My ss5000 has this engine. It's been reliable and provides plenty of power for cutting tall thick grass. Maintenance has been easy. Like all big air cooled engines adjust the valves at the specified intervals. If you have trouble starting the engine have the battery checked as it can loose cranking power even though it says 12v. I'd say the battery cables could be a size bigger due to the drawl of turning the powerful engine. Always turn the engine off at higher speed to prevent backfires. There is an excellent shop manual pdf of the engine that was published by exmark.
DON'T knock it till you try it, I have a 2016 s.w. 4200 Toro mower bought brand new. Going on 8yrs. old , NOT one issue. Mow our lawn and 4 --5 other neighbors lawns every week I help older neighbors that can't do there's. Love being on it and being free . As they say me and the machine ! Payed $2,500.00 for it brand new, a he'll of a machine for the money, just saying. Peace out ,be blessed.
In 2021, I purchased a Toro Timecutter 54 inch with the 24.5 hp Toro v-twin engine, the same engine in this video. I cut a field with it. And I mean "a field". It takes 16 to 18 hours per week to cut it all. ZERO problems. Before I purchased this Toro, I looked at Skag, John Deere, Cub Cadet, Bad Boy, Husqvarna, ExMark, and Dixie Chopper. This is simply the most-comfortable zero-turn mower ever. I had a 15k budget for a new mower. What was and is important to me is quality, and comfort. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. But I would put this 4k mower against a 15k mower any day of the week. I cut grass at least six months per year, at 16 to 18 hours per week. I am close to 400 hours of hard use with this mower, and no problems-period. I will probably wear the tires off this mower in a couple more years. I'm not saying that you can't buy a good mower in the other brands, because you can. BUT, NONE of them can compete with the ride quality of the 54 inch Timecutter. My $0.02 cents worth.
This engine is a beast! Starts every time and runs smoothly. If you cut a lot of grass try the Oregon g3 gator blades, they dont cut nearly as clean but they cut more grass without bogging down and are significantly thicker and tougher. The g5 and g6 are wayyy to big for the time cutter spindles, had no problems with the g3
I've owned and operated my V-twin for more than 3 years now and it runs and cuts like new. I know there are a lot of people who think steel is always better (try selling that to Kevlar) but I will say I'm happy about my nylon cam gear. It's incredibly smooth with no sign of ever needing adjusted or replaced. Awesome product Toro, really just an amazing machine all around!!
Haha cam gears never need adjustment, they reason people are butt hurt over the nylon cams is because of the problems they have caused over the years, I'm not saying Loncin ( the Chinese manufacturer) doesn't have it all figured out. Time will tell, I get about 2500 hours out of the motors they copied. After that I rebuild them and keep on abusing them. But I digress, this motor would not hold up in a commercial environment.
@@MacGyver-1yeah that's bullshit. You're not getting $2,500 hours of any small engine, whatever brand it is. Also, nylon gears have been used in so many modern engines, there are no problems with them. I don't believe you rebuild anything, I can tell just by the way you talk
@@carlosrobles2048Think what you want, the truth is the truth. Just about every motor that used plastic cam gears have problems come up. Look up Kawasaki cam upgrades that are one piece steel instead of plastic cam gears moulded on a steel cam shaft. Kohler bucket motors often had teeth break off the plastic cam gears if the cylinder didn't break off the block first, and yes I rebuild a lot of motors mostly twins off commercial mowers that I buy at auction and sell locally, Kawasaki fx, fd, fr series, Kohler command, command pro EFI, even some old magnum K series and KT series. Golf cart engines, Yamaha, and Kawasaki FE series. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.... Oh even Onan has issues with plastic on their cam gears, but it wasn't gears it was the the fingers for the ball and cup governor on the performer series engines, I've rebuilt them to in applications where replacement wasn't an option such as in two cases both welder generators
Some of the comments were brutal, but this toro engine is well worth the price. I bought a SW toro zero turn mower in 2016. It has the same motor that's in this video. It will backfire when you turn it off unless you run it wide open just before shutting it off. You won't hurt the motor running it wide open before shutting down, the governor keeps it from overrevving. I have had this mower for six years and zero problems with the motor. I change the oil each season, sharpen the blades and add stabilizer in the fall to the gas. I replaced the battery last year. I did not like the idea of having a Chinese motor on the mower and did not know it until after I had brought it home and used it. Toro has a good reputation and I bought it because they stand behind their product. It still runs like a new one, I have no issues at this time.
Use the synthetic oil that is provided with the warranty kit that you can purchase for additional warranty, and follow service interval guidelines, this motor will last a long time.
Awesome overview! I love the tear down and explanation! when purchasing an expensive item it's nice to see the inner workings explained. That has a lot of value for the customer. Especially in a mower like this because it's not well known like Automotive Motors.
@@MacGyver-1 that is very incorrect. This motor is made by the same company that makes BMW performance motors. It's an excellent motor and more powerful than expensive models\ brands. Also a modern design compared to a lot of the old Briggs, Kohler and Kawasakis. Also the twin carb is nice.
@@ArcolaBridge Loncin will make any motor to any price point, plastic cam gear?? Fail, also I would love to know what makes this engine modern. This a a knock off of the Kawasaki fh series engines. There is nothing inside that engine that makes it any more modern than the motor it copied. I'm not sure what your qualifications are but I rebuild about 10 engines a year. Reasons for rebuild are usually neglect with the occasional factory defect gone untreated. Normal use engines of this configuration ( air cooled v-twin) see about 3000 to 4000 hrs of use if properly maintained. In fact I will predict the most common premature failure of this motor will be burnt valves due to improperly adjusted valve lash. Just like on the the Kawasaki FH. But I digress. Please tell me what makes this motor so modern... PS, you will never see this motor on a commercial mower. Toro had Loncin make this motor to complete in price for the consumer grade zero turn market, this is a very competitive market and everything is designed to meet a price point. The manufacturer wants these units to ideally last 8 years at which point they want the customer to buy a new one. So once again you will never see this motor on a $10k toro mower. Those commercial units will have either. A Kohler command carb or efi , or a Kawasaki FX carb or EFI. Toro knows better than
@@MacGyver-1 I will take just about any engine over a Kohler command. Those pieces of shit are only good for blowing head gaskets. Time and time again. Also since you want to act like you know what you're talking about, I've seen more Kawasakis then Toro engines in my shop, complete with Dropped valve seats and burnt valves.
the nylon cam gear is not a big deal. my father was a diesel mechanic and he said they had tractor trailer engines with nylon gears with hundreds of thousands of miles on them and they didnt have issues. like everyone on here i would prefer metal but nylon isnt necessarily a problem. i hope this engine withstands the test of time and becomes a legend
Garage, really, we fought wars in Korea and V-N fighting communism, thousands of US soldiers killed and wounded and now, to save a few bucks, deny US workers a job, you hope this commie made engine becomes a legend??? :( F-Toro!!
@@Jay_Hall we have been at war with britian, germany, france, italy, japan, and many other countries, should we refrain from buying from them as well? toro is an american company that gets some of its parts from china like almost everyone else does. do you think ford, chevy, and chrylser dont get some of their parts from chinese based companies? most of the stuff you buy can be traced back to china. ever shop at walmart?
@@EnthusiastsGarage Garage, Right, Toro is a USA company, and must support the USA worker, this is just common sense! Kawasaki motors are made in the USA, so are Kohler and B&S, ,,,but Toro must run to China? I will never buy a Toro, and hope other Americans do likewise! I will support the USA worker, many of whom are Veterans. Buy American.
@@Jay_Hall don't you mean "assembled" in the USA with imported parts? Besides when the hell has being "built in the USA" been a good thing? China has some of the highest quality standards in the world.
We shall see just bought a brand new 2021 54”time cutter mowing it’s first yard tomorrow I like the design of the my ride “AKA” a recliner on your zero turn and all the simple features very solid mower and I’ve owned a bunch of name brands I have high hopes of this intake and 2 barrel carb along with the internals with a 3 year unlimited hour warranty all for 4 thousand cash not bad
Trying to determine if I'm going to drive an hour to get the one I want with the MyRide. There's a serious shortage going on around these parts. I couldn't even take advantage of the $200 off special because no dealers seemed to have the models I was interested in.
I ended up getting mine. Only two issues is the platform rubs on one side near the feet rest when pushed over (while holding the seat). Sawn one at Home Depot with the same problem. Second is the deck wash hose attachment broke the on the first use. Other than those two things I've been loving it. No stress on the back over bumps.
5 bolt heads and large head gaskets equal reliable sealing. Oiling system pressurizing the crankshaft first equal reliable bearings. Two barrel carburetor equals reliable cylinder filling. Ease of service equals happy customers. Nice work there, Toro
Texas Edge, oh yeah that motor is a serious contender. God damn excellence is what is it is, and by and large due to that nylon cam gear that so many think is cheap junk. They (the critics) cry and moan about a gear that never shows up as cause of engine failure, and swear they'll stick with their Kawis that uses heavy steel for the same gear- meanwhile they can't understand why their Kawis' valves need adjusted every 150 hrs or so, due to the excess vibration strain caused by their coveted steel cam gears, lol. Sorry, didn't mean to rant, and yeah totally agree- Love this little monster of a bad-ass mower engine!!!!!!!
@@nexushexus4365 dude get real....you can't even buy a shit 4stroke small engine anymore. even the crappy harbor frt predators are solid as a rock and WAY better then any thing made 20yrs ago
@@crabtrap This is true. I wouldnt worry much about any motor at this point if you just take care of it. I have a kawasaki and a toro motor. I love them both.
I own one and it has a 3 year warranty on the engine but I can't get them to do any thing to it . It back fires and they won't fix it I took it to the dealer for the back firing and all they do to it is what they can charge me for.
@@tonyjohnson1068 The best way to stop the backfire is run the engine wide open then turn the ignition off. I've had that engine for 6 years and so far, no problems other than the backfiring.
Great design! However, out of all the engines, I will ALWAYS prefer the Kawasaki engines for every mower i get. They are amazing quality, and last forever!!
got a new mower with this engine. the last one had the kohler. kohler mowed my 1 acre on about two and a half gallons of gas. this one can mow it twice with almost a gallon of gas left. more power and faster mow time
Looked at a Toro with a V-twin engine last fall, liked the look & specs of the machine but didn't buy. Went out the other day to purchase (year end clearance) but dealer was closed even tho their website said OPEN. Glad they were after reading comments about the engine. Also another site had comments about new machines not starting at the dealers and had to be exchanged before loading to take home. Too many negative comments about this engine, would prefer the Kawasaki. Will continue looking...maybe Cub Cadet??
Hope you didn't buy a Cub Cadet, They are a highest level of junk. I had one years ago got rid of it after 2 months. I was getting stuck I live in Florida we have sandy soils. I got the Toro commercial my ride, Nice mower. but hate the Toro engine.
Reason is kawi is a major motor maker of engines, race bikes etc.. some things are short comming on a kawi such as the niceties air filter etc.. proof is in the pudding,.
I have heard good things about Toro engines.. however, I will still prefer the Kawasaki!! Why risk it with the new toro .. just like any other thing it will need an update after another
Don't listen to all of the critics Armando. This V-Twin will outperform and outlast your Kawi I believe. From my experience those loud archaic Kawi steel cams will need adjusted in due time. This baby is as smooth as a freshly washed butt. It's Toro for the win! :)
Has anyone ever encountered a problem where the heat from the engine is melting the Jacket of both throttle and choke cables? I am also wondering if the cables were routed wrong from the factory???
Solomon, I've heard that all the pro stock cars use nylon cam shaft gears, and that they run smoother with less drag. Perhaps they've come further along since 30 years ago in technology. Fiber reinforced, etc. Then again, I own this engine so I may be just telling myself it will be fine : )
@@rickcox1843 do you honestly think with all that fine milling work they are 'skimping' with one nylon gear??? i'm confident that nylon gear has extreme advantage. i remember when people said this about Glock pistols "a plastic gun...no thanks!"
@@crabtrap You do realize there are both plastic and rubber parts on nuclear warheads, tanks, bulldozers etc. Your all-metal parts will rust the first time your stuff gets rained on or the air conditioning in your house breaks. Your metal gears will also likely need more maintenance and will still not outlast some of these quality renovations. You sound a lot like Frankenstein's monster- "Plastic bad! Nylon bad!" lol. :)
@@rickcox1843 again this manifold is aluminum.....does that rust alot??? could they have built it out of carbon fiber??? yup! necessary? NOPE! also turns out, they use aluminum stuff on warheads and tanks too! go figure! PS this engine has a nylon timing gear with i have zero prob with
@@crabtrap Just as I have no problem with the nylon cam shaft gear. Works perfect and will last longer than most of the metal gears from what I can tell. As for the aluminum manifold, I agree that material works well for its purpose, just as the nylon cam shaft gear works well for its purpose. Show me one complaint wear the nylon cam shaft gear has failed. If not then why do you pursue the argument that the gear is weak?
What is the difference between the two Toro V-Twin engine options? There is a 24.5HP Commercial V-Twin and a 22.4HP V-Twin. Both are listed at 708cc despite the HP differences. The 24.5HP cost a whopping $800 more. I can find no literature specifying the differences between these two engines.
If bore and stoke are the same. Carb/Cam =More air and fuel =More hp/tq. Need to check p/n's for the cam if the same. Then it's all carb and you can buy the carb and have more hp/tq. But you will burn more fuel for what? I can see it if you need more hp/tq. if you are having trouble in tall grass. God bless and stay safe.
The carburetor for the 22.5 and the 24.5 I believe are the exact same part number. It might be a cam difference I'm not sure. It may also be a different part in the carburetor. I'm curious as well as I'd like to find the part to turn my 22.5 into the 24.5.
I have a 2015 toro 50 in ss5000 with the 24hp toro motor have had nothing but trouble with it from the start.I can never get the motor to start had it to the shop 10 times they told me they were junk they get them in all the time.I wish I never bought this mower...
@@tonyjohnson1068 backfiring? Thats your issue??? Take back for wanntee or stop driving with choke on. Im on 2yrs zero prob with machine or the Lincon emgine
I love my 42inch time cutter. Can anyone help me out as far as why my time cutter only runs when the prime button is up. I've only had it for about 3 years.
I just got one from a friend who put a new motor on his time cutter. It has oil coming through one exhaust . Is it rings or valve??? It runs but when warm it loses power and backfires sometimes. Please help
Why two carbs instead of just fuel injecting it? Also, the "Toro" engine looks suspiciously like a B&S. Is it really? I would love to have heard you address the compression release system on the "Toro". Hope that is an improvement over the B&S Intek. The B&S compression release camshaft WILL let go grenading parts all over the inside of the crankcase. With luck no major damage, but highly unlikely. It is not a matter of IF but When. Thanks for your explanation of your new Toro engine.
Who cares about fuel injecting a 24 hp motor that runs at basically two speeds.. idle and full throttle. Is the small engine/ag community another one of those cancerous communities who will argue about anything?
@@cefb8923 - in my 2 weeks of being in the market for a mower and researching - yes. Like every other hobby interest - you definitely have your fanboys and snobs in the mowing community.
This video is 6 Years old now, Does anyone have any updates on the longevity of this motor? Curious about that "Composite" gear under heat and load over time. Has Toro backed their warranty with these motors?
I got one and I wish I would have bought a Toro with a Kawasaki engine. The Toro brand is made by Loncin Chinese company, mine back fires and the paper work says it has a warranty but I have yet to see it. When I take it back for warranty they only do what they can charge me for. In fact I will never buy another Toro. I have the commercial myride I only bought it for the seat. It's more comfortable than my big chair at the house. and has shock absorbers on it for comfort.
I ended up buying one and have about 20 hrs on mower and so far so good. Break-in oil change was a breeze and synthetic oil seems to help with fuel consumption. I'm not using mine for commercial use just a homeowner.
It doesn't mach up at all. It is a CHINESE made engine. They basically sourced a Chinese engine maker to make a "Toro" engine. In truth they put a Toro sticker on it.
Gilitar, fact is the Chinese flat out design and manufacture some stuff better. If this engine is Chinese, as you say, then hats off to the Chins for their innovative designs! Love that nylon gear- more efficient, quieter, smoother crank and less drag than conventional steel or brass. Love those over-sized piston rods too!
Where is your engine made? I know the Kohler is made in the USA, not sure about the Kawi? Also the Kohler has options that you are conveniently forgetting to show like a pre filter just like the Toro engine. Also the Kohler has a tool-less oil drain with a locking mechanism so if some pulls the oil drain like or it gets caught on a branch the oil won't run out of the engine all over your grass or driveway. The Toro oil drain is an open hose and will drain the oil sump! All Kohler and Kawai engines have cast iron sleeves in the cylinder. Again you kindly forgot to mention this. By you leaving out a lot of information on the Kawi and Kohler it feels like you are trying to trick people into thinking your engine is something great. Too bad you don't have real features that make a difference in the engine life and performance.
It would be virtually impossible to catch the drain hose on anything and drain the oil the way it is designed. Also, if you watch the whole video, at 5:18 he clearly shows the cast iron liner. I work part time for a lawn and garden dealer and we haven't had any major problems. They have been very reliable and the commercial guys love them.
I bought a 2020 titan with a 48 in deck. I have 3 questions that I would appreciate a logical answer from a Toro expert.. question 1. Why does a toro want to start the engine at full throttle,? 2 Why shut the engine down at full throttle? 3 why engage the blades at full throttle? I have never operated any piece of equipment this way. It goes against logic. You don’t operate any other piece of equipment this. Way. That I know of except a cheep push mower. If you operated your car/truck nothing would last very long.i have never owned a 0 turn mower but I have Chain saws, Blowers, string trimmers, small garden tractors.with small 2 cylinder engines and blades with electric clutches. Most engines need to warm up to get full lubrication. Looks like there will be a lot of extra wear on the engine, electric clutch and belt. As for shutting down the engine at full throttle I would think it better to let the engine idle a few min to cool down.
It will backfire bad if you shut it down at idle I have a toro 60 with the Kawasaki 24.5 hp motor and it specifically says to shut it down any full throttle and engage the blades at full throttle if u engage them at low throttle it jerks and jumps the belts
the cam shaft on the toro is plastic because they want it to break for more money, i can recommend Kohler but not Courage and 7000/6400/5400 series as both i have had serious problems with, Commands are the best i own 8 one has been good for 18 years its in a Toro Dingo 220 mini skid
I know the Kohler Courage has a bad rep but I have one with 450 hard hours on it and it is still a beast. I must be one of the lucky ones.I do change oil every 30 hours though. Still runs the original plugs.
@@retiresoon5639 would say about the same on my zero turn never changed oil but it just always leaks and for 21hp it bogs down on high grass unlike a 20hp v twin command
Agreed with Johnson on this one. Just to add, nylon cam gear??? Really!! that will be the weak point of that engine. Also, polymer intakes are a good thing. They avoid "heat soak", which robs engines (especially air cool engines) of torque causing less air to get into the engine. Metal intakes retain too much heat.
I have a timecutter with toros Loncine engine has hard start problem from new backfires and barely starts sometimes it will run battery almost flat to get it going it's been in shop had new carb no difference,got all new plugs oils filters had tank checked fuel pump checked.anyone have any ideas of what it could be?
When are you guys ever going to get around to putting electronic fuel injection on your engines for the regular Toro time cutters. It's ridiculous that we're still using carburetors.
LOL..without a problem..I don't think so.I had two plastic cam gears fail on me with two separate Chevy engines from the 60's and early 70's When the plastic would fail on the teeth those little aluminium nubs left would let the chain jump time.
anyone had any experience with the Toro v twin on the titan running rough? My 2019 has 30 hours and surges, acts like water in gas etc. I've drained tank, drained carb, added non ethanol gas, stabalizer etc to no avail. thanks
@@CurtisPittman48 I have not tore down that carb, but from your description it sounds like one of the jets is slightly plugged. If you choke it a little and it Smooths out, then it indicates its searching for gas.
@@raybonecrusher4516 I’ve had the carb apart and it looks clean as a pin. I also removed the metering valves and cleaned them. Runs great with blades engaged but surges all other times such as when pulling my aerator.
was looking for a vid with actual substance.....seriously, am I the only guy who doesn't give a dam about how easy the filter goes in/ out?????? seriously.....moving on.....
I did some research and the toro engine is made in China and the Kohler is made in the USA. The Kawasaki is made in Japan. Both the USA and Japan are known for making great engines. How ever China is known for making low quality engines.
I did my first oil change on my toro z master with the same engine with Donaldson air filter on it the nipple broke off when trying to pull off. I just put a smooth bolt on with a hose clamp to plug the oil drain hose. Bad design.
William, Kohler has been using nylon cam gears for over ten years- even in their commercial engines. I've heard that all the pro stock cars use them too. Cheaper they are, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are inferior- and especially when used with a governor set up for mowing lawns, meaning they don't see high rpms. Not to mention the technology has come a long way since the 70's when many of the car manufacturers starting using them. Today they have fiber reinforcement and other chemical attributes. Combine that with smoother crank and less drag, and I'd say the nylon gears will remain persistent in high performance engines for many years to come.
William Bissell, with all due respect, I never said that you called them "inferior". I simply made a statement that cheaper doesn't mean inferior. That gear could very well be made of nylon because nylon is superior to steel in certain circumstances- and not necessarily because it's cheaper. Hope that makes sense.
@@rickcox1843 if it was "cheaper" they would have just replaced that intake with rubber and saved$$ there dumb ass. i'm pretty sure they don't want their engines crapping out for a $3 part and getting a bad rep!
@@crabtrap crabtrap, I know this may be a leap of imagination for you, but you might realize that Kevlar can often be produced cheaper than steel- and that doesn't mean it's inferior to chain mail when it comes to stopping bullets from entering your body. The same can be said for hard drives, computer chips, parts, etc. Steel doesn't always mean better just because it may hold up better in a vice. But then again, you're not an engineer are you. If so I don't think I'll be buying your bullet proof vests. lol.
The oil drain hose, how stupid is that? Leave your machine unattended and an 8 year old child can drain your oil.Yay! Also if the hose comes loose from the nipple at the end dirt can get into the engine. Sorry but something as important as engine oil needs to be secured. Also since when is a wrench a "speciality tool"
The blue holders keep the hose in such a way it cant come undone. That is if you can keep your 8 year old away from it. I changed mine a couple weeks ago. Best oil change in my life.
Nylon!? Seriously!? Why must consumers that don't buy commercial grade equipment get absolute shit?! Plastic... Why not make the whole cam out nylon if its so great? I'll tell you why, because it's not great. Fucking Tupperware engine parts! What an abomination!
I was no longer interested in this motor as soon as I saw the nylon gears. Chevy did this in the 60s / 70's and those damn timing cam gears were done in with broke teeth before 100k miles. it was not worth a shit then and its not worth a shit now. Thanks for letting me see the cheap ass crap you are putting in your " commercial " motor. LMFAO. I'll stick with the Kawasaki
Agreed with Johnson on this one. Just to add, nylon cam gear??? Really!! that will be the weak point of that engine. Also, polymer intakes are a good thing. They avoid "heat soak", which robs engines (exapecially air cool engines) of torque causing less air to get into the engine.
Yes And no. You have forced air from the flywheel sys. You will have heat soak with a hot engine that's not running. And will go away once you are running it. Why it does not have the time to heat soak. That has been tested with auto ind. Plus i am sure did the r/d on that engine for that.
My ss5000 has this engine. It's been reliable and provides plenty of power for cutting tall thick grass. Maintenance has been easy. Like all big air cooled engines adjust the valves at the specified intervals.
If you have trouble starting the engine have the battery checked as it can loose cranking power even though it says 12v.
I'd say the battery cables could be a size bigger due to the drawl of turning the powerful engine.
Always turn the engine off at higher speed to prevent backfires.
There is an excellent shop manual pdf of the engine that was published by exmark.
DON'T knock it till you try it, I have a 2016 s.w. 4200 Toro mower bought brand new. Going on 8yrs. old , NOT one issue. Mow our lawn and 4 --5 other neighbors lawns every week I help older neighbors that can't do there's. Love being on it and being free . As they say me and the machine ! Payed $2,500.00 for it brand new, a he'll of a machine for the money, just saying. Peace out ,be blessed.
In 2021, I purchased a
Toro Timecutter 54 inch with the
24.5 hp Toro v-twin engine,
the same engine in this video.
I cut a field with it. And I mean "a field".
It takes 16 to 18 hours per week to cut it all.
ZERO problems.
Before I purchased this Toro,
I looked at Skag, John Deere, Cub Cadet, Bad Boy, Husqvarna, ExMark, and Dixie Chopper.
This is simply the most-comfortable
zero-turn mower ever.
I had a 15k budget for a new mower.
What was and is important to me is quality, and comfort.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion.
But I would put this 4k mower against a
15k mower any day of the week.
I cut grass at least six months per year,
at 16 to 18 hours per week.
I am close to 400 hours of hard use with this mower, and no problems-period.
I will probably wear the tires off this mower in a couple more years.
I'm not saying that you can't buy a good mower in the other brands,
because you can.
BUT, NONE of them can compete with the ride quality of the 54 inch Timecutter.
My $0.02 cents worth.
This engine is a beast! Starts every time and runs smoothly. If you cut a lot of grass try the Oregon g3 gator blades, they dont cut nearly as clean but they cut more grass without bogging down and are significantly thicker and tougher. The g5 and g6 are wayyy to big for the time cutter spindles, had no problems with the g3
mine runs so inconsistantly i am going to have to take it to a shop. ive tried everthing
I've owned and operated my V-twin for more than 3 years now and it runs and cuts like new. I know there are a lot of people who think steel is always better (try selling that to Kevlar) but I will say I'm happy about my nylon cam gear. It's incredibly smooth with no sign of ever needing adjusted or replaced. Awesome product Toro, really just an amazing machine all around!!
Haha cam gears never need adjustment, they reason people are butt hurt over the nylon cams is because of the problems they have caused over the years, I'm not saying Loncin ( the Chinese manufacturer) doesn't have it all figured out. Time will tell, I get about 2500 hours out of the motors they copied. After that I rebuild them and keep on abusing them. But I digress, this motor would not hold up in a commercial environment.
@@MacGyver-1yeah that's bullshit. You're not getting $2,500 hours of any small engine, whatever brand it is. Also, nylon gears have been used in so many modern engines, there are no problems with them. I don't believe you rebuild anything, I can tell just by the way you talk
@@carlosrobles2048Think what you want, the truth is the truth. Just about every motor that used plastic cam gears have problems come up. Look up Kawasaki cam upgrades that are one piece steel instead of plastic cam gears moulded on a steel cam shaft. Kohler bucket motors often had teeth break off the plastic cam gears if the cylinder didn't break off the block first, and yes I rebuild a lot of motors mostly twins off commercial mowers that I buy at auction and sell locally, Kawasaki fx, fd, fr series, Kohler command, command pro EFI, even some old magnum K series and KT series. Golf cart engines, Yamaha, and Kawasaki FE series. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.... Oh even Onan has issues with plastic on their cam gears, but it wasn't gears it was the the fingers for the ball and cup governor on the performer series engines, I've rebuilt them to in applications where replacement wasn't an option such as in two cases both welder generators
Some of the comments were brutal, but this toro engine is well worth the price. I bought a SW toro zero turn mower in 2016. It has the same motor that's in this video. It will backfire when you turn it off unless you run it wide open just before shutting it off. You won't hurt the motor running it wide open before shutting down, the governor keeps it from overrevving. I have had this mower for six years and zero problems with the motor. I change the oil each season, sharpen the blades and add stabilizer in the fall to the gas. I replaced the battery last year. I did not like the idea of having a Chinese motor on the mower and did not know it until after I had brought it home and used it. Toro has a good reputation and I bought it because they stand behind their product. It still runs like a new one, I have no issues at this time.
Your supposed to run it wide open when u shut it off even with the kaw engines it’s literally in the manual
Toss a set of new ngk plugs in it and i bet it fixes it
Use the synthetic oil that is provided with the warranty kit that you can purchase for additional warranty, and follow service interval guidelines, this motor will last a long time.
Awesome overview! I love the tear down and explanation! when purchasing an expensive item it's nice to see the inner workings explained. That has a lot of value for the customer. Especially in a mower like this because it's not well known like Automotive Motors.
The mower that would use that motor is a cheap one
@@MacGyver-1 that is very incorrect. This motor is made by the same company that makes BMW performance motors. It's an excellent motor and more powerful than expensive models\ brands. Also a modern design compared to a lot of the old Briggs, Kohler and Kawasakis. Also the twin carb is nice.
@@ArcolaBridge Loncin will make any motor to any price point, plastic cam gear?? Fail, also I would love to know what makes this engine modern. This a a knock off of the Kawasaki fh series engines. There is nothing inside that engine that makes it any more modern than the motor it copied. I'm not sure what your qualifications are but I rebuild about 10 engines a year. Reasons for rebuild are usually neglect with the occasional factory defect gone untreated. Normal use engines of this configuration ( air cooled v-twin) see about 3000 to 4000 hrs of use if properly maintained. In fact I will predict the most common premature failure of this motor will be burnt valves due to improperly adjusted valve lash. Just like on the the Kawasaki FH. But I digress. Please tell me what makes this motor so modern...
PS, you will never see this motor on a commercial mower. Toro had Loncin make this motor to complete in price for the consumer grade zero turn market, this is a very competitive market and everything is designed to meet a price point. The manufacturer wants these units to ideally last 8 years at which point they want the customer to buy a new one. So once again you will never see this motor on a $10k toro mower. Those commercial units will have either. A Kohler command carb or efi , or a Kawasaki FX carb or EFI. Toro knows better than
BMW is welllllll known for
Junk engines that leak & fail on target at 100k miles like clockwork!
@@MacGyver-1 I will take just about any engine over a Kohler command. Those pieces of shit are only good for blowing head gaskets. Time and time again. Also since you want to act like you know what you're talking about, I've seen more Kawasakis then Toro engines in my shop, complete with Dropped valve seats and burnt valves.
the nylon cam gear is not a big deal. my father was a diesel mechanic and he said they had tractor trailer engines with nylon gears with hundreds of thousands of miles on them and they didnt have issues. like everyone on here i would prefer metal but nylon isnt necessarily a problem. i hope this engine withstands the test of time and becomes a legend
Garage, really, we fought wars in Korea and V-N fighting communism, thousands of US soldiers killed and wounded and now, to save a few bucks, deny US workers a job, you hope this commie made engine becomes a legend??? :( F-Toro!!
@@Jay_Hall we have been at war with britian, germany, france, italy, japan, and many other countries, should we refrain from buying from them as well? toro is an american company that gets some of its parts from china like almost everyone else does. do you think ford, chevy, and chrylser dont get some of their parts from chinese based companies? most of the stuff you buy can be traced back to china. ever shop at walmart?
@@EnthusiastsGarage Garage, Right, Toro is a USA company, and must support the USA worker, this is just common sense! Kawasaki motors are made in the USA, so are Kohler and B&S, ,,,but Toro must run to China? I will never buy a Toro, and hope other Americans do likewise! I will support the USA worker, many of whom are Veterans. Buy American.
@@EnthusiastsGarage Communist China is a little different beast
@@Jay_Hall don't you mean "assembled" in the USA with imported parts?
Besides when the hell has being "built in the USA" been a good thing? China has some of the highest quality standards in the world.
We shall see just bought a brand new 2021 54”time cutter mowing it’s first yard tomorrow I like the design of the my ride “AKA” a recliner on your zero turn and all the simple features very solid mower and I’ve owned a bunch of name brands I have high hopes of this intake and 2 barrel carb along with the internals with a 3 year unlimited hour warranty all for 4 thousand cash not bad
Trying to determine if I'm going to drive an hour to get the one I want with the MyRide. There's a serious shortage going on around these parts. I couldn't even take advantage of the $200 off special because no dealers seemed to have the models I was interested in.
instaBlaster...
I ended up getting mine. Only two issues is the platform rubs on one side near the feet rest when pushed over (while holding the seat). Sawn one at Home Depot with the same problem. Second is the deck wash hose attachment broke the on the first use.
Other than those two things I've been loving it. No stress on the back over bumps.
mine broke twice before it mowed the yard 3 times I got rid of it and bought another mower
5 bolt heads and large head gaskets equal reliable sealing. Oiling system pressurizing the crankshaft first equal reliable bearings. Two barrel carburetor equals reliable cylinder filling. Ease of service equals happy customers. Nice work there, Toro
I can say without a doubt the motor is a beast. Very powerful
Texas Edge, oh yeah that motor is a serious contender. God damn excellence is what is it is, and by and large due to that nylon cam gear that so many think is cheap junk. They (the critics) cry and moan about a gear that never shows up as cause of engine failure, and swear they'll stick with their Kawis that uses heavy steel for the same gear- meanwhile they can't understand why their Kawis' valves need adjusted every 150 hrs or so, due to the excess vibration strain caused by their coveted steel cam gears, lol. Sorry, didn't mean to rant, and yeah totally agree- Love this little monster of a bad-ass mower engine!!!!!!!
@@rickcox1843 Yeah it's so great that on the flagship eXmark Lazer zero turn they use Kawasaki engines.
@@nexushexus4365 dude get real....you can't even buy a shit 4stroke small engine anymore. even the crappy harbor frt predators are solid as a rock and WAY better then any thing made 20yrs ago
@@crabtrap This is true. I wouldnt worry much about any motor at this point if you just take care of it. I have a kawasaki and a toro motor. I love them both.
Those engines look like great quality! Good job by Toro!
Edwin,,not quality, just cheap, does not hold value and has bad reviews. Kohler or Kawa for the smart educated buyer.
I own one and it has a 3 year warranty on the engine but I can't get them to do any thing to it . It back fires and they won't fix it I took it to the dealer for the back firing and all they do to it is what they can charge me for.
@@tonyjohnson1068 The best way to stop the backfire is run the engine wide open then turn the ignition off. I've had that engine for 6 years and so far, no problems other than the backfiring.
I like my toro motor, starts and runs like a deere
damn good motor it can deff take a beatin
Great design! However, out of all the engines, I will ALWAYS prefer the Kawasaki engines for every mower i get. They are amazing quality, and last forever!!
Glad to hear that, I always was wondering about them never had one
4 Kawasaki roadbikes amazing reliable motors......why buy anything else's
Lawn service dealers in my area swear by these Kawa engines
J. Johnson I bet! Most guys do, the dealers and the landscapers. I run bobcat mowers and bobcat only sells their mowers with Kawi’s in em.
@@agoushy74 if you guys are looking for the absolute best engine for any machine, the best look to Honda.
Looks like a nice engine! Will be looking into a mower with one in the future!
got a new mower with this engine. the last one had the kohler. kohler mowed my 1 acre on about two and a half gallons of gas. this one can mow it twice with almost a gallon of gas left. more power and faster mow time
If you haven't got it, get it. The V-Twin is a legendary beast! Love it!
Oh i take that comment back NOT 1 issue, I did have one, a new battery.
Actually impressive. Reviews are good for your Toro engine.
They will make their own product look good but they are junk.
Looked at a Toro with a V-twin engine last fall, liked the look & specs of the machine but didn't buy. Went out the other day to purchase (year end clearance) but dealer was closed even tho their website said OPEN. Glad they were after reading comments about the engine. Also another site had comments about new machines not starting at the dealers and had to be exchanged before loading to take home. Too many negative comments about this engine, would prefer the Kawasaki. Will continue looking...maybe Cub Cadet??
Hope you didn't buy a Cub Cadet, They are a highest level of junk. I had one years ago got rid of it after 2 months. I was getting stuck I live in Florida we have sandy soils. I got the Toro commercial my ride, Nice mower. but hate the Toro engine.
Why don’t you talk about the Kawasaki , it’s all compared to the Kohler, other than the air filter, and valve cover.
Good point. There is no comparison.
because the KAWA is better in every way lol
Reason is kawi is a major motor maker of engines, race bikes etc.. some things are short comming on a kawi such as the niceties air filter etc.. proof is in the pudding,.
I have heard good things about Toro engines.. however, I will still prefer the Kawasaki!! Why risk it with the new toro .. just like any other thing it will need an update after another
Don't listen to all of the critics Armando. This V-Twin will outperform and outlast your Kawi I believe. From my experience those loud archaic Kawi steel cams will need adjusted in due time. This baby is as smooth as a freshly washed butt. It's Toro for the win! :)
Has anyone ever encountered a problem where the heat from the engine is melting the Jacket of both throttle and choke cables? I am also wondering if the cables were routed wrong from the factory???
These are made in China aren’t they?
Why can’t I find any spec sheet on it? I can easily find one for the Kawasaki.
Was considering this engine: Nylon gear assures that I will not buy one under any circumstances. See Kawasaki, 1990 era for details.
Solomon, I've heard that all the pro stock cars use nylon cam shaft gears, and that they run smoother with less drag. Perhaps they've come further along since 30 years ago in technology. Fiber reinforced, etc. Then again, I own this engine so I may be just telling myself it will be fine : )
@@rickcox1843 do you honestly think with all that fine milling work they are 'skimping' with one nylon gear??? i'm confident that nylon gear has extreme advantage. i remember when people said this about Glock pistols "a plastic gun...no thanks!"
@@crabtrap You do realize there are both plastic and rubber parts on nuclear warheads, tanks, bulldozers etc. Your all-metal parts will rust the first time your stuff gets rained on or the air conditioning in your house breaks. Your metal gears will also likely need more maintenance and will still not outlast some of these quality renovations. You sound a lot like Frankenstein's monster- "Plastic bad! Nylon bad!" lol. :)
@@rickcox1843 again this manifold is aluminum.....does that rust alot??? could they have built it out of carbon fiber??? yup! necessary? NOPE! also turns out, they use aluminum stuff on warheads and tanks too! go figure! PS this engine has a nylon timing gear with i have zero prob with
@@crabtrap Just as I have no problem with the nylon cam shaft gear. Works perfect and will last longer than most of the metal gears from what I can tell.
As for the aluminum manifold, I agree that material works well for its purpose, just as the nylon cam shaft gear works well for its purpose. Show me one complaint wear the nylon cam shaft gear has failed. If not then why do you pursue the argument that the gear is weak?
What is the difference between the two Toro V-Twin engine options? There is a 24.5HP Commercial V-Twin and a 22.4HP V-Twin. Both are listed at 708cc despite the HP differences. The 24.5HP cost a whopping $800 more. I can find no literature specifying the differences between these two engines.
If bore and stoke are the same. Carb/Cam =More air and fuel =More hp/tq. Need to check p/n's for the cam if the same. Then it's all carb and you can buy the carb and have more hp/tq. But you will burn more fuel for what? I can see it if you need more hp/tq. if you are having trouble in tall grass. God bless and stay safe.
The carburetor for the 22.5 and the 24.5 I believe are the exact same part number. It might be a cam difference I'm not sure. It may also be a different part in the carburetor. I'm curious as well as I'd like to find the part to turn my 22.5 into the 24.5.
Hp and air filter that's all.
I have a 2015 toro 50 in ss5000 with the 24hp toro motor have had nothing but trouble with it from the start.I can never get the motor to start had it to the shop 10 times they told me they were junk they get them in all the time.I wish I never bought this mower...
then im sure if we search on youtube we would find dozens of "failure" vids aabout the toro engine???? NOPE!
Mine has been a dream. You must be one of those people where everything breaks for some reason.
@@crabtrap I have one. Many regrets. back firing all the time took it in for warranty and still back firing. Junk YIP
@@tonyjohnson1068 backfiring? Thats your issue??? Take back for wanntee or stop driving with choke on.
Im on 2yrs zero prob with machine or the Lincon emgine
@@crabtrap I did take it back for warranty and I don't drive with the choke on,
I love my 42inch time cutter. Can anyone help me out as far as why my time cutter only runs when the prime button is up. I've only had it for about 3 years.
I just got one from a friend who put a new motor on his time cutter. It has oil coming through one exhaust . Is it rings or valve??? It runs but when warm it loses power and backfires sometimes. Please help
Take the Loncin (Toro)engine off and put a Kawasaki it will be fixed.
Why two carbs instead of just fuel injecting it? Also, the "Toro" engine looks suspiciously like a B&S. Is it really? I would love to have heard you address the compression release system on the "Toro". Hope that is an improvement over the B&S Intek. The B&S compression release camshaft WILL let go grenading parts all over the inside of the crankcase. With luck no major damage, but highly unlikely. It is not a matter of IF but When. Thanks for your explanation of your new Toro engine.
Made in china
Who cares about fuel injecting a 24 hp motor that runs at basically two speeds.. idle and full throttle.
Is the small engine/ag community another one of those cancerous communities who will argue about anything?
@@cefb8923 - in my 2 weeks of being in the market for a mower and researching - yes. Like every other hobby interest - you definitely have your fanboys and snobs in the mowing community.
This video is 6 Years old now, Does anyone have any updates on the longevity of this motor? Curious about that "Composite" gear under heat and load over time. Has Toro backed their warranty with these motors?
3-year unlimited hours warranty for the Toro.
I got one and I wish I would have bought a Toro with a Kawasaki engine. The Toro brand is made by Loncin Chinese company, mine back fires and the paper work says it has a warranty but I have yet to see it. When I take it back for warranty they only do what they can charge me for. In fact I will never buy another Toro. I have the commercial myride I only bought it for the seat. It's more comfortable than my big chair at the house. and has shock absorbers on it for comfort.
I ended up buying one and have about 20 hrs on mower and so far so good. Break-in oil change was a breeze and synthetic oil seems to help with fuel consumption. I'm not using mine for commercial use just a homeowner.
You have to turn it off full throttle
Did Toro start making engines or are they a rebranded engine from Briggs or Kohler or another? If rebranded, who makes them?
Toro design, Chinese built.
They are built by a Chinese company called Loncin and they put Toro on it they are junk.
does this engine have compression release on camshaft?
Where can I get parts info and specs. for the Toro 708cc
how does this match up to the kawasaki? i know the kaw is a solid motor is this just as good or better? reliability is key for me
It doesn't mach up at all. It is a CHINESE made engine. They basically sourced a Chinese engine maker to make a "Toro" engine. In truth they put a Toro sticker on it.
Gilitar, fact is the Chinese flat out design and manufacture some stuff better. If this engine is Chinese, as you say, then hats off to the Chins for their innovative designs! Love that nylon gear- more efficient, quieter, smoother crank and less drag than conventional steel or brass. Love those over-sized piston rods too!
Rick Cox this guy makes the same comment on all the toro and exmark videos
This one is way better than Kawasaki and will last 36 1/2 times longer
@@rickcox1843 Another scared Toto dealer! The serious machines have USA made motors!
Is toro engine made in China .?
This is the CHINESE designed and built Loncin LC2P77F engine. NOT Toro eXmark. It's a Chinese knock off of the Kawasaki FR series engine.
Yeah also predator 708cc too it Honda clone not Kawasaki
@@travis10ist Yeah, and Honda is not Chinese junk.
toro and eXmark arent together
Man..., I knew it!
Where is your engine made? I know the Kohler is made in the USA, not sure about the Kawi? Also the Kohler has options that you are conveniently forgetting to show like a pre filter just like the Toro engine. Also the Kohler has a tool-less oil drain with a locking mechanism so if some pulls the oil drain like or it gets caught on a branch the oil won't run out of the engine all over your grass or driveway. The Toro oil drain is an open hose and will drain the oil sump! All Kohler and Kawai engines have cast iron sleeves in the cylinder. Again you kindly forgot to mention this. By you leaving out a lot of information on the Kawi and Kohler it feels like you are trying to trick people into thinking your engine is something great. Too bad you don't have real features that make a difference in the engine life and performance.
Joe Johnson Chinese engine.
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It would be virtually impossible to catch the drain hose on anything and drain the oil the way it is designed. Also, if you watch the whole video, at 5:18 he clearly shows the cast iron liner. I work part time for a lawn and garden dealer and we haven't had any major problems. They have been very reliable and the commercial guys love them.
A chinese company makes them for toro. However so far they've been doing good and its the same company that makes engines for BMW motorcycles.
Mako they couldn't make them in a non communist county?
Strong Tower Lawn Care manufacturing cost in china is low
Nylon gear is a deal-breaker. Kawasaki (which you did not dare compare with) for the WIN!
oh PLEASE Kaw engines aren't near the quality of a Honda
@@crabtrap right, but is Honda avail?
@@newbernbears im sayin you can shit in one hand and wish in the other....see which gets the yard mowed first. nothing wrong with the Lincon engine.
does camshaft have compression release
Basically, this is a Kohler motor
Nylon cam gear :( why do you torture me Toro
It's not plasic like Briggs uses. Nylon won't melt.
I was not worried about melting :\
Crisp Cuts Landscaping So...nylon isn't plastic??
Me too. The two nylon gears worry me a lot. I'd like to know whether the Kohler has nylon gears inside it.
@@kurttappe lmao Kohler has plastic camshaft lol
I didn't know dennis raider worked at toro - BTK
He never did show an oil filter. So all that nylon that comes off between the Gear in the steel shaft he's doing what plugging engine up
oil filter is a spin on type dumb fk, try to listen where he says"prototype" and some components NOT attached"
It does have a filter.
I know for a fact of the other engines have a pre-filter as well
I bought a 2020 titan with a 48 in deck. I have 3 questions that I would appreciate a logical answer from a Toro expert.. question 1. Why does a toro want to start the engine at full throttle,? 2 Why shut the engine down at full throttle? 3 why engage the blades at full throttle? I have never operated any piece of equipment this way. It goes against logic. You don’t operate any other piece of equipment this. Way. That I know of except a cheep push mower. If you operated your car/truck nothing would last very long.i have never owned a 0 turn mower but I have Chain saws, Blowers, string trimmers, small garden tractors.with small 2 cylinder engines and blades with electric clutches. Most engines need to warm up to get full lubrication. Looks like there will be a lot of extra wear on the engine, electric clutch and belt. As for shutting down the engine at full throttle I would think it better to let the engine idle a few min to cool down.
It will backfire bad if you shut it down at idle I have a toro 60 with the Kawasaki 24.5 hp motor and it specifically says to shut it down any full throttle and engage the blades at full throttle if u engage them at low throttle it jerks and jumps the belts
the cam shaft on the toro is plastic because they want it to break for more money, i can recommend Kohler but not Courage and 7000/6400/5400 series as both i have had serious problems with, Commands are the best i own 8 one has been good for 18 years its in a Toro Dingo 220 mini skid
I know the Kohler Courage has a bad rep but I have one with 450 hard hours on it and it is still a beast. I must be one of the lucky ones.I do change oil every 30 hours though. Still runs the original plugs.
@@retiresoon5639 would say about the same on my zero turn never changed oil but it just always leaks and for 21hp it bogs down on high grass unlike a 20hp v twin command
Kawasaki is the best simple
I am a small engine Mech 40 years + Exp. dont buy! Just wait till you have this fuel delivery problem..ugh..Hint, its not the pump.
Agreed with Johnson on this one. Just to add, nylon cam gear??? Really!! that will be the weak point of that engine. Also, polymer intakes are a good thing. They avoid "heat soak", which robs engines (especially air cool engines) of torque causing less air to get into the engine. Metal intakes retain too much heat.
I have a timecutter with toros Loncine engine has hard start problem from new backfires and barely starts sometimes it will run battery almost flat to get it going it's been in shop had new carb no difference,got all new plugs oils filters had tank checked fuel pump checked.anyone have any ideas of what it could be?
Mine would backfire when shutting off, put a new set of ngk plugs in it and it fixed it idly enough
Uts the harbor freight predator 708 with a different shroud made by loncin motors in china. Good motor though. Its a kawasaki clone
When are you guys ever going to get around to putting electronic fuel injection on your engines for the regular Toro time cutters. It's ridiculous that we're still using carburetors.
Why it's a 24 hp motor that sits at full throttle all the time. Can't see any reason to do that, car engines are fuel injected for different reasons.
@@cefb8923 Well for several reasons. Fuel injection is much more fuel efficient, and easier starting, no choke to mess with.
I would not be concerned about a nylon cam gear. The chevy 427 used them in 1966 without a problem.
chevy used nylon covering on an aluminum gear for noise. I would be concerned about all nylon.
NOT TRUE
LOL..without a problem..I don't think so.I had two plastic cam gears fail on me with two separate Chevy engines from the 60's and early 70's When the plastic would fail on the teeth those little aluminium nubs left would let the chain jump time.
Seems like a kaw clone, let's see it after 2k hours
They are junk many regrets. In fact almost 8 thousand dollars of regret. I got the commercial mower.
their u have it , just get a KAWASAKI
Bummed about the Nylon gear(s)
WELL THOUGHT OUT. NICE MOTOR. BETTER THAN KAWASAKI
hi i just bought the toro ss5000 with the toro engine and notice it smokes only when start up then goes away. why is this
A Bruce lmfao, you overfilled it with oil, congrats!
Normal break in smoke
Becos its junk...
If you started it with choke smoke is just the burn off from all the extra fuel....it stops when you turn off the choke and throttle up.
Is this truly a commercial engine? I know it says “commercial” but doesn’t seem like this motor is on any commercial mowers
Great Point
It is I have one.
Looks like the sump gasket already blew out.
anyone had any experience with the Toro v twin on the titan running rough? My 2019 has 30 hours and surges, acts like water in gas etc. I've drained tank, drained carb, added non ethanol gas, stabalizer etc to no avail. thanks
sounds like a vacuum leak
Hey have you managed to get it running back to normal yet i have the same issue?
Andrew Chomicz no. I’ve cleaned the carb, cleaned the metering valve etc, checked for vacuum leaks etc, changed to non ethanol fuel, all to no avail.
@@CurtisPittman48 I have not tore down that carb, but from your description it sounds like one of the jets is slightly plugged. If you choke it a little and it Smooths out, then it indicates its searching for gas.
@@raybonecrusher4516 I’ve had the carb apart and it looks clean as a pin. I also removed the metering valves and cleaned them. Runs great with blades engaged but surges all other times such as when pulling my aerator.
great video im sold its clearly a better motor
A better engine than the Kolar but not the Kawasaki
was looking for a vid with actual substance.....seriously, am I the only guy who doesn't give a dam about how easy the filter goes in/ out?????? seriously.....moving on.....
Dont like that nylon cam gear. They tend to get brittle and break at least the one on my 1969 mercury cougar did in 1976
Bring here in may country and ai well try to may boat ser
Kawasaki Rules.
I believe this engine is manufactured by a company in China
Correct Loncin Chinese junk. I have one.
Made in China?
I won't be buying a motor from China
Why not. Honda is japan and arguably the best small engine ever made?
@@alchewy3293 Japan is not Communist
I did some research and the toro engine is made in China and the Kohler is made in the USA. The Kawasaki is made in Japan. Both the USA and Japan are known for making great engines. How ever China is known for making low quality engines.
oil change on toro motor zig and zag, first oil change that nipple breaks off WTF
Supposedly being redesigned as it is a known problem. A plug versus the nibble that needs lubrication to keep the hose from adhering to it.
I did my first oil change on my toro z master with the same engine with Donaldson air filter on it the nipple broke off when trying to pull off. I just put a smooth bolt on with a hose clamp to plug the oil drain hose. Bad design.
The Kawasaki engine has been around for a couple-of-years!!! {{{YEAH-RIGHT}}}🤥
Kawasaki is the best and it will last
fibers go to hell the kawsaki 2 barrel carb
My Toro 24.5 engine will not idle smooth. It gallops. aother than that is a powerhouse.
Check thottle rod spring may not be on or broken or carb maybe dirty. Both will cause hunting and poor running engine.
It only needs one thing wrong .....and theres always "one" thing on a new motor....except a Kawasaki that is
That gear is nylon because it’s cheaper. Period. Stop lying.
William, Kohler has been using nylon cam gears for over ten years- even in their commercial engines. I've heard that all the pro stock cars use them too. Cheaper they are, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are inferior- and especially when used with a governor set up for mowing lawns, meaning they don't see high rpms. Not to mention the technology has come a long way since the 70's when many of the car manufacturers starting using them. Today they have fiber reinforcement and other chemical attributes. Combine that with smoother crank and less drag, and I'd say the nylon gears will remain persistent in high performance engines for many years to come.
Rick Cox I didn’t d not call them inferior. You’re now lying.
William Bissell, with all due respect, I never said that you called them "inferior". I simply made a statement that cheaper doesn't mean inferior. That gear could very well be made of nylon because nylon is superior to steel in certain circumstances- and not necessarily because it's cheaper. Hope that makes sense.
@@rickcox1843 if it was "cheaper" they would have just replaced that intake with rubber and saved$$ there dumb ass. i'm pretty sure they don't want their engines crapping out for a $3 part and getting a bad rep!
@@crabtrap crabtrap, I know this may be a leap of imagination for you, but you might realize that Kevlar can often be produced cheaper than steel- and that doesn't mean it's inferior to chain mail when it comes to stopping bullets from entering your body. The same can be said for hard drives, computer chips, parts, etc. Steel doesn't always mean better just because it may hold up better in a vice.
But then again, you're not an engineer are you. If so I don't think I'll be buying your bullet proof vests. lol.
CHINESE!
The oil drain hose, how stupid is that? Leave your machine unattended and an 8 year old child can drain your oil.Yay! Also if the hose comes loose from the nipple at the end dirt can get into the engine. Sorry but something as important as engine oil needs to be secured. Also since when is a wrench a "speciality tool"
The blue holders keep the hose in such a way it cant come undone. That is if you can keep your 8 year old away from it. I changed mine a couple weeks ago. Best oil change in my life.
Yep Chinese made engine which is likely why I wouldn't buy another Toro zero turn.
What would you get instead? I'm in the market. Deere is too expensive. Kubota perhaps?
Where are you getting your information about them being made in China?
deere3321 there not. Great engine I've had one scince they came out. It's almost identical to a Kawasaki. And nylon is fine
@@deere3321 Because they are, Made by Loncin, China junk.
That Kawasaki FR will & does eat this Toro crap for breakfast.
Made by Loncin China!!!
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Where did you learn how to lie this much?
Nylon!?
Seriously!?
Why must consumers that don't buy commercial grade equipment get absolute shit?!
Plastic...
Why not make the whole cam out nylon if its so great?
I'll tell you why, because it's not great.
Fucking Tupperware engine parts!
What an abomination!
I was no longer interested in this motor as soon as I saw the nylon gears. Chevy did this in the 60s / 70's and those damn timing cam gears were done in with broke teeth before 100k miles. it was not worth a shit then and its not worth a shit now. Thanks for letting me see the cheap ass crap you are putting in your " commercial " motor. LMFAO. I'll stick with the Kawasaki
Agreed with Johnson on this one. Just to add, nylon cam gear??? Really!! that will be the weak point of that engine. Also, polymer intakes are a good thing. They avoid "heat soak", which robs engines (exapecially air cool engines) of torque causing less air to get into the engine.
jon, how many engines have you heard of that had a nylon gear brake in them?
Yes And no. You have forced air from the flywheel sys. You will have heat soak with a hot engine that's not running. And will go away once you are running it. Why it does not have the time to heat soak. That has been tested with auto ind. Plus i am sure did the r/d on that engine for that.
jon doe l