vienna key were called vent keys, you know like the vent holes on the long modern baroque trumpets without valves. Rotary valve trumpets are (were) quite common in Swedish symphony orchestras. In the Gothenburg symphony orchestra they were preferred by the Japanese conductor (can’t remember his name) when he was in charge . I think they were equipped with those Vienna keys.
They probably have multiple names. Vienna keys "Wienen Klappen" are just one. It's a bit vague to my liking, because klappen can be translated as "valve", and Vienna valves are something completely different.
I can't agree that rotarys really is "common" in Europe except in historically correct orchestras and ensembles. :) (Except french horn, which I play 😏)
It is common in Germany and further east, but probably not in North/Western Europe. Not sure about Southern Europe.
@@RetiredBrass You are probably right! I was thinking mostly of Sweden to be honest :) I'm playing on an old rotary alto-horn (E-flat), when conditions demand it! 👌
I do see a lot of the Berlin Philharmoniker use rotary valves, so yes as stated above I think it's very popular in Germany :)
This was also, what I was just going to comment about. For professional symphony orchestras / philharmonic orchestras, rotary valve trumpets are the standard instrument, but for any other purpose piston trumpets are standard.
In German-speaking lands, they even have different styles of rotary trumpet, referred to as "Konzerttrompete" apparently. Perinets often get mislabeled in German as "Jazztrompete." I picked up a cheap barely used rotary Bb with Gebr. Alexander of Mainz (who normally makes higher end French Horns and Wagner Tubas) with a large nickel "Kranz" around the bell that mellows the sound and knocks down the focus/penetration nearer to that of a natural trumpet. Apparently that style is more common in Northern Germany. Southern Germany, Austria, and Swiss rotary designs apparently use thinner bells with no Kranz. They're common enough that basic rotary instruments are made for non-professionals for the German-speaking market. Wessex even makes the cheap rotary Bb, but their C rotary is handmade by a Chinese pro and is $3000+ USD.
You'll also see rotary Flugelhorns in Germany for traditional bands.
These Vienna keys are probably derived right from the keyed trumpet by Weidlinger
yes
As a hornist I felt that look at 1:11 vibrate through my whole body.
A Rotary Valve Trumpet
As a guy who works in a repair shop (I do IT), I wonder how it is to repair and work on.
Is the leadpipe not meant to accept different size mouthpiece shanks?
Certain older instruments (at least here in Sweden and also Germany I think) tend to have different size leadpipes than modern day instruments.
Interesting, but for me as a german guy, a rotary Trumpet is just a normal brass Instrument.
1:51 -- Looks like you scratched your finger. I have a similar scratch on my thumb right now.
What happened to your finger?!
Day two of asking for an analysis video on the normaphone
Day three of asking for an informational Normaphone video
You look like you've lost weight. Are you okay? Blink twice if you need to be rescued!
I feel you should have been more transparent with your compensation for this video...you mentioned the company provided you the trumpet. Did they pay you for the review? Will you be keeping the instrument free of charge? This affects the way we can interpret your remarks and the lack of clarity suggests a concerning degree of untrustworthiness for what I can only assume based on the link and comment at the video is an ad. You really should be more forthcoming about that in the future.
I did not get any payment for this video. They sent me the trumpet for free, and I get to keep it.
Jeez guy, mellow out!
Wow! How rude!
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