Make Your VSR/SSG10 Whisper Quiet- Stalker Scorpion Piston
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2021
- This is just a TOY! It in no way is considered a firearm, nor can the methods here be used for firearms!
I hope you found this video helpful. I've seen people put carpet in their silencers, sponge, etc. see what works for you and let me know in the comments what you do.
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Great video as always! Informative, helpful and clearly showing the drastic difference in sound between the stock piston & long awaited Stalker Piston 👍🔥
Oh aieee girl
Great video... Amazing quality ... Always taking it to a whole new level. Can't wait to order one.
Try the Rapax springs too. Very consistent
I finally bought a stalker scorpion piston, and it's perfect. I got my ssg10 a1 firing at 2j-2.2j (1.7-1.9) before. it's definitely a lot quieter. Thank you for a great video guide
Awesome glad it helped. I need to do an update build
Awesome video bro, Amazing quality as always!
Cheers brah
Cant wait to get one :D Nice video man! Thx.
New airbrakes coming out soon and they work even better with SSG/non TM spec cylinder heads
Amazing cinematography and explanations!
Thanks man I really appreciate that
Another nice video, thanks for the awesome info too.
Thanks dude!
Nice man 😉👍
Thanks dude!
awsome video bro, ty for making it!
No probs
Good video again, as always!!
Cheers Nick!
Some great mods I can't wait to try:)
Like your HPA setup needs it!!!
Una pregunta tengo el pistón que si quiero conseguir los máximos julios y FPS cual tengo que montar
Gracias
Rly amazing & helpfull video thx for that 👍🙌
Cheers Homie!!!
Felt like I was watching an episode of pimp my ride but with an Airsoft gun.... Pimp my rif? 🤷♂️🤣
**Stalker piston added to cart**
Yo yo this is Xhibit!
@@Akastaten "I heard ya like guns so we put a gun, in yo gun"
Wow a very big drop in sound. Well worth the upgrades
Great for tuning also
Cool Vid, thanks for showing us
Most welcome. Will be doing a VSR/SSG custom build soon, with updates
Amazing !!!!! for SSG1O A3, what would you recommend apart Scorpion piston to make it quiet? thanks for your help !
Yes and the new version with the new airbrakes are amazing
At the end of the video, you mentioned, dialing in the weight. Can you please elaborate on that. I have looked up the piston kit. I see that the Spring Guide is included. With the exception of the piston, spring guide, rag in the stock, ScotchBrite, was there any other mods? I just purchased the Novriach SSG10. I was kind of disappointed with the noisiness of the rifle. Especially since I purchase the SSX23 as well. Thank you
The piston is modular with 2 sets of different body weights. You change the weight of the piston to help tune the power output.
Hello, I was asking myself some questions about how much does your fps drop with the air break.
After seeing the video I think I might try to change the piston one day or another but since i'm only using a 1.4j spring I don't know if this would be worth it considering the fps loss
I apparently saw that the piston also need larger springs, so i might change it too.
What spring should i get for shooting around 1.7-1.8 joules with a ssg10V1 with no modification (except for the piston and spring guide used in the video) ?
And also with a ssg10V1 is there a need of changing other part to fit the piston and spring guide ?
Hey im use the Wasp Piston and a middle Airbreaker but my SGG10 A1 doesn’t get quieter :( any one has an idea?
Hey man! How many decibels did it measure?
Nice work buddy
Thanks HH
Recommend adding lead sheets frist before sponge. Just like doing deadning to a car.
i have bought the stalker piston, and also an M170 spring. But for me it is louder, louder than the original. Maybe I need to put something inside the cylinder head to reduce the sound of the piston when it's hitting the head. Or look for another spring.
What is the noise? Spring noise or a slap impact?
For me is the same, i have slap impact noise really far away from your sound, i also tried to put the o ring in the air brake but, still noisy really similar to without airbrake
Muy bien video! Ya he adquirido el piston! Pero tengo una pregunta, que diferencia hay entre RAPAX RMS y RAPAX lightpull? Cual es mejor? Muchas gracias!
Rms has FPS adjusters. It’s shorter in length so you can’t cut it down as much as light pull.
hello ! ^^
i have a question
for quieter snipe its better to have long air break or a less spring with a litle litle air break , thanks you
It really depends on a few factors. So it’s best getting an adjustable airbrake like the scorpion
Hi there i have a tac41-a with stalker piston and stalker hopup and morpheus barrel with 2+j rapax lightpull spring, i have 100% airseal but my gun is still so loud i use the long airbreak
Just adjust the airbrake until it’s quiet. I think my airbrake for that build sticks out 7-10mm from the cup. Also did you get the GBB airbrakes? As the original TAC41 Scorpion is for the standard cylinder head not the Kraken cylinder head.
@@Akastaten yes i use those airbreaks specifically for the new unit i will try this thx for the info!
Incredible decrease in noise over all. I tried the can mod but i cant get rid of the "thwaaang" sound. Maybe its the springs from the trigger unit. the scorpion is everywhere out of stock, so stuffing the rifle stock and doing the can mod is all i can do. Suppressor isnt an option, because i dont want the extra length.^^ I dont want to use shorter outer barrel and sup. I play the MLC338 and its loud but a great gun.
You will be able to use the SSG10 Scorpion. It’s in stock. You can shorter your inner barrel and internally suppress.
And yes I forgot to include the “pong” sound removal which is dipping thick grease down into the trigger sear spring
Is the novritsch suppressor comes with the adapter or I don't need it for my ssg10a1? Can I just buy it and screw it on?
No it comes with a 14mm thread you will need adapter
Why not just add an air brake to the stock Novritsch piston?
I stuffed the buttstock full of Polyfill that is used in subwoofer enclosures.
Better than mrs dish towel
is the stalker piston compatible with the AA S trigger, AA spring guide and aa cylinder for my vsr?
Best using the Stalker Spring guide you get with it. But yes it works in AA cylinder
@@Akastaten last question :p but is this 90degrees?
Thank’s for your great video!
What’s the configuration of your piston ?
The new piston with new head, airbrakes and sorbo pad are coming out this week I think! In my video I had short stroked a 3j spring
@@Akastaten Thank you for your reply!
Shit I just bought the old piston!
Is there a big difference between the two?
@@crashnak sorry I’m thinking of the SRS one! There are new air brakes for the scorpions though. So measure your cylinder nozzle and then see which thickness would be best for you
Bro! I need help, i bought the new version of this piston wich have some space in the airbrake for o-rings mod if any want…. But is not working, is far away from the silence you have, any ideas to what to do?
What are you using? VSR or SSG?
@@Akastaten ssg10 a3
Can you do a video on the newest stalker scorpion piston for the SSG 10?
Yep will do! Awaiting the new hopunit from Stalker and I’ll do a combo video
@@Akastaten thanks man that will really help. I just bought the new scorpion piston
My ssg needs it, is so loud
Have you tried the Scorpion in your SRS? It’s extremely good!
Hi, what spring would I have to use to get 2.2 ish joules. E.g would I have to get the 3 joule tapas to account for the joule loss or would the Ssg10 stock spring be ok? Thanks
Depends on cylinder diameter. If it’s too narrow it will cause more drag.
Well it’s the stock 6.01mm barrel so what spring would you recommend?
@@ghosteclipz7007 as mentioned above it depends on your cylinder diameter not your barrel diameter. If you have some callipers measure the inside and then get the measurements for the new SSG10 Stalker cup and see what it’s like.
3:19 I used this technique every build i did, but i did a "larger " chamber with one small, 3 big hole and again one small hole then alternate them. just try it! :D
Yeh the more surface area you can create the better
@@Akastaten my point was make the air slow as possible after the BB but yeah.
if you see this, i don't know, I've tried with my phone and my computer but the link for the piston isn't working for me
Skirmshop.co.uk and .es and .nl all have it
Hi bought the scorpion thingy but i think its still loud af , is it better to have heavier piston? or lighter? or how did you spec your thing , because my is waaaay louder than yours one. Thanks
What setup do you have? What rif? Cylinder? Head? Barrel?
@@Akastaten atm using Crazy jet 430mm , used 4gold 1black , and a gold head , and i have a sorbopad , now i used the same setup as you 4black 1gold and gold head and its muchh much quieter and i pulled the airbrake pin about 8-9mm out , now its perfect gonna work with it abit more to see if its gonna be quieter , i do have 3.29j with 0.49g bbs tho
@@RIKTA1107 epic!
@Akastaten I need ur help , again: I bought the stalker piston and tried my first setup. Stock MLC338 to new AA hop up unit, rapax 3+ easy pull and the stalker piston with 3 steel and 2 aluminium parts (steel head and end) and the short airbrake. After finally get the cylinder closed I made a few testshots. It was way louder than before...
I'm clueless. Stock spring is ML 150 m/s spring around 3 Joule at .2 bbs. Help
Check air break thickness against nozzle diameter. Apply hop and ensure using good heavy weight BBs. Once that is done check adjust airbrake to get it quiet
@Akastaten okay, so I'm not stupid. The diameter Is way thinner than the cylinder head. So the airbreak doesn't work because it's to thin. So I have to find thicker airbreaks for the piston. Thx mate
@@lokii7910 yeh skirmshop have the the various thicknesses so just buy the appropriate one
@Akastaten
The 4,4mm airbreaks arrived and after bringing all together I have given up. There is no noise reduction at all. I swapped to the long airbreak but still nothing. I believe the diameter of the maple leaf cylinder head is to big for even the 4,4mm. Anyway, I tried to reproduce your results but failed to do so. Have a nice Sunday.
sorry dyslexic and fine it hard to do these things is there some where or could you tell me what set up for standerd SSG10 with this items eg piston and a rapax
APS2 Style Spring (2+Joule/Blue)- SRS//TAC41/SSG/VSR so i can play on field with 500fps max?
if you could help it would be great ?? so like 3 gold 1 black ect? thankyou
Rapax 2j should be ok. I’m not sure of weights. The new black/silver piston is out
@@Akastaten thankyou for answer i should be getting my gun and bits next wednessday so cannt wait to try
@@tripitaka1 awesome! There’s also a Rapax 2.8J should you feel you need that. You can cut the spring down easily
Did you use some kind of sorbo pads?
I’m doing an updated build for this in the next week or so
Was the mic placed in the target or beside you
It says on the screen. Mic placed at 7m and 20m
@Akastaten
Which weight did u use for the silent setup? I lose much FPS the more i use the airbreak with the "normal" rapax 3+J spring. I ended up with 4x alu and one steel part + steel head, no short stroke because i ended below 1.5J...
How did you lube? What RIF do you have? Which piston do you have?
@@Akastaten Its the same as in the other comments.^^ A Maple Leaf MLC 338. Scorpion piston, TNT steel cylinder head 4.7mm inner diameter (ML had a to wide diameter for the airbreaks). Its 3+ Rapax easy pull spring. FPS adjuster rings dont work because the sear wont catch the piston after Installation. Action Army Hop up unit (dampening type). 430 mm barrel and a 70° autobot Silicon bucking. Cylinder air seal works, but nozzle to hop unit not. Im on 2,2J with .20 bbs at 150 m/s. The more hop the more the speed and Joule drop without noisier change.
@@lokii7910 how are you lubing? Use callipers and measure head of cup and inner diameter of cylinder. Which Scorpion do you have VSR or SSG10?
@@Akastaten I lube the edges and outside of the cup with a thin layer of silicon oil. the concave opening of the TNT cylinder head has a depth of 7.5mm before the nozzle is reached with a diameter of 4,7mm (im using the 4.4mm airbreaks). I use the short version completly screwed in (7.5mm from edge of the cup to the tip of the airbreak). I think the silicon autobot 70° (Maple Leaf) is to weak despite its made for 90 - 120 m/s. I have a Rapax Hulk and a "older" Autobot 80° (rubber not silicone) as last way out. Ill ordered the yellow version with 60°. What do you think. Airbreak to short, how many mm out to take effect with the head?
@@lokii7910 how thick is the internal diameter of the cylinder itself though? Sounds like the cup is too large for the cylinder maybe? Do you have SSG10 or VSR Scorpion?
Nicely done 👍 It's definitely a great piece of engineering,
Definitely is!
I bought the stalker piston but i cannot get it silent what is the setup for this?
What’s your full setup?
@@Akastaten SSg10 with a rapax 2+ spring light pull with stalker spring guide and the piston
Personally it kinda sound the same from default ssg10 am i doing something wrong here?
What do you have SSG10 and SSG10 scorpion?
@@Akastaten yes I brought the piston from skrimshop the only difference is it's silver and black rings
@@dddavid132 what barrel do you have? Length? What weight and what length of airbrake?
What ghillie is she running in the video? Looks great!
Stalker leafsuit
Hi, Great Vid, I came looking for some advice on whether this would work with a JJ airsoft 90 Degree trigger, i bought a piston about 6 months ago but had to grind a bit off at the back as the trigger wouldn't engage properly, will this work with just a drop in or would i have to do the same and grind the back of the piston down again? Thanks in advance
I’ll look that trigger up. Generally it works with all VSR style 90 degree triggers.
That's great. I'm definitely looking at getting one considering the noise difference, currently running an SCW piston with airbrake but theres still that quite alot of sound from the piston hitting the cylinder head
@@Akastaten Hey dude, These have recently been restocked and am seriously considering these, however the only RAPAX spring they have in stock is the 3+ joule spring, i am currently using .48g bbs and am in the UK so i believe the joule limit is 2.32j would this still be possible with that spring without destroying it by cutting it down? Thanks in advance
@@kiwi1475 firstly Rapax can be cut without damaging it. Secondly, if you didn’t want to cut the spring you can short stroke the piston. This is a very good option as not only does it shorten you r pull but it builds pressure for the airbrake faster
Hi, so ive got this now and installed it however the spring is still really loud, alot louder than it was previously, any ideas on what i can do with this one?
Is the piston compatible for double bell VSR10?
I haven't tried that brand, you def need a 90 degree trigger though
@@Akastaten ow thank you sir. I guess it depends on the degree on the trigger then. Thanks sir
Mine still sounds kinda loud. I have the ssg10 a3. What is the best setup for the piston?
Depends on your cylinder, barrel and power. What way do you have yours?
@@Akastaten i went full black with air break maybe 10 threads out sorta deep. Someone recommended that to me...it was lackluster.
I copied yours from the video as well which is the way I have it. Gold head only a few threads showing past cup, 2 black 1 gold 2 black. 2.8j rapax and stalker spring guide. I didn't grease the spring or the piston yet.
@@theclash24 Did everything work?
My Ssg didn’t work after installing everything
@@jackpfannkuchen3224 yes. It did! It sounded loud next to my head for sure. But, after some suggestions to have someone fire at me from 60 meters I had the wife shoot at me and it was dead quiet. Check out my insta and you can hear my ssx23 and my ssg10!
@@theclash24 Thank you so much for answering, I will check it out
Can I use that all for the ssg96?
No it’s for VSR spec only
I’m still confused on how to use it
Does that piston compatible with snow wolf m24?
If it’s TM spec cylinder and 90 degree trigger
@@Akastaten okay thanks bro 😁👍
I would like to know why composed the Piston like That?
I am thinking of buying That piston too, so your oppinion and experiences are very Important to me. 😁
Thanks dude! You mean in terms of the weights?
@@Akastaten yeah, i would like to know what weight‘s you use, maybe you have more than just on setting and what do you think about adding More than 5 weights to the piston for the shorter bolt pull. Maybe you have some tips For me, because you tetsted a lot. I Hope i Could discribe it good enough, my english isn‘t That good.
@@Akastaten The Piston arrived today, I used 4gold and 2 Black pieces. I installed the airbreak and the bump Pad too, But my gun is so mich louder, do you have any idea whats the Problem?
@@jackpfannkuchen3224 what joules you putting out? How long is the Airbrake?
@@Akastaten I Took the 3 Joule Spring and the airbreak sticks out by around 80%. Before That I also used a 3 Joule Spring
how many fps does this weapon have ? will be silent even with the 700fps version ? Thx
I tried up to 3j and it was silent. I can’t test up to 700fps to answer you unfortunately
@@Akastaten and it can withstand such force (700fps) ?
@@danielkubicina3474 I only work in joules so not sure what 700fps is
@@Akastaten 5j
Nice.... Can't wait for the scorpion piston to drop. Absolute game changer for the SSG
Yeah it’s the one thing I didn’t like about SSG10 and it solves that
I may have missed something but how come the details state 4 x steel sections plus 1 steel head but you seem to have 5 steel sections?
I definitely only got 4 with mine which isn’t enough to make a full steel piston.
As a tester I got sent out loads of parts.
Thanks for the reply 👍
So I tried replicating the set up you seem to use with gold head, 4 black & 1 gold piece & got very different results. Around 1.5j. What spring do you use? I had to stick in an M160 & just about managed 2j. 🤔
@@tomkersey2572 I use RAPAX RMS 2j or 3j for short stroke
@@Akastaten Ah ok. Thanks for that 👍
can on mb44?
Not sure. Check spec of cylinder
That's amazing, how did you get your rifle to chirp like a bird? 🤣
No that wasn’t it... it was the butterfly!
Man that's what i'm talking about
think the ssg10 a2 can be done like that
Yep!
@@Akastaten
I need all the information
PLEASE on how to
for my ssg10 a2
or i will send you my gun 😂😂
omg does the Stalker fit the ssg24👀👀😍
No sadly it’s a different piston design to both VSR and ssg10
sorry it doesn't fit, maybe in the future i design some extra's who knows :)
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@@Akastaten cheers man
man i wish I could get stalker products in the US without having to pay a the same price of the order as shipping xD
Skirmshop U.K. post to US for £14 or £15
The piston head it's the only part that should be silenced
I’m not sure I know what you mean
@@Akastaten the piston, it's the Main part that mames more noise
@@Frambhueee yep and spring twang
I mean yes, a wasp or scorpion piston is a good upgrade.. but you literally cant shoot your ssg INSIDE and DRY FIRE. Both those things make it so much louder.
Yes that’s stating the obvious.
@@Akastaten But you did tho :p
@@Suhdudeb I know but I didn’t wana shoot a bb in my office. I think everyone knows slam fires are loud. Thanks for reaching out. I appreciate it
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Have you got one yet? Talk to Skirmshop.Es
English subtitles. I’m begging.
And drop your fps by 50%
Nope. With my SRS I can 3.14j out of a 2j spring
verify your age to see how you upgrading a toy? kids can play airsoft, what is the reason for this silliness.
It’s stupid… left wing big tech companies I guess
Verifying your age seriously!?
I know!!! It’s ridiculous
you have way to less followers
Thanks man. Feel free to spread/share!
@@Akastaten for shure
Bad info here bud, dry firing a rifle will always be louder than shooting a loaded rifle.
No comment of joule rating either knowing that your from a 1 joule country it’s so easy to get a quiet rifle, at 2.3j not so easy.
Misleading video
Your actually very wrong here 1 joule is harder to make quite beacuse an air break won't create as big an air cousin as it does with faster larger springs. This is because the same volume of air can escape out of the nozzle faster with a 1 jouke setup where it can't when that air is accelerated faster by a larger spring meaning 2 joules creates a larger air cousin because the air volume ans nozzle don't change.
Your assumption is totally wrong. I'd also like to point out that his tests here are done with a 2 joule setup any you can't hear anything except the bb cutting though the air. Your knowledge of the physics is the only thing that is misleading I am afraid. This set up works for 1.5 joukes and up. For 1 joule different parts will be developed to get that working with the same effect.
I cant shoot a live round in the studio. Yes it's a given that an empty rifle is louder. Everyone knows that. Do I need to highlight that? I don't think so as most of my video is for airsofter snipers that would know this. If you were to actually watch the video I do comment on the joule rating and the weight of BBs being used. I would suggest watching the info before commenting, it's not helpful for anyone, it's not intelligent.
@@FOXGREEN lol ok ok so the NO MED snipers we build here in the uk are very easy to get quiet even a stock 330 TM does a great job with its airbrake piston. Maybe you struggle to build sub joule rifle you might need to refine your teching skills further.
2 joule airsoft rifles in your country are also illegal 🤔 so you’ve recorded yourself test firing a section 1 firearms in the open in Northern Ireland 🤔🤔.
That’s not a great message to pass to the public.
So again who’s misleading who ?
@@PaulSmith-gw9ri Wow, that is such a mature answer!! Well done! How did you came up with this comment... I mean your info is so good and not based on your own problems and shortcomings as a tech! #sarcasmmodeoff
@@nickterhorst249 I was only saying that it could have been a better video showing before and after fitting the upgrades FG attacked me 🤷♂️ I retaliated.
Giving the public decent data can only ensure the ability of a product. 👍