I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.
I feel your pain mate, as a fellow retiree, I’d suggest you look into passive index fund investing and learn some more. For me, I had my share of ups and downs when I first started looking for a consistent passive income so I hired an expert advisor for aid, and following her advice, I poured $30k in value stocks and digital assets, Up to 200k so far and pretty sure I'm ready for whatever comes..
@@Elliot-Ivan The crazy part is that those advisors are probably outperforming the market and raising good returns but some are charging fees over fees that drain your portfolio. Is this the case with yours too?
It is a difficult choice. I have been to both countries. I think I like Mendoza better. Mountains and arid climate (Ut) were my home for almost 40 years. The stability of Uruguay is a factor but I guess a person could just leave if it gets too sketchy in Argentina. I do hope the new President keeps making huge improvements, Argentina has a lot more diversity in its people and is geography. Thank you!
@@monica961960 That's interesting to know. I am Swedish and live in a countryside house together with my Spanish-born wife and Argentine-born mother-in-law. I am retired as well as my mother-in-law, but my wife works online with courses for female entrepreneurs. We are now planning to move to the Mendoza region in 2025, and I know my mother-in-law had talked about buying some land, while my wife and I prefer moving to a flat in central Mendoza. Long story short, I just wonder what prices for a small piece of land my mother-in-law can expect?
Mendoza has major SKI RESORTS!! and the wineries are top notch! right there is the one that's been chose the best in the world for 3 consecutive years! you have UNESCO heritage places and, of course, the main gate to Chile! which is at a car drive and a few songs away. Also Mendoza is where Argentinians get the best fruit from! there are grapes, pears, apricots, olives, avocado, plum of various types, peach, and much more!
Perhaps I missed it but did you compare the interest differences between living in Buenos Aires and Montevideo. Buenos Aires has so much more to offer architecturally and culturally than Montevideo. In fact some travel experts consider Montevideo to be somewhat boring in comparison.
Yes, we mentioned the huge difference in the social and cultural life between both cities. Montevideo (and Uruguay) is a very laidback place compared to the BAs
Your comparisons are confined to fairly affluent lifestyles. My interest would be to compare a frugal minimalistic studio rental - in Mendoza City center perhaps as my preferred lifestyle - and what 'that' can be had for ? 🤔
"My interest would be to compare a frugal minimalistic studio rental" That is an interesting suggestion. We started to apply it in other videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/G4TD3QHsuyM/видео.htmlsi=Cd5kSrxB8jJuBDXG
@@the_expat ''you'' - are full of 💩according to International Living calculator ! Bucaramanga is 1.5 times more expensive than Mendoza ? --- Which is what I asked you for to begin with (?) - AND - you ignored.
So if I have $100,000 dividend and investment annual income, I will pay $15,000 less in Uruguay than Argentina each year for the first 11 years? That's $1,250 per month. Now you have to compare an $800/month residences in Argentina against a $2,050/month residence in Uruguay to see which is the better place to live. I have a feeling it will be Uruguay all the way for almost everyone.
True, if you have dividends to consider, and money is your priority, but there are other ways of looking at it, which are talked about in the video. We will move from Sweden to sunny Mendoza in the first half of 2025.
Great video. I like the criteria you use and how you explain the cities. I’d love to see this evaluation of more cities in Argentina and Uruguay as we are headed there this fall.
Have you ever done a ferry from Buenos Aires to Montevideo? If so what's the experience like? I also see there's a ferry from Buenos Aires to Punta del Este, so Maldonado might be an option on that front too (especially since the Buenos Aires airport is so much more connected than Montevideo).
Great video. I heard today that to get residency in Uruguay it requires taking a bunch of vaccines. I had not heard this before. Can you confirm if this is the case? thanks.
👋🏼 Small struggling Travel Channel here. I love your content, thanks for this great video! You inspire me to keep grinding my channel, maby one day I’ll grow as big as you 🥲
@@gerard6855 So it seems. But I may be able to convince someone to get to Uruguay with me. She has the completely outmoded idea that Argentina is dangerous. I cannot convince her that the Argentina of today is not the same as it was 45 years ago when she was a kid. Back then, the CIA ran the place and things were pretty rough. But she cannot understand that today, Argentina is safer than most US cities.
@@CCoburn3 Argentina may be safer than some places but it depends in what part of Argentina and what part of usa ... now Chile dangerous any place you go you have to be careful , since we are born we have to be careful , that is life and the nature . regards gerard .
better or best option for a retired person is to go to live to mar del plata mendoza or cordoba . in mdp you can buy an apartment in down town 2 bed rooms about 50m2 for $60.000 to $90.000 dollars that is in 2024 .
I was thinking the same because i was interested to retire there and was reading a while ago that Argentina has worldwide income taxes, also on pensions. I life now in Thailand and they want to start next year as well with worldwide income taxes and im not going to do that, so im looking for a new country that does not. Im a Swiss btw.
Another consideration might be which is more likely to grant citizenship. What I have heard is that Argentina will eventually grant citizenship to long-term residents but Uruguay will not, even if someone follows all of their rules for eligibility.
Argentina for more than 200 hundred years wellcome people from any country. any nationality and they will give you documents so you can work legally . gerard
I would say little advantage in either country, rental accomodation primary social disaster, and food,, you cant live in a restaurant, I see vibrant youth and struggling seniors everywhere. I come away with a shudder to live the risk.
Uruguay or Argentina: What is your opinion about which one is better? If you are interested in South America, check also our video about *the 10 cheapest big cities to retire in South America* here: ruclips.net/video/G4TD3QHsuyM/видео.htmlsi=oxpVqTR8w1AKJXoj
I’m originally from Las Vegas, but visiting Mar del Plata now. The question is: how can a 44yr old like me stay in Argentina longer than the 30daysVOA+30days extension?
Just what vidisibilla said 1 day to a other country (uruguay, chile etc) and back, could make it a nice weekend to enjoy. Other option is just go immigraciones for a extension it cost you some money but is very cheap. When i came to Argentina i did the first time via a day trip to colonia with buqeubus and the second via immigraciones extension.
wrong data: Buenos Aires and Montevideo aren't similar in terms of security Buenos Aires with 2,8 homicides/100K inhabitants is the second safest capital in entire America, just behind Ottawa in Canada, Montevideo with 11,5 homicides/100K inhabitants is one of the most violent cities in South America and obviously insecures zones of Montevideo r more dangerous than Buenos Aires ones sorry, after watching first part of vid, I stoped keeping on watching, huge lack of true information....
source? that is absurdly wrong and only true if youre comparing bad parts of montevideo to Recoleta or something absurd. apples to apples you are completely wrong.
@@TedrosDelito "en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)" source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá) tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86"
source: elpais cr buenos aires se presenta como la ciudad mas segura de America Latina just check it out.....
@@TedrosDelito "en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)" source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá) tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86"
source: elpais buenos aires se presenta como la ciudad mas segura de America Latina just check it out.....
@@TedrosDelito "en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)" source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá) tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86" just check it out.....
@@TedrosDelito "en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)" source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá) tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86"
source: elpais cr buenos aires se presenta como la ciudad mas segura de America Latina just check it out.....
I just wanna say thank you for doing this video and it really would be great if you could do even more I’m seriously thinking about leaving United States or at least coming to another country and maybe becoming a permanent resident or at least living there part of the year every year, I am a semi retired military veteran with Seven net income month after taxes. And I’m thinking about maybe starting over meeting the younger and getting married again and it’s a place that women that truly embrace being women and do it with pride in America, too much bad has been taught too many lies have poison so many minds in this country. I don’t doubt that we will fix it but at the same time I wanted to try something different so this video really help me out. You seem like a really awesome person and I wish you well. May the Lord bless you and everything you do as well as your family and please keep making these videos you sound like you probably be a pretty cool person to meet and I like your video a lot thanks a lot.
I am an older veteran and am making plans to retire in Argentina. I have researched many countries and what the countries have to offer. I look at weather, crime, water quality, air quality, infrastructure, food source, culture, value, food and especially the quality of medical care. Argentina is not a developing country or third world country. It is developed,cultured and educated but due to the political leaders they have gone through economic instability. As for loving or respecting America (USA), that will depend on you. Your mindset and how you treat people. You are in their country so you should earn their respect first. However, there is a country close by to Argentina that really love America and that is Paraguay. They celebrate every American holiday including Saint Patrick’s Day! Lol! Very sweet! They love to celebrate and party so much they sell party goods in almost all their stores. Paraguayans have the most laid back temperament of all the Latin American countries. Very sweet! Paraguay is a country I would not rule out but I like the high quality Medical care in Argentina. I respect the Argentinian people very much. Most countries that go through economic turmoil have high crime rates but compared to the economic turbulence they have encountered the crime rate is very low. I believe it has to do with their morality and character. I really love that. Women in Argentina and Paraguay and other South American countries are much more traditional and conservative Christians. The Philippines is great for Americans with a limited monthly income and can find younger women. Since you are a Christian man I hope you will find a lovely Christian woman with whom you share values with and will be your life partner. I hope you don’t try to look too hard or pressure yourself in finding a wife because that’s when you can overlook red flags and not make the best decision. Pray and make your desires known to God and trust Him to bring her into your life. Much blessings to you in your future endeavors!
Expats paying tax in Argentina! . That truly is a WILD idea! what are you thinking when suggesting you have to pay tax in Argentina as an expat?? (person who receives money from abroad). Never heard of and I guess that if so, it means a very, VERY, poor financial planning on your side! Argentina will tax you if you make mone FROM WITHIN the country, or if you are a naturalized that runs a business, but not for pension or capital that has already being taxed elsewhere, as long as you are able to justify the origin of the funds.
BS. In Argentina you pay taxes on your global income. If you withdraw money from a non taxed retirement account (IRA) or social security account then you pay taxes on that. And if you are a fiscal resident in Argentina then you pay taxes on that income in Argentina. Plus Argentina has no double taxation treaty with USA
@@guillesrl7569 Your assumptions are correct. Although, that's not the way it's done. Nobody does it like that, period. There are other ways (legan and gray) and no, you don't pay taxes on your money that comes from the foreign if it meets certain criteria, and it's very easy to do. Not to be explained in a YT comment. All I said is absolutely true.
What a simplistic and superficial "analysis"... Buenos Aires is a massive city that changes a thousand times through your taxi window; Montevideo is a City that's stuck in the 1950s, with improvements only in the touristic areas. Buenos Aires' is an eclectic culture and more influenced by the rest of the world, Montevideo is more "local", and no shame in this, just mind that the talks aren't gonna be as "rich" in average. Montevideo is to go have a peaceful life and enjoy free time in a nice place, Argentina, is for continuing in an endless "discovery" of new things. Argentina has "the world" within its borders (not that you can't make the trip from Montevideo, of course) and the decision strongly depends on what your expectation for a "full" life really is. Then, re-run the numbers, because it's no straight-on numbers, but what you get for your money.
What country would be good for an older guy that’s in good shape and doesn’t look his age that would be looking maybe to me younger woman that wants to have a family to embrace the good things about being a woman and acting like a woman and appreciate what is about the traditional sense andwhat countries would be good for somebody that’s a Christian and takes it seriously not an overly stated way, but in a genuine way just thinking about questions that I’m asking and what’s important to me so if anybody knows a good answer or has any advice or thoughts would be great appreciate it
Sorry man, TOTALLY WRONG ! You cannot compare Punta del Este with Mendoza, totally different, and you missed it. Punta del Este is where every Argentinian wants to be, and only very rich ones goes there. Hollywood actors and famous people visit Punta del este, and there is even a TRUMP TOWER. it's the Saint Tropez from South America, nothing to do with Mendoza. Cost of living is also WRONG! Uruguay is minimum 5 times more expensive than Argentina to live. I was October and November 2023 and everything was much expensive than in Europe. I guess products at supermarkets are much expensive than in Switzerland, where they are very expensive. Owning a car is very expensive in Uruguay, used car can be 10 times the price of USA, new can be 2 times, with oil much expensive in Uruguay than in Germany, Spain, France, and so on, like 2 dollars 1 litre, which in Argentina is many times cheaper. Not to mention Punta del este is on the Atlantic ocean with lot of beaches and surf lifestyle, nothing to do with Mendoza wines plantation. And then you compare Montevideo with Buenos Aires, a city with 1,5 millions in his metropolitan area with one that probably is near 20 million people. And yes, Montevideo is much expensive to live than Buenos Aires, many times, a restaurant is much expensive than Europe. But for 900 dollars you dont find this apartment there, I'm sure, 400€ you rent just a room. Mendoza can be for a normal retired, Uruguay is for rich people, retired or not.
I’m Argentinian and I would never in my life go to Punta del Este. Super expensive and horrible beaches. It’s just the place where Argentinians choose to do their money laundering since the 70s/80s. And when you say “there’s even a Trump Tower” that has to be the most Uruguayan comment ever.
@@adrianb3868 Wrong, I'm not Uruguayan. And the beaches in Punta del este are beautiful, something Mendoza has not. Even better than mar del plata or any location in Argentina. They were too cold for me for November, but in January it's OK. Brazil has much better beaches than Uruguay, off course, and many other places.
@@Corlione I never said you were Uruguayan, you just said a very Uruguayan thing, like claiming they have 4 World Cups. And I never said the beaches in Argentina were good, they are in fact a bit worse than in Punta del Este. You on the other hand, said every Argentinian wants to be there, which is false.
Punta Del Este and the entire country of UY is full of Gaslighting Predator Robbers/Scammers including All Lawyers. Good luck finding a lawyer that doesn't scam you.
I don’t understand why these comparisons rarely talk about one of the most consequential factors: political stability. Argentina is a mess. Who in their right mind would ignore something with such a major impact on stability and peace of mind? It’s not simply about money.
We actually mentioned social issues in the first half of the video. It is true, Argentina is not the most stable country, however, this opens an opportunity for those who earn in stronger currency.
@@the_expat My apologies if this was discussed. I apparently missed it. Anyway, on the subject of currency, I’ve heard that in Argentina you can exchange currencies at more favorable rates in the black market. And while that might be tolerated, is it really a smart or viable long-term strategy? And does that in effect place you on the wrong side of the law? If someone wishes to relocate to another country, how can anyone suggest, with a straight face, that they should plan to conduct financial business that way? And to wrap up the conversation on ‘social issues’, there are many facets to that end. There’s the political mess that Argentines have brought unto themselves with their move toward authoritarianism, and there are financial factors such as inflation that is still running over 100% (when I last checked). It suffices to say that I think it should have weighed more heavily in your final analysis. But I now seeing that you have other videos featuring Argentina it begs the question: are you biased toward Argentina? Is that where you currently reside, or originally came from?
@texaszag8748 the video focuses on those who will be living with foreign currencies. The inflation rate is only a factor for Argentines who must live on pesos.
@@johnhamilton2914 You missed my point. Besides, if you were to relocate to Argentina, for instance, you’d have to convert your currency to do business in your new home country. Exchange rates are important insofar as it is a determinant of whether or not you have the resources on hand to afford living in that new location, but it has nothing to do with inflation at any given point in time. My point was that in Argentina you could get a more favorable exchange rate on the black market, which in my way of thinking puts you on the wrong side of the authorities. Exchanging at the actual rate makes the move less affordable. Inflation is a measure of price increases over time and while it may affect the exchange rate, it is not the currency exchange rate.
@@texaszag8748 I guess I understood the video to be about retiring there not doing business there, so that's what I'm referring to. Doing business in Argentina has way too many challenges to be worth it imo. For an ex pat with dollars retired an easy decision.
Oh man!! THERE ARE NO FAVELAS IN ARGENTINA (and, I believe, neither in Uruguay). Yo have slums and poverty, but favelas is a whole different thing!! to clarify: there are no areas governed by mafias or armed civilians (some may say Rosario, but not really, the thing is very minor in comparison), and the narcs are a minor problem (as for now). Words trigger GOOGLING, "the expat", be careful with your descriptions 🤦♂
@@the_expat I'll give you that you can mistake them if not familiar, by the way they look from afar maybe but no, they are not similar in what really matters. I'll clarify, because it's important for whom may want to actually visit. Favelas are the aftermath of paramilitary groups. HEAVILY ARMED leaders rule over a parallel "state", that can only be raided by THE ARMY (now they have a special taskforce for that). They are poor populations ruled by heavily armed war lords; that is what DEFINES the favelas. It's VERY MISLEADING, especially for those abroad, to relate regular shanty areas in Argentina to FAVELAS, when the so called "villas miseria" (misery villes) are functionally integrated to the cities and can even call 911 if they need help. Of course the "villas miseria" in Argentina have a high crime rate, some more than others, that is sadly true, but they are subdued under the police force and are not heavily armed or anything like that. Favelas = governed by paramilitary forces, "villa miseria" underprivileged people that are guarded by the same police as in the rest of the city (with more precaution, of course 😬)Cheers!
My wife says both countries are racist(she's Colombian.) Most of us are aware of Argentina's history with the Nazi's. Her most salient example is that neither country has ever had a Afro-American on their soccer teams. Are there racial issues in either country?
"Her most salient example is that neither country has ever had a Afro-American on their soccer teams." Argentina never had an afro-american in theri team because they didn't have slavery, therefore the black population there is super small. It is the same reason Mongolia never had a black in their football team.
Totally wrong about Uruguay (and I think Argentina too). They already had Afro-American soccer players in their national team 100 years ago. The reason there are fewer black soccer players than in other countries is that they are only 2% of the population and soccer is almost a religion in Uruguay, so every white kid also wants to be a soccer player.
I am age 70 and in good health, and debt free, and have a monthly income of $9,000 USD per month also I save about 6K per month. I have $300K in a Credit Union CD. I believe the USD will drop up to 70% in the next 2-3 years so can you give me a few choices to put my money safer than the USD and where I can get a decent interest of return.
The grass is not greener on the other side! Warning to all those who plan to retire in other countries! You will need to take into consideration the fact that as an American you are familiar with America and the place that you are going to is not familiar to you. All these descriptions of wonderful beaches eternal sunshine and cheap prices are attractive. But you need to be aware of the following problems that you are likely to encounter. 1. You will need much more money than they tell you. You are already used to a certain way of life that requires money. You would want to buy a car and you would want to go to shows, concerts and other forms of entertainment. 2. If you don't know the language it will be easy to overcharge and cheat you. They tend to charge you more if you are an American, and they will know that you are an American. You will stand out like a sore thumb unless you are the type that melts in the crowd. 3. You will have to deal with a flawed and painfully slow bureaucracy, which is much less efficient than in the U.S. and you can easily fall into despair. You will have to fill out so many forms and wait in long lines. 4. If you are impressed by the beaches and the sunshine everywhere, let me tell you that you will not go to the beach every day. In many of these locations it rains in the summer, sometimes for more than two weeks non-stop. 5. Most of these countries are hot, humid and very uncomfortable. And if you go to the northern countries of Europe or Asia it will be very cold. And don’t forget the pollution and the contaminated air that you will breathe. 6. Services in most countries are not as reliable as they are in the U.S. They will not give you your money back for flawed service. 7. Crime is widespread almost everywhere and believe me, it's worse than in the U.S. 8. Health care is much inferior to that of the U.S. You might need additional insurance and that costs a lot of money. Worse, you will have to wait months to see a specialist. 9. Not knowing the language will cause you to be unable to communicate and you will be lonely. 10. Prepare to have numerous interruptions in the supply of electricity, internet and sometimes even water. 11. If you are looking for a woman, you might be trapped when she would marry you only for your money. She might also expect you to support her family. This happens in many traditional countries like Thailand and others. 12. Visa regulations can change very often and you might have to leave the country instantly. 13. Please be aware of the fact that Americans are NOT welcome everywhere and you might become a victim of scams, theft or violence. 14. Most of these countries, especially Asian are very dirty and you will not be able to enjoy street food. 15. People that will serve you will always expect TIP no matter how small the service is, especially since you are an American. You will not be able to avoid it and if you do, they will hate you. 16. Hot countries like Malaysia and Indonesia have numerous insects, lizards, scorpions and poisoned snakes in addition to flies that will drive you crazy. You will spend long time trying to kill them. IN SHORT, THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU GO. There are so many good things in America that you are taking for granted now. Take my advice, stay where you are or move to another location in America. Be smart and thrifty customer and don't buy anything that you don't need. If you want to visit other countries, take a trip once in a while. Don't make the mistake of your life. Moving alone costs a fortune and there will be many documents to read and sign. Stay in good old America, even if the prices are high, our politics sucks and you don't like Trump. Remember, all Western countries are very expensive, while the Non-European ones are neither safe, nor clean. So don't be tempted and stay put! The only time I would recommend moving to another country is if you have family or friends who will help protect you from horrible things that might happen. Kapisce? Good luck!
I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.
I feel your pain mate, as a fellow retiree, I’d suggest you look into passive index fund investing and learn some more. For me, I had my share of ups and downs when I first started looking for a consistent passive income so I hired an expert advisor for aid, and following her advice, I poured $30k in value stocks and digital assets, Up to 200k so far and pretty sure I'm ready for whatever comes..
@@Elliot-Ivan That's actually quite impressive, I could use some Info on your FA, I am looking to make a change on my finances this year as well
@@YinusaSaheed My advisor is VICTORIA CARMEN SANTAELLA;
You can look her up online
@@Elliot-Ivan The crazy part is that those advisors are probably outperforming the market and raising good returns but some are charging fees over fees that drain your portfolio. Is this the case with yours too?
It is a difficult choice. I have been to both countries. I think I like Mendoza better. Mountains and arid climate (Ut) were my home for almost 40 years. The stability of Uruguay is a factor but I guess a person could just leave if it gets too sketchy in Argentina. I do hope the new President keeps making huge improvements, Argentina has a lot more diversity in its people and is geography. Thank you!
best option is Argentina mar del plata mendoza or cordoba .
I bough 2 acres of land in Maipu,Mendoza
@@monica961960 congratulations , gerard
@@monica961960 That's interesting to know. I am Swedish and live in a countryside house together with my Spanish-born wife and Argentine-born mother-in-law. I am retired as well as my mother-in-law, but my wife works online with courses for female entrepreneurs. We are now planning to move to the Mendoza region in 2025, and I know my mother-in-law had talked about buying some land, while my wife and I prefer moving to a flat in central Mendoza. Long story short, I just wonder what prices for a small piece of land my mother-in-law can expect?
Mendoza has major SKI RESORTS!! and the wineries are top notch! right there is the one that's been chose the best in the world for 3 consecutive years! you have UNESCO heritage places and, of course, the main gate to Chile! which is at a car drive and a few songs away.
Also Mendoza is where Argentinians get the best fruit from! there are grapes, pears, apricots, olives, avocado, plum of various types, peach, and much more!
That is true. Thanks for the comment!
your right i care about eating good food .
@@the_expat how far is it to the coast
@@rjh2772 Too far I'm afraid 🙂
Perhaps I missed it but did you compare the interest differences between living in Buenos Aires and Montevideo. Buenos Aires has so much more to offer architecturally and culturally than Montevideo. In fact some travel experts consider Montevideo to be somewhat boring in comparison.
Yes, we mentioned the huge difference in the social and cultural life between both cities. Montevideo (and Uruguay) is a very laidback place compared to the BAs
plus Argentina is cheaper to live + has mdp cordoba mendoza and in the south snow.
TAL. CUAL. UNA. AMIGA. RUSA. ESTUVO. EN. URUGUAY. X. 6. MESES. Y. SE. ABURRIO. Y. SE. FUE. A. VIVIR. A. CORDOBA 😂😂😂. Y. ME. COMENTO. Q. URUGUAY. ES. UN. PAIS. PARA. JUBILADOS😂😂😂😂
Boring and much safer. I'm okay with that.
@@emilyrizzo9769 What fantastic punctuation.
Your comparisons are confined to fairly affluent lifestyles. My interest would be to compare a frugal minimalistic studio rental - in Mendoza City center perhaps as my preferred lifestyle - and what 'that' can be had for ? 🤔
"My interest would be to compare a frugal minimalistic studio rental" That is an interesting suggestion. We started to apply it in other videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/G4TD3QHsuyM/видео.htmlsi=Cd5kSrxB8jJuBDXG
@@the_expat ''you'' - are full of 💩according to International Living calculator ! Bucaramanga is 1.5 times more expensive than Mendoza ? --- Which is what I asked you for to begin with (?) - AND - you ignored.
So if I have $100,000 dividend and investment annual income, I will pay $15,000 less in Uruguay than Argentina each year for the first 11 years? That's $1,250 per month. Now you have to compare an $800/month residences in Argentina against a $2,050/month residence in Uruguay to see which is the better place to live. I have a feeling it will be Uruguay all the way for almost everyone.
True, if you have dividends to consider, and money is your priority, but there are other ways of looking at it, which are talked about in the video. We will move from Sweden to sunny Mendoza in the first half of 2025.
Great video. I like the criteria you use and how you explain the cities. I’d love to see this evaluation of more cities in Argentina and Uruguay as we are headed there this fall.
best place for me is mdp mendoza cordoba
Have you ever done a ferry from Buenos Aires to Montevideo? If so what's the experience like? I also see there's a ferry from Buenos Aires to Punta del Este, so Maldonado might be an option on that front too (especially since the Buenos Aires airport is so much more connected than Montevideo).
Great video. I heard today that to get residency in Uruguay it requires taking a bunch of vaccines. I had not heard this before. Can you confirm if this is the case? thanks.
My research told me the same. I would love to know if there is a work around. Anyone know anything?
@@alejandrarosela8794 False. a simple tetanus shot is required. nothing more and not required if you have had one in last 10 years
do not take the jab!
👋🏼 Small struggling Travel Channel here. I love your content, thanks for this great video! You inspire me to keep grinding my channel, maby one day I’ll grow as big as you 🥲
Spamming. Literally have seen copy paste comment on many other creator's comment feed. Sp
@@magnolya8 🤯🥲🤷🏽♂️
I'm not sure this video has convinced me to change my plans for retiring to Argentina, but it has put Uraquay in the running. Thanks.
Uruguay is lot more expensive than Argentina .
@@gerard6855 So it seems. But I may be able to convince someone to get to Uruguay with me. She has the completely outmoded idea that Argentina is dangerous. I cannot convince her that the Argentina of today is not the same as it was 45 years ago when she was a kid. Back then, the CIA ran the place and things were pretty rough. But she cannot understand that today, Argentina is safer than most US cities.
@@CCoburn3 Argentina may be safer than some places but it depends in what part of Argentina and what part of usa ... now Chile dangerous any place you go you have to be careful , since we are born we have to be careful , that is life and the nature . regards gerard .
@@gerard6855 Sure. There are dangerous places in every country. You’re absolutely correct about being careful wherever you go.
Argentinian here. Uruguay is the most boring country on the planet. And Punta del Este during Summer is expensive as Ibiza.
To make it fair you should compare buenos aires state vs uruguay, uruguay has no chance in terms of cities and landscapes vs the entire argentina
better or best option for a retired person is to go to live to mar del plata mendoza or cordoba . in mdp you can buy an apartment in down town 2 bed rooms about 50m2 for $60.000 to $90.000 dollars that is in 2024 .
Interesting! We plan to talk about Mar Del Plata in future videos.
@@the_expat Less than about 90 m2 is too small for comfort.
Independence Square in minute 1:00 is from Ukraine and not from Montevideo, Uruguay 🤦♂
Are you sure Argentina doesn't charge taxes on foreign pensions for residents?
I was thinking the same because i was interested to retire there and was reading a while ago that Argentina has worldwide income taxes, also on pensions. I life now in Thailand and they want to start next year as well with worldwide income taxes and im not going to do that, so im looking for a new country that does not. Im a Swiss btw.
Another consideration might be which is more likely to grant citizenship. What I have heard is that Argentina will eventually grant citizenship to long-term residents but Uruguay will not, even if someone follows all of their rules for eligibility.
Exactly! Argentina has a very time-saving path for citizenship.
Argentina for more than 200 hundred years wellcome people from any country. any nationality and they will give you documents so you can work legally . gerard
I would say little advantage in either country, rental accomodation primary social disaster, and food,, you cant live in a restaurant, I see vibrant youth and struggling seniors everywhere. I come away with a shudder to live the risk.
Uruguay or Argentina: What is your opinion about which one is better? If you are interested in South America, check also our video about *the 10 cheapest big cities to retire in South America* here: ruclips.net/video/G4TD3QHsuyM/видео.htmlsi=oxpVqTR8w1AKJXoj
Damn. It’s a tough choice. Both of them sounds enticing
Both, I will visit both, nicely done
what about social security taxes
I’m originally from Las Vegas, but visiting Mar del Plata now. The question is: how can a 44yr old like me stay in Argentina longer than the 30daysVOA+30days extension?
Go to Uruguay for 1 day and then come back.
Just what vidisibilla said 1 day to a other country (uruguay, chile etc) and back, could make it a nice weekend to enjoy. Other option is just go immigraciones for a extension it cost you some money but is very cheap. When i came to Argentina i did the first time via a day trip to colonia with buqeubus and the second via immigraciones extension.
Is this 10 years tax break only available for retirees or does it apply to digital nomads also?
wrong data:
Buenos Aires and Montevideo aren't similar in terms of security
Buenos Aires with 2,8 homicides/100K inhabitants is the second safest capital in entire America, just behind Ottawa in Canada,
Montevideo with 11,5 homicides/100K inhabitants is one of the most violent cities in South America
and obviously insecures zones of Montevideo r more dangerous than Buenos Aires ones
sorry, after watching first part of vid, I stoped keeping on watching, huge lack of true information....
source? that is absurdly wrong and only true if youre comparing bad parts of montevideo to Recoleta or something absurd. apples to apples you are completely wrong.
@@TedrosDelito
"en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)"
source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá)
tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86"
source: elpais cr buenos aires se presenta como la ciudad mas segura de America Latina
just check it out.....
@@TedrosDelito
"en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)"
source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá)
tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86"
source: elpais buenos aires se presenta como la ciudad mas segura de America Latina
just check it out.....
@@TedrosDelito
"en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)"
source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá)
tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86"
just check it out.....
@@TedrosDelito
"en lo que respecta a la tasa de homicidios, que se calcula a partir del promedio de 2022 y 2023, Montevideo es el departamento con la tasa más alta del país (15,4)"
source: ladiaria uy como fueron los homicidios en 2023
"Buenos Aires se convierte así en la Ciudad capital más segura de América Latina, y la segunda del continente, después de Ottawa (Canadá)
tasa de homicidios dolosos cada 100.000 habitantes fuera de 2,86"
source: elpais cr buenos aires se presenta como la ciudad mas segura de America Latina
just check it out.....
I just wanna say thank you for doing this video and it really would be great if you could do even more I’m seriously thinking about leaving United States or at least coming to another country and maybe becoming a permanent resident or at least living there part of the year every year, I am a semi retired military veteran with Seven net income month after taxes. And I’m thinking about maybe starting over meeting the younger and getting married again and it’s a place that women that truly embrace being women and do it with pride in America, too much bad has been taught too many lies have poison so many minds in this country. I don’t doubt that we will fix it but at the same time I wanted to try something different so this video really help me out. You seem like a really awesome person and I wish you well. May the Lord bless you and everything you do as well as your family and please keep making these videos you sound like you probably be a pretty cool person to meet and I like your video a lot thanks a lot.
You have go to the Philippines, you still find there all that you are looking for
Thank you very much! This is a great motivation for us!
I am an older veteran and am making plans to retire in Argentina. I have researched many countries and what the countries have to offer. I look at weather, crime, water quality, air quality, infrastructure, food source, culture, value, food and especially the quality of medical care. Argentina is not a developing country or third world country. It is developed,cultured and educated but due to the political leaders they have gone through economic instability. As for loving or respecting America (USA), that will depend on you. Your mindset and how you treat people. You are in their country so you should earn their respect first. However, there is a country close by to Argentina that really love America and that is Paraguay. They celebrate every American holiday including Saint Patrick’s Day! Lol! Very sweet! They love to celebrate and party so much they sell party goods in almost all their stores. Paraguayans have the most laid back temperament of all the Latin American countries. Very sweet! Paraguay is a country I would not rule out but I like the high quality Medical care in Argentina. I respect the Argentinian people very much. Most countries that go through economic turmoil have high crime rates but compared to the economic turbulence they have encountered the crime rate is very low. I believe it has to do with their morality and character. I really love that. Women in Argentina and Paraguay and other South American countries are much more traditional and conservative Christians. The Philippines is great for Americans with a limited monthly income and can find younger women. Since you are a Christian man I hope you will find a lovely Christian woman with whom you share values with and will be your life partner. I hope you don’t try to look too hard or pressure yourself in finding a wife because that’s when you can overlook red flags and not make the best decision. Pray and make your desires known to God and trust Him to bring her into your life. Much blessings to you in your future endeavors!
Are there job opportunities for a foreigner in uruguay
Expats paying tax in Argentina! . That truly is a WILD idea! what are you thinking when suggesting you have to pay tax in Argentina as an expat?? (person who receives money from abroad). Never heard of and I guess that if so, it means a very, VERY, poor financial planning on your side! Argentina will tax you if you make mone FROM WITHIN the country, or if you are a naturalized that runs a business, but not for pension or capital that has already being taxed elsewhere, as long as you are able to justify the origin of the funds.
BS. In Argentina you pay taxes on your global income. If you withdraw money from a non taxed retirement account (IRA) or social security account then you pay taxes on that. And if you are a fiscal resident in Argentina then you pay taxes on that income in Argentina. Plus Argentina has no double taxation treaty with USA
@@guillesrl7569 Your assumptions are correct. Although, that's not the way it's done. Nobody does it like that, period. There are other ways (legan and gray) and no, you don't pay taxes on your money that comes from the foreign if it meets certain criteria, and it's very easy to do. Not to be explained in a YT comment. All I said is absolutely true.
@@adriannuske We are not talking about blue markets, cryptos, bringing money into Argentina in undeclared forms, etc. That is not financial planning.
@@guillesrl7569 Neither am I
@@guillesrl7569 Neither am I
Uruguay
Uruguay is x10 more expensive!!
I have been serious about looking into going to Argentina. I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row.
Uruguay 💙
Simple rule to help you pronounce taxed , don't say tax Ed say taxt and soften the t sound
Thanks!
one word...inflation?
Yes, but against the local currency. If you earn in USD or EUR, it is ok.
What a simplistic and superficial "analysis"... Buenos Aires is a massive city that changes a thousand times through your taxi window; Montevideo is a City that's stuck in the 1950s, with improvements only in the touristic areas. Buenos Aires' is an eclectic culture and more influenced by the rest of the world, Montevideo is more "local", and no shame in this, just mind that the talks aren't gonna be as "rich" in average. Montevideo is to go have a peaceful life and enjoy free time in a nice place, Argentina, is for continuing in an endless "discovery" of new things. Argentina has "the world" within its borders (not that you can't make the trip from Montevideo, of course) and the decision strongly depends on what your expectation for a "full" life really is. Then, re-run the numbers, because it's no straight-on numbers, but what you get for your money.
Does Argentina tax 100% US Disabled Veterans?
What country would be good for an older guy that’s in good shape and doesn’t look his age that would be looking maybe to me younger woman that wants to have a family to embrace the good things about being a woman and acting like a woman and appreciate what is about the traditional sense andwhat countries would be good for somebody that’s a Christian and takes it seriously not an overly stated way, but in a genuine way just thinking about questions that I’m asking and what’s important to me so if anybody knows a good answer or has any advice or thoughts would be great appreciate it
Philippines, if you don't mind the distance and time difference.
The Phillipines or Thailand is your best bet. Very careful, there's leeches everywhere .
You are missing the wealth tax !!!
Uruguay is more safe ,and the best economy of south America🇺🇾👏👏
Es mentira, Uruguay no es más segura q Argentina.cara si!
It's a crazy world, you're not safe anywhere. Quit ing. In one second, it's over.
When it's your turn, it's your turn. Quit living in fear people.
URUGUAY. NO. LE. LLEGA. NI. A. LOS. TOBILLOS. A. LA. ARGENTINA. Q. TIENE. VARIEDAD. D. PAISAJES. CLIMAS. TIENE. D. TODO😂😂
Uruguay for sure is better.
Si quiere vivir eb un pueblo si
Weed is legal in Uruguay. 😃😃😊😊Argentina weed is ILLEGAL.🙁☹☹
duuuudeeeee, just take a bus to Denver, buy some gummies, go to the dollar cinema, and watch Fantasia all weekend.
Sorry man, TOTALLY WRONG !
You cannot compare Punta del Este with Mendoza, totally different, and you missed it.
Punta del Este is where every Argentinian wants to be, and only very rich ones goes there. Hollywood actors and famous people visit Punta del este, and there is even a TRUMP TOWER. it's the Saint Tropez from South America, nothing to do with Mendoza.
Cost of living is also WRONG!
Uruguay is minimum 5 times more expensive than Argentina to live. I was October and November 2023 and everything was much expensive than in Europe. I guess products at supermarkets are much expensive than in Switzerland, where they are very expensive. Owning a car is very expensive in Uruguay, used car can be 10 times the price of USA, new can be 2 times, with oil much expensive in Uruguay than in Germany, Spain, France, and so on, like 2 dollars 1 litre, which in Argentina is many times cheaper.
Not to mention Punta del este is on the Atlantic ocean with lot of beaches and surf lifestyle, nothing to do with Mendoza wines plantation.
And then you compare Montevideo with Buenos Aires, a city with 1,5 millions in his metropolitan area with one that probably is near 20 million people.
And yes, Montevideo is much expensive to live than Buenos Aires, many times, a restaurant is much expensive than Europe.
But for 900 dollars you dont find this apartment there, I'm sure, 400€ you rent just a room.
Mendoza can be for a normal retired, Uruguay is for rich people, retired or not.
I’m Argentinian and I would never in my life go to Punta del Este. Super expensive and horrible beaches. It’s just the place where Argentinians choose to do their money laundering since the 70s/80s. And when you say “there’s even a Trump Tower” that has to be the most Uruguayan comment ever.
@@adrianb3868
Wrong, I'm not Uruguayan.
And the beaches in Punta del este are beautiful, something Mendoza has not. Even better than mar del plata or any location in Argentina. They were too cold for me for November, but in January it's OK. Brazil has much better beaches than Uruguay, off course, and many other places.
@@Corlione I never said you were Uruguayan, you just said a very Uruguayan thing, like claiming they have 4 World Cups. And I never said the beaches in Argentina were good, they are in fact a bit worse than in Punta del Este. You on the other hand, said every Argentinian wants to be there, which is false.
Punta Del Este and the entire country of UY is full of Gaslighting Predator Robbers/Scammers including All Lawyers. Good luck finding a lawyer that doesn't scam you.
So much incorrect information in this video, that makes it useless.
I don’t understand why these comparisons rarely talk about one of the most consequential factors: political stability. Argentina is a mess. Who in their right mind would ignore something with such a major impact on stability and peace of mind? It’s not simply about money.
We actually mentioned social issues in the first half of the video. It is true, Argentina is not the most stable country, however, this opens an opportunity for those who earn in stronger currency.
@@the_expat My apologies if this was discussed. I apparently missed it. Anyway, on the subject of currency, I’ve heard that in Argentina you can exchange currencies at more favorable rates in the black market. And while that might be tolerated, is it really a smart or viable long-term strategy? And does that in effect place you on the wrong side of the law? If someone wishes to relocate to another country, how can anyone suggest, with a straight face, that they should plan to conduct financial business that way?
And to wrap up the conversation on ‘social issues’, there are many facets to that end. There’s the political mess that Argentines have brought unto themselves with their move toward authoritarianism, and there are financial factors such as inflation that is still running over 100% (when I last checked). It suffices to say that I think it should have weighed more heavily in your final analysis. But I now seeing that you have other videos featuring Argentina it begs the question: are you biased toward Argentina? Is that where you currently reside, or originally came from?
@texaszag8748 the video focuses on those who will be living with foreign currencies. The inflation rate is only a factor for Argentines who must live on pesos.
@@johnhamilton2914 You missed my point. Besides, if you were to relocate to Argentina, for instance, you’d have to convert your currency to do business in your new home country. Exchange rates are important insofar as it is a determinant of whether or not you have the resources on hand to afford living in that new location, but it has nothing to do with inflation at any given point in time. My point was that in Argentina you could get a more favorable exchange rate on the black market, which in my way of thinking puts you on the wrong side of the authorities. Exchanging at the actual rate makes the move less affordable. Inflation is a measure of price increases over time and while it may affect the exchange rate, it is not the currency exchange rate.
@@texaszag8748 I guess I understood the video to be about retiring there not doing business there, so that's what I'm referring to. Doing business in Argentina has way too many challenges to be worth it imo. For an ex pat with dollars retired an easy decision.
Oh man!! THERE ARE NO FAVELAS IN ARGENTINA (and, I believe, neither in Uruguay). Yo have slums and poverty, but favelas is a whole different thing!! to clarify: there are no areas governed by mafias or armed civilians (some may say Rosario, but not really, the thing is very minor in comparison), and the narcs are a minor problem (as for now). Words trigger GOOGLING, "the expat", be careful with your descriptions 🤦♂
Villas ares very similar to favelas.
@@the_expat I'll give you that you can mistake them if not familiar, by the way they look from afar maybe but no, they are not similar in what really matters. I'll clarify, because it's important for whom may want to actually visit.
Favelas are the aftermath of paramilitary groups. HEAVILY ARMED leaders rule over a parallel "state", that can only be raided by THE ARMY (now they have a special taskforce for that). They are poor populations ruled by heavily armed war lords; that is what DEFINES the favelas. It's VERY MISLEADING, especially for those abroad, to relate regular shanty areas in Argentina to FAVELAS, when the so called "villas miseria" (misery villes) are functionally integrated to the cities and can even call 911 if they need help. Of course the "villas miseria" in Argentina have a high crime rate, some more than others, that is sadly true, but they are subdued under the police force and are not heavily armed or anything like that. Favelas = governed by paramilitary forces, "villa miseria" underprivileged people that are guarded by the same police as in the rest of the city (with more precaution, of course 😬)Cheers!
URUGUAY. SIN. MONTAÑAS. NI. LAGOS. TURQUESA. NI. SELVAS. , NI. CATARATAS. BUENO. MO 😊
My wife says both countries are racist(she's Colombian.) Most of us are aware of Argentina's history with the Nazi's. Her most salient example is that neither country has ever had a Afro-American on their soccer teams. Are there racial issues in either country?
"Her most salient example is that neither country has ever had a Afro-American on their soccer teams." Argentina never had an afro-american in theri team because they didn't have slavery, therefore the black population there is super small. It is the same reason Mongolia never had a black in their football team.
@@the_expat BS. Argentina had slaves from 1580 until 1861. Don't forget the Nazi's too
Totally wrong about Uruguay (and I think Argentina too). They already had Afro-American soccer players in their national team 100 years ago. The reason there are fewer black soccer players than in other countries is that they are only 2% of the population and soccer is almost a religion in Uruguay, so every white kid also wants to be a soccer player.
You are racist against countries with no black population.
I am age 70 and in good health, and debt free, and have a monthly income of $9,000 USD per month also I save about 6K per month. I have $300K in a Credit Union CD. I believe the USD will drop up to 70% in the next 2-3 years so can you give me a few choices to put my money safer than the USD and where I can get a decent interest of return.
The grass is not greener on the other side! Warning to all those who plan to retire in other countries!
You will need to take into consideration the fact that as an American you are familiar with America and the place that you are going to is not familiar to you. All these descriptions of wonderful beaches eternal sunshine and cheap prices are attractive. But you need to be aware of the following problems that you are likely to encounter.
1. You will need much more money than they tell you. You are already used to a certain way of life that requires money. You would want to buy a car and you would want to go to shows, concerts and other forms of entertainment.
2. If you don't know the language it will be easy to overcharge and cheat you. They tend to charge you more if you are an American, and they will know that you are an American. You will stand out like a sore thumb unless you are the type that melts in the crowd.
3. You will have to deal with a flawed and painfully slow bureaucracy, which is much less efficient than in the U.S. and you can easily fall into despair. You will have to fill out so many forms and wait in long lines.
4. If you are impressed by the beaches and the sunshine everywhere, let me tell you that you will not go to the beach every day. In many of these locations it rains in the summer, sometimes for more than two weeks non-stop.
5. Most of these countries are hot, humid and very uncomfortable. And if you go to the northern countries of Europe or Asia it will be very cold. And don’t forget the pollution and the contaminated air that you will breathe.
6. Services in most countries are not as reliable as they are in the U.S. They will not give you your money back for flawed service.
7. Crime is widespread almost everywhere and believe me, it's worse than in the U.S.
8. Health care is much inferior to that of the U.S. You might need additional insurance and that costs a lot of money. Worse, you will have to wait months to see a specialist.
9. Not knowing the language will cause you to be unable to communicate and you will be lonely.
10. Prepare to have numerous interruptions in the supply of electricity, internet and sometimes even water.
11. If you are looking for a woman, you might be trapped when she would marry you only for your money. She might also expect you to support her family. This happens in many traditional countries like Thailand and others.
12. Visa regulations can change very often and you might have to leave the country instantly.
13. Please be aware of the fact that Americans are NOT welcome everywhere and you might become a victim of scams, theft or violence.
14. Most of these countries, especially Asian are very dirty and you will not be able to enjoy street food.
15. People that will serve you will always expect TIP no matter how small the service is, especially since you are an American. You will not be able to avoid it and if you do, they will hate you.
16. Hot countries like Malaysia and Indonesia have numerous insects, lizards, scorpions and poisoned snakes in addition to flies that will drive you crazy. You will spend long time trying to kill them.
IN SHORT, THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU GO. There are so many good things in America that you are taking for granted now. Take my advice, stay where you are or move to another location in America. Be smart and thrifty customer and don't buy anything that you don't need. If you want to visit other countries, take a trip once in a while. Don't make the mistake of your life. Moving alone costs a fortune and there will be many documents to read and sign. Stay in good old America, even if the prices are high, our politics sucks and you don't like Trump. Remember, all Western countries are very expensive, while the Non-European ones are neither safe, nor clean. So don't be tempted and stay put! The only time I would recommend moving to another country is if you have family or friends who will help protect you from horrible things that might happen. Kapisce?
Good luck!