when marine was reading the superchat 1 of the chat said "what about rushia?" marine replied "if rushia touch me i'm gonna loose it instantly" damn girl
To be fair, Japanese "idols" aren't allowed boyfriends or just about any male relationships that aren't family or sometimes friends, to not offend the incels/hardcore fans. Plus, it seems they (said fans) only really would "allow" the girls relations among each other, so they might have no choice. Not saying Marine wouldn't try to bang her friends, but she might've had a boyfriend by now if not for these rules.
She said that? Honestly... i can only think she would say that because Japan's antiquated views on sexuality has given her ideas of "how it's supposed to be." As if being gay is just a phase that all adults should grow out of.
When something rare to see is treated as only an uncommon sight it will become a common occurrence to all in time. Age 18-24, met a single bisexual/lesbian girl. Now 10 years later, met several from age 25 to now, most were years younger, and they believe its normal to have several people within arms reach that aren’t straight. I believe it might be a factor in why Japan (and America too it seems) is suffering low birth rates for the coming generations.
I just hope that if she IS into women (which, personally, my gaydar goes haywire whenever she speaks but that's neither here nor there) she gets to realize and accept that part of herself, honestly. Being in denial hurts so much more than people, even the person in question, realize.
Despite her antics she’s a devoted/sincere type, a good woman. She’s more likely to be played with than actually play with someone else’s feelings in the end. Not saying that’s what happened here. She also might tend to read deeper into things, but she knows all this about herself already and doesn’t let herself lose control. Just my over analyzation.
R S the phrase “good woman “ in English also means someone with substance and character that would be a good potential partner. Doesn’t have to be innocent.
@@spiffcheeso "ii onna" in itself don't necessarily mean they'd be a suitable partner. But an expression saying "she's great", "she's fun", "she's attractive", and more along those lines as "ii onna". Just like Flare, I agree with her that Marine is a "nice lady". But we wouldn't necessarily date her. The definition of "good" itself and when I hear the word in itself, I'd get the impression that they're "proper" and "righteous". I've also asked a native speaker like a year ago. And yeah, he was the one who pointed out that "nice lady" is the closest to the Japanese term.
@@skullyozeez6781 I kinda doubt anything noteworthy actually happened, as I don't believe even Senchou would just be outting that to thousands of people on stream if Shion wasn't cool with it, and if she did I don't think they would be collab-ing. Still interesting though.
Its getting frustratingly difficult to tell when any of these girls are playing things up for entertainment and when they are being serious. Though I guess thats kind of the point
So Shion was touching Marine, but Marine didn't react at all and just kept pretending to be asleep? No wonder the situation is awkward! Shion probably felt rejected, and now Marine feels rejected, and the ship is sinking! I hope they can talk off-stream about it honestly.
what i understand from the full stream was, Shion touched marine but marine didnt do anything and got turned on after that she fell asleep, but what makes marine sad/depress is that shion didnt remember at all what she did last night and keep on denying saying its marine's delusion or dreaming, marine actually liked that shion touched her.
I suppose them returning to the usual "Oh you and your constant cheating" play was supposed to signify their return to the status quo. But we all know that's impossible. It will be hard for Marine to turn this around if they ever have another sleepover. Shion is going to be wary of it now. Marine making everything so public is probably going to make her shy away more. Senchou wears her emotions on her sleeve, much like Matsuri, so this kind of thing's always going to be hard with a co-worker. What stood out most to me is that while Shion denied that she remembers it, she has never really showed any distaste for the idea itself. 00:13 "I've never seen you as an old hag." This alongside Shion saying that Senchou is cute in moments where she feels down or dirty really shows to me that Shion cares a lot more about her than she lets on with her aloof attitude.
yep, Shion makes fun of her sometimes about Baba but she actually doesn't really care about that and keep telling Marine that she's cute. Marine indeed wears emotions on her sleeve, She totally seems fallen for Shion after these events.
I don't think Shion was really prepared for the possibility that Marine is _really really good_ at gay chicken. because she's not bluffing she's just desperately lonely
@@shingshongshamalama I think you've hit the nail on the head. So far, Shion's targets for teasing have been introverts that guard their inner thoughts and emotions quite well. Aqua and Okayu are quiet. Coco admits that her outrageous screen personality is quite different from her irl behaviour. Senchou on the other hand is quite similar to Matsuri in terms of romantic desires. I don't think Shion forgot. I think she just doesn't know how to gently address the situation due to her relative youth and inexperience, as well as her personality.
1:11 Marine reaction is way too real 😭 but a man can dream Marine was feeling down for almost the whole stream:(( i feel really sorry for her and 4:07 knowing "the way Shion feeling up Marine" for quite a long time. this theory has high possibility of being true. she sounds a bit motivated about read this theory lmao, good luck on your revenge, Senchou!
Maybe for just a moment Marine really believed Shion was serious there... just a moment. I also think the theory is plausible. Marine not reacting would definitely discourage Shion even if she was drunk.
@@tallguy9143 Marine and Shion are both different flavors of that annoying friend who says all sorts of crazy shit and you're just not sure if they're being sincere or sarcastic with any of it because they won't stop saying absurd things all the time. Now we get to watch the yuri equivalent of a mexican standoff while both of these complete disasters struggle to judge one another's intentions in real time and they're both terrible at interpersonal relationships and I am enjoying this drama way too fucking much god help me.
Lmfao I love how Marine's character starts smiling again when Shion proposes for them to go out. Really like Marine's drawing with her hair down like that, hopefully she goes for it next time though. 4:59 I think you can translate this as offense.
Idk why, but her turning the smile on makes me wonder more of it is all set up and we are just being entertained. I thank them for the meal either way.
@@ksiyaskid It's mostly for the crowds. Hololive yuri-baiting is just a natural extension of teetee ships that Vtubers have found to be incredibly popular. Shion has been joking about 'going out' and 'marrying' Okayu, Aqua, Coco and Marine for ages. Marine is just a naturally horny baba who wants some genuine love and attention, like Matsuri. Haven't you noticed that every sleepover makes fans go crazy? It's a goldmine for teetee content, sleepy voices, personal stories and light ecchi teasing. It's a way to make the fans feel closer to the real actors behind the characters. The 3rd gen sleepover is the perfect example recently. Marine is an expert on capitalising on the post-sleepover hype with her short manga and chat streams. Don't forget that Senchou is a natural romantic with a very active imagination! Personally I think Marine was actually a little bit dejected.
@@ex_potato Yeah. Big fan of the yuri-bait. That said, if it is just bait, Marine is going hard in the paint with it. Again, i thank them for the meal. XD
damn I don’t need sleep I need answers xD With how Senchou was feeling down the whole time I truly believe her that something happen. Either Shion tries to deny everything or really was half asleep
Marine is perpetually fucking horny. Shion will flirt with anyone. Marine tried to get her to do something. Shion chickened out. Marine sad. Now it's awkward.
@@shingshongshamalama you got the first two and last two steps right but the middle wrong. Shion was feeling it and feeling Marine up trying to get her to do stuff saying are you awake? Marine chickened out and went to sleep and lost a golden opportunity. That's what steps three and four are.
Basically feels like Marine got friendzoned and doesn't want to publically admit that she was really hoping for something more than that, but you can kinda tell by the tone of her voice
That's like if you nutted to gay porn and thought wtf have I just done. Just to make sure there aren't misunderstandings this has never happened to me. I am a monk who is dedicated to worshipping the Elite One. I refuse to lewd the Elite One and I refuse to lewd anyone but the Elite One.
Unlikely, considering Marine purposely left out all the parts that didnt make her seem delusional. This feels much more like a cover up, with the additional benefit of Marine working through her feelings.
I really hope so. Otherwise I'm losing so much respect for marine. Why she aired out so many laundries when both of them aren't even sure what it meant, that's low
@@shingshongshamalama That was more funny than anything, she didn't even propose anything. Its just that her friends gay radar was firing so she shut it down
man see her down makes me sad this is why marine became my favorite i relate a lot to her, not only about the hornyness but the shyness, fearing to act first! plus when she say stuff like "...even though no one in hololive see me in a romantic way..." like in past streams
the way I see this, If marine kept the whole thing private she'd have reached to smth bec. the way shion speaks is definitely someone who doesn't want to discuss private things publicly from the first time marine spoke on her sexual life and how she handles her romantic relationships I realized that she's so naive and must be protected ... and shion is not the kind to lead someone . (that's my opinion xD )
In 4:14 The accurate translation of is : Marine reads the super chat "Although she lead you on, (as in made a move on you) you never really responded that's why I think Shion is sulking"
Hearing the build up leading up to the sleepover, I had a feeling that maybe it wasn't such a good idea. Seen things like this happen before. Hopefully things will work out
Ahhh this pains my heart. I really think the difference in age is quite a factor in the awkwardness of this relationship, since Marine is obviously quite self concious about being older than the rest of the Hololive members. Let's hope Shion actually has some interest in her and doesn't only want to experiment so Marine doesn't have to feel the rejection she is so afraid of. This kind of stuff is just way too relatable 😭 Hopefully they will have another sleepover soon.
@@Dumb-bejad007 I don't really get what you are implying, but their relationship isn't really comparable to what started to unfold with Marine and Shion imo. Okakoro seems a lot more pure and somewhat less "real". But then there's Noel and Flare aswell... Hololive is really starting to feel like some shoujo ai manga and I am pleasantly surprised by that tbh.
Never ever I imagine a drunk call can turn into this kind of Situation... KEEP IT GOING, I CHEERED FOR BOTH OF YOU just don't let a Menhera Necromancer and a Maid Onion know about this
@kukingina Seems like she tries to be as open with her fans as several other vtubers are. I mean, if you watch any of Crossick streams, they're pretty much doing couple stuff in front of an audience and their fans seem to enjoy that.
@kukingina Sure, but I can see why she was doing this the way she did it. You can see that her super chats were all just about this topic, so she probably wanted to clear the air. Shion feels probably ashamed since it's probably not something she wants out there and that's why she play it off like she did.
@@NamasteSpoon that's the thing tho, if the whole night shenanigans is really true and Shion didnt want to publicize it to the fans,then Marine wouldnt even got the permission to stream the doujin content from her manager and Shion as this is a personal matter that Shion clearly dont want the fans to know. but given that both her manager and shion is okay with it implies that nothing really happened last night or just an exxageration of the event.
@@reasanka8667 I mean, i see what you're saying and I agree to an extent. Crossick ask their managers all the time if they can do something and Nijisanji isn't as strict as Hololive seems to be. But Marine's mood throughout the whole stream is that of a rejected person, so my theory is that something did happened, but Marine is overblowing the situation while Shion is downplaying it. How did management approved this? They probably just asked if they could talk about what happened without giving any details
If this isn’t real I wouldn’t be able to trust anything Marine days or probably any girl again. The way they both are talking it seems like they both legitimately have feelings for each other. It’s so real I feel weird for even listening .like that convo wasn’t meant for us to hear .........
Feel bad for senchou, aches my heart to see what she thought was progression was actually just a “one sided” imagination or so. Hope everything goes well for senchou.
You know, memes and shitposts aside, I really hope this doesn't drive a wedge between these two. After all the bad shit that has happened to Hololive this year, I don't know if I can take these two maintaining this awkwardness and potential ruination of their friendship over something so dumb. This 2020 season of Hololive is throwing us a lot of curveballs huh?
I know this is probably a heavily dramatized version of whatever happened that night, but there are moments in this conversation that seem way thick with tension... it may just be the impromptu nature of the whole thing making it a bit hard to play off each other, or a cultural difference or something...
With all the evidence.. I came up with a theory..shion was on kenja time and seeing senchou asleep make her wanna feel up senchou..thats why shion said "senchou r u asleep?" like twice to make sure that shes actually asleep before she can proceed to feel her up..since senchou didnt reply..shion just assume that shes asleep and touch her..later that day shion find out that senchou was not asleep and was aware of what happened thats why shion started to deny everything senchou said to defend herself..normally eroi things that happened shion usually play it off without denying even tho she didnt do it..but her being unusually in denial makes her more suspicious....thats my theory.
Gerp Laundrey from what I took from it. Matsuri was deeply in love with Hoshikawa but Hoshikawa simply didn’t swing that way so it lead to Matsuri being stuck in a cycle of wishing the best for her but hurting herself knowing that she couldn’t be with her in that way. It’s gotten better now and they’re still close friends but the rest of the story is their private lives and we shouldn’t dig any further than that.
@@swordofexcalibur7675 Matsuri romantically liked Hoshikawa but Hoshikawa liked Matsuri as a friend only. So there was a big kind of falling out between them. I don't believe they have had a collab since at least not just the 2 of them.
@@swordofexcalibur7675 While I was able to find Hoshikawa's rejection, ruclips.net/video/BwW8ZSRC8Iw/видео.html there was another stream in which a soft-spoken Matsuri essentialy wished for Hoshikawa's happiness, even if they couldn't be together, while crying. If anyone has more clips, it would be appreciated.
The last part where Marine said she doesn’t want to be rejected reminded me of a while back Kanata or someone talked about how she always apologises to the other members after their streams if she makes fun of them during stream if I’m not mistaken. I think she doesn’t want to be disliked or hated by the other members even though it was meant as. Maybe from past events before she became a Vtuber. Or probably just her personality Cause I do know a few people who even though it’s a joke, they can’t help but get hurt by it
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident. Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident. Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident. Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident. Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident. Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident. Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
I feel you girl, I feel you... Getting rejected sucks a lot and all this emotional play is bullshit JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT DAMMIT! I'M LONELY AND VUNERABLE
Before I could notice when they were acting and when it was real But now... I don't even know They've become quite the good actors or maybe I'm just too into yuri that I can't tell anymore
I feel so bad for marine She definitely got her hopes high there I kind of think shion was actually conscious the whole time We need to open a campaign for finding marine her SO lol
![[Hololive/NorioP] Marine has big butt problems (Marine, Tamaki, Coco, Shion)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6YsJjN322S4/mqdefault.jpg)
marine: "take responsibility!"
shion: "i did not have sexual relations with that woman"
Are we getting a new Hololive trial?! Shion being tried for serial dating and misleading yuri antics?
@@ex_potato We need a court session for this!
@@pbyn153 we can do that after our Mama Wolf is back , and it's gonna be really cool
Shion Clinton XD.
RAPE.
"why didn't you attack first?"
"I'm afraid of getting rejected"
too relatable
I think that's why this is hitting everyone so hard, that feeling is too relatable
*MOOD*
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Story of my life.
Relevant: ruclips.net/video/_3KWTYJSX-Q/видео.html
Senchou's heart is actually delicate
Is Kenja-time the equivalent of post-nut clarity?
Exactly!
Kenja-time and Post-nut Clarity is automatically, chronically, certainly, genetically, and Technically same.
Typically it's refered to as "sage time". Because you are freed of all worldly desires with a clear head... like a monk or sage.
yes but youre not depressed.
Also known as Schopenhauer‘s "Devil's Laughter"
Welp, that's going to be useful in my vocabulary
This new ShionXMarine arc is really fascinating. After giving us the legendary 1 baba waiting stream, they went full yuri ambiguity on us.
The Hololive anime is getting spicy lately.
1 baba hour = 2 hours shion
*Burn the Metric system*
What's does 1 baba mean?
@@quiggsy8571 1 baba = 4 hour
1 shion= 2hour
1 baba = 2 shion
Isn't 2 baba? (4 hour)?
when marine was reading the superchat 1 of the chat said "what about rushia?" marine replied "if rushia touch me i'm gonna loose it instantly" damn girl
Owwww Our dear Rushia has such a power
senchou did say that if she wants to date any holomembers , it would be rushia
But Noel makes Senchou have to watch insect videos! 🦗
𝓘'𝓶 𝓰𝓸𝓷𝓷𝓪 𝓒𝓞𝓞𝓜
Understandable, Rushia is ridiculously cute/hot irl
Hey remember when Senchou said she was straight and got over her thing for girls after high school?
Me neither.
To be fair, Japanese "idols" aren't allowed boyfriends or just about any male relationships that aren't family or sometimes friends, to not offend the incels/hardcore fans. Plus, it seems they (said fans) only really would "allow" the girls relations among each other, so they might have no choice. Not saying Marine wouldn't try to bang her friends, but she might've had a boyfriend by now if not for these rules.
@@fiscarton92 she even mentioned how if all you're surrounded with is the same sex you're bound to have feelings for them eventually
She said that? Honestly... i can only think she would say that because Japan's antiquated views on sexuality has given her ideas of "how it's supposed to be." As if being gay is just a phase that all adults should grow out of.
When something rare to see is treated as only an uncommon sight it will become a common occurrence to all in time. Age 18-24, met a single bisexual/lesbian girl. Now 10 years later, met several from age 25 to now, most were years younger, and they believe its normal to have several people within arms reach that aren’t straight. I believe it might be a factor in why Japan (and America too it seems) is suffering low birth rates for the coming generations.
I just hope that if she IS into women (which, personally, my gaydar goes haywire whenever she speaks but that's neither here nor there) she gets to realize and accept that part of herself, honestly. Being in denial hurts so much more than people, even the person in question, realize.
"I'm afraid of getting rejected"
Don't We All?
Shion: We are not fighting or anyth-
Senchou: I'VE ALREADY FORGIVEN YOU
senchou: im not mad but do it again, it feels good
I didn't know I wanted a tsundere masochist in my life till now
You can tell she was actually upset by this because she genuinely sounded down throughout the rest of the stream.
yeah, i feel bad for her
Despite her antics she’s a devoted/sincere type, a good woman. She’s more likely to be played with than actually play with someone else’s feelings in the end. Not saying that’s what happened here. She also might tend to read deeper into things, but she knows all this about herself already and doesn’t let herself lose control. Just my over analyzation.
@@spiffcheeso "nice lady" fits the term "ii onna" much better. Since the word "good" indicates that the person is kind or innocent.
R S the phrase “good woman “ in English also means someone with substance and character that would be a good potential partner. Doesn’t have to be innocent.
@@spiffcheeso "ii onna" in itself don't necessarily mean they'd be a suitable partner.
But an expression saying "she's great", "she's fun", "she's attractive", and more along those lines as "ii onna".
Just like Flare, I agree with her that Marine is a "nice lady". But we wouldn't necessarily date her.
The definition of "good" itself and when I hear the word in itself, I'd get the impression that they're "proper" and "righteous".
I've also asked a native speaker like a year ago. And yeah, he was the one who pointed out that "nice lady" is the closest to the Japanese term.
Wow, i feel bad for senchou, i mean, you can tell by her voice she's sad about what happened
It’s like they really did something thus getting kenja time, but shion just brushed it off as an imagination tho marine looks like really enjoyed it
@@skullyozeez6781 I kinda doubt anything noteworthy actually happened, as I don't believe even Senchou would just be outting that to thousands of people on stream if Shion wasn't cool with it, and if she did I don't think they would be collab-ing.
Still interesting though.
Its getting frustratingly difficult to tell when any of these girls are playing things up for entertainment and when they are being serious.
Though I guess thats kind of the point
When Marine said she wanted a ship I dont think this is the kind she was aiming for
So Shion was touching Marine, but Marine didn't react at all and just kept pretending to be asleep?
No wonder the situation is awkward! Shion probably felt rejected, and now Marine feels rejected, and the ship is sinking! I hope they can talk off-stream about it honestly.
what i understand from the full stream was, Shion touched marine but marine didnt do anything and got turned on after that she fell asleep, but what makes marine sad/depress is that shion didnt remember at all what she did last night and keep on denying saying its marine's delusion or dreaming, marine actually liked that shion touched her.
CHICRITRO yes youre right.
actually felt bad for her, she's hyper and very social with others but the problem is she dont have a very close friend that she can lean or rely on,
Wait I don't get it. If shion was the one doing the touching, why she's the one that went "kenja-mode"?
@@jeremyg2236 I know this is gonna sound extremely bad but... humans usually have two hands...
I suppose them returning to the usual "Oh you and your constant cheating" play was supposed to signify their return to the status quo. But we all know that's impossible.
It will be hard for Marine to turn this around if they ever have another sleepover. Shion is going to be wary of it now. Marine making everything so public is probably going to make her shy away more. Senchou wears her emotions on her sleeve, much like Matsuri, so this kind of thing's always going to be hard with a co-worker.
What stood out most to me is that while Shion denied that she remembers it, she has never really showed any distaste for the idea itself. 00:13 "I've never seen you as an old hag." This alongside Shion saying that Senchou is cute in moments where she feels down or dirty really shows to me that Shion cares a lot more about her than she lets on with her aloof attitude.
yep, Shion makes fun of her sometimes about Baba but she actually doesn't really care about that and keep telling Marine that she's cute.
Marine indeed wears emotions on her sleeve, She totally seems fallen for Shion after these events.
I don't think Shion was really prepared for the possibility that Marine is _really really good_ at gay chicken.
because she's not bluffing she's just desperately lonely
@@shingshongshamalama I think you've hit the nail on the head. So far, Shion's targets for teasing have been introverts that guard their inner thoughts and emotions quite well. Aqua and Okayu are quiet. Coco admits that her outrageous screen personality is quite different from her irl behaviour. Senchou on the other hand is quite similar to Matsuri in terms of romantic desires.
I don't think Shion forgot. I think she just doesn't know how to gently address the situation due to her relative youth and inexperience, as well as her personality.
Gimme more theories
I want Marine to be happy now....
1:11 Marine reaction is way too real 😭 but a man can dream
Marine was feeling down for almost the whole stream:(( i feel really sorry for her
and 4:07 knowing "the way Shion feeling up Marine" for quite a long time. this theory has high possibility of being true. she sounds a bit motivated about read this theory lmao, good luck on your revenge, Senchou!
Maybe for just a moment Marine really believed Shion was serious there... just a moment.
I also think the theory is plausible. Marine not reacting would definitely discourage Shion even if she was drunk.
What if both sides were mutual and it was all a big misunderstanding cause by both sides. Is this a plausible theory?
@@tallguy9143
Marine and Shion are both different flavors of that annoying friend who says all sorts of crazy shit and you're just not sure if they're being sincere or sarcastic with any of it because they won't stop saying absurd things all the time.
Now we get to watch the yuri equivalent of a mexican standoff while both of these complete disasters struggle to judge one another's intentions in real time and they're both terrible at interpersonal relationships and I am enjoying this drama way too fucking much god help me.
idk if I should take this at face value or it's all just a story mixed with a bit of truth...
@@arniealaan6942 I dunno man, but their reactions sounded quite genuin. maybe they are just really good actors though
Lmfao I love how Marine's character starts smiling again when Shion proposes for them to go out. Really like Marine's drawing with her hair down like that, hopefully she goes for it next time though. 4:59 I think you can translate this as offense.
thanks for the suggestion 🙏
Idk why, but her turning the smile on makes me wonder more of it is all set up and we are just being entertained. I thank them for the meal either way.
@@ksiyaskid It's mostly for the crowds. Hololive yuri-baiting is just a natural extension of teetee ships that Vtubers have found to be incredibly popular. Shion has been joking about 'going out' and 'marrying' Okayu, Aqua, Coco and Marine for ages. Marine is just a naturally horny baba who wants some genuine love and attention, like Matsuri. Haven't you noticed that every sleepover makes fans go crazy? It's a goldmine for teetee content, sleepy voices, personal stories and light ecchi teasing. It's a way to make the fans feel closer to the real actors behind the characters. The 3rd gen sleepover is the perfect example recently. Marine is an expert on capitalising on the post-sleepover hype with her short manga and chat streams. Don't forget that Senchou is a natural romantic with a very active imagination! Personally I think Marine was actually a little bit dejected.
@@ex_potato Yeah. Big fan of the yuri-bait. That said, if it is just bait, Marine is going hard in the paint with it. Again, i thank them for the meal. XD
@@ksiyaskid if you want some real yuri teasing Vtubers, Niji's Sukoya Kana and Tomoe Shirayuki provide endless delight to fans.
damn I don’t need sleep I need answers xD
With how Senchou was feeling
down the whole time I truly believe her that something happen.
Either Shion tries to deny everything or really was half asleep
Marine is perpetually fucking horny.
Shion will flirt with anyone.
Marine tried to get her to do something.
Shion chickened out.
Marine sad.
Now it's awkward.
@@shingshongshamalama you got the first two and last two steps right but the middle wrong. Shion was feeling it and feeling Marine up trying to get her to do stuff saying are you awake? Marine chickened out and went to sleep and lost a golden opportunity. That's what steps three and four are.
@@Chuito12PR The video before this were she was going over the doujin she wrote. She stated it in that video
Basically feels like Marine got friendzoned and doesn't want to publically admit that she was really hoping for something more than that, but you can kinda tell by the tone of her voice
I can hear the sound of YAGOO's tears dripping down.
A sad story that's even enough to make YAGOO cry.
Is he even alive at this point?
Matsuri: last boss
Shion: hidden quest boss
Don’t worry senchou shion is just experiencing post nut clarity and denial
That's like if you nutted to gay porn and thought wtf have I just done. Just to make sure there aren't misunderstandings this has never happened to me. I am a monk who is dedicated to worshipping the Elite One. I refuse to lewd the Elite One and I refuse to lewd anyone but the Elite One.
Dat Boii Few hours later...
You’re right. I am *gay* .
@@bot7070 your a girl?
Knowing these two, we're probably playing right into their hands with the story and nothing may have actually happened.
I hope so
Unlikely, considering Marine purposely left out all the parts that didnt make her seem delusional. This feels much more like a cover up, with the additional benefit of Marine working through her feelings.
I really hope so. Otherwise I'm losing so much respect for marine. Why she aired out so many laundries when both of them aren't even sure what it meant, that's low
@@grievousxxx she explicitly mentioned that she showed this to Shion and her manager first and they said it was okay to show.
Senchou seems really cautious of being rejected because of what happened before, damn the feels
Remember her backstory about confessing to that girl in high school that she had a crush on and being immediately shot down?
@@shingshongshamalama That was more funny than anything, she didn't even propose anything. Its just that her friends gay radar was firing so she shut it down
Doujin Artists: "Don't worry, we can make it comes true."
One of the golden stream I should say 🤣
My friend drawn Marine crying after this stream and Marine retweeted it lol
man see her down makes me sad this is why marine became my favorite i relate a lot to her, not only about the hornyness but the shyness, fearing to act first! plus when she say stuff like "...even though no one in hololive see me in a romantic way..." like in past streams
the way I see this, If marine kept the whole thing private she'd have reached to smth bec. the way shion speaks is definitely someone who doesn't want to discuss private things publicly
from the first time marine spoke on her sexual life and how she handles her romantic relationships I realized that she's so naive and must be protected ... and shion is not the kind to lead someone .
(that's my opinion xD )
1:12 when shion said
'Shall we go out ?'
Marine face hust brighten up that is so fking....
....
... TEETEE
WHY ARE YOU SO CUTE
In 4:14
The accurate translation of is :
Marine reads the super chat "Although she lead you on, (as in made a move on you) you never really responded that's why I think Shion is sulking"
"it be like that sometimes"
-Murasaki Shion
It's a terrible day for rain
shion is just like " when the fk did this happen????" the whole time. senchou messing with shion's head lol
Hearing the build up leading up to the sleepover, I had a feeling that maybe it wasn't such a good idea. Seen things like this happen before.
Hopefully things will work out
shit, marine took for real shion saying they were going out the first seconds, I feel so bad for her.
Man I don't even know anymore, what's cannon what's not.
Cannons are what senchou has on her ship.
@@NihongoWakannai
cannons filled with feels
Ahhh this pains my heart. I really think the difference in age is quite a factor in the awkwardness of this relationship, since Marine is obviously quite self concious about being older than the rest of the Hololive members. Let's hope Shion actually has some interest in her and doesn't only want to experiment so Marine doesn't have to feel the rejection she is so afraid of. This kind of stuff is just way too relatable 😭 Hopefully they will have another sleepover soon.
huh? but Okakoro doing just fine tho
@@Dumb-bejad007 OkaKoro were also friends before even joining Hololive and are (I'm pretty sure) around the same age. completely different from this
@@Dumb-bejad007 I don't really get what you are implying, but their relationship isn't really comparable to what started to unfold with Marine and Shion imo. Okakoro seems a lot more pure and somewhat less "real". But then there's Noel and Flare aswell...
Hololive is really starting to feel like some shoujo ai manga and I am pleasantly surprised by that tbh.
@@RelativelyEasy Which means, more proof that Shoujo Ai mangas CAN be real or maybe they're just applying that genre to Hololive? We'll never know
@@RelativelyEasy yeah Okakoro seems more "firendly" than anything. But Noel and Flare is just pure Yuri...also Luna and Matsuri...
Never ever I imagine a drunk call can turn into this kind of Situation...
KEEP IT GOING, I CHEERED FOR BOTH OF YOU
just don't let a Menhera Necromancer and a Maid Onion know about this
@kukingina Seems like she tries to be as open with her fans as several other vtubers are. I mean, if you watch any of Crossick streams, they're pretty much doing couple stuff in front of an audience and their fans seem to enjoy that.
@kukingina Sure, but I can see why she was doing this the way she did it. You can see that her super chats were all just about this topic, so she probably wanted to clear the air. Shion feels probably ashamed since it's probably not something she wants out there and that's why she play it off like she did.
@@NamasteSpoon that's the thing tho, if the whole night shenanigans is really true and Shion didnt want to publicize it to the fans,then Marine wouldnt even got the permission to stream the doujin content from her manager and Shion as this is a personal matter that Shion clearly dont want the fans to know.
but given that both her manager and shion is okay with it implies that nothing really happened last night or just an exxageration of the event.
@@reasanka8667 I mean, i see what you're saying and I agree to an extent. Crossick ask their managers all the time if they can do something and Nijisanji isn't as strict as Hololive seems to be. But Marine's mood throughout the whole stream is that of a rejected person, so my theory is that something did happened, but Marine is overblowing the situation while Shion is downplaying it. How did management approved this? They probably just asked if they could talk about what happened without giving any details
I can quite tell that by the necromancer you mean Rushia, but Maid Onion? It only comes to my mind Aqua, but I’m not sure..
If this isn’t real I wouldn’t be able to trust anything Marine days or probably any girl again. The way they both are talking it seems like they both legitimately have feelings for each other. It’s so real I feel weird for even listening .like that convo wasn’t meant for us to hear .........
You're one of the few sane people here in this sea of yuri fantasy land super weebs
Yeah I question their decision to discuss this on stream, but perhaps it’s a way for them to have an excuse to discuss it and not avoid it
@@Graestra Basically something like "all you viewers are witnesses to this so nobody can deny it afterwards!"
Thank God another sane people. This one is a really weird topic
My first impression of Marine when I discovered Hololive: “oh this girl is a pirate.”
My impression as time went on: “wow this girl is a horndog.”
The atmosphere during this stream felt tense lol specially on marine's side.
I hope the follow up sleepover is soon. This storyline has me hooked
saaame love the plot so far.
Shion plays the field like a guy pounding jager at the Craps table. Bet on everything and you’ll never lose!
This is the only method at the casino that has ever won me money.
Feel bad for senchou, aches my heart to see what she thought was progression was actually just a “one sided” imagination or so. Hope everything goes well for senchou.
holy shit, なんかあるよ -> "it be like that sometimes" fucking **floored** me
thank you for translating, my *CHUPA CHUPA* craving has been quenched
You know, memes and shitposts aside, I really hope this doesn't drive a wedge between these two. After all the bad shit that has happened to Hololive this year, I don't know if I can take these two maintaining this awkwardness and potential ruination of their friendship over something so dumb. This 2020 season of Hololive is throwing us a lot of curveballs huh?
I know this is probably a heavily dramatized version of whatever happened that night, but there are moments in this conversation that seem way thick with tension... it may just be the impromptu nature of the whole thing making it a bit hard to play off each other, or a cultural difference or something...
Don't mind me just casually adding this to my fav playlist
Marine is cute even when she is heartbroken
Friends with benefits bare fine and all, just wouldn't date one.
That's the REAL wisdom.
With all the evidence.. I came up with a theory..shion was on kenja time and seeing senchou asleep make her wanna feel up senchou..thats why shion said "senchou r u asleep?" like twice to make sure that shes actually asleep before she can proceed to feel her up..since senchou didnt reply..shion just assume that shes asleep and touch her..later that day shion find out that senchou was not asleep and was aware of what happened thats why shion started to deny everything senchou said to defend herself..normally eroi things that happened shion usually play it off without denying even tho she didnt do it..but her being unusually in denial makes her more suspicious....thats my theory.
I no longer care about what actually happened, I just want senchou paisen to be happy
I see this turning into a Matsuri/Hoshikawa situation even more now and it really scares me..
I just want them both to be happy!
Eh? What happened with matsuri and hoshikawa?
Gerp Laundrey from what I took from it. Matsuri was deeply in love with Hoshikawa but Hoshikawa simply didn’t swing that way so it lead to Matsuri being stuck in a cycle of wishing the best for her but hurting herself knowing that she couldn’t be with her in that way. It’s gotten better now and they’re still close friends but the rest of the story is their private lives and we shouldn’t dig any further than that.
@@swordofexcalibur7675 Matsuri romantically liked Hoshikawa but Hoshikawa liked Matsuri as a friend only. So there was a big kind of falling out between them. I don't believe they have had a collab since at least not just the 2 of them.
@@swordofexcalibur7675 While I was able to find Hoshikawa's rejection, ruclips.net/video/BwW8ZSRC8Iw/видео.html there was another stream in which a soft-spoken Matsuri essentialy wished for Hoshikawa's happiness, even if they couldn't be together, while crying. If anyone has more clips, it would be appreciated.
Was thinking the same... Please no, I don't want to see Marine like this....
"I did not have sex with her its not true judge its bullshit I did naht."
-Shion in a few days
Marine is a treasure
The last part where Marine said she doesn’t want to be rejected reminded me of a while back Kanata or someone talked about how she always apologises to the other members after their streams if she makes fun of them during stream if I’m not mistaken.
I think she doesn’t want to be disliked or hated by the other members even though it was meant as. Maybe from past events before she became a Vtuber. Or probably just her personality
Cause I do know a few people who even though it’s a joke, they can’t help but get hurt by it
“It be like that sometimes” -Murasaki Shion 0:35
Feeling of being rejected huh? God that is a feeling that's too real.
Marine I really hope you find someone who appreciates you and loves you.
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
Please don't let this become a repeat of the Hoshikawa incident.
I know that Matsuri also wears her emotions on her sleeve but that was intense...
Hoshiwhat?
I get a lot of references about Matsuri-Hoshikawa but i could never find the right video for it. Any good samaritans?
@@TwistedPencils ruclips.net/video/Wm6SUmOSqx4/видео.html
LET'S HOPE SO
ShioRine is the OTP now bois
4:53 when she’s repeating “its over” oof especially the 3rd time she says it i can hear pain in that one
When the elf & the witch each finish assembling their harems the final battle between good & evil will begin!
I feel you girl, I feel you...
Getting rejected sucks a lot and all this emotional play is bullshit JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT DAMMIT! I'M LONELY AND VUNERABLE
The things that made me giggle is the existence of a possible translation for kenja-time : "post nut clarity".
So the lewd senchou is a maiden at heart...
Pirate crew and reference mangas that will pop out will all encourage Senchou on what to do on Round 2
jeez, I need to watch cross sick after this to not feel so bad. poor senchou
I like the fact that shion keeps insisting that she "doesn't remember," not "didn't do."
watched this live, I felt sadness in Marine's voice
Marine is such a cute puppy.
Marine: 01:14 felling down her avatar with such a sad face
Marine after Shion saying that they should go out:
01:16
Such a shame that Shion refused to acknowledge it.
Bi-boomer Pirate trying to be loved by a Loli-witch-Baba but the Loli-baba played her like a fiddle.
Have they responded to each other’s feelings yet
For me lately, Yuri Vtubers (Yuri ships) have been more exciting than Yuri Manga/Anime
Why am I both surprised and not surprised to see Marine talking about post-nut clarity.
They'll definitely do it again.
i just wanna know what subaru has to say about that!
Before I could notice when they were acting and when it was real
But now... I don't even know
They've become quite the good actors or maybe I'm just too into yuri that I can't tell anymore
Marine: “You felt me up tho”
Shion: “I do be not remberin tho”
It would be understandable knowing from how the fans go fucking rabid when there's even just a mention a dude that isn't related to them
Oh damn we really need to stop with the Baba. It's starting to get to Marine
At this point it's not even funny. I can feel my heart hurting for what Marine must be going through. Hope they get to a consensus someday.
Irl drama is always better than fictional drama the only downside is that real people get their feelings hurt
Damn you can hear how sad marine is about this
this is some matsuri hoshikawa shit all over again...
Ive never thought of shionxmarine *so this is something*
Ah, cant wait for fanarts. and ofc (lewd) doujinshi
I feel so bad for marine
She definitely got her hopes high there
I kind of think shion was actually conscious the whole time
We need to open a campaign for finding marine her SO lol
This is like another matsuri case
They really took the phrase "yuri sells" quite literally huh
Shion has been turned to a legit mesu gakki.
when marine said "body-to-body relationship" I legit go "...eh?"
I don't even know if this a joke or if she's genuinely hurt, probably both.
Japanese phrase of the day: Kenja-time
Literally "Sage time" or 賢者タイム (kenja taimu)
This feels like an important thing to know
OH MY YAGOO JUST HOLD HANDS ALREADY!
Oh wow. Marine... I like you. Daisuki.
Kenja time=post nut clarity
That’s why it’s called Homolive, though, poor Marine :( she sounded actually sad
Hope rushia cheers her up..
You can be as late as you want next time Marine, Fubuki will cover for you. We just want you to be happy. :(
Well senchou already got rejected once in high school, so ofc she's afraid of it
Where does YAGOO keep getting all these lesbians from?