Great overview mate. My only gripe, as always, is no DTS support on video station. I have to transcode my videos before putting them up on the Nas. Why don't they simply charge the user a fee for a license to which I am willing to pay? Being I don't use Plex, does Plex play DTS videos on a Synology NAS? Thanx Robbie & G'day! 👍👍👍👍👍
Then you start getting TrueNAS videos in your recommendations and them... woo wee.... then you find out that TrueNAS can be installed on a QNAP... Then your mind gets blown away.
Great video. I am looking to replace my 5 year old Netgear ReadyNAS 204 with a new Synology 923+ or 1522+. I am primarily using it as a file server but in the future I would probably also use at for automatic backup of our 3 desktop PC's and 2 laptops. hould I consider anything other than these 2? It will be connected to a 10 BGit network.
I keep looking at the Synology option, but the drive compatibility aspect just make me go meh. So still on QNAP using WD Red Pro and Red NVME. DS1621+ of interest.
Umm I hate to say it but your wrong on both accounts of BTRFS and encryption. I just got their lowest end current model the ds223j and i have both of these options. I however didnt enable encryption as it will make transfering data slower and im not worried about my NAS getting stolen.
I understand why they would limit the HDD's/SSD's compatibility to avoid misuse but they could at least allow CMR NAS and Enterprise WD and Seagate drives. Btw starting and shutting down a nas everyday what does it do to the disks? Does it prolong the life of the components? Even though they are designed to run 24/7
they are meant for 24/7 use but they also have 600,000 power on cycle rating which is 2x a consumer drive, they are just better handled to equip any condition possible compared to consumer drives, so if being shut off improves the life of a consumer drive, the same will apply here...
I have a Synology DS918+, but the way I've always tried to use it is to basically make my setup idempotent as it were. What I mean is everything I host on there, I just host it with Docker using Docker Compose, so if I ever got another NAS, or built my own server - whether it was Unraid, TrueNAS Scale, or just plain Debian, I ought to be able to just install Docker on it, then copy my docker folder over to it (which contains the docker-compose.yml and all the persistent storage for my containers), then run: docker-compose up -d, and all my stuff should basically just work, without being dependent on a particular operating system or vendor. The only "first party" Synology things I use tend to be monitoring and backup. I do use Hyper Backup to backup my important stuff to Backblaze B2, but I'm wondering if Hyper Backup makes a backup that only a Synology NAS could read. If my NAS died would be be able to recover my data without buying another Synology NAS?
You can copy data out of Hyper Backup backup with Hyper Backup Explorer. It not super convenient, as you can only select one subfolder from shared folder to copy at a time. But it is doable. Regarding docker-compose - how do you mount volumes? I think it requires absolute path, and for synology it is /volume1/SharedFolderName which is not portable to other system without modifying volumes in all compose files. Or there is a better approach?
@@andrewdatar9880 Thanks. You are right about the path, but now that you mention it, I could probably create an environment variable called VOLUME_FOLDER or something and use that in my paths, then just set the volume path in the .env file and change it when I moved to another platform. I will give that a shot on one container when I have some time and see if it works.
Synology Hyper Backup doesn't even support OneDrive natively. DSM and Synology apps seem consistent, but there also seems to be a walled garden that limits what you can do with a Synology NAS.
I'm somewhat of a novice and this may be a dumb question, but HDDs seem like plug and play hardware, why would some drives not be compatible with Synology NASes?
Synology is in many ways the "Apple" of NAS vendors, where their goal is to make a very user friendly package to draw people in while building a "walled garden" as it were of first party applications and proprietary hardware. They now produce their own hard drives, SSDs, and RAM, and they want you to use their own so they make more money. I don't know that they are outright making third party drives not work, but they can make third party drives not "supported" so if the drive you're using is not on the supported drive list for your NAS they might not give you support, may not honor a warranty, etc., because you are using an "unsupported" configuration. As was mentioned here, they will only allow you to create NVMe storage pools when you use their own drives, so there are situations like that as well.
Be clear on the SSD storage pools, its not that other units do not support it, they do... Rather, this is just fleecing customers - Synology don't want to enable on other models, as they want you to believe its "unique" to certain models an encourage you to buy the newer model, and throw the old one out (Yeah, great environmentally-friendly move there!
I would say Asustor instead, as their hardware tends to be better for the same price, they support btrfs, and the LCD displays on their units are nice IMO.
They dont force you to use any particular drives the only thing you will get is a warning that the drives used are not on the list. You can still use whatever drive you want.
@@haneko6422 Of course they don't "force" you to use a particular disk. You just lose a lot of features that you may have bought Synology for in the first place =).
Thanks for all the hard work putting this together!
Great overview mate. My only gripe, as always, is no DTS support on video station. I have to transcode my videos before putting them up on the Nas. Why don't they simply charge the user a fee for a license to which I am willing to pay? Being I don't use Plex, does Plex play DTS videos on a Synology NAS? Thanx Robbie & G'day! 👍👍👍👍👍
Damn these vids are just too good. I like the hardware of Qnap and I like the software of Synology and I'm still undiceded which to buy.
Then you start getting TrueNAS videos in your recommendations and them... woo wee.... then you find out that TrueNAS can be installed on a QNAP... Then your mind gets blown away.
Great video. I am looking to replace my 5 year old Netgear ReadyNAS 204 with a new Synology 923+ or 1522+. I am primarily using it as a file server but in the future I would probably also use at for automatic backup of our 3 desktop PC's and 2 laptops.
hould I consider anything other than these 2?
It will be connected to a 10 BGit network.
Still at DSM 7.2-64570 Update 1 here.
Waiting for the DS1821+ update train to arrive in Australia.
Thanks for the video. I am using Exos 14TB hdd in my new DS1522+ system hope that's okay. I got that incompatibility warning as well but ignored it.
Excellent content as usual. Thanks.
I keep looking at the Synology option, but the drive compatibility aspect just make me go meh. So still on QNAP using WD Red Pro and Red NVME. DS1621+ of interest.
SSD for storage pool is only supported in few of the newer models, I only seem to be able to use that as a cache drive
Umm I hate to say it but your wrong on both accounts of BTRFS and encryption. I just got their lowest end current model the ds223j and i have both of these options. I however didnt enable encryption as it will make transfering data slower and im not worried about my NAS getting stolen.
“Should you buy”? Does Synology charge to upgrade DSM?
I understand why they would limit the HDD's/SSD's compatibility to avoid misuse but they could at least allow CMR NAS and Enterprise WD and Seagate drives. Btw starting and shutting down a nas everyday what does it do to the disks? Does it prolong the life of the components? Even though they are designed to run 24/7
they are meant for 24/7 use but they also have 600,000 power on cycle rating which is 2x a consumer drive, they are just better handled to equip any condition possible compared to consumer drives, so if being shut off improves the life of a consumer drive, the same will apply here...
@@Yelkwood9 thanks!
Great stuff
Do the Docker containers already installed, work seamlessly in the new Container Manager when updating to 7.2?
Yes, 100%.
I have a Synology DS918+, but the way I've always tried to use it is to basically make my setup idempotent as it were. What I mean is everything I host on there, I just host it with Docker using Docker Compose, so if I ever got another NAS, or built my own server - whether it was Unraid, TrueNAS Scale, or just plain Debian, I ought to be able to just install Docker on it, then copy my docker folder over to it (which contains the docker-compose.yml and all the persistent storage for my containers), then run: docker-compose up -d, and all my stuff should basically just work, without being dependent on a particular operating system or vendor.
The only "first party" Synology things I use tend to be monitoring and backup. I do use Hyper Backup to backup my important stuff to Backblaze B2, but I'm wondering if Hyper Backup makes a backup that only a Synology NAS could read. If my NAS died would be be able to recover my data without buying another Synology NAS?
You can copy data out of Hyper Backup backup with Hyper Backup Explorer. It not super convenient, as you can only select one subfolder from shared folder to copy at a time. But it is doable. Regarding docker-compose - how do you mount volumes? I think it requires absolute path, and for synology it is /volume1/SharedFolderName which is not portable to other system without modifying volumes in all compose files. Or there is a better approach?
@@andrewdatar9880 Thanks. You are right about the path, but now that you mention it, I could probably create an environment variable called VOLUME_FOLDER or something and use that in my paths, then just set the volume path in the .env file and change it when I moved to another platform. I will give that a shot on one container when I have some time and see if it works.
Why can't I update to 7.2..
Synology Hyper Backup doesn't even support OneDrive natively. DSM and Synology apps seem consistent, but there also seems to be a walled garden that limits what you can do with a Synology NAS.
I'm somewhat of a novice and this may be a dumb question, but HDDs seem like plug and play hardware, why would some drives not be compatible with Synology NASes?
Synology is in many ways the "Apple" of NAS vendors, where their goal is to make a very user friendly package to draw people in while building a "walled garden" as it were of first party applications and proprietary hardware. They now produce their own hard drives, SSDs, and RAM, and they want you to use their own so they make more money. I don't know that they are outright making third party drives not work, but they can make third party drives not "supported" so if the drive you're using is not on the supported drive list for your NAS they might not give you support, may not honor a warranty, etc., because you are using an "unsupported" configuration.
As was mentioned here, they will only allow you to create NVMe storage pools when you use their own drives, so there are situations like that as well.
@@praetorxyn I see. Thanks for the response.
More and more realising I will have to buy QNAP in future. Smething like qnap tvs-h874.
Be clear on the SSD storage pools, its not that other units do not support it, they do... Rather, this is just fleecing customers - Synology don't want to enable on other models, as they want you to believe its "unique" to certain models an encourage you to buy the newer model, and throw the old one out (Yeah, great environmentally-friendly move there!
Synology locking out all the hard disks compatibility and not testing new one anymore is all the proof that your better off going to Qnap.
I would say Asustor instead, as their hardware tends to be better for the same price, they support btrfs, and the LCD displays on their units are nice IMO.
They dont force you to use any particular drives the only thing you will get is a warning that the drives used are not on the list. You can still use whatever drive you want.
@@haneko6422 Of course they don't "force" you to use a particular disk. You just lose a lot of features that you may have bought Synology for in the first place =).
Can't even consider Synology, no GPU for transcoding. I think Asustor, as Qnap hardware isn't generally as good.
@@CalBru This. QNAP doesn’t support btrfs either.