Vintage Troy-Bilt Tiller Has Issues
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- A local subscriber "Stanley" was given this tiller when the original owner no longer had need for it. Stanley realized it was too big for his needs and maybe more then he bargained for so he passed it on to us. It ran when last used. How bad can it be? Lets get this 1980's Tecumseh powered Troy-Bilt Junior tiller back to work.
Tiller Model: 15006, 15006, 15006, 15021, 50126, 50127, 50173, 50204, 5311, 5611
Engine Model (HS35): H35-45593R
Reverse Belt: Troy-Bilt 50134 (Superseded to GW-50134) (3/8" x 27.65")
Forward Belt: Troy-Bilt 50161 (25" x 0.5")
Wheel Seal: Troy-Bilt 9621 (Superseded to 921-04031)
Tine Seal : Troy-Bilt 9613
Main Input Shaft Seal: 9600, GW-9600, GW-1983632, 1983632, GW-85030, GW-H213556, 85030
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James, every Thursday morning, I get my grandson off to school and settle in for my coffee and James video. Can't tell you how much I look forward to seeing something new and interesting from you every week. You are a great teacher and an inspiration to so many viewers. Thank you!
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@@jcondon1James next on the Tecumseh fuel lines take a bolt and connect it to the existing fuel line and then use electric tape and you can pull it right thru. Doneyboy has a good video on it.
I totally agree. He's great
We inherited my wife’s grandfather’s 1967 Troybilt Horse after we got married. This was 25 years ago. It had a 5hp Tecumseh. I lost my religion more times than I care to remember trying to start that thing. But of course this was before RUclips and your videos. Anyway, I bought a brand new Kohler direct replacement engine and it’s been the best money I ever spent. First pull every time. Love it. We actually keep it in our basement. It’s an old heirloom with a new heart.
The old Tecumseh and Briggs flat head motors were so darn tough. I don't think that those classic designs get enough appreciation.
yes i have a1980 + 5HP.. pony still have it...:-)
My grandfather had one just like this, and now I have it. They are incredibly well built machines from a different era when quality meant something.
In the late 70s my uncle started a small engine shop. We used to work,on a local landscapers machines. His guys was animals. Very hard on equipment. I serviced 6 new mowers one morning. At noon they came back with 4 of them broken. Handles broke, wheels broke. They just throw them off the truck I guessed. One day they came in and we thought it was weird the boss didn't come in or call. He ran a flower shop m as well. Guy was in a panic. They had a machine on the truck I recognized immediately. Only one I ever saw, it was the bosses personal troy built tiller. The big one. It was the biggest tiller I ever saw so I knew right away who's it was. They dropped it off the truck and busted the carb. Snapped it right off. My uncle told them it's a easy fix but it's gonna hurt. No after market back then. I remember it well. My uncle made them pay for the carb up front. It was over $100 just for the part. Plus gaskets and labor. He told them he give them the labor to help them out. It only took me a few minutes to put it on. They ponied up the money, we fixed it. Back then $100 was alot of money . Was probably over a weeks pay for a couple guys. They stopped throwing stuff off the truck.
Money the best way to fix stupid
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@@johncourtneidgeit is still the biggest tiller I ever saw. That old way of making stuff. Big,heavy,expensive. It was a beast. You could till up a huge garden in no time with that thing. Glad they picked it up and dropped it off for service. It weighed as much as a car. What a beast. The boss had to notice the new shiney carb on it. Not red anymore.
James, you are the consummate professional -- Each week your presentations are always worth-the-wait ! -- Thank You
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I have a 42 year old Troy built tiller and it still works great and is the best investment I ever made for my garden. They last forever!
My mother bought one like that right after they came out. I can remember the commercial for them of a lady going along behind the machine using only one hand to control the machine with. You could do that easily until you hit a rock then you'd better hang on with everything you have because it's going wherever it wants to go. Lol great video again sir.
1:11:15 mom?
Yea, my dad had one. I think it was in the 50s
I like watching your videos. You are meticulous and patient.
That machine is from an era when companies still built their products to last and be repaired. Thanks for extending its life.
I don't want to "dump on" all makers... there are still some solid machines that can be maintained to have a long life... Those don't show up in "mart" stores though. The TroyBilt brand under current ownership is not as tough as it used to be.
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James, you and I are around the same age, give or take a few years. I have to tell you that your videos are a Godsend, especially these last several months. Your videos help me zone out from life for an hour or so, and I thank you for that, especially since I really enjoy watching your methodology and skills being applied to these machines to bring them back to life. Thanks, man, I really appreciate it.
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I volunteer at ReStore - Habitat for Humanity's retail store - and a several years ago we had one of these come in as a donation. The donator said he couldn't get it started but when it ran, it ran well. I'm somewhat familiar with this Tecumseh engine since it was on the first snowblower my father had years ago so I had a go at it. Got it running; like yours, it ran well and smoothly. One of the guys at the store decided he'd "test" it at home to make sure it worked. He brought it back the next day and complained it ran too well. Seems that he under estimated how powerful the engine really was. While tiling he slipped and fell and the tiller dragged him for a few feet before he let go. The person who bought it was a regular customer and always talks about how well it still is running today. Don't make them like they used to.
I have a Troy Bilt Horse tiller. My dad bought it new in 1978. Use it every year in my garden.
Yep, same here. Pop kept about a 1/4 acre garden every year with it. Still runs like a champ!
Growing up in the 80s my Dad had one just like this and when you started this machine up those engine sounds brought back so many memories back from all of those different growing seasons throughout all of those years 😎🙂👍
That is a beautiful machine, thank you James for saving it. Year's of use left!
looked after properly that old girl will last another 40 yrs, great video James
I have the home gardener model build by Mastport and it is 44 years old and is still as when we brought it for $250 in 1980. they still this model but it cost $1500.
Now waiting to see a couple of rows of cabbages in your yard this year! 😄Great fix, love the video!
Great job!!!!! Glad you went the extra mile and checked the gear boxes to find the potential demise of this tiller! Thanks!
That was made back when Troy built was the best tiller on the market before MTD made changes to Troy built company thank you for posting this video on this tiller James 😎👍💰
Well, I had a Troy Built tiller like this AFTER MTD owned the company and it was nothing like the quality that this one seems to have. I have rocky ground and I found that the tines were made of some sort of soft steel because they bent every time I used it. It also had some different size drive pulleys so that you could run at different speeds - you changed the speed by having a lever which raised the entire engine on a lever so that the different size drive pulley could be used. Like the tines this lever bent every time you used it. Then on a larger garden the tine width was far too small for what I needed. I sold this beast soon after and cursed MTD for ruining what was a good quality make originally.
MTD didn't make changes to the company. Troy-Bilt went out of business, and a few years later the name was sold to MTD. MTD is NOT making true Troy-Bilts, just slapping the name on their products. John Deere riding mowers and Motorola walkie-talkies are the same: made by companies you've never heard of, with the brand name they bought slapped on.
BCS tillers we're far superior to Troy Built. No belts, clutch and gear selector for the wheels, pto clutch for the tines and array of implements( sweeper,brush cutter, snow blower ECT) . Tiller tines spun really fast without slippage. Check em out.
@@Bob-bm3pd thanks for the info on this brand of machine
Those were great tillers. My grandfather bought one in the early 90s, and it's still running stong. I always thought the drive wheels could have been a bit slower but we have really hard dirt where I live.
James great save, a tip from my grandfather from many years past 2/3 gear oil 90w and 1/3 gear grease mixed with a mixer helps with stopping leaks and lubrication in small engine gear boxes.
Keep posting.
Tks Michael.
That recoil sounded ruff 🐶 but I remember those from back in 85 and they really worked well. It’s nice to see one still tilling. 👍
12 point sockets work well on square drive plugs.
Love the sound of an old engine like that. Music to my ears!
I was able to bring the peace of mind to see this report to the end.
Thanks for making these moving images.
See you next time.
I have one (Horse model) from the 1970;s. Best way I have found to get the tine assembly off, if it is siezed, is to take the pin out and operate it in hard clay or similar hard soil. Generally, spins it free so you can slip it off. Great machines back in the day. Great video. I had to eventually repower mine as the old Tecumseh (not a fan) just was beyond repair.
WATCH all your goodies and knowledge everyday. It gives me back my memory and abilities to continue.
Got to love those old Troy-Bilt tillers. Very little plastic on that ol' girl. I must be crazy, but if there was ever a tiller that warranted a full restoration, it would be this one....that is, in about ten years when it was fully broke in....🙂
Thank you Stanley, for your generous donation and support to a worthy channel. Thank you James for another demonstration of your skills.
Loved the video.
If I remember correctly, those were Deep Tillage Machines. Sheesh that brings back ALOT of memories! I so wanted one 30 years ago.
I have a Troy Bilt Econ Horse, purchased new back in mid 80's. Still running strong. Easy to start. My model had a leak in the rear seal at the end of the shaft between the tines. My shield has enclosed sides. A well made machine back in the day.
Mine has seen more use than your machine. I replaced the tines about 8 years ago.
Glad that the water did not damage the transmission. There was a LOT of water which came out.
My machine has spent its life in the garage except for the short time tilling the garden each year.
Good to see your machine back for a second life.
Those Troy bilt made in Troy, New York were excellent machines. I have a 15 horsepower Horse which is an animal. Always nice watching James. Thank you.
They throw 100 lb. rocks out of the ground like nothing. They have tractor tires on them and they will drag you. They have a high and low range transmission and they can pull you around like a rag doll.
Imagine stabling etc 15 horses!
What a sad day when Gardenway, the parent company of Troy Bilt went bankrupt. I still have my Troy Horse and it still performs like the day I bought it back in the early 80s. They are so well built that that they very seldom needed repairs but if they ever needed repair, the owners manual included a complete shop manual with step by stem directions as how to make the repairs. Although the TroyBilt tillers are still made, they are nothing as compared to the older ones.
amazing to see how well that machine runs!
James that is amazing to see the quality of the Manuals back in the day. Caterpillar always provided good manuals for repair and service with their equipment too.
I should add the quality of that Tiller is first class, you would struggle to find one made like that today.
Troy Bilt really built quality products back then. Horse and Bronco are tough.
Great job on the tiller James. I always thought those Troy built had the tines turn in opposite direction, while the wheels turned forward. That’s why they worked so well. I guess I was wrong. And I wondered why you didn’t stick the axle pin through the wheel and then the axle. I figured that out. Thats just for travel. I’ve had a craftsman tiller for years and didn’t know this about those pins. By the way, I’ve sheered 3 of those off this year. Keep up the good work on the videos.
Hi James - I had a similar problem with the tynes and the oil leaks at the shaft- on a Masport Rota Hoe ( New Zealand brand ) My dad & I cut out thick felt washers and placed them between the seal and the tyne - we covered these felt washers in grease and they have worked well - still in use today/ The troy machine is a bit more upmarket than the rota hoe - they are both about the same age however. Anyway they both get the job done effectively.... well done - I do like the old Tecumseh engines - much smoother than B&S of the time.
Amazing troubleshooting James 😊
Ugh. Water. I have a Troy Bilt pressure washer. When I was outside pressure washing one day, I came up with the bright idea of pressure washing the pressure washer. Being the genius that I am, I forgot about the vent on the gas cap. It took more than a year to get all of the water out of the system. I cleaned the tank and carb multiple times, replaced all of the fuel lines, and I still had water in the system. It was a nightmare.
James Condon Mechanical and Electrical Engineer....LOL....always look forward to your videos...great job
My grandfather had one of these. It was built like an old Chevrolet farm truck. The soil on his IA farm - when I put my weight onto the handles the tines sunk all the way in. That Tecumseh engine angled its nose up into the sky.
I just tilled my mothers garden using this exact model on Monday! We've been using a single tine toro for years, and we asked if we could borrow the neighbors troy bilt. This thing ate up the earth like nobodys business. We were done in under an hour. Cool to see this video so soon after.
You gotta drop that depth lever all the way so you can push the tines into the soil. The rear end flap should be riding on the top of the soil with the tines dug in, spinning and churning almost all the way up to the fender.
Think kneeding dough, and you're kinda just scoring it on top with a fork.
The drive function should be in its slowest pace, just strong enough to drag the tines forward into more dirt.
Dig in bud!
The soil should be all torn up for more than 6 inches, otherwise you aren't turning under the other plants root systems, and they'll grow back among your tomato plants.
James, I worked my way through high school and undergrad fixing lawn equipment for a hardware store. It was fun to bring a non-operable mower or tiller back to life. Your videos remind me of those days 60 years ago! Thanks!
James, it always amazes me how you can come up with wiring diagrams, part numbers and torque specs on so many of these different pieces of equipment that you are able to resurrect. I would love to see a video on how you find this information. Other than that, I am always impressed with your presentation and content. Thanks.
I have the Troy Built Horse, the 8 horse power version. I believe that we purchased it in the 1970's. We till about a half acre several times a year to control weeds. It takes about 4 hours. It does an amazing job if I keep the ground soft and weeds small. Great machine!
Great video sir.
These are so expensive and this thing runs better than anything in my life has seen.
The amount of good luck on this project just blows my mind. Good and lucky you are.
I love the older power equipment with adjustable carbs. And parts made of steel!
I like that you show the younger people the principle of carb adjustment and fine tuning. The surging under load at the end of the video was really a great illustration of how the mixture plays together with the work being done!
Very satisfying to watch you bring that machine back up to par. Well done James. 👍👍
Rance here, I to want to give you my thanks and appreciation for your time and efforts required to produce rhese high quality videos that afford us pleasure and a learning experience. For me your videos are perfect and again "Thank you"
Thanks Rance
Hi James, great job, tiller is running great. from Derrick Congdon
Seasonally timed content, a well built machine, and original documentation. Another good one James.
Great video. Enjoyed seeing such a lovely old tiller out back to working order. Thanks James.
I have watched almost all of your videos as they really distract me from my health problems and help me relax. That tiller certainly was designed and built well. As always, I appreciate your thoroughness and care for details. Best wishes!
I just got my hands on an old TB horse with all the paperwork. The owners manual is 200 pages.
Very good video again James! I love the old equipment over the new because it was just built to last . The only down fall in this case is that Tecumseh is no longer in business , however you could repower it if needed .But I also look at it as they built engines to last if taken care of . One funny thing which I did today when I was mowing our back yard is the same thing you did and that was to turn the gas on . I \'m mowing and all of a sudden my mower started to surge and I was like what the heck , then it dawned on me to turn the gas on . Oh well. Take care sir and catch you on your next video.
You know it's good when he plays the tuba as the lift is going down ....hahaha
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Those tillers are designed to be run with one hand so you can walk to one side of the freshly tilled dirt. "No wheel marks or foot prints" was one of the tag lines in Troy-Bilt ads.
When I was a kid, my dad bought a Pony (next size up from the Jr). It had a 5 hp Briggs I/C on it. I ran it a lot, much of it one handed.
I wish you had pulled the depth bar all the way up. Those tillers look pretty cool running down a row with the nose pointed at the sky, tines buried in the dirt and the tine guard flat on the fresh dirt.
Less weeds that way too. The rain would soak in and had less erosion.
Back in the 70’s they were factory direct sales only. They shipped straight to your house. What a fantastic reputation they had.
Nice job :)
And all is made of steel besides the fuel tank and that is is great regarding rust at least.
Thanks for the upload.
Great video. I love it when I see videos like this showing every pain staking detail. I have been working on my Craftsman front tine tiller and watching videos on it, so RUclips took me to this video automatically. I started watching and couldn't stop. I watched the entire hour and a half, lol.
My parents had one of these growing up and I remember it being a BEAST. My brother would have the auger completely underground and engine sticking straight up and it just went.
It was only used for 30 min every year but damn was it reliable. Same thing with our chipper shredder. Same engine.
We used ours a lot more, spring ,summer and fall: we had different crops. As soon as lettuce, peas, chard and spinach were done , they were tilled under for corn, beans and tomatoes. They were plowed under for fall broccoli, cauliflower, and brussule sprouts. I picked the last of them Christmas week one year. Just to see rows of corn get chopped up and buried in one pass was beautiful: a great machine! The tomato vines were too tough and had to be pulled out.
buddy i grew up with. his dad worked at the troy shop for troy bilt. he use to bring home parts for horses and build them in basement then sell them off. also bring the 8hp motors and toss them on minibikes. omg the fun we had. we were not allowed to use the tiller tho. as they buck bad and u have to learn to it go when it does hahhaha.... when i buy one of these i check the ser to see if years he worked there it was made. offten think his hands may have touched this tiller back then when building it. memorys........... you brought back memorys for me mr c. ty
I am new to your channel, and I must say it is very helpful and enjoyable to watch. Another great video! 👍👍👍👍👍
That is a nice old tiller, you just can't beat older equipment, it's must built to last unlike the junk of today. Nice work fixing up this old tiller James!
I have an old Troy bilt tiller with an 11 hp engine, it's a beast.
I've got the exact same tiller. I replaced the motor with one from Harbor Freight, and it bolted right on. I had to remove the oil shutoff on the motor because of all the tilting I do when tilling it would cut off. It's leaking a bit around the drive wheels so watching you take those seals off and replacing them was a huge help for when I do it. Thanks for sharing.
I just found n this channel about a week ago....I hand surgery and you have saved my sanity! GREAT chanbel!!
Another exquisite video on a very thorough repair. I enjoy your professionalism very much. Keep the videos coming.👍
James great video and content. I really enjoy your channel and videos.
The old ones dig like a king
Wow! We had on just like it as a kid in the early 80s when we had a farm in PA. Awesome !
Always nice to have a real Garden-Way produced TroyBilt Tiller! They are bulletproof!
James, once again a great video. Since you mentioned getting a part from Amazon I would like to tell you a recent story I had regarding Amazon. My van started leaking from the thermostat housing so I nursed it home and went about finding the replacement part. First Chrysler discontinued the part and it is now made by Dorman. All the big name part stores could get the part in about 5-7 days for roughly $35. While googling other possibilities it said Amazon had the part so I went to their site. I found the exact same part by Dorman for $19 and a new thermostat (Gates) for $8 and it would be delivered in just hours. It arrived at 6:30 am and I was back on the road literally 30 minutes later.
"Troy-Built" used to be a reliable sign of really GOOD quality. That seems to be reflected in this machine. I guess that small roto-tillers are much like mobile generators in that they are are used on a
very limited basis. Long periods of time can be spent awaiting the next use. Certainly not much "day to day" usage. Your step by step analysis of the current issues is very thorough AND educational.
I always learn more about the "machines" involved. The Black gloves are also a nice touch for the video watchers. Thank you very much!!
James, you are the small engine whisperer! Thank you for sharing! :)
The situation in New Zealand is Tillers are in short supply new, and grossly expensive. Simple blades under motor ones start at $1200, a Stihl is $1600. Rear tine models with gearbox start at $2000.
As interest in gardening has reemerged post Covid, the second hand market is equally crazy. People will pay $500 for extremely old models that have sat outside. If the machine is approaching anything decent like in this video, then $1000 is a start point.
People are selling ones with parts missing for $200 and they get snapped up.
Crazy times.
I just bought myself a compression tester. What a time saver.
I’ve got some hours behind a Pony model, for sure. Same vintage, maybe a little earlier. They were quite the machines. I’d buy a used piece of equipment from you any day.
James, I have watched several of your videos and get so much out of them so thank you for putting these out
Love your clear and detailed analysis, so easy to listen to. Thanks.
The tiller is a seldom use machine. 2hrs of use, once in the spring. If at all, these days. That’s why the motor sounds so good. Great replacement motors with electric start can be found on snowblowers.
I was thinking the same thing. I have a slightly larger 5hp snow blower engine with the same second pulley on the camshaft. Was thinking of pulling that one out if the governor was junk. Of coarse that engine has no compression so may not have been viable.
Great video! Wire brushing the pulleys was superb ! Keep up the great work!
Very nice repair. That's a well made Tiller. I'm impressed OEM parts are still available. The bolts for the tines are breakaway bolts. Protects the machine if it hits a big rock or root.
Thanks for the video sir..... Those flatheads are hard to beat vrs the newer ones
Good show Mr. Dondon. I have o garden, but I would get a tiller if I had one. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
3,000 rpm sounded to me much more reasonable for tilling. As I am older I can till a little longer even when soil is hard. Just means it needs more mulch to loosen the garden soil up. Leaves, mulch, and grass makes the soil looser and earthworms more abundant. Don't forget your son will go through a male testing phase where your motorbike will be pressed. Do not despair as this phase usually lasts till 20 or 21 and needs some love and understanding because usually several close calls are entailed. Girls also go through somewhat the same stage whereby self control seems lacking. Then adulthood commences.
top notch entertainment 79 years young and still enjoy mechanics . my latest toy is a Twin Busch 242-A. two post car lift . €2,200 euros delivered and it came in two days .
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Could not help but notice the Tecumseh engine had a Made in Grafton ,WI label. Used to drive by that building when I was a kid. I think it’s now a storage facility. A former US manufacturing company that is now just a memory, but many of their engines are still going. I enjoy your videos.
Hey Jim, Careful on that great looking new driveway....
Sorry I meant to say James...not Jim
allways interesting james you are a star!
Nice, older machine! Well, you've got yourself a nice little tilled plot, no time like the present to plant a little garden!
Those Troy built tillers are the best. I’ve used both the pony as you have in the video as well as the vintage big model they make and that one will do large gardens easily.
I really enjoy your videos, James. Thank you for your effort in the engine work as well as the videos. Naturally, I was not surprised your power washer was a small engine version 😄
I loved watching you bring this well-made older machine back to life. I would take a nice older machine like this tiller any day over some newer poorly made, half-plastic made in china piece of junk.
Another fantastic video Jim! I look forward to your weekly videos!!
Excluding having sold this to someone else who didn't do maintenance, if they really cared about this machine they would have used that chart and filled out and tracked the maintenance. I'm just being picky. Thanks for the content.❤
Now I know what's involved in replacing my leaking seals on my TB pony from 1987.
I had one. Zero problems when I sold it
thank you James