That's why I won't touch Marvel or DC comics there are just so many versions of the same character and it's hard to keep track with all of them not to mention that Marvel and DC reset their universes so many times throughout the years so why bother
Superman 1mill is not part of the lore, it's a glorified what if fan fiction. Without a weakness struggles Superman is as bland as an isekai protagonist. That's why Superman tas if so great.
......you do know he was stated to be weaker than 5th dimensional beings like by his writer also died to the 7 deadly sins and worlder forger is a 6th dimensional being right?
@@alexbenitez7399 nah dude, manga is outselling comics by an insane degree. In the states. Yeah, in the states. DC and marvel have seen massive drop offs while last two years manga sales in the states have gone up 170 percent... Yeah. They are absolutely taking inspiration heavily from manga and anime in American comics. Cause they have to try something. They are not even making money anymore. Being kept afloat by merch sales and the movies.
@@ImTheMan0fSteel well avengers forever isn't that bad. Doubt it'll sell even close to your basic manga but by a storytelling standpoint it's one of the last comics that care more about the story then some shitty political message. Thor God of fists is personally my favorite rendition of the character. (Issue 7 thor God of fist dropped last month August 24th 2022)
@@duncannslade the world needs balance. Too many hyper fanboys will create hate on their own. Nobody disliked Bats until it started getting ridiculous.
@@dbearded130I don't get that hate for a fake person he's not real why are people trying to say what ge can't do. When his training to become batman was MASSIVELY unrealistic he literally became a master of all martial arts, a expert mechanic, a genius scientist, a master detective, a monk, a top level pilot, and a therapist all before the age of 30 he did all that in his 20s when he was traveling the world. People stop batman is super human with Emphasis on the human.
ClassicD literally had a video explaining that Batman did not help Superman and in fact helped World Forger make it worse for Superman just so he can be proven wrong. Just saying. It is sad how Superman can defeat tough enemies and somehow Batman has to get credit for it. Superman even calls out Batman for betraying him.
Beta Superman Hater: “Easily defeated by kryptonite” Superman: *fought kryptonite infused doomsday* *one shotted World Forger* Alpha Superman Enjoyer: “Where would you get kryptonite if Batman was on Superman’s side”
@@unoreverse130 you just reminded me of this one animation where is the Justice League trying to decide who should be the leader of the Justice League and Batman says that kryptonite isn't even rare anymore this purse Snatcher I caught last week had three of them
@@flashrunner2689 hey yes it was the only thing they did not mention was that Wonder Woman can be easily defeated by being restrained by literally anything I'm dead serious by the way because the Joker was about to kill her while she was restrained with a common regular rope
Speaking of Batman, how this nigga taking hits from Superman and people still saying he need prep time? He literally has feats against Superman multiple times
I think alot of the issue is superman is only as capable as the writer handling him. I remember a time when ivy got em with spores you know the guy who can move and react stupid fast
I mean this can apply to pretty much any marvel or dc character one momment batman is dodging darksides lasers who can tag even superman next he's just barley dodging bullets
@@justsomeguyontheinternet7134 exactly that's what I was trying to convey that these characters have been through so many shows and comics alot of fans who haven't seen em all have very different mental pictures of the characters. As an example I didn't know super man prime was a thing
@@goreobsessed2308 yeah it all depends on the person writing the comic and to be honest with you I didn't even know who the fuck the world for divorce either or who the hell Superman Prime was
I agree DC and Marvel power scaling is bullshit actually fuck it don't even bring into power scaling because those characters are all over the place in power and to quote stan lee the winner is who the writer wants to win and unfortunately we have too many writers bad ones at the least
I'm going to be completely honest with you I stop reading a good majority of the Marvel and DC Comics because it's like they get reset it so many times and there's so much to keep up on that I just couldn't take it anymore so I stopped giving a fuck about the comics except certain ones and to be honest with you I don't even mess with Superman like that anymore
@@pablohernandes4027 lol 😂 it seems you never picked up a comic😂for example can you compare she Hulk in the comics to the nonsense and idiotic Disney plus show???? Yh I thought so
@@pablohernandes4027 dont get me wrong some movies are cool but you saying this is a complete disrespect 😂 cuz even the producers at mavel knows that comics is the life of the show
@@dam-silver those movies are the only thing keeping marvel and dc alive. Remember when a single manga out sold the entire comic book industry. Comics are trash lol
@@ByrnethedestroyerStill better than Batman taking off his black underwear, wrapping it around his face, and using it to fall from orbit while taking ZERO damage.
I don't know if I can guarantee you in each different comic he was less and less affected by kryptonite which kind of irritates me a little bit going to be honest
The writer determines the winner. that being said: there are so many versions of every super hero both in marvel and DC it's hard for the avid reader of the comics to keep up.
@@alexbenitez7399 that's the thing though, Throughout all of marvel and DC there have been a few resets of both respective universe's. Do I read the current version that's out and will get reset in a years time or Is looking at old source material as reliable information in a "who would win" argument. Superman, for example, has versions of him where a small rock of kryponite can disable his powers and in other versions he can lift a mountain of the stuff. It can just be confusing when there are so many versions of the same character that have the same weakness but is either seemingly not affected by it or is immediately crippled by being near it. As I said in my first comment, the writer determines the winner.
@@gabrielreyes4932 I mean you could just look up a reading guide that tells you all of that. Like in rebirth everything from post crisis to flashpoint happened and that’s how it’s been ever since. Marvel doesn’t have reboots so it’s a continuing story.
@@CRAZYSUPURS_FR yeah but I kind of want to see him get exposed to Pink Kryptonite if you don't know what that does it make him gay Too much exposure will turn him into a female
I'm going to be honest with you. As powerful as All Fiction is the power even under Medaka who puts Abilities at 110% (yes 110%) of their effectiveness couldn't use it to undo the injuries they sustained against a certain person. She even admitted to using it directly on the individual but nothing. Unless Kumagawa can somehow undo the concept of a Stand then sure, maybe he can win. But GER might screw him over on an attempt, key word is might in this situation. Because if GER has existence erasure resistance then he'll have the upper hand. Sure, Kumagawa has Bookmarker, he can physically weaken him to win the fight but that's just physically. Stands are another story, we've seen stands do things their hosts can't do, so Bookmarker won't be doing much. Kumagawa also can't see a Stand, so he won't even see anything coming. However, Kumagawa has admitted to reading manga, so chances are JoJo manga exists in Medaka Box so he may have outsider knowledge.
@@rashawnbrown4262 Kumagawa is from the manga called Medaka Box. He doesn't appear until around early-midish into the manga. Giorno if it wasn't picked up in my explanation is from JoJo. I do suggest watching all the way until his season as you do come to further understand most stands along with where his stands in the series. Although reading the manga is fine too. But in Kumagawa case manga is your only choice as he only has a canon ova anime wise to give the concept of his power BUT NOT THE LIMITATIONS. Which is where people tend to overhype him without mentioning.
This is scary when u realize that if he can do that by sitting in the sun, imagine what would happen to the Infected Superman from DCeased that ALSO flew into the Sun.
@@shaftcity5842 so true this is why I like anime and manga better I don't give fuck if people say comics are stronger they are only saying it to make themselves feel better in a childish dream in a world where we don't need a superman like figure but just men doing the right thing
Im really glad when you do debates you stick with the feats of 1 version of the character. It gets tiresome when people use multiple version if the same character to explain why they could beat someone else.
@@Dalek15 might have to give it to shido his ability are too good even though Issei can not only boost himself but weaken his opponents I still give it to shido
I’ll never understand how one alien race is capable of all this shit with no training and by just using stars to charge them up they’re able to beat god like beings
I like that the question is specific. My problem with so many of these anime and comic arguments is that they never specify what state the character is in
Superman was so outlandishly powerful in the OG material that they literally had to rewrite the universal structure of DC comics to make up for how powerful he was. Like he had so many powers he basically was thanos on acid. Mf had too many powers for the writers to even remember.
The issue with Superman and Kryptonite is how inconsistent he is. At one point he could move an island of kryptonite and then at another point a block of kryptonite has him on his knees. That's why I think when having these conversations you should talk specifically about what version of Superman you're doing. Like Brave and the Bold is a more subdued Batman then some of the ones that pull gadgets out of their butts and have crazy feats that don't even make sense. So I don't think it's that people don't understand how resistant he is to Kryptonite rather he has been inconsistent about his resistance for a long time.
I’m just saying, I hate Superman because of how broken and op he is. Now I will say I like Goku because he builds up to being basically a god but this dude is just ridiculous.
But that's the whole point, isn't it? In my opinion, the best superman stories aren't the ones where he has to fight the biggest baddest villain ever who's super strong and the most evil guy around or smth, it's the ones where he has to deal with human problems. A superman story, in my opinion, should always be more about a god trying to live amongst mortals more than just a straight up battle
Yeah but that's the reason why superman is only used during universe ending threats, you never see him fighting a low level villain you see him fight literal gods. Also all Goku did was do a few pushups and yell really loud let's not act like he had to do much to get his powers and I like Dragonball.
'-' my problem is with superman his weaknesses is basically the slang for every weaknesses for every other character and yet that weakness some how no longer works on him Superman is Mary sue and I will die on that hill
Superman has a vulnerability to magic and a Kryptonite Weakness but those are not as crypling and some seem to believe, the dude is a fucking OP guy who can one-shot almost everyone
Kinda glad the person who made the suggestion _specified_ the version he was talking about. Because a BUNCH of people would use Prime 1 Million's feats to justify their Vs Debate claim
Why do we keep bringing this man up in fights. Even if there is someone who can beat him, Dc will just make so Superman becomes even stronger Than that person. While also making him homosexual and gender neutral apparently 🥴
I’m late too this but, that last part applies to his actual son Jonathan Kent, but I can’t blame you, even as an avid Superman Fan, I find it hard to keep track of their continuity.
Honestly I kinda feel sad but happy for superman 1million because he got to recreate his home world and his wife in a more perfect body able to handle his own body too
I want you to make a video on fate characters mfs are outversal, can erase not existence but entire concepts and have crazy weapons that are the embodiment of something.
One thing that bugs me about comics is the inconsistency between each version. One author makes Superman a God that transcends mortality, meanwhile another writes him to be weak enough to be beaten by Harley Quinn or something. Yeah, Goku is weaker than many versions of Superman, but at least he is written by one man and remained somewhat consistent (except bullshit reasons like being damaged by a bullet).
It's been a while so I don't remember much of this comic but if am not mistaken, the Superman in question (rebirth) was already elevated to a higher level of existence when they were in the 6th dimension and then charged up by several suns to be able to perform that feat. This is the reason people don't give that feat to Superman as something that he can consistently replicate. It might not be an outlier but given his more consistent display of power, that feat is way above what he normally shows and is not counted because of the circumstances and temporary amplifications.
He made it back cause batman moved the suns in the exact way to give him a chance to make it while distracting the forger..... the slander on batman giving the set up is insane
The thing with Superman prime 1mil. is, that as far as Im aware, he has no actual feats on screen. Could have changed, since I haven't read up about it, since a while, but really from what I know, it's just scaling from other versions of Superman, with which I have no problem
I mean yeah, but Superman also has some of the best stories in comics to balance it out. Like "All-Star Superman", "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", "Superman vs the Elite", and more. He's got some schlock, but he's got some great stuff too.
Yeah that's nonsense. What you mean to say is that you don't like Cosmic Stories, which is fine. The entire point of them is being weird and crazy space stuff that doesn't really matter. But it has nothing to do with strongest heroes and everything to do with the weird metaphorical stuff that was probably the result of drug use at the time. XD
I don't know why people really underestimate Superman. The dude is seriously one of, if not the most powerful superhero in basically any universe. That doesn't mean he can win every fight but the people who can beat him have to have some reality warping abilities or something
The real.issue with comics is there is 780 different versions and its impossible to keep up with every single version without spending a very large chunk of your time studying said characters.
I kinda hate superman at this point, there's never any stakes when he's involved because of all his bs. His one weakness is more of an inconvenience at this point and whenever he's packed into the most cornery corner like that world forger situation, he just pulls some bs outta his ass and still wins. He is the kid on the playground who keeps upping his power as the game goes on to be slightly stronger than the other kid who still bothers playing with him
and this goes well with my argument that Superman beats Thanos because people just say thanos can summon Kryptonite, when superman nowadays is resistant to kryptonite.
Me:Superman's one weakness is Kryptonite right Writers:(Smile) Me:Supermans weakness is kryptonite right? //this is why I hate superman cause they say Batman has plot armour but Superman's One Weakness is no longer a weakness apparently
I think the problem is with constantly reboots and edit to to cannon, and changing writers it hard to know unless you a constant fan. Like he can be one punch worls forger one moment then the next issue he is on the brink of death cause some dude as a new special platinum death ray.
People always use the Kryptonite argument, but dont know that Kryptonite has slowly become less of a weakness, and more of a plot device/obstacle to be rendered useless if story demands. Like, Kryptonite Doomsday aside, do they not forget how in Superman Returns he literally went into the sea, dug out a GROWING CONTINENT (as in, still growing at an exponential rate) made of Kryptonite and threw it into space, with a broken piece of Kryptonite stabbed on his side, and still survived. And thats just Base Form Superman lol that much Kryptonite should have killed him.
Quick question about Superman. When Superman soaks in the sun for power does that power eventually run out till he is back in base or is the power gained from staying in the sun permanent.
With comics, inconsistencies always exist. I mean Superman prime was beaten by the seven deadly sins but he’s supposedly supposed be a godlike entity. It’s always because Some writers can’t make a good story without nerfing the strongest guy
Ofc the superman fan is out here talking smack about batman, calling him a douche when he isn't even relevant. I'm a flash fan above all else but batman gets a undeserved amount of hate and it makes the ones where batman is put up against someone seem biased
World Forger is literally a complex multiversal being who created multiple multiverses, and Superman one shotted him because of Sun. Superman officially has the most plot armor and bs pulls in the history of fiction.
There's a reason behind why Superman is that strong and why Superman gets such a big power up from the sun ,Read doomsday clock. Superman doesn't have the most plot armour and bs pulls in fiction
@@vn9574 What about him? Current day Superman is more powerful than him,Even in the silver age it's established hoe Superman's story is so powerful and why he always triumphs.
It's funny how classicman called bruce a deuce but the only reason supes got enough power was because batman set the suns up in a way he Clark could go through each one, also said he had faith Clark would make it
It's shit like this that make me laughter when people be out here saying superman can be beat by _____. Unless the character can make him not exist superman can win any physical fight. And more often than not he'll win mental fights too
Imagine not knowing all the Superman lore, and getting destroyed in an argument.
That's why I won't touch Marvel or DC comics there are just so many versions of the same character and it's hard to keep track with all of them not to mention that Marvel and DC reset their universes so many times throughout the years so why bother
you brain dead for commenting this
@@ssj4182 That’s reasonable. I just read Spider-Man and manga.
@@sagecious4906 the only comic series I'm reading is the idw tmnt series, best version of tmnt in my opinion lol
Superman 1mill is not part of the lore, it's a glorified what if fan fiction. Without a weakness struggles Superman is as bland as an isekai protagonist. That's why Superman tas if so great.
Superman Prime 1m: Accidentally BREATHES too hard.
World Forger: Anyways I started dying
Lmao
Forger:"attacks whit all his might"
1M:sorry i didn't focus,when did we start to fight?
......you do know he was stated to be weaker than 5th dimensional beings like by his writer also died to the 7 deadly sins and worlder forger is a 6th dimensional being right?
That was the most anime punch in a American comic I've ever seen
Comics have become more and more like anime and manga over the years. Cause they are getting wrecked by it. Badly.
I wouldn't expect less from a dude who once pulled several planets on a massive chain.
@@ImTheMan0fSteel not really it’s more they are taking influence from each other
@@alexbenitez7399 nah dude, manga is outselling comics by an insane degree. In the states. Yeah, in the states. DC and marvel have seen massive drop offs while last two years manga sales in the states have gone up 170 percent... Yeah.
They are absolutely taking inspiration heavily from manga and anime in American comics. Cause they have to try something. They are not even making money anymore. Being kept afloat by merch sales and the movies.
@@ImTheMan0fSteel well avengers forever isn't that bad. Doubt it'll sell even close to your basic manga but by a storytelling standpoint it's one of the last comics that care more about the story then some shitty political message. Thor God of fists is personally my favorite rendition of the character. (Issue 7 thor God of fist dropped last month August 24th 2022)
I'm glad he mentioned the Kryptonite thing, it isn't even a weakness anymore, it never really was.
It is when the plot demands it.
As far as I know, currently it just allows regular weapons to break through his skin. Which is meaningless considering how fast he regenerates.
Yes....it was
We not gonna act like he didnt almost die a few times from that thing
Not that much anymore, no, but it used to be almost like mustard gas to a human
Tbh, it depends on the writer
To be fair to Bats, he had faith in Supes breaking out and littered the space with little suns for him to exploit.
No no, it's more important we focus on hating Batman at every chance.
Batman suck
@@duncannslade the world needs balance. Too many hyper fanboys will create hate on their own. Nobody disliked Bats until it started getting ridiculous.
@@dbearded130I don't get that hate for a fake person he's not real why are people trying to say what ge can't do. When his training to become batman was MASSIVELY unrealistic he literally became a master of all martial arts, a expert mechanic, a genius scientist, a master detective, a monk, a top level pilot, and a therapist all before the age of 30 he did all that in his 20s when he was traveling the world. People stop batman is super human with Emphasis on the human.
ClassicD literally had a video explaining that Batman did not help Superman and in fact helped World Forger make it worse for Superman just so he can be proven wrong.
Just saying. It is sad how Superman can defeat tough enemies and somehow Batman has to get credit for it.
Superman even calls out Batman for betraying him.
That image of Superman jumping through the sixth dimension looks sick! I’m pretty sure the afterimages around him are his past and future selves!
Those are his son and adopted Father
@@hadesthereaper8980 - Pa Kent will lend you these hands if you mess with his son
Beta Superman Hater: “Easily defeated by kryptonite”
Superman: *fought kryptonite infused doomsday* *one shotted World Forger*
Alpha Superman Enjoyer: “Where would you get kryptonite if Batman was on Superman’s side”
Yeah at one point they decided to round up all the kryptonite so villains can't get it and they found out its not as rare as they thought it was
@@unoreverse130 you just reminded me of this one animation where is the Justice League trying to decide who should be the leader of the Justice League and Batman says that kryptonite isn't even rare anymore this purse Snatcher I caught last week had three of them
@@Fallout4277 bro i watched that, that video was spitting straight facts
@@flashrunner2689 hey yes it was the only thing they did not mention was that Wonder Woman can be easily defeated by being restrained by literally anything I'm dead serious by the way because the Joker was about to kill her while she was restrained with a common regular rope
Speaking of Batman, how this nigga taking hits from Superman and people still saying he need prep time? He literally has feats against Superman multiple times
Superman : Dude I'm just getting started
I think alot of the issue is superman is only as capable as the writer handling him. I remember a time when ivy got em with spores you know the guy who can move and react stupid fast
I mean this can apply to pretty much any marvel or dc character one momment batman is dodging darksides lasers who can tag even superman next he's just barley dodging bullets
@@justsomeguyontheinternet7134 exactly that's what I was trying to convey that these characters have been through so many shows and comics alot of fans who haven't seen em all have very different mental pictures of the characters. As an example I didn't know super man prime was a thing
@@goreobsessed2308 yeah it all depends on the person writing the comic and to be honest with you I didn't even know who the fuck the world for divorce either or who the hell Superman Prime was
Yeah, even Prime 1M has gotten hoed before.
Super(Boy) Prime: "Am I a joke to you!?"
Superman 1 Million: "Yes."
Cosmic armor “no cause a joke would at least be fun your are boring “
Yes lmao
Soupman: both of y'all are boring
(Btw Soupman is what Dark Side call Superman)
Nope I aint gonna fight superman
That superman doing the punch with his dad and son is like the coolest fucking comic panel i have ever seen
I know,right. Came in here looking for this comment lol
I'm not even close to being a fan of Superman, but even I know and have no problem admitting that Prime One Million stomps in most fights/comparisons.
That makes two of us I'm not really a fan of Superman but I'm not afraid to admit he would stop in most fights unless he's fighting kumagawa
I agree DC and Marvel power scaling is bullshit actually fuck it don't even bring into power scaling because those characters are all over the place in power and to quote stan lee the winner is who the writer wants to win and unfortunately we have too many writers bad ones at the least
This is so accurate, it's so surprising how people downplay sups, well it seems no one read comics accurately anymore 😥❤️😥
I'm going to be completely honest with you I stop reading a good majority of the Marvel and DC Comics because it's like they get reset it so many times and there's so much to keep up on that I just couldn't take it anymore so I stopped giving a fuck about the comics except certain ones and to be honest with you I don't even mess with Superman like that anymore
Cause comics are trash now and have been for a while
@@pablohernandes4027 lol 😂 it seems you never picked up a comic😂for example can you compare she Hulk in the comics to the nonsense and idiotic Disney plus show???? Yh I thought so
@@pablohernandes4027 dont get me wrong some movies are cool but you saying this is a complete disrespect 😂 cuz even the producers at mavel knows that comics is the life of the show
@@dam-silver those movies are the only thing keeping marvel and dc alive. Remember when a single manga out sold the entire comic book industry. Comics are trash lol
Stop the cap. Batman helped clark on that event. Don't call him a douche.
The Agenda trumps all sane analysis.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Superman gets slightly more resistant to kryptonite every time he gets exposed to it.
If that's true, it's dumb as hell. Not on you tho.
That is a huge possibility to consider actually
@@Byrnethedestroyer Well I guess we still have the red sun as backup, though its slower.
@@ByrnethedestroyerStill better than Batman taking off his black underwear, wrapping it around his face, and using it to fall from orbit while taking ZERO damage.
@@scottsommer9843Because He's Batman
Out of curiosity, how many comics of Superman has been done by different writers?
According to Wikipedia: about 34.
A billion. Why?
A couple thousand
I don't know if I can guarantee you in each different comic he was less and less affected by kryptonite which kind of irritates me a little bit going to be honest
Best one was by John Byrne.
The writer determines the winner.
that being said: there are so many versions of every super hero both in marvel and DC it's hard for the avid reader of the comics to keep up.
I mean not really like just read the main version it’s not like there’s that many series with characters from other universes.
@@alexbenitez7399 that's the thing though, Throughout all of marvel and DC there have been a few resets of both respective universe's. Do I read the current version that's out and will get reset in a years time or Is looking at old source material as reliable information in a "who would win" argument.
Superman, for example, has versions of him where a small rock of kryponite can disable his powers and in other versions he can lift a mountain of the stuff. It can just be confusing when there are so many versions of the same character that have the same weakness but is either seemingly not affected by it or is immediately crippled by being near it.
As I said in my first comment, the writer determines the winner.
@@gabrielreyes4932 I mean you could just look up a reading guide that tells you all of that. Like in rebirth everything from post crisis to flashpoint happened and that’s how it’s been ever since. Marvel doesn’t have reboots so it’s a continuing story.
@@gabrielreyes4932 there’s literally never been a reboot in the history of marvel and dc has only been rebooted once.
@@alexbenitez7399 bro even those guides just prove how complicated it is.
That moment with Superman flying through the suns was so hype. I don't remember the last time I had that much hype reading a comic
Everyone and their nan has kryptonite but he still wins
Yeah unless it's golden kryptonite and yes that is an actual thing there are so many variants of kryptonite
@@Fallout4277 exactly my point. Bro
@@CRAZYSUPURS_FR yeah but I kind of want to see him get exposed to Pink Kryptonite if you don't know what that does it make him gay Too much exposure will turn him into a female
The reason why superman doesn't seem powerful sometimes is because he holds back so much.
And also considering the fact that there's about 34 Superman Comics each one being written by a different a writer
Tooootally holding back when he got KNOCKED OUT by a tanker truck exploding. Totally. Had to pretend that shit hurt cause... reasons.
Imagine supes just shows up and flicks the world forger in the forehead and he just goes fucking flying
"Had help from this douche." Had me laughing way to hard.😂😂😂
I like it better when his weaknesses are actually a weakness instead of slight inconvenience
Superman gets dogwalked by Spongebob.
Depends on which superman cause Super man prime should win
Superman is that kid that goes, no I cancel your power to cancel powers....
Because Superman is the definition of we have to keep escalating and ret conning for things to just get more exciting
Okay I sent in multiple requests but like I would love for you to do Giorno Giovanna and ger vs kumagawa
Holy shit thats a good one but it should be kumegawa. Unless giorno giovanna can remove powers and so far that hasnt happened
I'm going to be honest with you. As powerful as All Fiction is the power even under Medaka who puts Abilities at 110% (yes 110%) of their effectiveness couldn't use it to undo the injuries they sustained against a certain person. She even admitted to using it directly on the individual but nothing.
Unless Kumagawa can somehow undo the concept of a Stand then sure, maybe he can win. But GER might screw him over on an attempt, key word is might in this situation. Because if GER has existence erasure resistance then he'll have the upper hand.
Sure, Kumagawa has Bookmarker, he can physically weaken him to win the fight but that's just physically. Stands are another story, we've seen stands do things their hosts can't do, so Bookmarker won't be doing much. Kumagawa also can't see a Stand, so he won't even see anything coming.
However, Kumagawa has admitted to reading manga, so chances are JoJo manga exists in Medaka Box so he may have outsider knowledge.
Alright you guys made this sound interesting what anime/ comic you refering to where do i start
Kumagawa.
@@rashawnbrown4262 Kumagawa is from the manga called Medaka Box. He doesn't appear until around early-midish into the manga.
Giorno if it wasn't picked up in my explanation is from JoJo. I do suggest watching all the way until his season as you do come to further understand most stands along with where his stands in the series. Although reading the manga is fine too. But in Kumagawa case manga is your only choice as he only has a canon ova anime wise to give the concept of his power BUT NOT THE LIMITATIONS. Which is where people tend to overhype him without mentioning.
That superman punch with his son and dad there was a top 3 supes momen ever
"We are more than we can ever imagine"
This is scary when u realize that if he can do that by sitting in the sun, imagine what would happen to the Infected Superman from DCeased that ALSO flew into the Sun.
That got resolved in the newer issue of DCeased I'm not gonna telly ou how because I don't want to spoil but yeah
People forget superman's greatest power. Multiple authors who'd rather jump a billion sharks than let superman lose a fight he reasonably should lose.
Superman is as strong as the plot needs him to be
same with the Flash
One reason to critize the horrible writing in DC
@@agsdragon5475 exactly they can’t scale there own characters
@@shaftcity5842 so true this is why I like anime and manga better I don't give fuck if people say comics are stronger they are only saying it to make themselves feel better in a childish dream in a world where we don't need a superman like figure but just men doing the right thing
Generational Superman punch got me hyped af
I find hilarious how people do not know how overpowered superman is.
Its becaues its so stupid that its hard to beleve
The WB movies did that....
Im really glad when you do debates you stick with the feats of 1 version of the character.
It gets tiresome when people use multiple version if the same character to explain why they could beat someone else.
Bro they may as well just get rid of his weakness to kryptonite because he’s always somehow overcoming those weaknesses
Attempt 5 to ask for Shido Itsuka from Date a Live vs Issei from Highschool DXD
Does shido he get all power from his harem
@@Darkflame1423 yeah, it's only fair with Issei's boost ability
@@Dalek15 might have to give it to shido his ability are too good even though Issei can not only boost himself but weaken his opponents I still give it to shido
@@Darkflame1423 that’s cause everyone he fights is a weemen XD
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I’ll never understand how one alien race is capable of all this shit with no training and by just using stars to charge them up they’re able to beat god like beings
bro spent 30$ on something that he could’ve looked up
I like that the question is specific. My problem with so many of these anime and comic arguments is that they never specify what state the character is in
Day 1 of asking for superman vs wally west
Superman was so outlandishly powerful in the OG material that they literally had to rewrite the universal structure of DC comics to make up for how powerful he was. Like he had so many powers he basically was thanos on acid. Mf had too many powers for the writers to even remember.
Opinion on soul eater?
And they say batman got the most plot😂😂😂
So if he's powered by the sun is superman a plant
And gokus a Disney princess he has the magic hair, talking animal friends, and was saved by a big strong man
@@unoreverse130technically ki isn’t magic but I see your joke
That shot of Supes charging his punch with his son and his dad looks so fucking cool
The issue with Superman and Kryptonite is how inconsistent he is. At one point he could move an island of kryptonite and then at another point a block of kryptonite has him on his knees. That's why I think when having these conversations you should talk specifically about what version of Superman you're doing. Like Brave and the Bold is a more subdued Batman then some of the ones that pull gadgets out of their butts and have crazy feats that don't even make sense. So I don't think it's that people don't understand how resistant he is to Kryptonite rather he has been inconsistent about his resistance for a long time.
Superman is THE epitome of a borong character
What did Batman do to make him call him a douche?
I’m just saying, I hate Superman because of how broken and op he is. Now I will say I like Goku because he builds up to being basically a god but this dude is just ridiculous.
But that's the whole point, isn't it? In my opinion, the best superman stories aren't the ones where he has to fight the biggest baddest villain ever who's super strong and the most evil guy around or smth, it's the ones where he has to deal with human problems. A superman story, in my opinion, should always be more about a god trying to live amongst mortals more than just a straight up battle
@@charliehigginson7990 spoken like a true fan 👍
Bro Superman does the same he didn’t start with all that power like sure he’s stronger than the average but he could get whooped by all his villains.
Glad Dragon ball fans are realizing what we knew all along Supe's bodies Goku
Yeah but that's the reason why superman is only used during universe ending threats, you never see him fighting a low level villain you see him fight literal gods. Also all Goku did was do a few pushups and yell really loud let's not act like he had to do much to get his powers and I like Dragonball.
'-' my problem is with superman his weaknesses is basically the slang for every weaknesses for every other character and yet that weakness some how no longer works on him Superman is Mary sue and I will die on that hill
That's why I hate characters like Superman, either make the character grow from weak to op or write fun op characters like one punch man
Ah i see your a superman fan boy that why you don't like batman now it all makes sense
think its more of a running joke atp
@@PAINBODEE idk man i think he's just a superman fan boy
Ok and? Like do you know the amount of Batman fanboys who do the same for Superman?
Superman has a vulnerability to magic and a Kryptonite Weakness but those are not as crypling and some seem to believe, the dude is a fucking OP guy who can one-shot almost everyone
Me watching Superman also get beat by Atomic Skull who at best is Planetary.
That Superman wasn’t supercharged by 6 suns
Kinda glad the person who made the suggestion _specified_ the version he was talking about. Because a BUNCH of people would use Prime 1 Million's feats to justify their Vs Debate claim
Why do we keep bringing this man up in fights. Even if there is someone who can beat him, Dc will just make so Superman becomes even stronger Than that person.
While also making him homosexual and gender neutral apparently 🥴
I’m late too this but, that last part applies to his actual son Jonathan Kent, but I can’t blame you, even as an avid Superman Fan, I find it hard to keep track of their continuity.
Honestly I kinda feel sad but happy for superman 1million because he got to recreate his home world and his wife in a more perfect body able to handle his own body too
Of course sup 1 mil wins. The guy literally ressurected planet krypton and everyone in it.
I want you to make a video on fate characters mfs are outversal, can erase not existence but entire concepts and have crazy weapons that are the embodiment of something.
Imagination that is why people hate Superman because the writers keep coming up with crazy s***
possibly most balanced fight you could actually do is superman vs ben ten
Superman 1 mil literally created his own universe... Its no contest.
This like a John Wick meme situation
Prime Superman: *breathes*
World Forger: *starts sweating*
Nah he breaths dudes getting his entire gene pool erased
One thing that bugs me about comics is the inconsistency between each version. One author makes Superman a God that transcends mortality, meanwhile another writes him to be weak enough to be beaten by Harley Quinn or something.
Yeah, Goku is weaker than many versions of Superman, but at least he is written by one man and remained somewhat consistent (except bullshit reasons like being damaged by a bullet).
As a superman fan, its always fun to bust out 30 reasons why base superman stands a shot against whoever they say can beat him 😂
It's been a while so I don't remember much of this comic but if am not mistaken, the Superman in question (rebirth) was already elevated to a higher level of existence when they were in the 6th dimension and then charged up by several suns to be able to perform that feat.
This is the reason people don't give that feat to Superman as something that he can consistently replicate. It might not be an outlier but given his more consistent display of power, that feat is way above what he normally shows and is not counted because of the circumstances and temporary amplifications.
I wonder which Yu-Gi-Oh! villain would be considered the craziest in both the anime and manga
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Love the videos tho btw.
Can someone get this man a better quality headset please. Tht amazon plastic needs to go. Ur vids are good now get urself a reward
Things DC Fans should know: Kryptonite only works 100% of the time when Batman uses it
He made it back cause batman moved the suns in the exact way to give him a chance to make it while distracting the forger..... the slander on batman giving the set up is insane
The thing with Superman prime 1mil. is, that as far as Im aware, he has no actual feats on screen. Could have changed, since I haven't read up about it, since a while, but really from what I know, it's just scaling from other versions of Superman, with which I have no problem
Superman prime is literally a god!
Holy shit the strongest heroes have usually the worst stories. Essentially boils down to two kids saying “but my heroes power is infinite+one.”
I mean yeah, but Superman also has some of the best stories in comics to balance it out. Like "All-Star Superman", "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", "Superman vs the Elite", and more. He's got some schlock, but he's got some great stuff too.
Yeah that's nonsense. What you mean to say is that you don't like Cosmic Stories, which is fine. The entire point of them is being weird and crazy space stuff that doesn't really matter.
But it has nothing to do with strongest heroes and everything to do with the weird metaphorical stuff that was probably the result of drug use at the time. XD
Super man has the ultimate weapon............... plot armor
Everyone does
I love that you're getting paid to answer easy questions and one sided fights
I don't know why people really underestimate Superman. The dude is seriously one of, if not the most powerful superhero in basically any universe. That doesn't mean he can win every fight but the people who can beat him have to have some reality warping abilities or something
How strong is Superman?
Me: Well let’s look at how crazy the writers decided to make him this time
The real.issue with comics is there is 780 different versions and its impossible to keep up with every single version without spending a very large chunk of your time studying said characters.
Can u do ghost rider vs Anti monitor
One thing I noticed is that any time a question like this pops up he always says the loser first or gives information about the winner
When you said quintessence my mind went to the quintesson from transformers 😂
Bro capping on Batman so much it’s crazy 💀
I kinda hate superman at this point, there's never any stakes when he's involved because of all his bs. His one weakness is more of an inconvenience at this point and whenever he's packed into the most cornery corner like that world forger situation, he just pulls some bs outta his ass and still wins. He is the kid on the playground who keeps upping his power as the game goes on to be slightly stronger than the other kid who still bothers playing with him
Superman is SUPER for a reason dammit!
and this goes well with my argument that Superman beats Thanos because people just say thanos can summon Kryptonite, when superman nowadays is resistant to kryptonite.
Tries to claps on people not knowing about superman while not knowing about superman yourself... Very logical🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Me:Superman's one weakness is Kryptonite right
Writers:(Smile)
Me:Supermans weakness is kryptonite right?
//this is why I hate superman cause they say Batman has plot armour but Superman's One Weakness is no longer a weakness apparently
Though my years of reading comics I can say this with 100% Superman’s kryptonite weaknesses rlly depends on the writer 😭
I think the problem is with constantly reboots and edit to to cannon, and changing writers it hard to know unless you a constant fan. Like he can be one punch worls forger one moment then the next issue he is on the brink of death cause some dude as a new special platinum death ray.
See they are literally making unstoppable for no reason
People always use the Kryptonite argument, but dont know that Kryptonite has slowly become less of a weakness, and more of a plot device/obstacle to be rendered useless if story demands.
Like, Kryptonite Doomsday aside, do they not forget how in Superman Returns he literally went into the sea, dug out a GROWING CONTINENT (as in, still growing at an exponential rate) made of Kryptonite and threw it into space, with a broken piece of Kryptonite stabbed on his side, and still survived.
And thats just Base Form Superman lol that much Kryptonite should have killed him.
Quick question about Superman. When Superman soaks in the sun for power does that power eventually run out till he is back in base or is the power gained from staying in the sun permanent.
With comics, inconsistencies always exist. I mean Superman prime was beaten by the seven deadly sins but he’s supposedly supposed be a godlike entity. It’s always because Some writers can’t make a good story without nerfing the strongest guy
Ofc the superman fan is out here talking smack about batman, calling him a douche when he isn't even relevant.
I'm a flash fan above all else but batman gets a undeserved amount of hate and it makes the ones where batman is put up against someone seem biased
World Forger is literally a complex multiversal being who created multiple multiverses, and Superman one shotted him because of Sun. Superman officially has the most plot armor and bs pulls in the history of fiction.
There's a reason behind why Superman is that strong and why Superman gets such a big power up from the sun ,Read doomsday clock. Superman doesn't have the most plot armour and bs pulls in fiction
@@davidjones1341 Then what about Silver Age Superman?
@@vn9574 What about him? Current day Superman is more powerful than him,Even in the silver age it's established hoe Superman's story is so powerful and why he always triumphs.
@@davidjones1341 SA Superman literally has bs pulls every single time. Whatever ability you can think of, he can do it.
@@vn9574 He does have various abilities but his attack potency and Destructive capabilities aren't a match for current supes
Superman 1 million is doing worldforger the way dr Manhattan did rorschach.
It's funny how classicman called bruce a deuce but the only reason supes got enough power was because batman set the suns up in a way he Clark could go through each one, also said he had faith Clark would make it
I feel like reaching godhood in both marvel and DC has no meaning anymore. At this point every hero is a god
It's shit like this that make me laughter when people be out here saying superman can be beat by _____. Unless the character can make him not exist superman can win any physical fight. And more often than not he'll win mental fights too
man just casually gets mad at batman in the middle of a superman video then moves on.