I left a cult as well. I didn’t know it was a cult. I was so blinded by my desire to serve God and be counted as his child. I am so thankful God opened my eyes to see where I was. I was there for 17 years , from my late 20’s till my mid 40’s. It caused me all kinds of anxiety and depression to be subject to that kind of pressure and to be told constantly you are not good enough, no matter what you do. The worse part was that those people became my support and my family and I truly care for them. None of them will speak to me now since I left. They thing I’m a traitor and I don’t even know what the leaders told the congregation about me and why I left. But I love God and I am still a Christian, I just would never let anyone oppress me again.
I feel so bad for Phil I’m glad he was able to see through all that crap his father made up his pretty brave and I hope he is able to see and spend time with his grandson
So many different types of pain caused by Neville. Phil won't ever see any of his grandchildren that Dawn or Cherish have but on the other side of the coin Sandy won't really get to know any grandchildren from any of her other children either. Neville has a lot to answer for but he seemed to enjoy the destruction he wrought on a son that stood up to him
it's suck that he only got 5 years people who get caught dealing drugs get more time and he molested his own son and only got 5 what is wrong with that EVERYTHING!!
That's one pathetic mother, abandoning her children, to live in the cult. She's not afraid of god, she's afraid of death. She's one mother that would never die for her children, nor live for them, thus not a mother at all. I pity her, she's a sad, hollow person, no loss for those kids, they deserve so much more.
I wouldn’t feel too much sympathy for her. She had a child after she went back and participated in keeping that child away from her father. She also told her children she wished they had never been born
I think he knows he is doing wrong to those people and children. He avoids answering the questions and says "let them think what they like!" Which is a defence mechanism and also a refusal to answer the questions, in other words he deflects the question to "them!" In saying "let them think etc etc..." Also when ever he is asked about a his behaviour he pretends to nearly cry, putting on some crocodile tears which are clearly forced. You'll notice his voice get high pitched and it has a "poor me!" Tone to it. He is clearly narcissistic and psychopathic. This type of person believes in their own lies but also know fully that they are doing something wrong. In other words they know it's wrong and if they saw anyone else doing it they would be the first to say how wrong it it but because they see themselves as above everyone else, if they do it then that's ok because they are above the wrong! This is why he can't give answers that are straight forward because he is aware that the act is wrong but his defence of poor me is his narcissistic self belief of "I mean well so I'm doing something good, it's awful that you accuse me of these wrong doings!!!" He is one fruit loop!
Jo Mormont Judging the actions of others is a normal, natural and necessary function of every thinking person. However, one can only directly PASS judgement on those whom one has direct or indirect authority over. Now that you have MISJUDGED a superior, you too will be judged by one of your subordinates. As you have sown, so you are ALEADY reaping. You cannot say that you were never warned insolent transvestite (I conditionally apologize if you have never worn men's clothing like jeans).
Jo Mormont Now that you are clearly a LOOSE WOMAN, please go and serve your masters like a good wife and daughter. The consequences for disobeying one's superiors can be VERY severe.
I think NZ is like Europe, where they tend to give much lighter sentences for most crimes than does "barbaric" America. (However, many European countries are much tougher on politically disapproved speech than we are!)
I wonder if Sandy has any idea how many people see her as sick, shes being lead by pure evil. phills face lit up when he saw his grandson, im sure he cried when the cameras left.
lubabe69 let's not forget, no matter how much of a victim Phill is, he kidnapped a grown woman, and forced her to leave her home against her will, which is a crime, and a violation of human rights.
@@laurawalker9773 He was trying to save his wife! How is that wrong? She was too brainwashed to see the truth at that point. After, when she chose to go back, he didn't stop her.
Cult leaders prey on trust and the innocent. They TWIST the Bible to fit their beliefs. The cult leader where I was knew things--conversations hours away. She just seemed to have that ability--yet I was reminded after I and a friend escaped in Jan. 2010, that the devil also has certain kinds of knowledge like that. My friend and I caught the cult leader lying and not giving people their property back. That was all after 13 years or so had gone by. Then it's like the mask came off and she became MEAN and HATEFUL. And threatening. Our lives had become endangered.
I escaped a different cult in 2010. It was based on fear, control, threats and lies. The fear was the main reason I stayed. Was there 17 years. The cult leader got cancer and died about a year and a half after I and another woman escaped.
I'd call him the down under Warren Jeffs, but Jeffs is in prison for life without the possibility of parole for the exact same crimes. paedophilia is still a crime, regardless of religious beliefs.
Yes. I understand that the criminal justice system is much more lax in certain other countries. But why can’t they see that abusing children has horrific ripple affects that last generations? Those are the crimes that should merit the longest sentences, along with murder.
+Genevieve Gallagher The worst part is, without income, they posess NOTHING, making leaving all that much harder. All they have is each other and hard work.
What? No it's not. Kids get removed from their parents all the time for parental abuse. You don't have the "parental right" to abuse or neglect your children. And forcing these children into slave labor and denying them a childhood is abuse. Not to mention all the other things like sexual abuse being accused.
Well yes that is what a cult is, dah. Group Controlled by one person, and isolated usually in the name of religion. Their financially freedom is controlled by one leader as is everything else.
Well; this could all be fine and dandy if they only lived as pure christians! No sex-abuse, no inbread , no cutting off the poor people who wants to leave, and keeping sex among adults were it belongs and having a free will of their own instead of listening to a dangerous perverted leader . But it NEVER works out in cults does it...
Petra Nyman yeah true. I'm a Christian myself. But could never join this. I'd be forced to get married and pump out kids constantly. Plus, I would have no decisions, it would be man decisions, not God's
It never works out in fundamentalist religious groups period. All have super high rates of domestic violence, sexual assaults and child abuse of all kinds. It stems from severe gender constructs that place men above women (and thereby take away their autonomy over their lives and their bodies) and combine an obsession with sex with strict sexual repression.
If you grow up in one of these cults, your life is almost sealed to remain in that lifestyle till you die. You will believe that it's "God's will" and allow yourself to be controlled by others. A cult leader will live your life for you. I should know. I was part of such a cult. I managed to break from it but my wife deserted me and remained there. She died of cancer only 3 years after deserting me. Karma has a way of repaying people who do such evil things.
Good God I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine how terrible that must have been. I hope that you are still finding some peace out of that cult that took her in.
I'd really like to know how this one young man found the sanity to not let himself be controlled by cult leader, his own father. Maybe it was the gross invention of the sexual assault that he knew in his heart was wrong? Thank the Lord he had the courage to break away & keep his wits about him to go on! I pray the Lord keeps him well. Hopefully others will follow. Nobody deserves to be controlled like that. Nobody.
It was Clive and his wife who showed Phil what real love is. Clive was a business contact and he took Phil under his wing. He also spent so much time outside of the cult (due to the cult needing to interact to get money) that he learned how real relationships should operate. Not the way Neville thought they should
I am living a life my like Phil Cooper including never seeing my grandsons nor granddaughters. My distance from them is due to brainwashing of a religious nature. I feel a connection to Phil's situation that I didnt know existed here on here. Blessings to Phil.
I know this message is from many years back but why don't you guys Sue use the state laws to get options to get your grandchildren and be with your grandchildren outside of their control sue the pants off the little buggers for all the money that they're taking from the children and all their taking out of their lives somebody's got to take control what has happened since 2008 to this cult it's sad very sad
Yes, just asked the same. They state they export goods to USA,. I would like to know so I can boycott and spread the word. Please post in a single comment if anyone out there knows. Thanks. Just utterly disgusting!
I've always thought that living in a community away from tv, and social media would be so awesome. Everyone could follow whatever religion, if any, they wanted. It would just be living a simpler life. No cult or brainwashing, just people living together, no matter race, religion or sexual orientation, accepting everyone unconditionally. It will never happen, but it's nice to dream about.
3:53 you can take Santa away from the kids, I mean that's wrong enough, but you've crossed a line when you take away the backboard to their basketball hoop. What kind of sick man are they dealing with!??
Neville changed his name to Hopeful Christian. He died a few years ago. In the last couple of years, a lot of people have fled Gloriavale, with all sorts of allegations. There is now nearly 600 cult members.
He's putting this all in GOD'S name? Seriously, read the bible old man, this madness is forbidden…just the opposite. What seems to be going on is that he thinks that he is God. Twelve year olds are not women. The closest thing I did to that in SEVENTH GRADE was babysit for a couple of hours! I wonder what will happen when he dies in 10 years.
You put your finger on something I've started noticing......religious leaders turn bad when they replace being Christlike, with wanting to be like God. This was also satan's downfall.
Eerily similar to so many other "unique" cults worldwide. I knew Phil for a while in the years following his escape. Great guy and a straight shooter. I don't doubt his story for a minute, and sadly I can testify that the sort of complete denial and brainwashing that many of his indoctinated detractors exhibit is "sincere" as well. Sincerely misled. Good on you Phil and all the best.
How do people get involved in a cult like this? It must start slow enough that they don't realize how crazy the beliefs are, then they get brainwashed into staying.
Most of them are born there so know no different. Indoctrination from birth. Those that do join are just looking for a world where every need is taken care of. No money worries, a roof over your head and lots of family. For someone who is desperate for those sorts of things it can be very easy to be pulled in
I can’t watch this. We ARE eternal beings and it’s so sad that so many of us have forgotten and it’s even sadder that there are those who will prey upon that forgetfulness.
"I alone can fix it." Those poor people. I said it over and over; ignorance is not bliss. He's convinced them they would be abandoning God if they left him, or letting God down if they don't follow his instructions.
Reporter: "And from a very early age, the indoctrination begins." Reporter, asking 'indoctrinated' children: "Have you kids ever heard of Santa Claus?"
God is with you always , I'm 100% walking away from your husband . let no man seperate what God has joined together . the husband and wife are now one . pray Josh
"These children are not going to go on the dole. We will find work for them, and if they can't work for some reason, we will look after them." ...Well a stopped clock is right twice a day I guess.
She's wrong. Their idea of God is wrong. God never said ignore your family if they don't believe the same. He says love your enemies. This cult doesn't even know the true God.
That's true. I found myself agreeing with some of their statements. I realize it's a cult and very unhealthy in many ways, but some of the things the documentary talks about isn't wrong!
@@FatalFinality children seeing parents have sex....children getting married and working all their lives for zero pay....having some creepster telling you what to do and when to do it. Insane.
@@emilywilson3469 I said it's a cult and very unhealthy in many ways. I didn't think I had to explain which ways it was unhealthy. Thank you for highlighting what I meant by my comment.
If they ever leave, they WILL be on "the dole," though. They have no degrees and no outside work experience, which will leave them vulnerable to exploitation by employers.
Its tough to judge this , the news media makes so many mistakes in their reporting . True Christianity should go out beyond the church doors or property , not kept bottled up . I like the way they keep themselves unspotted from the worldly sins . Could I do that ?? No . got to get out amongst the wolves , and share the gospel .
She thinks that living a certain way will be her salvation. But the bible states clearly that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone. Not by works lest any man should boast. This is ‘works salvation’ and that saves no one.
What point are you trying to make. What about that isn't true.. If they look after them that isn't the dole, by definition the dole is from the government. He is trying to say they don't take government handouts.
If it weren't for the sexual abuse this lifestyle wouldn't be so bad. The problem is that a lot of times the leaders of these groups are disgusting perverts. If he genuinely loved the lord and wanted to help people to live a life that is pleasing to God it would be a wonderful place to live. As for the children working at a young age this was commonly practiced in biblical times. Young boys would work very closely with their fathers and young girls with their mothers. This bonds families together and teach children responsibility. We need more of this mentality today. I do agree with a lifestyle void of worldly distractions and absent of pagan practices. Such as Easter, Christmas, Halloween etc.
It is events like these that convince me the idea of a all powerful god is a myth.There is no freaking way a god with the power to stop this abuse will let it go on! If he does he is evil!! Don't give me that "he will get you in the end" BS or that the child will be rewarded in heaven. There is no way a god is sitting by and letting this happen unless he is not all powerful.
Wow Phil I am so sorry for you not to know your beautiful grandchildren.we have three and one more due any day.we love spending time with our grandson.they are so cute and wonderful to spend time with .. Our two boys are a mess and a half.and we go to church and do not need to be quartered off from everyone to have eternal life.bc Christ died for all of our sins....
This group doesn't come off as bad as they'd like them to. The leader is a grotesque piece of shit without doubt, he is creepy and should still be in jail, but I think it's obvious they're trying to make everyone else seem far worse than they are. I think they were expecting a place rife with the expected abuse of a Jonestown style cult but they didn't get that, so they're trying to twist as much as they can with what little they had. My greatest sympathy to the leaders abused son.
Sandy has that tone of voice people get when the just cannot bear to admit they might have been wrong. And it's costing them dearly, but their ego is the only thing they are serving.
I don’t understand why they say kids are been exploited because they are working and are aren’t they eating from what they produce? I don’t agree with sexual abuse he will give count to God for his actions but the working don’t see anything wrong to teach kids the value of work.
I agree that kids should learn the value of work. But the work these kids are doing is not something like helping in the household. It is actual work that makes money and who do you think gets this money? One hint: it's not the children.
When kids are worked all day (for money they do not get) and it's done instead of the kids getting a proper education, that is not teaching the value of work; It's exploitation of their labor and control over their future.
Christine Jillian Christmas was something the idol worshippers created centuries ago.. so the Christians could participate in their idol worship by putting "Christ" into it. It's pagan. Jesus had nothing to do with pine trees and presents under a tree and mistletoe.he likely wasn't even born in December as apparently shepherds don't go out that time (Winter)
The origins of Christmas comes from Ancient Babylonian pagan celebration of Nimrod. From the tree, to the Yule logs, the lights and the mistletoe to the giving of gifts etc..... Have a conversation with a Pastor or Minister and ask them about these rituals that their Church partake in. Then watch them get angry and give you all the excuses under the sun that they are celebrating the birth of our Messiah. The truth certainty does divide the wheat from the tares. The truth that some Christians too can't handle.
First of all man, this is not Christianity. Second of all you are absolutely right that people do control others with the facade of using Christianity or many many other beliefs/religions as their way to get away with it. The people who do that are pure evil. Yet there are plenty who do not do this. So again, that does not mean that ALL are like that old geezer. Don't use evil people as an excuse to say that God can't be real or whatever you may be implying. You are still held accountable for your life and your actions.
Jo Mormont Oh don't worry! I'm not letting these types of people affect my lack of belief of a god or gods. All I need to believe in that is just some actual proof and evidence.
JerseyKac92 Well I see where you are coming from and I understand, cuz I was the same way; however it is inherently a problem to require proof when God asks for faith. Blessed are they that believe than those who know with proof. But I wish you good luck on all that either way.
Jo Mormont Thank you, to each their own. I'm just the type of person who will always need proof and evidence before believing any extraordinary claims.
Miriam Spillane God (Who is alive and well) gave us His Word (the Bible) as His love letter to us and His instruction manual to all mankind. He didn't just create man and then leave him to flounder around wondering how life should be lived. God put in His Word His laws, testimonies, precepts, commandments, judgments, statutes, rules, guidelines, ways, and boundaries. He has done this out of love to protect and guide us. His word says: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." (Psalm 14:1) "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good." (Psalm 53:1) "But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 10:33) God has given you a free will, and you can use that free will to hard-heartedly shake your fist and say, "There is no God." Or, you can use your free will to seek Him. "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (Matthew 6:33) "Seek ye the Lord while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteousness man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon." (Isaiah 55:6-7)
This cult remind me of a smaller scale jehovah's witness. If the watchtower can keep all their believers in a remote area without contact with the outside world, they would!
sean sullivan No they are not they dont shun you. if you get dis fellowshipped then you get it you just cant talk to other j dubs. at all. can talk to your parents. but not any other Jehovah
And shunning people is not something every church does only some jehovahs do this and shun the there desfellowshipped children. Most are old and stuck in there ways from the past.
Chores would be when parents assign it to children. When the products of children labor gets exported and the profits go somewhere else, it should warrant investigation.
Chores aren't meant to be more than 20 minutes out of the whole day. These kids work for hours, literally hours and receive no pocket money. One woman was arrested for killing her step son and part of getting her convicted was neighbors saying the boy did chores from sun up to sun down. That is abuse.
blobbles78 I have no problems with the chores. They are learning useful skills. Better thant than 3 hours of TV/video games and none of those children looks ill, mal nourished, poorly. They look fit as a fiddle and happy and well.
i met these people at the mal today... they seemed so nice and welcoming to NYONE and welcomed me with opened arms.. it was tripy as.. I asked the lady if she was a nun as id never seen anyone like that before she said no im just modest...
I do think that we shouldn't judge or hold people to a standard that we have accepted, the only exception if there is abuse and only then should we judge and intervene.
At what point do people recognize that every one of these isolationist groups is only another cult society which will ruin all hopes for any true happiness that isn't dictated to them? It should be obvious, and painfully so, that man is not in charge of man, but responsible for his own actions... He leaves them all with the responsibilities of his actions and holds all the authority. This cannot end well.
You must be one of those Anti-Trump nut jobs. Trump has been doing an excellent job, but I'm sure that just makes you even less happy. People can think what they like is a perfectly legitimate position when you have crazy people making accusations at you, like in Trumps case, not so much in this guys case however. Anyway Go get your tinfoil has and watch some more CNN fake news!
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I left a cult as well. I didn’t know it was a cult. I was so blinded by my desire to serve God and be counted as his child. I am so thankful God opened my eyes to see where I was. I was there for 17 years , from my late 20’s till my mid 40’s. It caused me all kinds of anxiety and depression to be subject to that kind of pressure and to be told constantly you are not good enough, no matter what you do. The worse part was that those people became my support and my family and I truly care for them. None of them will speak to me now since I left. They thing I’m a traitor and I don’t even know what the leaders told the congregation about me and why I left. But I love God and I am still a Christian, I just would never let anyone oppress me again.
Thank God you got the hell out of there!
@Drod I didn't even think about that tbh lol!
Amen. Praise God that He opened your eyes. To God be the glory, and if any man save Jesus Christ demands it, we know the truth of our God!
I feel so bad for Phil I’m glad he was able to see through all that crap his father made up his pretty brave and I hope he is able to see and spend time with his grandson
So many different types of pain caused by Neville. Phil won't ever see any of his grandchildren that Dawn or Cherish have but on the other side of the coin Sandy won't really get to know any grandchildren from any of her other children either. Neville has a lot to answer for but he seemed to enjoy the destruction he wrought on a son that stood up to him
I feel so sorry for Phil, but I have so much admiration for him. He is a true hero for bringing this all to light.
it's suck that he only got 5 years people who get caught dealing drugs get more time and he molested his own son and only got 5 what is wrong with that EVERYTHING!!
+jeremy shields agree
Agree
He served just under two years in prison
It's New Zealand, prison sentences aren't harsh what so ever.
Hiding behind religion doctrine, and getting away with HORRIFIC crimes, it's fucking disgusting!
That's one pathetic mother, abandoning her children, to live in the cult. She's not afraid of god, she's afraid of death. She's one mother that would never die for her children, nor live for them, thus not a mother at all. I pity her, she's a sad, hollow person, no loss for those kids, they deserve so much more.
I wouldn’t feel too much sympathy for her. She had a child after she went back and participated in keeping that child away from her father. She also told her children she wished they had never been born
I think he knows he is doing wrong to those people and children. He avoids answering the questions and says "let them think what they like!" Which is a defence mechanism and also a refusal to answer the questions, in other words he deflects the question to "them!" In saying "let them think etc etc..." Also when ever he is asked about a his behaviour he pretends to nearly cry, putting on some crocodile tears which are clearly forced. You'll notice his voice get high pitched and it has a "poor me!" Tone to it.
He is clearly narcissistic and psychopathic. This type of person believes in their own lies but also know fully that they are doing something wrong. In other words they know it's wrong and if they saw anyone else doing it they would be the first to say how wrong it it but because they see themselves as above everyone else, if they do it then that's ok because they are above the wrong!
This is why he can't give answers that are straight forward because he is aware that the act is wrong but his defence of poor me is his narcissistic self belief of "I mean well so I'm doing something good, it's awful that you accuse me of these wrong doings!!!"
He is one fruit loop!
Yup, his actions will be accounted for one day. I guarantee you God is not happy at all with that old wolf.
Jo Mormont Judging the actions of others is a normal, natural and necessary function of every thinking person. However, one can only directly PASS judgement on those whom one has direct or indirect authority over.
Now that you have MISJUDGED a superior, you too will be judged by one of your subordinates.
As you have sown, so you are ALEADY reaping. You cannot say that you were never warned insolent transvestite (I conditionally apologize if you have never worn men's clothing like jeans).
Reverend Eslam Now that you are clearly trolling, please keep your spams to yourself.
Jo Mormont Now that you are clearly a LOOSE WOMAN, please go and serve your masters like a good wife and daughter.
The consequences for disobeying one's superiors can be VERY severe.
Reverend Eslam Get behind me Satan.
"highly profitable business" and "work hard to serve God" should never be heard together.
The fact that he only got five years.
Oliver 😡😡😡
Don't worry, God Almighty gives more. :)
It was less than that in the end. Good behaviour. He was in control of the cult that whole time. He is dead now anyway
Wait, what?? 3 counts of assault and only got a 5 year sentence??? WT-actual-F?!?!
I think NZ is like Europe, where they tend to give much lighter sentences for most crimes than does "barbaric" America. (However, many European countries are much tougher on politically disapproved speech than we are!)
its same in the usa
Only 3 counts is already crazy. That man has countless amounts of child abuse and sexual assault
The worst bit is that it was Sandy own sister that was the victim
I wonder if Sandy has any idea how many people see her as sick, shes being lead by pure evil. phills face lit up when he saw his grandson, im sure he cried when the cameras left.
I noticed that too. So sad.
lubabe69 let's not forget, no matter how much of a victim Phill is, he kidnapped a grown woman, and forced her to leave her home against her will, which is a crime, and a violation of human rights.
@@laurawalker9773 he was trying to save her.
@@laurawalker9773 He was trying to save his wife! How is that wrong? She was too brainwashed to see the truth at that point. After, when she chose to go back, he didn't stop her.
@@laurawalker9773 He was saving her! They were escaping the cult together!
All these people do not read their bible. If they Did, they wouldn't believe everything they are told.
Georgina Davies All religions are cults.
Cult leaders prey on trust and the innocent. They TWIST the Bible to fit their beliefs. The cult leader where I was knew things--conversations hours away. She just seemed to have that ability--yet I was reminded after I and a friend escaped in Jan. 2010, that the devil also has certain kinds of knowledge like that. My friend and I caught the cult leader lying and not giving people their property back. That was all after 13 years or so had gone by. Then it's like the mask came off and she became MEAN and HATEFUL. And threatening. Our lives had become endangered.
@Shell m
May you prove your "Fact" claims? Thank you. :)
where in the bible does it say not to do any of this? 🤔
@Shell m
1 Corinthians 6:18 Says otherwise. 🙂
While all these people work hard for their god..... The old geezer is laughing all the way to the bank!!!
Apart from the fact that he didn't seem very peaceful and happy.
Hayley Fyn But I think unlike many cults in this case no one is salting away profits and most people are happy.
I get giving kids chores and responsibility but if you're making money off it then it's child labour.
I escaped a different cult in 2010. It was based on fear, control, threats and lies. The fear was the main reason I stayed. Was there 17 years. The cult leader got cancer and died about a year and a half after I and another woman escaped.
What cult if you don't mind me asking?
I was thinking the same thing
This man should NOT be allowed contact with children. Period!!
I'd call him the down under Warren Jeffs, but Jeffs is in prison for life without the possibility of parole for the exact same crimes. paedophilia is still a crime, regardless of religious beliefs.
Yes. I understand that the criminal justice system is much more lax in certain other countries. But why can’t they see that abusing children has horrific ripple affects that last generations? Those are the crimes that should merit the longest sentences, along with murder.
Those kids ARE being exploited. Isn't there anything that can be done?
+Genevieve Gallagher The worst part is, without income, they posess NOTHING, making leaving all that much harder. All they have is each other and hard work.
Genevieve Gallagher
Not in a liberal hell like Australia.
Genevieve Gallagher they are not in n
Australia, but in New Zealand
Genevieve Gallagher that's a slippery slope taking away parental rights....
What? No it's not. Kids get removed from their parents all the time for parental abuse. You don't have the "parental right" to abuse or neglect your children. And forcing these children into slave labor and denying them a childhood is abuse. Not to mention all the other things like sexual abuse being accused.
all these cults have the same MO. isolate and control
I think that's the number one point of a cult. They don't allow exposure from outside.
+Christine Jillian Totalmente cierto
Control & isolation are always hallmarks of abusive relationships; be it only 2 people or 2,000+.
And sexual perverts
Well yes that is what a cult is, dah. Group Controlled by one person, and isolated usually in the name of religion. Their financially freedom is controlled by one leader as is everything else.
Well; this could all be fine and dandy if they only lived as pure christians! No sex-abuse, no inbread , no cutting off the poor people who wants to leave, and keeping sex among adults were it belongs and having a free will of their own instead of listening to a dangerous perverted leader . But it NEVER works out in cults does it...
Petra Nyman yeah true. I'm a Christian myself. But could never join this. I'd be forced to get married and pump out kids constantly. Plus, I would have no decisions, it would be man decisions, not God's
I agree with you. If the WEIRD pedophilia wasn't there this would be an ideal world.
Felicity Ray Self except it’s some weird Protestantism, which isn’t true Christianity. They need to be traditionalist Catholic.
It never works out in fundamentalist religious groups period. All have super high rates of domestic violence, sexual assaults and child abuse of all kinds.
It stems from severe gender constructs that place men above women (and thereby take away their autonomy over their lives and their bodies) and combine an obsession with sex with strict sexual repression.
If you grow up in one of these cults, your life is almost sealed to remain in that lifestyle till you die. You will believe that it's "God's will" and allow yourself to be controlled by others. A cult leader will live your life for you. I should know. I was part of such a cult. I managed to break from it but my wife deserted me and remained there. She died of cancer only 3 years after deserting me. Karma has a way of repaying people who do such evil things.
Im sorry for your pain and loss.
Good God I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine how terrible that must have been. I hope that you are still finding some peace out of that cult that took her in.
SnoopyDoo hey sorry for your loss. I left most of my family behind in one of these cults too. I left as a teenager
i am so sorry for your loss may she have peace in heaven bless you for your love and strength
Left her own children? Good heavens, people are so blind!
-Why does she stay there?
-Shes brain washed.
That was devastating.
2:20
In my cult, the children will have to wear silly hats.
How could she not see her husband was protecting her? How could she submit her daughters to the horrendous crimes they are/she submitted them to?
I'd really like to know how this one young man found the sanity to not let himself be controlled by cult leader, his own father. Maybe it was the gross invention of the sexual assault that he knew in his heart was wrong?
Thank the Lord he had the courage to break away & keep his wits about him to go on! I pray the Lord keeps him well. Hopefully others will follow. Nobody deserves to be controlled like that. Nobody.
It was Clive and his wife who showed Phil what real love is. Clive was a business contact and he took Phil under his wing. He also spent so much time outside of the cult (due to the cult needing to interact to get money) that he learned how real relationships should operate. Not the way Neville thought they should
I am living a life my like Phil Cooper including never seeing my grandsons nor granddaughters. My distance from them is due to brainwashing of a religious nature. I feel a connection to Phil's situation that I didnt know existed here on here. Blessings to Phil.
I know this message is from many years back but why don't you guys Sue use the state laws to get options to get your grandchildren and be with your grandchildren outside of their control sue the pants off the little buggers for all the money that they're taking from the children and all their taking out of their lives somebody's got to take control what has happened since 2008 to this cult it's sad very sad
The depression in all their eyes is heartbreaking
Who's buying there goods in U.S. and flying that so called airline. Needs to stop.
It is an enterprise.
Yes, just asked the same. They state they export goods to USA,. I would like to know so I can boycott and spread the word. Please post in a single comment if anyone out there knows. Thanks. Just utterly disgusting!
I've always thought that living in a community away from tv, and social media would be so awesome. Everyone could follow whatever religion, if any, they wanted. It would just be living a simpler life. No cult or brainwashing, just people living together, no matter race, religion or sexual orientation, accepting everyone unconditionally. It will never happen, but it's nice to dream about.
Like Jonestown. That’s what lured them there.
What the hell are these people going to do when their leader dies?
Like most cults, including the one I used to belong to, they always choose someone in advance to be the next leader in line.
3:53 you can take Santa away from the kids, I mean that's wrong enough, but you've crossed a line when you take away the backboard to their basketball hoop. What kind of sick man are they dealing with!??
😂😂 right! Pure evilness.
LOL it's a netball hoop.
this is disgusting to watch.
Yet....you watched.
Neville changed his name to Hopeful Christian. He died a few years ago.
In the last couple of years, a lot of people have fled Gloriavale, with all sorts of allegations. There is now nearly 600 cult members.
i am the way and the light no one enters heaven except through the son.
Not that old devil.
Amen.
AMEN!!
He's putting this all in GOD'S name? Seriously, read the bible old man, this madness is forbidden…just the opposite. What seems to be going on is that he thinks that he is God. Twelve year olds are not women. The closest thing I did to that in SEVENTH GRADE was babysit for a couple of hours! I wonder what will happen when he dies in 10 years.
You put your finger on something I've started noticing......religious leaders turn bad when they replace being Christlike, with wanting to be like God. This was also satan's downfall.
@Dr Benway M.D he died in 2018 from what I have read
This is an eye opener 😢
Eerily similar to so many other "unique" cults worldwide. I knew Phil for a while in the years following his escape. Great guy and a straight shooter. I don't doubt his story for a minute, and sadly I can testify that the sort of complete denial and brainwashing that many of his indoctinated detractors exhibit is "sincere" as well. Sincerely misled. Good on you Phil and all the best.
2:22 the look on his face breaks my heart
I wonder what happens to births that are effected, such as physical mental defect?
I don't even wanna know 😥
Kelly Kujawa Cat
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May God continue to smile upon this wonderful community.
How do people get involved in a cult like this? It must start slow enough that they don't realize how crazy the beliefs are, then they get brainwashed into staying.
Most of them are born there so know no different. Indoctrination from birth. Those that do join are just looking for a world where every need is taken care of. No money worries, a roof over your head and lots of family. For someone who is desperate for those sorts of things it can be very easy to be pulled in
Silly hats - the true way of salvation.
Like a real life Handmaids Tale.....horrific!
I can’t watch this. We ARE eternal beings and it’s so sad that so many of us have forgotten and it’s even sadder that there are those who will prey upon that forgetfulness.
"I alone can fix it." Those poor people. I said it over and over; ignorance is not bliss. He's convinced them they would be abandoning God if they left him, or letting God down if they don't follow his instructions.
Reporter: "And from a very early age, the indoctrination begins." Reporter, asking 'indoctrinated' children: "Have you kids ever heard of Santa Claus?"
Oh the irony.
They looks so depressed singing
thanks so much for this expose!
God is with you always , I'm 100% walking away from your husband . let no man seperate what God has joined together .
the husband and wife are now one .
pray Josh
I kinda used to be in a cult I believe. I left when they told be to break all ties with my loved ones.
Ew, they're almost all related to each other in any way. What a genetic nightmare!
"These children are not going to go on the dole. We will find work for them, and if they can't work for some reason, we will look after them."
...Well a stopped clock is right twice a day I guess.
These type of communities would never exist without the foundation of moderate Christians.
*what about the biggest cult of all:*
*Society*
It's all about the money, power, and control this sick man wants!
No comment god got this in every one who thinks they going to keep this up god have mercy on them
“It’s a tremendous hold this place has on people”
“Not this place...God”
She's wrong. Their idea of God is wrong. God never said ignore your family if they don't believe the same. He says love your enemies. This cult doesn't even know the true God.
not sure if ol' Nev is dead, but if he isn't, life term please
They aren't missing anything with no santa and all the comercialización Lol
That's true. I found myself agreeing with some of their statements. I realize it's a cult and very unhealthy in many ways, but some of the things the documentary talks about isn't wrong!
@@FatalFinality children seeing parents have sex....children getting married and working all their lives for zero pay....having some creepster telling you what to do and when to do it. Insane.
@@emilywilson3469 I said it's a cult and very unhealthy in many ways. I didn't think I had to explain which ways it was unhealthy. Thank you for highlighting what I meant by my comment.
Its not about santa its a million other things that are wrong with this place and shame on their government for not protecting thier children
@@FatalFinality I understand where you are coming from
Amazing how they are so brainwashed.
When will humans stop allowing narrissic manipulative men control their life?
wtf? how does someone not realize they're in a cult!!
You should ask that one of every person on earth that belongs to any religion, or has any religious beliefs.
If they ever leave, they WILL be on "the dole," though. They have no degrees and no outside work experience, which will leave them vulnerable to exploitation by employers.
Its tough to judge this , the news media makes so many mistakes in their reporting . True Christianity should go out beyond the church doors or property , not kept bottled up . I like the way they keep themselves unspotted from the worldly sins . Could I do that ?? No . got to get out amongst the wolves , and share the gospel .
This comes to my mind: "My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one." John 17: 15
+Tom Lestar it's keep them from the evil.
The ideal translation is legitimately debatable.
How do you know that the media has made mistakes in their reporting?
So when he dies. Who takes over or will the whole thing collapse?
She thinks that living a certain way will be her salvation. But the bible states clearly that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone. Not by works lest any man should boast.
This is ‘works salvation’ and that saves no one.
_"They will not go on the dole, and if they can not work for some reason we'll look after them..."_ 0_o
That not the dole!
What point are you trying to make. What about that isn't true.. If they look after them that isn't the dole, by definition the dole is from the government. He is trying to say they don't take government handouts.
If it weren't for the sexual abuse this lifestyle wouldn't be so bad. The problem is that a lot of times the leaders of these groups are disgusting perverts. If he genuinely loved the lord and wanted to help people to live a life that is pleasing to God it would be a wonderful place to live. As for the children working at a young age this was commonly practiced in biblical times. Young boys would work very closely with their fathers and young girls with their mothers. This bonds families together and teach children responsibility. We need more of this mentality today. I do agree with a lifestyle void of worldly distractions and absent of pagan practices. Such as Easter, Christmas, Halloween etc.
If people willingly lived this way the world would be perfect. But human nature wont allow that.
Ummm...Do they not have Child Labor Laws, there??! And this man could have gotten an attorney in order to see his kids!!
You can teach responsibility, and compensate.
this is so so sad :(
I lost brain cells from watching this
It is events like these that convince me the idea of a all powerful god is a myth.There is no freaking way a god with the power to stop this abuse will let it go on! If he does he is evil!! Don't give me that "he will get you in the end" BS or that the child will be rewarded in heaven. There is no way a god is sitting by and letting this happen unless he is not all powerful.
Wow Phil I am so sorry for you not to know your beautiful grandchildren.we have three and one more due any day.we love spending time with our grandson.they are so cute and wonderful to spend time with ..
Our two boys are a mess and a half.and we go to church and do not need to be quartered off from everyone to have eternal life.bc Christ died for all of our sins....
he's crazy, he likes control
This group doesn't come off as bad as they'd like them to. The leader is a grotesque piece of shit without doubt, he is creepy and should still be in jail, but I think it's obvious they're trying to make everyone else seem far worse than they are. I think they were expecting a place rife with the expected abuse of a Jonestown style cult but they didn't get that, so they're trying to twist as much as they can with what little they had. My greatest sympathy to the leaders abused son.
2019, I pray he is gone and these Men and Women learned the TRUTH. Poor Son, he tried, true hero. Grabs my heart! Why??!!
Sandy has that tone of voice people get when the just cannot bear to admit they might have been wrong. And it's costing them dearly, but their ego is the only thing they are serving.
I don’t understand why they say kids are been exploited because they are working and are aren’t they eating from what they produce? I don’t agree with sexual abuse he will give count to God for his actions but the working don’t see anything wrong to teach kids the value of work.
I agree that kids should learn the value of work. But the work these kids are doing is not something like helping in the household. It is actual work that makes money and who do you think gets this money? One hint: it's not the children.
When kids are worked all day (for money they do not get) and it's done instead of the kids getting a proper education, that is not teaching the value of work; It's exploitation of their labor and control over their future.
It's that he's making money off it. Chores are one thing but doing jobs that you would pay an adult for for your own profit is another.
There’s this thing called child labor and it’s illegal. His using them as slaves. That is not the same as basic house chores.
@@Angel-ts8rc do not agree with that either. Unfortunately there is always 2 extremes and neither one is good.
This guy's a Sicko
This is where faith leads.
Teaching them responsibility at young age is good but making them marry at 13 is absolutely wrong
The cult was based on bible no? The man believed he's doing a job from God, right? Then why is there no Christmas?
Christine Jillian Christmas was something the idol worshippers created centuries ago.. so the Christians could participate in their idol worship by putting "Christ" into it. It's pagan. Jesus had nothing to do with pine trees and presents under a tree and mistletoe.he likely wasn't even born in December as apparently shepherds don't go out that time (Winter)
oh i see
The origins of Christmas comes from Ancient Babylonian pagan celebration of Nimrod. From the tree, to the Yule logs, the lights and the mistletoe to the giving of gifts etc..... Have a conversation with a Pastor or Minister and ask them about these rituals that their Church partake in. Then watch them get angry and give you all the excuses under the sun that they are celebrating the birth of our Messiah. The truth certainty does divide the wheat from the tares. The truth that some Christians too can't handle.
It's been said countless times but this just goes to show that Christianity is truly used for control.
Your profile pic shows your stupidity
First of all man, this is not Christianity. Second of all you are absolutely right that people do control others with the facade of using Christianity or many many other beliefs/religions as their way to get away with it.
The people who do that are pure evil. Yet there are plenty who do not do this.
So again, that does not mean that ALL are like that old geezer. Don't use evil people as an excuse to say that God can't be real or whatever you may be implying. You are still held accountable for your life and your actions.
Jo Mormont
Oh don't worry! I'm not letting these types of people affect my lack of belief of a god or gods. All I need to believe in that is just some actual proof and evidence.
JerseyKac92 Well I see where you are coming from and I understand, cuz I was the same way; however it is inherently a problem to require proof when God asks for faith.
Blessed are they that believe than those who know with proof. But I wish you good luck on all that either way.
Jo Mormont Thank you, to each their own. I'm just the type of person who will always need proof and evidence before believing any extraordinary claims.
What makes this brave son awake versus everyone else so horribly brainwashed? So terribly disturbing.
And the government doesn't do shit about it
So sad especially when there is no god and especially when it is almost impossible to undo brainwashing.
Miriam Spillane
Where is your proof there is no God?
Where is your proof there is a God?
jeferson golem BOOM! 👌🏻
Miriam Spillane
God (Who is alive and well) gave us His Word (the Bible) as His love letter to us and His instruction manual to all mankind. He didn't just create man and then leave him to flounder around wondering how life should be lived. God put in His Word His laws, testimonies, precepts, commandments, judgments, statutes, rules, guidelines, ways, and boundaries. He has done this out of love to protect and guide us. His word says:
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." (Psalm 14:1)
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good." (Psalm 53:1)
"But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 10:33)
God has given you a free will, and you can use that free will to hard-heartedly shake your fist and say, "There is no God." Or, you can use your free will to seek Him.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (Matthew 6:33)
"Seek ye the Lord while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteousness man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon." (Isaiah 55:6-7)
@Monica Beal every religion has evil members who don't abide by chastity. Not just a few Catholic priests and cult leaders. reformation.com
I wonder what happened to him in prison?? Lol
Oh god lol
Considering he is clearly gay, Prison was probably a good time for the old man..
This cult remind me of a smaller scale jehovah's witness. If the watchtower can keep all their believers in a remote area without contact with the outside world, they would!
i feel like most religious extremists are so caught up in the preparation for eternal life that they forget to live their own current one
they sound like j dubs, they are told to shun there families
sean sullivan No they are not they dont shun you. if you get dis fellowshipped then you get it you just cant talk to other j dubs. at all. can talk to your parents. but not any other Jehovah
Huriana Marie Phillips Neal you do not know what you are talking about
And shunning people is not something every church does only some jehovahs do this and shun the there desfellowshipped children. Most are old and stuck in there ways from the past.
Huriana Marie Phillips Neal nonsense its policy
Maybe policy in this case of Gloriavale. Not in all churches is it policy not all churches follow the same rules and abide by them
Anyone give their kids chores to do?
CHILD SLAVERY!
A bit extreme the reporting here, jeez.
It annoys me how 'one-sided' journalism can be!! Why won't they show both sides?!
Chores would be when parents assign it to children. When the products of children labor gets exported and the profits go somewhere else, it should warrant investigation.
Are u a member of this cult? Lol
Chores aren't meant to be more than 20 minutes out of the whole day. These kids work for hours, literally hours and receive no pocket money. One woman was arrested for killing her step son and part of getting her convicted was neighbors saying the boy did chores from sun up to sun down. That is abuse.
blobbles78 I have no problems with the chores. They are learning useful skills. Better thant than 3 hours of TV/video games and none of those children looks ill, mal nourished, poorly. They look fit as a fiddle and happy and well.
I am impressed by the son's remarks at the end. When was this recorded?
i met these people at the mal today... they seemed so nice and welcoming to NYONE and welcomed me with opened arms.. it was tripy as.. I asked the lady if she was a nun as id never seen anyone like that before she said no im just modest...
I hate those cults.... :(
I do think that we shouldn't judge or hold people to a standard that we have accepted, the only exception if there is abuse and only then should we judge and intervene.
At what point do people recognize that every one of these isolationist groups is only another cult society which will ruin all hopes for any true happiness that isn't dictated to them? It should be obvious, and painfully so, that man is not in charge of man, but responsible for his own actions... He leaves them all with the responsibilities of his actions and holds all the authority. This cannot end well.
If this doesn't show that christianity is evil then I really don't know what does.
Here in America we have granparents rights, seems this poor man could get rights to see his grand children.
When he says "People can think what they like!" he sounds exactly like entertainer-in-chief Trump throwing a hissy fit.
You must be one of those Anti-Trump nut jobs. Trump has been doing an excellent job, but I'm sure that just makes you even less happy. People can think what they like is a perfectly legitimate position when you have crazy people making accusations at you, like in Trumps case, not so much in this guys case however. Anyway Go get your tinfoil has and watch some more CNN fake news!
- so it's almost 2019, what ever happened to these people?
IT is simple... He "invited" demon in to his soul and body and now he is the best servant