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Get the RIGHT sportsbike tyres | Road, track, pressures & compounds
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2019
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Very enlightening video and I very much agree. I am an upper A group track rider who uses Pirelli SC2s (about the same level as R11s) and do not encourage their use on the roads at all. They wear too fast and simply cannot get up to temperature in any kind of normal riding environment (except maybe in fast canyons with no traffic lights). I myself use normal road tires on my road bikes even though I am very accustomed to race tires
this is why my garage is stacked with several sets ! road, track, wet - right tyres for the job always - great honest talk from Gary, he seems an honest fair guy
This is an outstandingly useful video. Terrific.
Love a bit of Gary Bridgestone. Simple, clear and to the point. Great video.
I ran S21’s and now use S22’s at mid-inters level with no issues. I find they work well for me.
I use s21's and they handle very well riding spirited on the road and track!
pressures of 36/42 are ridiculous. Those have been the "recommended" pressures for EVERY motorcycle tire since 1960. You can find it stamped on most Japanese bikes since 2000. 42 in the rear for a Michelin Power 5, a very soft carcass tire, is just a little high, but the tire will still heat up and form into a decent contact patch. 42 on a Dunlop Q3+, just about the hardest carcass on the market, is insanity. You may as well be rolling around on a solid tire from a forklift. Most Bridgestones are a little stiffer than Michelins, but nowhere near as stiff as most Dunlops (Q4 is the main exception). I have scoured the internet looking for manufacturer recommended pressures and there aren't any (I think their legal departments all said, "Um, hell no.") . If you can find some from each manufacturer, and each model tire, please post some links. My GSX-R600 has 36/42 stamped on the swing arm. What does Suzuki know about tires, much less the ones that are 10 years newer than the tires sold with the bike.
Well, I agree 36/42 maybe pillion and luggage safeguarding from manufacture and lower pressures have worked better for me. The exception was my road 4’s, which became angular on front. Upped to 36 on next one and nowhere near the same problem. Think the MICHELINS deform a bit at lower pressures, soft carcass as you mentioned. However, I like that as they do feel a bit more compliant on the crappy backroads.
What pressures do you run then?
I found a Bridgestone chart for track pressures and I remember most of them being 30 front and 30 rear. Seems odd to put the back that low, but I'm not a track rider. Can you actually heat the back up that much? Maybe so on a 1000, but for a 600 it seems very low.
I’m 6’4” 280 so the recommended actually work a little better for me. I will drop 2lbs on hot days though
@@DirkzyI have S22s on my bike and run 32-34 cold front and rear. Never had an issue and the tires work great.
Brilliant interview! Well explained and detailed. I’ve listened to other “product/marketing manager” interviews and they’re full of bluster and techno-babble (and quite frankly a bit boring), but this guy is no bs straight talking for the laymen! Excellent 👍🏻
Brand new S22's on my Speed triple, did my second trackday and it rained all day and I hate riding in the wet. However still went out to get my monies worth, set presssures to 34psi all round, and I couldn't believe how much grip was available in the wet , these tyres are fantastic and you can really feel the road, I cant wait to thrash them on a dry day and see how they cope with that.
S22s are on my list for the next change in a few hundreds :D
I was having a hard time deciding and this video finally helped me understand what I actually should get.The season is approaching I'm very excited thanks!
Brilliant! Thanks, John
This is the most honest and best tyre review I've seen. Thank you! I learnt a lot from this.
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers, John
Made the mistake of buying higher end tyres (Pirelli Supercorsa) and they were lethal on the road. Slight bit of damp and the wheel spins, to actually get them up to temperature you gotta ride like a madman. Brilliant on track but certainly not for the road, super happy with the Metzeler M7RR for the road.
It's easily done - it's what I used to do too!
Interesting. What bike and what level experience when you drove them on road? I’m considering moving from stock Rosso Corsa 2 to Supercorsa SP v3 for my Panigale v2. About 5-6 track days per year, I’m low-middle of the pack in the intermediate group. Need a one size fits all tyre for road and track in Irish (wet) weather..
Brilliant video. The information is so relevant, comprehensive and accessible. Thanks to both presenters for demystifying tyres and clearing up so many misconceptions.
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Thanks guys, this would have to be one of the best tyre talks i have come across in years, very indepth and answers some of those myths you here people talking about on FB.
Thanks! Glad it was useful; while of course Gary from Bridgestone helped us with it, we really wanted it to be informative regardless of which brand you chose. John
@@bennettsbikesocial Spot on, that really came across in the video that while Gary was from Bridgestone the information applies to most if not all brands, i recently just started using the S22's on my MT10SP and found i don't have to run super low pressures like i did with my other brand tyres and now i know that more because i've picked the right tyre for the riding i do, Thanks again, Liked and Subscribed
Also thanks for this video I know so many riders looking for a video like this
I have Michelin Pilot Road 3 tyres on my VTR 1000F and they are grippy and give brilliant road holding and feedback in the dry, they are fantastic in the rain(Good old english weather)
Thank you for your fantastic video I have been a biker for over 30 yrs and thank god I never put extra sticky tyres on my rides as your video explains the tyres need to be worked to achieve their function and on uk roads traffic hold ups are a day to day occurrence.
When I visit Matlock in derbyshire I have seen many an accountant or businessman riding his steed shod with near slick racing tyres and though, what a waste and now I think, he is dicing with death!:)
Hopefully they will watch this video and realise how to use these tyres or at least understand what their full usage entailes:/
Good video I will of course subscribe.
I have the Road 5 at the moment. I"m really happy with those tyres. They give me a lot of confidence when it rains and when it's dry. The mileage is good. I really recommend those tyres to everyone
Very interesting indeed, excellent video 👍
Very informative video! Just bought a set of S22s so reassuring to hear they suit my riding
Just curious to know how is the mileage on the s22?
Superb video - very informative, no nonsense from Gary.
I love Bridgestone tires. I have been running the S21. I may go to the S22 some day, but I'm so happy with the S21 I don't want to change.
Just curious how is the mileage?
Best bike related video i've watched, novice track rider here, S22 will be my next tyre. Many thanks for all your wisdom and experience.
Glad to help! John
It’s a shame I can’t give this video more likes. Great, informative and honest info
Thanks! All the best, John
My trackday organizers asked/recommended everyone to set their tires/tyres to 30 psi F/R. Of course the race class had their do dats etc. On my GSXR600, I was running 28F/26R cold.
Excellent information regarding the trade-offs between higher spec and lower spec tires. On the street it’s basically impossible to get and keep race tires and brakes up to temp.
“At the end of the day, it’s about being true to who you are as a ride” no truer words have been spoken. Thanks for the video it was just what I was looking for.
Brilliant - thanks! John
This bloke knows his stuff thank you
What a terrific video.
Got some really good insight about the ideas and what thought goes into developing a tyre.
Great - thanks! John
Plenty of great advice in this video.
I would love to see more videos like this. Fantastic content. I just ordered a set of Battlax S20 evos.
Lots of great information here from Gary, very interesting thanks
I use the S22 on my Honda VFR 1200 F and it is perfect for both track and road. I highly recommend this tyre.
Look at the Tread Wear after 5,000miles to tell what kind of tire you need.
I’m a fast road rider at times and probably do track days once every two years and run mid to top 3rd in intermediates at Cadwell and Brands. I had a 2012 Fireblade and after doing a Ron Haslam track day, I moved to the Bridgestone T30’s. TRANSFORMED my road riding for the better and easily coped with my track riding.
Although may move back to a full sports tyre if I was to focus more on track.
My problem is I now own a Ducati 899 and Bridgestone don’t make the latest T32 in a 180/60. So I don’t know if either a 180/55 or a 190/55 will be ok or if I need to now stick to a sports 180/60
I probably won’t do another trackday in all honesty and often take a pillion, so I don’t need a sports tyre. However I do get good lean angles when riding solo and don’t mind slower steering. Will a T32 be awful for the Ducati with it being a 180/55 or 190/55 on a 5.5inch wheel???
I don’t expect a response to be fair.
Congratulations!
One of the best videos for motorbikes. Very informative!
Great advice 👍🏼 and no proper Bridgestone sell 👍🏼
SONAMOTO thank you. Aimed at education and expelling myths.
Great content 🎉 thanks gents
What about comparing sports tires with hypersports on track and their pressures. S22 you said as an example 30psi on rear, what would that look like on T31, same, more ?
Fantastic video, very informative!
My S22’s were amazing on a 2016 SDGT in Northern California. Street use only for me
I tried a sports touring tyre thinking I would get more life from the tyres. I ended up getting 3000km from the rear because it was spinning up. Went back to to my normal pilot power 2ct and got 8000km again. Given I am a sports rider it makes a lot of sense getting a tyre that suits.
Now I ride a supermoto rather than a sports bike, but find the S22 perfect
Very good watch guys, thanks
I’m struggling to understand this generic 36/42 for almost every bike now. My 2017 Z900 states these pressures, but my older GSX750 was about the same size as the Z900, the difference in weight between the 2 bikes is only 2kg, same sort of riding position etc and the recommended pressures for the GSX were 36/36. So why is the Z900 36/42 when it’s almost the same bike as the GSX which has different pressure recommendations?
I know and agree with what you're saying, doesn't make sense to me either!
Fantastic vid!
Thanks!
Very informative vid, so much useful info. Thanks!
Have the T31's on my 05 R1. Love them 💘
Great video, just what I needed as a novice.
Thank you
26:55 What does Gary mean by ‘outperform’? How do I know I am ‘outperforming’ a given tyre?
I hope my english is good enough to explain that.
If you "outperform" it, the tire overheats. As a result, he begins to slide. At the back, for example, he begins to understeer. Means the tire drives a wider radius than you want.
Basically the same at the front, you turn in, but the motorcycle doesn't go where you want it, it pushes outwards over the front wheel.
I have s21s on my mt10 and there brilliant ,I like the stiffness in the tyre walls ,give you such a positive front end
I also have a MT10, is the S21 not too hard in the corners, on bumpy roads? I'm afraid of losing control in this situation because the tire then jumps. I have the Michelin pilot road 5.
And would like to try the S22!
powermagarac ,the grip level is exactly the same as the s20s which the bike came with new .i think the main difference is the compound in the middle of the tyre is harder wearing but still soft on the outer part of the tyre. Yes you do feel the bumps a bit on the good old British country roads ,but nothing dramatic .
Alan Edwards Thanks for the answer!
I only have a problem with tires warming up the first mile or two and I’m going super easy by my house so I’m good anyways, then when my Dunlop’s D214’s come up to temp they are sticky! Great feel on them and honestly I never put huge miles on my bike so I’m not out tires much! But I’m due a set! I’m thinking Road 5 or Dunlop Q3+! Maybe even a Metzeler M9RR they look closest to what I want out of a tire! My bike is big puts out 150 to the wheel and I use it all! And I do like to fly down the Interstate and the M9 is designed for big powerful bikes with TC which i got! Something tells me to save my money and get the Metzeler!
Hi! Talking of track tyres like the rs10, when you fit a new set and use them for track day riding would you get 2 back tyres for every 1 front or would you always replace them together. Thanks john.
I would like to see more in depth comparison of the S22's - Power Pilot 5'd - Power Road 5's - and maybe even some older models of improvements from the S21's S21 EVO's and maybe Pilot Power 2's
Brilliant video! I've ordered S22s for my R6 for track. I wish Bridgestone would offer the RS11 in 180 section so they can be used on a 600.
ive used the s22 on track on my s1k was great didn't have any issues with it at my skill level
Thank you very much for this fenomenal video I did learn a lot
Very informative video, I’m having hard time to decide on what tires to use. I am not a track rider, i just want to ride my sports bike in every day use, like going to work etc. thank you for enlightening me.
You can't go wrong with sport-touring tyres! Cheers, John
Excellent video. Swapping out my S21’s for S22’s this week 👍🏻
I picked up a pair of M7RR and called Metzeler tires who is also Pirelli motorcycle tires. I'm 135 pounds and was curious if i lower tire pressure from the manufacturer recomend psi could i get better contact patch 🤔
The guy who answered at Pirelli tires said when i asked the question that the manufacturer has listed the psi on swing arm ( no shit, and really) 🧐
I'm very aware of those recommend psi numbers, but what weight person are those psi settings for. 42 rear psi makes a tire like a rock and easily spins on my old 2003 RC 51 and breaks loose rear tire gassing it which is fun, but not on extreme twisting roads especially if the road is cold.
The guy from Pirelli repeated himself about the manufacturer recommendation.
I was hoping the guy would have something better to advise me than "it's on the swing arm".
So Metzeler suggested to run 42 rear and 36 front, just like Honda motorcycles swing arm lable. What weight person is 42 and 36 psi for, and what rode and ride conditions?
Bike manufacturers should have a page in their manual that should say a psi number based on weight of rider,, as well as tire manufacturers giving the same info. Maybe im wrong and 42 rear and 36 front is ideal for all riding conditions, type of, or style of riding, rider weight and is the rider aggressive, or mellow on the throttle and in the canyons twisting roads on a hot, or cold day.
It's like "set it at 42 and 36" and have a great time.
I just thought tire psi may have something to do with riders weight?
As this video explains, the recommendation given really is the right one - the difference in weight between you and me is about 20kg, which is only around 10% of the total of you and the bike. You're closer to the weight of the Japanese test rider than I am too. As much as people want to believe there's magic tinkering to be had in fiddling with the tyre pressures, until you start cooking them hard on track, leave well alone. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial thankyou. I reckon I just still need to build confidence with lean angles. 👍
I'm not looking for longevity, but only looking for traction. Contact patch has higher priority for me then longevity, or high milage.
@@marcsworld1love One thing to consider is that it is easy to 'over-tyre' yourself. I used to have Pirelli Rosso Corsas on my Monster S4R, but they took too long to get up to temperature, so just spun up really easily. The M7RR is going to be fine as it's not that extreme, but do be wary of pure sports tyres, which rely on the heat generated on track to perform properly. Sport touring tyres are best on the road these days - they're also fine on track for most average riders like me. You'll find some race schools use sport touring tyres as they'll perform in all weathers, and get up to temperature well for the students.
A lot of stuff does come own to confidence, but you have a great bike there and some excellent tyres, so just make sure they're warm and the road surface is good, then take your time building up confidence. A track day would be the best bet for seeing how well it leans too.
If you are having problems with it losing traction, maybe check the rear suspension and linkage is all working smoothly.
Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial 🤙 great thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@marcsworld1love No worries... and got to say I'm jealous - the SP1 (as we know it) is a bike I'd love to own. Cheers, John
Watched twice. Very good video. Very informative.👏
Just a quick question, let's say you start at the lower level tire (track bike newbie) how do you know when you have out ridden that tire and you need to move up? do they start getting slippery and moving? Thank you for your great videos, I have recieved awesome information from them!!
@Bennetts Bike, I have the same question. What are the signs that I've outgrown a tire?
Sure signs will be if you're shredding the hell out of the rubber, you're reaching the limits of grip, and you're being moved into the fast group of track day session. Honestly - you'll know when it's time to move on to something more race focussed, but with the top brands now making sports touring tyres so good, unless you only ride on track, that rubber will likely be your best bet. A sports-focussed tyre will be more targeted at dry performance, but if you're cooking your tyres on track, you should look at something more sporty. Hope that helps! John
Thank you!!! Great info
Precious informations, thanks.
Good info, people should realize that track temperature is impossible to get on normal roads.
There'll always be someone who wants to over-complicate it though!
Best tyre video ever seen, detailed explained thanks so much
Thanks very much! John
This is brilliant and really well explained. Thanks Gents!
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
I turned a S22 blue and I had a lowsider (not only the tires fault). So got a rs11 in the front and a R11 in the rear.. hope I am fast enough to keep them on temp
Great info which answered many questions for me!
Got it.... I need a pair of old pram wheels for my Panigale then the speed I ride.
That’s a wonderful video, thanks!
Best tyre review or info so far!
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
Very educational video, that Bridgestone guy is super. 👍
Glad you liked it! John
Brillant advice (I am riding on S22‘s)!
Considering Street roads don't have the sharp turns as tracks to how necessary is it for riders sport bikes to shift their body position to hang off the seat as they do on tracks or is it not necessary at all and can actually lean quite far while still sitting up right and leaning into the turn?
Brilliant video!
Will the S22 work for a slow guy in the Novice group on at a trackday?
Today Aug 08, 2020 .... I'm looking to get a set. I know they're old models, but they came on my bike and I felt very comfortable with them, Front down to threads with over 5k miles on it, and rear do threads with over 4k miles. I'm ride mostly straights so looking forward to having harder long lasting center, so if I can have same cornering and traction with a few more K miles, I'll be very happy. I've read tons of great reviews on Pilot Power 2's, and if they're so good, why discontinuing them?
Was also thinking about the Pirelli Rossa 3's, but i'm not too convinced since its a single compound in front tire. I was also considering the Pilot Power 5's, but I didn't read any good reviews on those.
I had Bridestone Battlax BT023's on my previous bike, but I wasnt very confident in those, and the rear slid out a bit sometimes when I'd accelerate even just mildly out of turns. I've even thought about getting the Battlax Hypersport S22's
I dont care about wet. I just want the absolute best dry performance street tire for aggressive riding on bends and turns, and long life bc of 95% riding straights. I dont need or care about wet performance as I dont ever ride in rain or wet roads. so what tire is best for all that? I've been very pleased with my Michelin Pilot Power 2's
Also Pilot Power 2 are well over a decade's old technology as the Battlax Hypersport s22 are relatively new, only year or 2 as of Aug 2020.
Fantastic information, thank you guys
Great video!
Excellent!
Possible you can give and idea of comparison with Michelin Pilot Power 2CT's and Battlax S22? I'm on the fence.
Iis there a way to find out what the ideal temp is for best tire performance and traction?
would you rx the S22 for a 2012 Daytona 675 for quick around town, suburb twisties, and occasional canyon riding? i often ride in 40-50 degrees and wet as well. coming from a Pirelli OEM Diablo Super Corso front (hate) and Diablo Corso ll rear which i love.
Usefull information video....good job😁
Liam Neesons brother certainly knows his tires
Always wonder why manual will say 36psi but then same tyre on different bike is 42psi.. most fitters set to 42psi too. which is actually best for normal street riding
Fascinating. Thanks.
12:50 is riding over gate rails like at apt communities and commercial building parking? the tracks on ground that have a pointed tipped ridge that tire rides over and creates a depression in tire, does this have an impact on the carcass?
At least this video is straight-up about sponsorship and bias. The Bridgestone rep wears his shirt. And he tells a rider not to buy a tire over his head. Super!
Cheers! Gar doesn't mess about, also agreeing with us when we did the written versions of this that we'd include the recommendations from all the other brands too. All the best, John
I just bought a Ducati with P Rosso Corsa II. They are new but when it is time for new tires I don’t think I will need this level of tire. I do not track the bike. What is a great road tire brand and model with grip for wet or dry conditions? Ducati 848
In the meantime, all tires from the big manufacturers are REALLY good tires.
In your case, I would most likely use a sports touring tire.
For example Conti RoadAttack 3/4, Michelin Road 5, Bridgestone T31 / T32
@@Appelkorn1 Thanks for the info 😉
8:05 I even wonder if I could even outride the wet tire W01, or if that could even practically just only buy those and see if they can, or how far I could push them overall. May not ever know, they maybe could've been best for some of us without even knowing it. Or would they get too hot riding aggressively on dry roads with so many grooves and tire/rubber generated heat.
Race wets would cook way to quickly on dry roads - all you need there is a sport touring tyre. Personally, all i need anywhere is a sport touring tyre, regardless of whether it's on track or not. Cheers, John ruclips.net/video/IvNUs4IXvPE/видео.html
@@bennettsbikesocial I'm on cbr1000rr with S22's and love them after having Power 2's. I'm an aggressive rider so the S22 claims as hypersport; is that overkill or too much tire? Or would Road 5's be enough?
9:54 lose the sharp edges? so does that suggest that the edges are actually supplying much of the grip?
10:04 g"o back to these....brilliant" can a rider really tell much about a tire more than simply having traction or not?
11:04 "levels of grip" so would htat also be needing 'levels of heat' for proper conditions for optimal grip/traction?
12:15 I just realized the psi effects the suspension hence a reason why makers have recommended psi for tires on their bikes. or not so??
12:25 tires are designed for those pressures, but also the suspension too, right?
Excellent Video - thank you
1:28 S22 best for leisurely rides?? Its a Hypersport tire and supposed to be one of best street tires with aggressive fast riding. This contradicts a lot of what I've researched.
Iis there a way to find out what the ideal temp is for particular tires and best tire performance and traction?
The title of the video is "Get the RIGHT sportsbike tyres" so out of these selection of Bridgestone "sport" tyres the S22 is the best one for leisurely ride because its the most street biased option and it reaches close to its operating temperature doing road speeds. Obviously a sports touring tyre would be "more" better suited to a leisurely ride but that's the beauty of a tyre like the S22.
whats the optimum tyre temperature riding highway?
Very nice video! What pressure would you use on a 20-25celcius trackday for a pirelli diablo rosso corsa 2 and what on a 10-15celcius yrack day?
Personally, I'd leave them at road pressures because I'm not that fast. Cheers, John
S22 or T32?
For road - medium level riding
excellent video, I have a Yamaha XSR900 that I ride only on the street, don't do track. I have the S20 and they perform really good but didn't last me 4k niles, I need a tire that last me longer, thinking to buy the T31 would this tire be a better option as far as mileage?
Does sound like a good bet; people often over-tyre a bike, but I love sports-touring rubber on my S1000XR, ZX-6R and previous MT-10. John
@@bennettsbikesocial thank you for the reply.
Bridgestone ad!
I'm only a min in and I disagree ;).....I consider myself a fairly rapid rider on the road, and push pretty hard....I've used sport touring tyres for yonks on sport bikes etc and never had an issue....sport tyres on the road are a waste and overkill...They wear out way to quickly for my slim wallet...as for race/supersport tyres on the road then you're probably never gonna get them up to temp and hence have less grip then a sport touring tyre...to some folks though tyres a fashion statement lol...If ST tryes are good enough for Ron Haslam and his riding school colleagues then they're good enough for me....I buy from an online retailer and get the cheapest ST tyres at that given time and just ride the shite out of em 😊......apart from that twas a good video with some great info and insights from Gary. Thanks.
Probably worth watching some more then...
@@bennettsbikesocial hmm I did hence me liking and my writing final sentence. It still doesn't change the fact that sport tyres are overkill for the road....
@@chr11sf For the vast majority (me included, without a doubt), I'd definitely agree. John
Is that wet tire really sized 165/63.0R17? Is that what he meant by "...shum fick wets [sic]..."?
Yea. 630 is the overall diameter. Bro the aspect ratio.
great video
M7 RR 👍 will try s22 next
Anyone come from m7 to s22?