Karen Read Trial Day 13 Summary
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Whether KR is innocent or not, the reasonable doubt in this case from the shoddy investigation alone, let alone the credibility of these witnesses, is looking insurmountable by the prosecution imo.
Yeah…beyond a reasonable doubt is a difficult bar to clear when the prosecution has done nothing but provide additional reasons to doubt…
If she did hit him, which I don’t think is true, it was not intentional, and she has lost her companion. Prison is particularly cruel for a person with multiple sclerosis.
Exactly! And it makes me wonder if John O’Keefe will ever get justice! His family, being in the courtroom, has to be at least questioning what happened to John
@@childoftheking2113 Unless the federal investigation digs up something amazing or gets someone who was in the house that night to break, sadly I don't think the actual perpetrator/s will be prosecuted. I think we'll "know" who was involved, but with so much evidence destroyed/contaminated and the entire Albert clan going "that's my story and I'm sticking to it", we'll never have real proof.
Yep. If I was on the jury, I wouldn't be convinced. And if she did hit him, I'd be leaning towards that it was an accident and that this is a huge coverup and they're trying to use KR as a scapegoat.
As an avid mountain hiker, I have almost fallen on my face more times than I care to admit. I’ve always ended up with my palms and/or wrists scraped and/or bruised, never my knuckles.
It’s a reflex to fall face first with your arms extended, hands palm down - called the parachute reflex. I’ve done it myself several times, common cause of fractured wrists, particularly Colles fractures.
Falling knuckles first can happen, but rare as heck and I suggest he should go get his reflexes assessed.
The more and more I hear the more and more I’m like. “How did the state think they had enough. How and why didn’t they start with other witnesses? None of this makes sense”
It does if you think that the state is trying to protect the Alberts.
The case against this woman makes zero sense.
Pretty messed up that so many of the witnesses have shown little to no concern that a man died in the snow in front of a house they were all in. It took one of them thinking of how she was getting unkind messages for some emotion to be expressed...
If there's a blizzard and I'm expecting someone to have arrived already I would be calling them on the phone to touch base. This doesn't make sense to me for how the Alberts are behaving.
Karen Read's version seems to be that she dropped him at the party and he was going to get his own ride (?). If that's the case her leaving him outside of a house with at least a half-dozen people inside who are expecting him makes perfect sense why she didn't bother calling him.
It makes her surprise that he wasn’t home when she woke up clear too. Jen on day 14 says she was screaming hysterically about if he was at another woman’s house or hurt or something. They take a lot of stock in her “knowing where he was and seeing him when no one else saw him” as she knew where he was. Karen seems to be the only one experiencing the correct emotions. Everyone is telling her to shut up and calm down because they think he’s just at someone’s house. They never took anything seriously at any point.
I'm so sad for the O'Keefe family and all the mistakes made in the investigation that sadly may result in never knowing how he died
There were no mistakes. The shoddy investigation was meant to collect no useable evidence because of who's property the body was found on. It wasn't until later that they came on the idea of using Read to deflect suspicions.
Yeah so sad so many lives have been affected and at the center of this is JO lost his life etc
I don't think people realize how heavy the burden on your hand would be if you land like that with your full weight. It would be very strange if that didn't break at least one bone in your hand. Mind, it's your full weight on 4 cm2 (tops).
Huge problem and red herring at the same time. I mean, every part of the investigation -from the processing of the crime scene, to interviews, to documentation to custody of evidence, were botched. If it were a frame up they did a monty python job of it.
Thank you, Emily. I can't listen to this while you are live streaming. These witnesses are suspicious.
And she never lets anyone finish a sentence.
Colin is not telling the truth. No one in that group is.
Yep for sure.
This breakdown is magnificent. Thank you, Emily!
I'd like a chart with Trooper Proctor as the hub, and all the witnesses as spokes, with a key detailing his connection to each.
Because I'm completely lost in the murk of his shady investigation. He's demonstrably not ignorant of proper procedure.
Agreed. I wish the FBI investigation could be somewhat addressed in this case since it was handled so ineptly. Perhaps we'll get that report in months to come.
You have to remember that this is the same organization that has had its crime lab discovered to be faking test results twice. Not 2 faked results, but 2 separate incidents of a technician faking thousands of cases. And the same organization that had an entire barracks fired and disbanded for corruption and theft.
Yeah good idea because as time passes I forget some of the earlier shady things that happened.
@@clt420 I saw online they have a great chart at one of the local news channels there. It's interactive. You can hover over one face & it strings together the connections for that person. (Info was given on Duty Ron's channel).
@@Bess9779 okay thank you!
When is Proctor testifying???⏳
It’s just entirely too odd that almost everyone MADE SURE not to mention Colin was there. & all had the same excuse. Also weird this is the same guy that lived on the same road/street as the deceased. So was there previous history between Colin & the deceased?
I want to be in the hockey teams chat today.
Colin makes me feel sus. This is sus.
I have a question why was she texting John instead of texting karen, karen didn't want to go in,. I think someone had a crush old Johnny, listen to her voce when she is describing asking him here? sneaking, text, one word crap!!!! Fishy I don't think the women around liked Karen because they had a crush on john, the men probably wasn't to crazy about him either! 6 feet 2 , a handsome police, look at their husbands!!! Jealousy is cruel but who can bare envy!!!!
Agree
Taunting an ice hockey team is not the best idea
Thank you for this breakdown
Thanks so much for doing this!! It’s so very helpful!!
Thank you lovely Emily D. Baker!!
Awesome as always.
Only watching bc of you.
No way I could possibly follow.
What a mess!
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Thank you so much Emily!
He slipped on ice and decided to punch the ground to catch himself? Uh huh, sure Jan.
Also, has anyone confirmed that it snowed or not? I think that’s the only clear thing we’ve heard so far.
TYSM for sharing your updates!👐🏻
Your hair looks so pretty. I love the color. Very nice. 😊
SAME!! Seeing how cool it looks made me feel much more comfortable with not dyeing my roots for over 1/2 a year. I used to feel self-conscious about this but now I look in the mirror and think "Oh wow, this is actually aesthetically pleasing. I like this!"
It’s like a hive mind serves for a number of the family members and cops.
A wolf pack protecting the cub
@@karolynknight931It's a murder conspiracy. Everyone has their own life sentence to worry about.
My Cousin Vinny is coming on, lol definitely gonna watch it😂
Thank you, Emily, 💜for covering Karen’s case much appreciated
Free Karen Read💞
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I literally have no idea about this case! Which is a first! I totally get everyone feels she has been set up and she may have been.. It’s just my 64 year old self praying things aren’t as terrible as they seem right now!Thank You!!!!❤❤❤
I live here and ugh it is. Us locals are so outraged.
@@heatherm6538I’ve wondered aloud how the locals are tolerating this insanity. Please keep the chat updated with comments as outsiders wanna hear from locals. Thanks!
@@heatherm6538 what do locals think happened?
The FBI is investigation the corruption in this case. 3 accident recinstructionists, each has a PhD, determined John was not hit by Karen’s car & her car did not him. All 3 are on the defense’s witness list.
@@user-fc7vf7rz5h absolutely nothing like what all these clowns testifying want you to think. There is much more to come out. Buckle up!
This is insanity
Thank God for Karen there's all the new tech.
Maybe the confusion and the weard story line was part of the plan...if the story makes no sence KR will proove enough doubt for a verdict not guilty. On other hand no one can be charged becouce of no evedence. Nothing can be pinned down.
Thank you Emily!💜💜💜
Mad at the hockey team because the girls were talking to them; as if the girls can't talk to whoever they bloody well like.
I missed some! Glad I can catch up!
I’m just wondering if there’s significance being “left?” by the Flag Pole. Like a homage to a officer down.
Covered in pigs blood?
These people aren’t that sharp.
I got my new law nerd t-shirt today!! Its perf!!❤
Intuitively have felt Karen’s innocence from the start so following your coverage closely and nothing I have observed has swayed that for me yet. Love your coverage and see how absolutely baffled most are around this case. The level of deception is insidious as I truly believe those operating within it are incapable of being honest with themselves and therefore equally incapable of making what is unconscious, conscious
The sister-in-law is lying from her a**s.😡
It’s Matt ‘Crystal Light’ McCabe
Yes noone went out to van to see what was up
That blob thing is balogna
Ally Mcabe played on a hockey team and i think Johns neice did 🤔
It’s not fair because it’s not KR doing the harassment. But she has to pay the consequences.
I appreciate your quick bits. I watch your day to day also of this case too. Unfortunately I have had to turn off my chat. Some chatters are extremely rude and offensive. I will continue to watch but just no chatting from me anymore.
They seem so cocky..
We did
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Imagine everyone buzzing having fun. It’s 12/1am Words Being thrown around, breaking balls having fun, like jocks and alpha males do at these get togethers and someone gets a little insulted at the name calling (pu$$y, fucc you pu$$y) “what did you say you little punk? “ Don’t make me come ova there teach you some fuccin mannas” Ppl watching laughing egging it on.
The pushing starts and now they’re fighting. Boom! Starts to get out of hand, the older John starts getting the best of the freshmen kid. Or vice versa, It gets more physical and a little serious. They’re all drunk so no mone really knows their own strengths, and boom, someone @accidentally” dies… then Panic…just my theory.
But…a big but, they all said John never entered the house so that would debunk this theory.
I’m not blaming anyone, I guess we’re going to have to see what happens. I know these situations and I know this changed this town and these families forever and no one wins. So sad
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Question Why did the defense not ask a bench verdict?
You cannot be serious.
Umm, have you seen the Judge???
Direct verdict might end u in prison, and being innocent. No way. I'd rather have 12 jury members convict me, instead of one person.
Karen read is innocent.
At the rate he is going I can see our dear little Colin ending up in prison or maybe dead if he keeps doing things like threatening ice hockey teams and then goes on to bigger things from there. 😡😈🥵😵
I think many of the questions you have are good ones but the fact that this was a night of large amounts of alcohol being consumed needs to be factored in somehow. You can't expect the same rational, logical thought people have when not drunk. This was an after hours bars are closed party. These were all people involved, mostly, with law enforcement, fire, etc., and those groups know how to party hard. I honestly believe what happened was a tragic accident and the present situation is a person who is incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. The internet joins in the ruckus, a way out is seen. What motivation is there for beating this man to death?
What do you mean by “taking responsibility for actions”? For Karen to plead guilty to 2nd degree murder and spend the rest of her life in prison, even though she has no recollection of having hit John, and it’s theoretically possible (though unlikely), that she didn’t hit him? Also if she did hit him, how is it criminal? No evidence that Karen was impaired to the extent that she could not safely operate a motor vehicle. For example, she didn’t run through a red light. The evidence suggests she didn’t know John was behind the car when/if she hit him and couldn’t see him at night in the blizzard in a strange location, with multiple other cars around and objects that could’ve blocked her view of John backtracking to the vehicle from the house. He didn’t go inside for some reason. My theory is that John may have dropped his cell phone or his glass and stooped down to pick them up, out of sight of Karen, in a blind spot. After all, he was walking in the ice and snow carrying two objects, in unfamiliar territory. This could explain how he was hit on the back of his head by the tail light. The state’s evidence certainly doesn’t exclude this possibility. Which means the state has not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Karen committed any crime. So, IMO, she should be acquitted. And has no obligation to “take responsibility” for something that she doesn’t know she did and might not have done.
@@freedomring757 I don't believe it was criminal. I believe it was an accident. I believe if she would have just said It was an accident, no charges would have ensued. Just my opinion. The media and internet "experts" have fueled this mess. And she jumped on the bandwagon along with many other people. This is grossly overcharged, also my opinion. It's too late for her to take that responsibility now. This is just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
@@barbaramiller2279 that’s exactly what she did in the beginning. She acknowledged responsibility. “I hit him!” As a result, she got charged with second degree murder. Charges that caused all of the other issues to arise. So, I respectfully submit that your initial premise is flawed.
@@freedomring757 Karen herself has said she didn't say I hit him. She said "did I hit him?" And she wasn't charged with murder right away. She was charged with manslaughter, motor vehicle homicide and leaving the scene of a deadly crash. Which is appropriate. Her lawyer said that was overcharged. A grand jury was sat and they charged her with 2nd degree. That took away her ability to deal. My initial premise is entirely feasible, respectfully submitted. Now we're stuck with this mess where everyone has their back up and insisting their truth is THE truth. Throw in a little Boston like attitude and here we are. As I said. This is just my opinion. I feel it is based on logical reasoning and based on the history of the case. Again, take it or leave it.
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EB heard you r a schill for AJ let me watch and see,
I think Karen is guilty.
Absolutely not. She is innocent.
There is zero credible evidence that she is guilty.
Based on what evidence?
Very bad day for the defense and the conspiracy theorists. Highly believable witness on the stand completely torched Read. Defense will have to completely destroy her character next week.
It's won't be hard ? Because she's the sister-in-law of the homeowner , where John died. Also she went home sketchy that night like losing her keys and than climbed up to her room low-key and later texted how
Long to die in the snow ❄️ .🤷🙄🤦
Jen McCabe a "highly believeable" witness. Absolutely not.
You are obviously not paying attention
Did we forget that KR already in the beginning, told DY she hit John ? Also told her dad,friends & responders. She admitted it, then changed her story when charged w 2cd degree.
If she confessed why was she not arrested on the spot? Please make sense!
If she did say that then why the shoddy investigation ? I just have too much doubt, too many questions.
That’s untrue. I’ve posted his full statement on X several times to disprove that.
She has never confessed to that!! That's not true!!
She never changed her story. Stop lying
Get brian higgins up.there