As a kid, i always knew the walrus wanted to eat the oysters. But i didn't know the carpenter was angry because he didn't get any. I thought he was mad because he cared about them, and they were eaten. Funny how perspective changes.
ToastGeniePC indeed for one it makes sense of “why a walrus” and “why a carpenter”. A walrus is fairly amphibious so he has an easier time talking underwater. A carpenter for they need a place to eat since the sand was covering all the big, flat and smooth rocks.
I showed this to my kids today. They were shocked that something like this could once have been put in a children's movie. "You can't even find something this dark in most grown-up movies!"
😂this is on par with looney toons at best. It's a little dark but not what I'd consider mature. But then again I grew up on don bluth and gravity falls.
The reason why there is a red R in the March on the calendar is because of the pearl of wisdom that you should only eat Oysters in months with the letter R in them, as they're not as good during the summer months.
+Isaac Elkington Well its not exactly that they don't taste as good during the summer months, as much as the relatively high temperature of the summer can allow dangerous bacteria to thrive in the oysters, which depending on the specific strain of bacteria could make you either very ill or very dead...
Jwsponky Eh? I was stating a fact not an opinion, the myth comes from when oysters would spoil during the warmer months, now that we have refrigerators you can eat oysters regardless of the month, that's all i was saying no need to get salty. P.s opinions can't be wrong since they are subjective to that person's particular perspective, it simply doesn't make sense as a sentence.
when I was a kid I always though the carpenter got mad because he found out the Walrus killed the oysters , it's only now I find out it's because he missed out on eating them as well!
I fought something similar when I first saw this. Perhaps it's the Mandela effect where you remember it one way but it turned out it was the other way.
To be fair, thats just on the surface. In a more general sense, the moral is "Dont follow someone blindly just because they're charming and charismatic because he might not have your best interest in mind"
@@DanyRobertHunselar-sq3kpbut what is bread and dipping sauce without some oyster meat? To bite and chew and relish from the comfort of your seat? And isn’t that what he’s wanted to get between his teeth? Caloo! Calay! No oyster meat! He was robbed of his treat!
You'd think they'd be after that, my god, if they had only let those oysters mature they could have enough pearls for a necklace to sell and have money to buy all the fish in the sea
This scene actually made me hungry as a child, but as an adult, I now realize the creep factor. It's really empathized if you pay attention to the oysters' expressions throughout the lunch table scene.
Did Alice completely miss the moral of the story? Curiosity killed the cat is not just applicable to select species. Also, it's a double moral. The carpenter is an honest, hardworking man who deserves to eat while the walrus is a lazy glutton who hates work. The walrus uses trickery to cheat the carpenter of the meal he rightfully deserves. Furious, he becomes hell bent on murdering the walrus.
+GloomGuy Zii Agreed. The carpenter is still portrayed in a less evil, more neutral manner. The walrus not only cost the oysters their lives, he cheated the carpenter out of his meal. Killing the walrus is justice. I would do it too if we lived in a lawless society, and a lazy glutton stole from me.
It amazes me how much detail they put into their cartoons back then. Even running away at the end, footprints are made in the sand. Every frame drawn by hand!
They put the effort in because it was a tent-pole big budget feature. It's not like the big budget cartoons of today are any less detailed or pretty looking. And they had cheap shitty toons back then too, take your pick of any cheesy Hanna Barbara show from the 60s
I've always interpreted the song as meaning "don't let false prophets lead you astray, regardless of how good and kindly they might seem on the surface." or it could just flat out be about "Capitalism versus Communism"
Or, the youth getting sucked into wanting fame, etc (the star on the Walrus's butt) the carpenter could be society (we are deemed the village idiots) cheer it on try to help out dim wittedly .... and at the end... they just get eaten up.
One by one, he ripped each baby oyster from its shell and ate it. All in front of the rest of the horrified toddler oysters. I remember seeing this when I was little and told myself as consolation, the carpenter caught up with the fat shit and beat him to death with his hammer.
The way I interpreted this as a kid is that the walrus and the carpenter had been walking for a long time with no food and were starving, finding themselves lucky to come across the oysters, hence why the carpenter was so mad, the walrus had eaten them all and left the carpenter to starve
WOW. I just learnt why the Calendar’s letter ‘R’ flashes. I always thought it was a mess up. We can only eat oysters in months with the letter R in them. This was the alarm bell for the mother oyster not to let her kids go off with them.
It was the idea that the oysters would naturally be cold during shipping and before refrigeration. Now, we have refrigeration during storage, harvesting, and shipping.
When I was a kid I used to think that the carpenter was angry with the walrus because he'd eaten the oysters, but now I realize that it was because the walrus hadn't saved any for him!
The Carpenter was planning on eating all the Oysters himself, that's why he got excited and went to work right away. He was planning to do to the Walrus what the Walrus did to him. He underestimated the Walrus and the Walrus got the better of him, that's why he's mad..
@@Eternaldarkness3166 I'm under the impression that he planned to dine _with_ the Walrus. Viewed their relationship as a partnership, only to be proven terribly wrong.
the R in the word "March" on the mother oyster's calendar flashes. This alludes to the old adage about only eating oysters in a month with an R in its name.
I think that was actually the whole point of the story, period. Nothing made any sense in Wonderland, so Alice eventually is grateful for the fact that she can return to her own world.
in the original story, when the walrus used the walking stick to slam the mother oyster's shell shut, it rattled her brain so hard she had an aneurysm and died.
Likely not the original intention but IRL I've worked on cases where parents did basically bring their children to a known predator who then preyed on the kids for years before they got exposed (usually by the kid trying to self-delete themselves). Heck, modern Disney has been known to employ actual registered SOs which is pretty wild. Same stuff with drag queen story hour. Some people really should not be parents.
@@IveNeverStoodUpThe original goes: The eldest Oyster looked at him, But never a word he said: The eldest Oyster winked his eye, And shook his heavy head - Meaning to say he did not choose To leave the oyster-bed. But four young Oysters hurried up, All eager for the treat: Their coats were brushed, their faces washed, Their shoes were clean and neat - And this was odd, because, you know, They hadn't any feet.
Yeah, Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass are both pretty creepy stories, really. They feel a bit nightmarish at times, but since Alice was supposedly dreaming, it makes sense.
As a kid no I probably wasn't given I had no memory of it and traumatic events or cartoons or scenes that terrified us as children tend to stick. As an adult I see just how dark this is especially for Disney but they've gone way darker than this so.
Pat was such a talented man...to do the deep voice accent he often did and then the high pitched Crockney accent also...he was also great on the Twilight Zone too.😊😊
Yeah he was. I loved how he could do that! It was good in 101 Dalmatians where he could make his voice both deep and high pitched to show the fight scene at the barn, doing the deep barking and growling and the high pitched Cockney voice for both characters he voiced in the movie when they both met, The Col dog and Jasper.
Is it me or does the Walrus seem like the missing member of the group of manipulative, top hat-wearing, cane-twirling, smoking, anthropomorphic predators from "Pinocchio", with the likes of Honest John and Gideon?
+Kevin Petrak He actually was meant to be in that movie, but the Carpenter managed to get a hold of him. He isn't going to be doing any more appearances.
Not sure if anyone notice at 5:19... the knife, spoon etc are all HEAVILY twisted and bent... that shows all these baby oysters are not only eaten but BRUTALLY eaten! Theres no shell for the baby oysters to close themselves so..... its stabbing and squishing and squashing them one by one. Also the mother oyster supposedly has the free-will of opening and closing her shell, but only right after the walrus just "shuts" her up with a knock, she no longer is able to open at her free-will, shows that its not only as simple as it looks but the walrus most probably murdered the oyster mother just like that. It simply shows that as much as a mother would want to protect her child, when it comes to a predator who is charismatic, cunning and obviously stronger physically, not even a motherly figure can protect the child... which is a dark truth. Especially in regards to how pedophiles manipulated the child victim and the family; and may even resort to using brutality as a means to get things done even if it means eliminating the adult figure. All these strucks me so deep as a child and its truly dark. As i have seen way too many adult pedophiles who are so skillful and charismatic and seemingly kind. Even the entire family of the victim got convinced by the pedophile and just like the walrus, the pedophile can simply "shuts" up the adult figure anytime anywhere due to the ignorance of the adults or due to physical weakness or manipulation. Hopefully such tale can be a warning tool from schools to the students and parents. May there be lesser and lesser victims in this world.
This has always been one of my favorite Disney movies. Granted, it's like a huge drug trip, but it's still one of the most creative animated Disney features of all time. I also appreciate the fact that the filmmakers decided to combine both Lewis Carroll's "Alice in Wonderland" and "Alice Through the Looking Glass" in one movie. This is also another good example of a classic Disney film where the animation still holds up very well today.
Very interesting choice to have the antagonists of the tale come out into the light of the day from the darkness of the night; it lets you know immediately that they can't be trusted!
Alice is by far the cutest and has always been my favorite character of all time! I just love the way she laughs and giggles at the other characters throughout the entire film, and her response at the end to what they said about there being a moral always cracks me up, "Ah yes, a very good moral if you happen to be an oyster." hahaha! lolz :') I about died lmao!!XD
RocaDeearCenjar The second live action adaptation was more like the original book. Why? Because the guy who directed it (James Bobin) actually read the books.
the walrus "playing his cane" reminds me of the pied piper when he played his flute to lead all those mice to their death. the walrus is doing the same thing to those oysters
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum seemed to be the only characters in the whole movie that legitimately gave a **** about just what Alice was getting herself into chasing that White Rabbit without knowing just where it’d lead her. Unlike the Caterpillar and the Cheshire Cat, who were more passive and ambiguous with giving her some sort of short-term guidance (sometimes the wrong ones just to mess with her) the Tweedle twins’ non-backwards, cautionary story about being too curious for your own good, at least to me, made them the most likable characters in Wonderland (aside from the Doorknob and Bill the Lizard, whom I saw as a woobie flying all the way from Wonderland to Great Mouse Detective for 35 years). So when Alice promptly ignores their warnings it completely comes back to bite her once she gets to Tulgey Wood.
Watching this as an adult I realize how clever it was and also dark, like literally dark. The background is always black when she’s walking through wonderland, and it so unsettling. But beautiful.
Is it just me, or does this scene have undertones of abuse to children in it? By abuse, I mean a "man" taking "children" away so he can more than likely sexually abuse them and then kill them, in this sense, eat them. It just reminds me of the serial killer Albert Fish and what he did to children.
I think it might have more to do with the idea behind government corruption, hence the symbolism of the Walrus, being the big fat lazy business man vs the hard-working laborer, and how the business men always come out on top, no matter how hard the laborers work to accomish it.
Ryan Pratt in Dogma the movie Matt Damon's character says it symbolizes religions. Nun: Let me get this straight: you don't believe in God because of "Alice in Wonderland"? Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter," that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or, or with his tusks, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do? What do they do? They, they dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensures the destruction of one's inner being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions out of, out of fear of some, some intangible parent figure who, who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says, and says, "Do it... do it and I'll fuckin' spank you."
Ryan Pratt It reminds me of the kid's movie "Alice in Wonderland," and to me represents a story by Lewis Caroll turned into a silly song to go with a cute cartoon.
Wanna know something more crazy?! the voice of the walrus was also the voice of the king from sword in the stone and in that film he gets called a walrus!!!!!
the actor also voices the Colonel from 101 Dalmatians and even uses the same voice. Kind of strange hearing the greedy and manipulative Walrus voice come from the friendly it a bit dim Colonel
That pimp walk from the Walrus :p Always my favorite part of this movie alongside the Un-birthday! :D The funny thing is, I remember as a kid thinking the Carpenter wasn't wanting to eat the Oysters ( I know now he wanted to :p) but that's why I thought he was so pissed at the Walrus because he wanted to eat with them xD. Funny how perspectives can change.
I was literally about to comment on how the carpenter wasn't in on it in a different post. For some reason I didn't... Anyway this is me saying I just NOW realized he was. 23 years of living a lie....
Me and Mom will randomly burst into this song all the time. It usually happens after we've talked of shoes and ships and ceiling wax, of cabbages and kings, and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings.
That sound effect is called Hollowbomp Impact and it was used in Disney cartoons released before this film and it’s used in other projects not made by Disney. This is a link to all the projects it’s used in soundeffects.fandom.com/wiki/Hollywoodedge,_Hollowbomp_Impact_CRT030401
I used to feel sorry for the little oysters for being eaten. But now, I'm more sorry for the carpenter cause he worked so hard but gets screwed over by the walrus. Really fits to the society.
I mean I never got the actual message when I saw the film as a child. Then again, I was only around 5 or 6 at the time although I wouldn't really get the message until I seriously began thinking about this film again recently
I think everyone looking for a moral might be missing the point. The whole idea of Alice In Wonderland is that it's an acid trip where meaning and logic have taken a holiday.
Just learned about this in Zoology today and the S.I. mentioned this scene at 2:44. As a kid I would have never known that saxitoxin, from dinoflagellate blooms, would build up in filter-feeding bivalves and cause PSP (PlayStation Portable, jk, Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) if eaten usu. during months that don't have the letter R in them (i.e. May, June, July, etc.). Mind = Blown. Well done Disney for that R-rule reference.
To those who say this is too dark for children to see, I say they need to see dark things like this so they don't grow up ignorant and over sheltered to where they become like the little oysters and eagarly trust & follow those like the Walrus
When I was younger I thought the Carpenter was making food for everyone at the table and was angry that the Walrus ate his oyster friends....I didn't know he wanted to eat them too😂
I didn't remember this scene because I hadn't seen this movie in years, but when I saw the video's thumbnail, I got this sort of sick, disturbed feeling...now I remember why.
As a kid, i always knew the walrus wanted to eat the oysters. But i didn't know the carpenter was angry because he didn't get any. I thought he was mad because he cared about them, and they were eaten. Funny how perspective changes.
I think you can interpret it either way. It's supposed to be abstract and ambiguous.
Agreed, funny that.
Read the original. It's dark as hell
Well, you're smarter than I was, lol. I basically just heard noises and words. Haha.
A child's innocence for sure. Very different perspective
Got to admire the talent of the carpenter, building an entire restaurant in less than 10 seconds
Ikr, it would take me three years just to build the door!😄😄😄
Never understood why they ate the oysters when he already had a loaf of bread ready to go! they must have REALLY wanted some meat!
Back then Disney could build and entire empire in 10 seconds. Today's Disney will ruin an entire empire in 10 seconds and be (DIE) proud of it.
@@bongobongo985For real.
Cartoon logic for such skills from a carpenter.
Surprisingly, this is the most normal part of the film.
ToastGeniePC indeed for one it makes sense of “why a walrus” and “why a carpenter”. A walrus is fairly amphibious so he has an easier time talking underwater. A carpenter for they need a place to eat since the sand was covering all the big, flat and smooth rocks.
Probably because there's an actual structure and moral to it compared to the randomness of everything else.
What about the song in a world of my own that’s completely normal
@@changvasejarik62Walruses have no gills. They are mammals, like dewgongs and seals.
My parents: You should get a job
Me: WORK?! PHBULHULBL
😂😂😂
The time has come!
But you have to go to school before you work
I don’t want to work
I want to bang but the drum all day.
@@malzzzzification25kaloo kalay well eat today!
I showed this to my kids today. They were shocked that something like this could once have been put in a children's movie. "You can't even find something this dark in most grown-up movies!"
😂this is on par with looney toons at best. It's a little dark but not what I'd consider mature. But then again I grew up on don bluth and gravity falls.
@@makaylahall2664is Looney Tunes
The reason why there is a red R in the March on the calendar is because of the pearl of wisdom that you should only eat Oysters in months with the letter R in them, as they're not as good during the summer months.
+Isaac Elkington Well its not exactly that they don't taste as good during the summer months, as much as the relatively high temperature of the summer can allow dangerous bacteria to thrive in the oysters, which depending on the specific strain of bacteria could make you either very ill or very dead...
+Jwsponky Cabbages and Kings!!!!
***** Well, all are entitled to their own opinion, yours is wrong but you are entitled to it none the less
Jwsponky
Eh? I was stating a fact not an opinion, the myth comes from when oysters would spoil during the warmer months, now that we have refrigerators you can eat oysters regardless of the month, that's all i was saying no need to get salty. P.s opinions can't be wrong since they are subjective to that person's particular perspective, it simply doesn't make sense as a sentence.
+Ashley Sefton (AA Gaming) I repeat my previous statement
when I was a kid I always though the carpenter got mad because he found out the Walrus killed the oysters , it's only now I find out it's because he missed out on eating them as well!
Same!!!
Sammmee
I fought something similar when I first saw this. Perhaps it's the Mandela effect where you remember it one way but it turned out it was the other way.
Me too 😢
Well a child might think the bread and sauce is for the oysters to eat.
"And a very good moral, if you happen to be an oyster"
Cheeky little shit
Well...she's not wrong haha
To be fair, thats just on the surface. In a more general sense, the moral is "Dont follow someone blindly just because they're charming and charismatic because he might not have your best interest in mind"
Henrik Magnusson Perfectly explains Donald Trump
Quin Skew just couldn't resist by that logic Hillary fits too
Actually, one of the flaws some people had with Hillary is that she wasn't often seen as that charismatic compared to Bernie, Obama, or even Trump.
That bread and dip always looked so good
As my 68 years old mother actually said:"The carpenter still got bread and sauce"
finally someone said it!
@@DanyRobertHunselar-sq3kpbut what is bread and dipping sauce without some oyster meat?
To bite and chew and relish from the comfort of your seat?
And isn’t that what he’s wanted to get between his teeth?
Caloo! Calay! No oyster meat!
He was robbed of his treat!
For some reasons I always thought it tasted like spicy/peppery butter
@@NguyenJake-se3pm neat 😎
Mom: Do your chores
Me: *backs out the door* The time has come to talk of other things 😅😇
Cabbages anddddd kkkkkkkingsssssss
CAHLOOH, CAHLAEY NO WORK TODAY
WERE CABBAGES AND KIIIIIIIIINGS
I just now realized that the mother oyster's nose is a pearl.
You'd think they'd be after that, my god, if they had only let those oysters mature they could have enough pearls for a necklace to sell and have money to buy all the fish in the sea
This scene actually made me hungry as a child, but as an adult, I now realize the creep factor. It's really empathized if you pay attention to the oysters' expressions throughout the lunch table scene.
it’s legitimately disturbing
From hopeful, to confused to outright panicking
Did Alice completely miss the moral of the story? Curiosity killed the cat is not just applicable to select species. Also, it's a double moral. The carpenter is an honest, hardworking man who deserves to eat while the walrus is a lazy glutton who hates work. The walrus uses trickery to cheat the carpenter of the meal he rightfully deserves. Furious, he becomes hell bent on murdering the walrus.
+GloomGuy Zii Agreed. The carpenter is still portrayed in a less evil, more neutral manner. The walrus not only cost the oysters their lives, he cheated the carpenter out of his meal. Killing the walrus is justice. I would do it too if we lived in a lawless society, and a lazy glutton stole from me.
+TheNotverysocial well, she almost got it
+TheNotverysocial he should have eat the walrus and leave the oysters alone, we would all have be happy by that ahahhaha
Orestes202
I imagine that's what he eventually did. He was clearly going to catch up and murder him for his crime.
Well to be fair in the original the Carpenter WAS able to eat some of the Oysters.
R.I.P. J. Pat O'Malley (1904-1985) (Tweedledee, Tweedledum, The Walrus, The Carpenter and Mother Oyster).
He voiced some of the characters at once
Pelo menos ele já era bem velhinho
THE TIME HAS COME!!!!
"proceeds to smash through the front door and run for his life"
One of the best moments in the film 😂😂
It amazes me how much detail they put into their cartoons back then. Even running away at the end, footprints are made in the sand. Every frame drawn by hand!
That form of animation is dead now. Nothing but CGI today.
Yeah, you find cartoons nowadays take shortcuts. I saw one that the main character didn't cast a shadow as he walked to a shop (which HAD a shadow)!!!
Jupiter9099 really?
***** yeah.
They put the effort in because it was a tent-pole big budget feature. It's not like the big budget cartoons of today are any less detailed or pretty looking. And they had cheap shitty toons back then too, take your pick of any cheesy Hanna Barbara show from the 60s
This is just DARK. It's basically the story of two shady guys that kidnap and kill a bunch of toddlers.
Don't forget eating them...
I've always interpreted the song as meaning "don't let false prophets lead you astray, regardless of how good and kindly they might seem on the surface." or it could just flat out be about "Capitalism versus Communism"
Yes! Its great!
Or, the youth getting sucked into wanting fame, etc (the star on the Walrus's butt) the carpenter could be society (we are deemed the village idiots) cheer it on try to help out dim wittedly .... and at the end... they just get eaten up.
yeah or having other things done to them. i was fucking traumatized by this as a kid and i honestly STILL find it creepy as fuck
We'll sweep this clear in half a year, if you don't mind the work!
*WORK!?* PBULHUHUHBHL
+genuinesaucy LOL Brilliant!
That's like my brother. He reacts the same way when I suggest we work on something, lol
The walrus is my spirit animal most days.
I died reading this. 😂
LMAO!!!! How I feel everyday when I wake up to go to work.
Amazing that the Carpenter does everything, he's a construction guy, a waiter, and a cook.
And later a hunter of walruses
Carpenter should have started a restaurant
This scene is so dark when you think about it. It’s also been my favorite scene from the entire film ever since I was a kid.
Even though Alice dismisses it, it really has a good message for kids.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj Stranger danger.
"Oh yes a very good moral........*IF you happen to be an oyster*"
Rekt m8
Does make you look at an Oyster plate differently doesn't it?
I love the Walrus' attitude towards working.
Work?!?!
Paul Riet yeah he is lazy and selfish. He made the carpenter do all the work and ate all the oysters. Poor little things. 😭
PRHBBLBBLBHPHHBLBBL.
Groot More like Ted Cruz and the rest of the Tea Party 😂
The walrus was Paul
One by one, he ripped each baby oyster from its shell and ate it. All in front of the rest of the horrified toddler oysters. I remember seeing this when I was little and told myself as consolation, the carpenter caught up with the fat shit and beat him to death with his hammer.
The way I interpreted this as a kid is that the walrus and the carpenter had been walking for a long time with no food and were starving, finding themselves lucky to come across the oysters, hence why the carpenter was so mad, the walrus had eaten them all and left the carpenter to starve
WOW. I just learnt why the Calendar’s letter ‘R’ flashes. I always thought it was a mess up.
We can only eat oysters in months with the letter R in them. This was the alarm bell for the mother oyster not to let her kids go off with them.
It was the idea that the oysters would naturally be cold during shipping and before refrigeration. Now, we have refrigeration during storage, harvesting, and shipping.
I thought it was an innuendo for r4p3, given that this could mean that
@@mellamanluiselio6294oh my
When I was a kid I used to think that the carpenter was angry with the walrus because he'd eaten the oysters, but now I realize that it was because the walrus hadn't saved any for him!
I'm thinking the same thing. Luckily this scene didn't disturb me even a little bit
The Carpenter was planning on eating all the Oysters himself, that's why he got excited and went to work right away. He was planning to do to the Walrus what the Walrus did to him. He underestimated the Walrus and the Walrus got the better of him, that's why he's mad..
@@Eternaldarkness3166 I'm under the impression that he planned to dine _with_ the Walrus. Viewed their relationship as a partnership, only to be proven terribly wrong.
1:25 my reaction when someone mentions homework.
OMG YESSS!!!
Thegreatercheese are you an 11 year old boy?
Homework is worse than schedule ol
My recation to OJ Simpson being found not guilty for the murders of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.
XD
I always hated this part of the movie, because I felt sad about those cute oysters getting eaten :(
MegaBojan1993 At least, the walrus got a good beating from the carpenter, despite the fact he eats seafood too.
Fernando Ramos We don't know if he got a good beating or not. The carpenter maybe didn't manage to caught the walrus :)
MegaBojan1993 my poor friend she's a young oyster
Me too.
MegaBojan1993 same 😢
I never realized that the Walrus pretending to play a flute is a reference to the Pied Piper luring children to their demise.
the R in the word "March" on the mother oyster's calendar flashes. This alludes to the old adage about only eating oysters in a month with an R in its name.
May, June, July, and August were the months that red tide was common.
Dee, and dum represent the classic example of please don't leave, were sick of talking to each other
LMAO
THE TIME HAS COME!!
Change the subject
*****
thank ya
*****
Oh yes, very symbolic :D
Robby Koz *Bolts out of the house and into the middle of the night*
Dat Bastard Oni we're cabbages and kings! The end!
First rule of wonderland, logic does not exists.
I think that was actually the whole point of the story, period. Nothing made any sense in Wonderland, so Alice eventually is grateful for the fact that she can return to her own world.
Second rule of Wonderland.. we do not talk about Wonderland...
Exactly
Eternaldarkness3166. Yeah or else people will think that you’re crazy.
If i remember correctly the book was written by a mathematician who didn't like the direction that math was going in, which was why he wrote the book.
I just never got over how that oyster mom just let her kids go be eaten.
in the original story, when the walrus used the walking stick to slam the mother oyster's shell shut, it rattled her brain so hard she had an aneurysm and died.
@@IveNeverStoodUp how lovely lol when things couldn't get any darker haha
@@IveNeverStoodUpDamn that escalated quickly lmfao
Likely not the original intention but IRL I've worked on cases where parents did basically bring their children to a known predator who then preyed on the kids for years before they got exposed (usually by the kid trying to self-delete themselves). Heck, modern Disney has been known to employ actual registered SOs which is pretty wild. Same stuff with drag queen story hour. Some people really should not be parents.
@@IveNeverStoodUpThe original goes:
The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head -
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.
But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat -
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.
the fact that the oysters were eaten terrified me as a kid
Yeah, Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass are both pretty creepy stories, really. They feel a bit nightmarish at times, but since Alice was supposedly dreaming, it makes sense.
This is actually nature all over the world. Real walrusses eat oysters alive...
The oysters just looked tasty to me as a kid.
Symptom of psychopathy for me I guess. lol
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj naa! You are one of the few that realized oysters are good food.
As a kid, I actually wanted to see the walrus eat them.
I did not remember this at all. That is so dark and terrifying for a child or an adult.
As a kid no I probably wasn't given I had no memory of it and traumatic events or cartoons or scenes that terrified us as children tend to stick. As an adult I see just how dark this is especially for Disney but they've gone way darker than this so.
***** She never scared me just made me laugh. She's just so over the top it's impossible for me to be scared.
COWARD.
"You know, FOR KIDS."
Such a beta male
This is the thing about Alice In Wonderland. It is a very good and fun story. But it is also very dark at the same time.
Dreams don't typically have pleasant narratives when you think about them.
"THE TIME HAS COME!!!"
say it every time I use the bathroom.
*(Bursts out through the Door)*
Deaddy Fazpool. And the human banging, the walrus head with a hammer, like a Screw. Lol
Execute order 66
Sorry
😂 THAT'S FUNNY
Why were the oysters designed to be babies? That's horrifying.
They are sweetest and most tender.
That was the idea behind their design another form of stranger danger 😔😔😔😔
NightGallows and the mother was more like a grandmother
That’s how they’re depicted in the book lol
@@alyssa1086 by trouble you mean infanticide lol
Pat was such a talented man...to do the deep voice accent he often did and then the high pitched Crockney accent also...he was also great on the Twilight Zone too.😊😊
Yeah he was. I loved how he could do that! It was good in 101 Dalmatians where he could make his voice both deep and high pitched to show the fight scene at the barn, doing the deep barking and growling and the high pitched Cockney voice for both characters he voiced in the movie when they both met, The Col dog and Jasper.
the walrus is evil gobbled by two pink ones
Surprisingly, this didn't effect me as a child. Because My whole family eats clams, oysters, mussels, etc.
I like them too and I don't get upset one bit if I eat them. I only eat them once in a blue moon
if your children are enticed and eaten by bad guys, will u remember this movie?
I'm sure your family didn't eat tiny baby oysters that smiled and talked.
@@manuelorozco7760 That's a really rare opportunity for eating Oysters if you like them so much
BonBon Box Thanks
As a kid: ok he’s mad that he ate those poor little oysters.
As an adult: oh he’s mad that he didn’t get any oysters.
Is it me or does the Walrus seem like the missing member of the group of manipulative, top hat-wearing, cane-twirling, smoking, anthropomorphic predators from "Pinocchio", with the likes of Honest John and Gideon?
+Kevin Petrak He actually was meant to be in that movie, but the Carpenter managed to get a hold of him.
He isn't going to be doing any more appearances.
I think those characters are inspired by Honest John and Gideon.
Maybe the Dodo ALSO was part of that group, even if he used a pipe as opposed to a cigar, and one of those pirate hats as opposed to a top hat.
+The Toad King Thing is, Mac, this came out LONG after Pinocchio.
The Burlington Bertie hobo is a very common persona for a stereotypical conartist
Not sure if anyone notice at 5:19... the knife, spoon etc are all HEAVILY twisted and bent... that shows all these baby oysters are not only eaten but BRUTALLY eaten! Theres no shell for the baby oysters to close themselves so..... its stabbing and squishing and squashing them one by one.
Also the mother oyster supposedly has the free-will of opening and closing her shell, but only right after the walrus just "shuts" her up with a knock, she no longer is able to open at her free-will, shows that its not only as simple as it looks but the walrus most probably murdered the oyster mother just like that. It simply shows that as much as a mother would want to protect her child, when it comes to a predator who is charismatic, cunning and obviously stronger physically, not even a motherly figure can protect the child... which is a dark truth. Especially in regards to how pedophiles manipulated the child victim and the family; and may even resort to using brutality as a means to get things done even if it means eliminating the adult figure.
All these strucks me so deep as a child and its truly dark. As i have seen way too many adult pedophiles who are so skillful and charismatic and seemingly kind. Even the entire family of the victim got convinced by the pedophile and just like the walrus, the pedophile can simply "shuts" up the adult figure anytime anywhere due to the ignorance of the adults or due to physical weakness or manipulation.
Hopefully such tale can be a warning tool from schools to the students and parents. May there be lesser and lesser victims in this world.
i watched this in school
Tara World Oh, for pity's sakes. Another nanny trying to nanny the rest of us -__-! Get over it already.
I agree %100. Sadly, most are too ignorant and foolish too see the truth.
So true. 😂😂
True. Good but sad insights..
Walrus be like:
Work?! TRIGGERED
Your name though 😂😂 I love this comments section
Me be like: *loads pistol gun*
this scene always seemed a little dark to me as a child... well for a cartoon movie that is
standard disney really, although its much less macabre these days.
You needed to be prepared for the horrors of this world.
TheSealOfTheRose Like the death of the oysters!!!!!!! *breaks out in tears*
I thought the same thing. This was my least favorite part of the movie.
At least it wasn't like the 2 scenes with the Coachmans devil face or the Pleasure Island horror from Pinocchio.
This has always been one of my favorite Disney movies. Granted, it's like a huge drug trip, but it's still one of the most creative animated Disney features of all time. I also appreciate the fact that the filmmakers decided to combine both Lewis Carroll's "Alice in Wonderland" and "Alice Through the Looking Glass" in one movie. This is also another good example of a classic Disney film where the animation still holds up very well today.
“Yes, and there’s a very good moral...if you happen to be an oyster.”
Me *facepalm
No...Alice...CURIOSITY KILLED THE CAT!!! or oyster in this case
The cat comes later in the movie
Very interesting choice to have the antagonists of the tale come out into the light of the day from the darkness of the night; it lets you know immediately that they can't be trusted!
The walrus is like bender, his cigar still works underwater.
Bender from Futurama?
@@Nekogi2008 yes
@@Nekogi2008Bender from The Breakfast Club, during the infamous beach volleyball scene.
That’s a Very Good Question that Just Raises Further Questions !
The Moral is: Never trust a greedy Walrus.
The real morale is don't talk to strangers you will end up like the oysters 😔😔😔😔
Never trust kc and dang. They will stab you in the back then blame you for it. Lol
Morgan Jeffrey or eat all the oysters and leave you hungry
Better Yet Why do They Look Like Girls
I need to watch this when im high af seriously
the 60s in a nutshell
You mean '50s.
kryptonianpowers no 60s, that's when people did drugs while watching this
I may be 2 years late but here ruclips.net/video/Dn4SCyBmAOo/видео.html
I’m putting it on my bucket list xD
5:26 when nobody saves any donuts for you
When somebody ate all the chips
Alice is by far the cutest and has always been my favorite character of all time! I just love the way she laughs and giggles at the other characters throughout the entire film, and her response at the end to what they said about there being a moral always cracks me up, "Ah yes, a very good moral if you happen to be an oyster." hahaha! lolz :') I about died lmao!!XD
At what age
This damn song gets randomly stuck in my head all the time even though I haven't watched this movie in years
Gosh why do they have to be so cute!!!!!
AniMagix101 BUCAUSE TH3Y ARE THIS WAY
I was wondering that as well
Tufjhkhk
De racuerdo nada
I ask myself that about all animals.
SO that you hate the walrus even more.
This > The Tim Burton versions x 1,000,000
Fucks sake, is everything a competition to you people??
They're both great movies. End of story.
+Minckies FUCKS SAKE. YOU STILL HAVE HOPE FOR HUMANITY?!
good point
Burton never did an adaptation of Alice in Wonderland, he just made some weird fan fiction.
RocaDeearCenjar The second live action adaptation was more like the original book. Why? Because the guy who directed it (James Bobin) actually read the books.
the walrus "playing his cane" reminds me of the pied piper when he played his flute to lead all those mice to their death. the walrus is doing the same thing to those oysters
that's the point
Same!
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum seemed to be the only characters in the whole movie that legitimately gave a **** about just what Alice was getting herself into chasing that White Rabbit without knowing just where it’d lead her. Unlike the Caterpillar and the Cheshire Cat, who were more passive and ambiguous with giving her some sort of short-term guidance (sometimes the wrong ones just to mess with her) the Tweedle twins’ non-backwards, cautionary story about being too curious for your own good, at least to me, made them the most likable characters in Wonderland (aside from the Doorknob and Bill the Lizard, whom I saw as a woobie flying all the way from Wonderland to Great Mouse Detective for 35 years). So when Alice promptly ignores their warnings it completely comes back to bite her once she gets to Tulgey Wood.
Watching this as an adult I realize how clever it was and also dark, like literally dark. The background is always black when she’s walking through wonderland, and it so unsettling. But beautiful.
0:58
This part is referenced in Kingdom Hearts.
It's shown on the painting that leads to the section of the Lotus Forest with the white trinity.
the moral of the story is...never go anywhere with a walrus smoking a cigar
The moral is never let your curiosity kill you.
how do you smoke a cigar underwater?
SpongeBob logic..
Spot on...
Is it just me, or does this scene have undertones of abuse to children in it? By abuse, I mean a "man" taking "children" away so he can more than likely sexually abuse them and then kill them, in this sense, eat them. It just reminds me of the serial killer Albert Fish and what he did to children.
I think it might have more to do with the idea behind government corruption, hence the symbolism of the Walrus, being the big fat lazy business man vs the hard-working laborer, and how the business men always come out on top, no matter how hard the laborers work to accomish it.
Ryan Pratt in Dogma the movie Matt Damon's character says it symbolizes religions. Nun: Let me get this straight: you don't believe in God because of "Alice in Wonderland"?
Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter," that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or, or with his tusks, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do? What do they do? They, they dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensures the destruction of one's inner being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions out of, out of fear of some, some intangible parent figure who, who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says, and says, "Do it... do it and I'll fuckin' spank you."
Ryan Pratt It reminds me of the kid's movie "Alice in Wonderland," and to me represents a story by Lewis Caroll turned into a silly song to go with a cute cartoon.
Isaac Becerra Can you speak like you have a brain, please? It's "that" not "dat" Thank you, sir.
At least not like the disturbing scene from Pinocchio where they went to Pleasure Island.
"THE TIME HAS COME!"
(Bursts through door) vine: trying to run away from responsibilities like...
Parents: “You need to get some work”
Me: 1:24
The walrus and the carpenter remind me of the Fox and cat from Pinocchio. Anyone else?
Strange coincidence so yes I agree
Wanna know something more crazy?! the voice of the walrus was also the voice of the king from sword in the stone and in that film he gets called a walrus!!!!!
Frenzy LOL
Frenzy :0
the actor also voices the Colonel from 101 Dalmatians and even uses the same voice. Kind of strange hearing the greedy and manipulative Walrus voice come from the friendly it a bit dim Colonel
That pimp walk from the Walrus :p Always my favorite part of this movie alongside the Un-birthday! :D The funny thing is, I remember as a kid thinking the Carpenter wasn't wanting to eat the Oysters ( I know now he wanted to :p) but that's why I thought he was so pissed at the Walrus because he wanted to eat with them xD. Funny how perspectives can change.
+Nick Santillo (Nickywhat) so sad that also naive oysters were eaten alive
lol
Me too!
I was literally about to comment on how the carpenter wasn't in on it in a different post. For some reason I didn't...
Anyway this is me saying I just NOW realized he was. 23 years of living a lie....
lmao me tooooo
Me and Mom will randomly burst into this song all the time. It usually happens after we've talked of shoes and ships and ceiling wax, of cabbages and kings, and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings.
LOL!
5:27 *T H E T I M E H A S C O M E*
(5:27) THE TIME HAS COME!!!
This funny part with the chase scene cracks me up, laughing hard everytime.
Oh yes, yes, the time *has* come...
*To get your face hammered!!*
I just watched genocide in the form of a cartoon.
infanticide...
It's fine because it was in a song. All crimes are better when sung.
James Curry yeah
SJW
+Hrishi Venkatesh: Except for Lizzie Borden. Yikes.
THE TIME HAS COME! *smash*
🎶WITH CABBAGES AND KINGS🎶
the end
Lma9
1:49 And thus a great cartoon sound effect was born.
and this one 5:23
You talk about the "POOM !" when he receives the hammer on his butt ?😂😂😂 Damn i love that one so much LOL Really cheezy & ridiculous as f*ck^^
Pvc tube hit flat with hand
That sound effect is called Hollowbomp Impact and it was used in Disney cartoons released before this film and it’s used in other projects not made by Disney. This is a link to all the projects it’s used in soundeffects.fandom.com/wiki/Hollywoodedge,_Hollowbomp_Impact_CRT030401
Old English society has never been summed up better than this sketch right here.
I used to feel sorry for the little oysters for being eaten. But now, I'm more sorry for the carpenter cause he worked so hard but gets screwed over by the walrus. Really fits to the society.
If one goes by the original version of this poem, the Carpenter's only mad because the Walrus didn't leave any oysters for him to eat.
+CJCroen1393 that's exactly why the carpenter is mad in Disney's, dude
tf??? this is demented. anyway that bread and soup looked scrumptious i want some
fartbrein
This scene makes me crave seafood.
That's not soup that's dipping sauce 🍴🍴🍴🍴🍴
@@jessicastiner2123 pepper, salt and vinegar based apparently
@@TheShinySnivyew
Top 10 Anime Betrayals for sure.
So, no one wants to tell Alice that was a stranger danger story? OK, cool.
Hey my mom told me as a child that’s what the story was about 😂
I think that was the point, she never got any of the lessons until the end.
I mean I never got the actual message when I saw the film as a child. Then again, I was only around 5 or 6 at the time although I wouldn't really get the message until I seriously began thinking about this film again recently
"Oh yes a very good moral! If you happen to be an oyster."
It goes for all my dear. It goes for all.
Alice: Madness Returns will always be in my mind, whenever someone mentions the walrus and the carpenter. :/
Alyson Rodrigues That's exactly why I'm here lol Just got to them in the game..great game BTW!
I love hearing the voice of the mother oyster.
As a kid I felt sorry for her because by the time she managed to get herself unstuck she would know what had happened to her babies 😢
@@jarlairess Oh yes.
i love the walrus’s voice especially when he gets to the “and when the sea is boiling hot” part of the story/song
@@Gojira-ri6rj Yes.
@@Gojira-ri6rj Yes.
I think everyone looking for a moral might be missing the point. The whole idea of Alice In Wonderland is that it's an acid trip where meaning and logic have taken a holiday.
well if cant have oysters for dinner, he can make himself a walrus burger
For the longest time I thought the walrus was the only one who wanted to eat them and that the carpenter was actually trying to invite them.
Just learned about this in Zoology today and the S.I. mentioned this scene at 2:44. As a kid I would have never known that saxitoxin, from dinoflagellate blooms, would build up in filter-feeding bivalves and cause PSP (PlayStation Portable, jk, Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) if eaten usu. during months that don't have the letter R in them (i.e. May, June, July, etc.). Mind = Blown. Well done Disney for that R-rule reference.
lessons learned:
1. Be wary of smooth talking strangers
2. Be wary of those who don't actually work
Amen.
5:28 used to quote this all the time back in elementary school all the time.
So did me and my friend lol. I wonder how many kids around the world did that. I loved randomly shouting "the time has come!" and then running off.
i’ll definitely be using that line a bit in the future
THE TIME HAS COME TO RUN AND HIDE
AND MUCH FEAR TO BE HAD
I'VE HAD MY FILL AND THO QUITE GLAD
THE CARPENTER HAD NONE AND NOW HE'S MAD
BAHAHAHAHA I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING
WE'RE CABBAGES!
AND!
KINGS!!!!
The end.
At 5:22,
That awkward moment when the apprentice overpowers the leader...
To those who say this is too dark for children to see, I say they need to see dark things like this so they don't grow up ignorant and over sheltered to where they become like the little oysters and eagarly trust & follow those like the Walrus
When I first heard this song I had no idea what sealing wax was, so I thought it was something used to wax the ceiling.
When I was younger I thought the Carpenter was making food for everyone at the table and was angry that the Walrus ate his oyster friends....I didn't know he wanted to eat them too😂
Who else is here Bc this scene randomly popped up in their mind😂😅
THE TIME HAS COME!!!!!!!
😂😂😂
The faces on the oysters during the table scene is actually kind of disturbing.
5:27 cracks me up even more now than it did when I was a kid!!
The carpenter's angry face is priceless!
It's pretty cool J Pat O'Malley voiced half of these characters in this story
I didn't remember this scene because I hadn't seen this movie in years, but when I saw the video's thumbnail, I got this sort of sick, disturbed feeling...now I remember why.