Who Is The GREATEST Premier League Team Ever? 👀 | Saturday Social ft Rory Jennings & Thogden
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Rory Jennings & Thogden join Smithy and Joe this week on Saturday Social. After an incredible performance against Real Madrid, Manchester City confirmed their place in the Champions League final giving them the chance to complete a historic treble - but where would that rank against the best Premier League teams of all time?
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Wow with Rory and Thogden you know this is gonna be lacking any logic, and be an absolute laugh
It's like Maguire and Jones duo..
I know !! We all know you-tubers are the best football pundits 😂😂😂😂
@@areebsiddiqui758 😂😂😂😂 Rory predicted that haaland will only score 15 goals come out from hiding under the rock
True but also saying that he did make a very logical point that "invincible season" is actually a lie because they lost plenty of times in 3 other cups so it's really just a "invincible league season".
@@dominikknight1995 You're literally proving my point.
"Winning the treble is impossible. I know it's potentially going to happen this season." Never change Rory 🤣
“Its impossible but it’s about to happen for the second time in my lifetime”, guys an absolute sausage.
@@dazediss6629 everyone would’ve said leicester winning the league is impossible
@@dazediss6629 I think he means its just such an amazing achievement and it really is....but yes he is a sausage
Ntm the countless times the eu teams have done it, incl his former idol Jose! But arsenal 5 min earlier when everyone argued with him about arsenal doing something that hasn't happened before... nope irrelevant! His contradictory statements know no bounds
@@dazediss6629 second? Uhm, second in England, in the pl era is what I think you mean. Literally all of the major eu teams have done it, even if we only count since ucl '92
That 98/99 United team was unreal. People forget just who they had to go through to win that European Cup - Barcelona with Rivaldo and Figo, Inter Milan with Ronaldo and Zamorano, Juventus with Zidane, Davids, Dechamps and Inzaghi, not to mention Bayern Munich twice (group stage and the final). Players and teams that have become all time legends were defeated by that United team.
In the FA Cup they had to beat Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool before beating Newcastle in the final - the most difficult opponents they could have possibly faced.
It's always hard comparing teams from different eras, and you can argue that football is faster and more athletic now than it's ever been, but it's also less aggressive and physical than it's ever been. Asking teams from one era to compete against teams from another is essentially asking each team to give away one of their main advantages - toughness and the ability to tackle hard (and withstand hard tackles) from one side, or the time/space to play nice football without getting booted into row z on the other.
Perhaps if we're going to compare teams from different eras, they should be two-legged games: one with modern referees and VAR, and one with a 90s approach to refereeing and no VAR. I'd pay good money to see that.
Only needed 79 pts
@@dman9152 So? Still won the league. No one remembers by how many points, just that you've won the league. No other prem team winning the title has had to go through the teams he's stated above to win the FA cup and Champions league. Then again no other team other than united have won the treble, so having to play games every 3 days probably contributed to a lower league points total. Not united fault no one could challenge whilst they challenged on 3 fronts.
@@94aman94 bad to only get 79 pts , Leicester got 81pts. Treble liverpool done that in 1984.
The Champions League run was very overrated. United never beat Barcelona in the groups. Inter Milan finished 8th in Serie A that season and Juventus finished 7th. They didn't actually have to play any hard teams on the way to the final and is arguably one of the easiest runs to the final ever. The level of competition domestically is also much lower than it is today.
Didn't play round 16 ucl that's so easy nothing special like this city team
Rory saying this 2002 Arsenal team is better whilst holding the picture of the 97/98 team 😂 says it all really
Rory and Thogden on the same episode.
… yeah I’ll give this one a miss
Sjdhhdndfha
Where’s Mark Goldbridge
Cant miss this. Will be carnage as always
Can't lie when thogden talks, Rory talks seems more sensible.
Thanks for the heads up 👍 pair of whoppers
Thogden made rory look like a footballing expert
Not really. Bro said that the treble is impossible and has never been done before, then says it might happen this year. Then says that it doesn't matter that the invincibles has never been done before.
@@TribalWarsRDA could never compare gundogan and mahrez to Keane and beckham, thogden is clearly wrong
@@JoeSmith-br4qx cherry picking much? Ake, Dias, Stones, Rodri KDBKDB, HAALAND?? Jack Grealish Bernanrdo Silva Ederson, if these team splay each other city will batter them 5-0 no doubt maybe a goal for set pieces
Rory simultaneously arguing context is important and comparing the same club's trophy records from different eras to determine which version of that team is best is my favourite part.
This is a question that makes no sense because every era was different the 90s, 00s and 10s and now 20s are all different but prime Man Utd and prime Chelsea were an incredible team to watch and hate to say it but even Man City are incredible to watch. Pep has the team like a damn A.I.
its too modern and destroyed football
@@kukunase1686 "too modern" Aight lets play the balls like its caveman era
Wegner always played beautiful football
This city team plays any other prem team off the park. Even the invincibles n the chelsea team
It's called Unlimited funds 😊 He can get whoever he likes and do whatever he wants. He can bench 100M players for a year and let go of some of the best players in the world without flinching. He has free and absolute reign in recruitment and sales, he could sell Haaland and buy Ohsimen if it suited him more next season. A great situation he's got up there 😊
The disrespect to Liverpool man… that 19/20 PL season is the most dominant PL win ever. 25 points clear at one point. Same team won the CL the year before. They deserve top 5. Covid stopped them from getting about 105 points
100% true
How quickly people forgot about Man City 18/19 team. They won the domestic treble (PL, FA cup and League Cup) and showed us one of the best title run-ins ever, winning all of their last 14 PL matches, finishing at 98 points. Certainly, one of the best.
Liverpool got 97pts and won the champions league and didn't have to break FFP 115 time's.
@@dman9152 and finished second. 🤫
@@dman9152
1 PL in over 35 years 🤫
As a Man CIty fan, I think that team was better than the centurions. Just 2 fewer points, beating Liverpool in the greatest premier league title race of all time and we won the FA Cup.
@@dman91524 in 5 baby, cry about it
How Rory gets a job on here I will never know 😂
He brings the views in I guess
@@munachiatuegbu4099 true but it makes you think if he can get a job on sky then anyone can. I knocked this video off after he said no to arsenals invincible season isn’t on the list 😂
Make a wish
Rory is a melt
One of the great football pundits
Thogden going hard for that Man City team because it's the only one he was alive to see 😂
I think I speak for everyone when I say can we please get Mark Goldridge? Hes not biased, funny and has good ball knowledge
Couldn't agree more. I honestly don't know why Mark isn't the main man across most of these things. He actually talks complete sense and has a great take on most things.
Goldridge not biased???
A Utd fan who u said is not biased? When ever bruna had a good game he start comparing with goat midfielder in pl kdb 😂
Please, for the love of god... no.
Because Mark dont leave his room :D
The current narrative regarding Gary Neville’s lack of ability is only due to those people having not actually seen him play or not being born in that era. He was one of the best around, especially when Beckham was still at the club. Their link up play down that right wing was telepathic at times.
And due to him not rating himself
Your in Lala land...what you smoking?
They were good, but the premier league back then was still quite primitive. Yes they did win the champions league final too so they are a great team....But Beckham and Gary Neville, Phil neville would get absolutely torched by modern clubs now.
The overall quality was lower back then. Gary Neville is a solid player that I can see playing for Everton or a Burnley, but he wouldn't last in the elite level of today
The current narrative that Neville was a superstar is only due to the united properganda bots, anyone who seen him play knows he was just okay
@@lucascurrell8846 you must be a child. Overall quality was poor back then? Best keepers the league have seen,schmeichel,Czech,van der sar,left backs in cole,midfielders for fun and let’s not talk about the best strikers this league has seen in shearer who’s record still stands,Henry ruud drogba wright bergkamp Cole yorke and many more. the league has haaland and Kane,the rest arnt even as good as a Robbie Keane never mind Owen fowler etc
Long story short,Neville was a machine and great rb,you don’t win 8 league titles under fergie otherwise , if he didn’t rate you , you were gone
@@solo9821 you have either serious bias or too young and barely watched him. Defensively great and a constant attacking fullback before wingbacks were a thing, insane engine. 8 prem titles,England regular and solid against elite champions league opponents. Prime juve inter Bayern Madrid. These are the same peeps who never watched Irwin ince pallister so don’t realise how good he was or think Beckham was just famous for being famous,man was and still is the best passer the league has ever seen kdb included
The Invincibles record would never be broken, even if Arsenal had "12 draws" it doesn't excuse how difficult this achievement is in a highly competitive competition.
PNE went unbeaten in the league and FA Cup.
The invincibles is a marketable achievement. But is by no means great.
Also, how can you be invincible if you crashed out of every other competition?
That is true, however if you get 97 points and lose vs getting 86 points and don’t lose, the team with 97 would still win the title
This Arsenal's invincible is overrated ASF! Drawing 12 games and calling it invincible..Then i can draw 38 games, get relegated and cal myself an Invincible 🤣🤣🤣
Title winning teams can't afford to draw a third of their games. It'll never be repeated because title winning teams want the title, not some invisible achievement alongside finishing 4th or 5th. So no we'll never see it repeated. Because clubs simply don't care enough about it.
Thogden always looks like he think everyone in the room is gonna fight him
Isn’t he still a teenager?
@@tf2368no he’s like 20 😂
@@xdestructivecdx6714he's 22
@@Daniel_ss4 and he's talking down the 99 team 😂, bro wasn't even on this earth to see that team
@@MH-vp7lf he's allowed to disagree
Klopps Liverpool won every trophy in the game and 97, 99 points. Not from a Liverpool fan
Not top 5 for me
@@couturecriminal8330that Liverpool team was one of the greatest and I’d even say that on paper it’s a better team than city, but like 08 united they were unlucky to not win much trophies as they could’ve
@@Deathmare235 maybe better but they have one league title like Blackburn and Leicester and even if they had 2 UCL'S I would sneak them in because of the City dominance I agree the 90+ points honestly is great but they are more akin to Leeds under Don Revie look at that team and what they almost won even lost to Chelsea my team in the 1970 FA Cup final and they were way better than Chelsea.
In 50 years,people will not rate this Liverpool team all they will see is one EPL and one UCL title.
United 07/08 won 3 prems in a row in a tougher era and they also won a ucl while havin ronaldo. Best English team ever.
Very true mate, and We almost won the treble again that season but we got screwed over by the ref in the FA cup final.
They were better than the other overrated utd team. They're not better than the city or chelsea teams
@@chriswolf1089 in what universe is Haaland in the same vein as Drogba? one got over 20 league goals literally once in his entire career. the other broke the PL record at the first time of asking and could still hit 40.
City 2017/18 Centurions and 2018/19 Domestic Treble teams broke all the records.
Except for being invincible
@@DUCKy88ify they LOST 7 games that season ! SEVEN 🤦🏻♂️
City for example have only lost 5 this season.
@@bluecheese4877SAF would Disagree, He said himself that is the Greatest Acheivement Someone could Acheive
@@Salibascored he also said city wouldn’t be better than united in his lifetime
With regards to Arsenal's Invincibles, Ferguson said: “The achievements stand above everything else.”
Better achievement, not a better team
@@joshdawson5850 only man city team is better
you mean the team that lost to Chelsea, Middlesbrough, Man United, Dynamo Kyiv, Inter Milan that same season. They weren't Invincible that season, they lost 5 games, they just managed to avoid losing in the Prem, and they nearly failed at that, Van Nistelrooy missed an injury time penalty in a 0-0 draw with Man United that season, that would have prevented their claim to invincibility. Further, that season they drew both home and away to Man United, Bolton Wanderers and Portsmouth and so failed to beat 3 teams, two of which finished outside the top 7. How is that a brilliant side, or even an invincible side.
@@ChazTB like I said, those weren't my words. You'd have to ask Fergie on what he meant.
@@ChazTB- they were invincible IN THE LEAGUE because they didn't lose a league game. Everyone understands this is the reason for that name... except haters like you who choose to be completely obtuse about it
19/20 Liverpool 99 pts
Probably would be 6th
Surely 19/20 Liverpool get inv
If Chelsea had been the first invincibles team he'd bring it up every 20 minutes.
Tbf the year after, they just lost that one game but broke the point record at the time, and made the best defensive record in history which won’t break for ages 15 goals conceded
@Elegance Of Football that's the point though, such a great defensive record but still lost a game. This Ciry team is immense and still loses games
@@Robmc0381 12 draws and u went out of every cup competition lol
@@KristianDabeski those are facts, not sure they constitute a point, if you're attempting to make one that is. Weird post my dude
I agree with Rory treble winning Man Utd team of 1999 should be No 1.
They weren't even the best United team of the Prem.
Most succesful is not the same as best.
The Man City team now would destroy that man United team, sports progress and teams now are so much better than 20 years ago
@@SamS-uv2qlthe title says "greatest" - that means "most successful"
@@vlsui66 No, it means greatest. They aren't the same thing. An inferior team can beat a greater team.
@@SamS-uv2ql Exactly otherwise you'd have to put Arsenal 2020 team above this current years team who won nothing.
I agree with all of Rory's choices . And to Thogden, the1970 Brazil team is considered the best national team ever by nearly all football historians. If we timetraveled that team to today, would they still perform? Absolutely not!.... for obvious reasons football has evolved in every way possible.That's why we evaluate teams through the lens of history.
Edit: the current Man City will obviously challenge the 99 Man Utd team's position if they also win the treble, but as it stands the 99 United team reigns supreme.
Back then the game was more physical and tackles were very hard. I doubt this man City starting 11 would survive a full season. Now with absolutely level pitches and fantastic balls the game has become a lot more smooth. I doubt man City team of today would get even close to as many points then as they get now. They would challenge United definitely but they look so much above that man United team right now only because times have changed and they're not facing each other off in real time. It's recency bias.
Liverpool 18-20 totally ignored, biggest example of negative ball knowledge.
Big up Rory, there is no question that our 99 TREBLE winning team is the best team in premier league history
not if city wins it this year
City will win it this year, then they can destroy united next year with a 4 peat
@@Jordan-mp6upFFP will strip all the titles mate don't bother
@@Dontmatter433 Still, that Giggs goal in FA Cup semifinal and Ole and Sherringham goals in UCL extra time will be more iconic than whatever City does. Also, it is in our hands to prevent the treble.
@@Daniel_ss4 even if they do strip them which they wont, it still happened no hiding that
Liverpool 99 points and Ucl didnt make the list this has to be a joke😂😂
Why do y'all fans have to make it like liverpool got both trophies in the same season? They got ucl in 2018/19 season and prem in 2019/20 season.
@@aungkhant1850 read the comment 99points and a champions league..that's immense!
@@Surveillance-Ys My point is it is not the same season. u just can't combine 2 seasons and say 1 team
Clicks
*sees thogden and Jennings*
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Sees no Liverpool teams
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I'm a Toon fan who despises Liverpool, but Klopp's 97 point 2nd placed team EMBARRASSES the Invincibles.
The 99pts title winning team in 2020 as well
Tell me you dont have ball knowledge without telling me you don't
@@Robmc0381 The following statement is false.
I have ball knowledge.
@@Robmc0381 these little kids weren’t old enough to witness that team in real time.
@@Robmc0381 How come the greatest manager british football have seen, saying its the ultimate prize in a league?
A few important points here.
Firstly, Having a kid (Thogden) argue the Utd 99 team against the current (insanely funded) City team which he watches live is a bit daft. He wasn't even alive for Utd 99, and if so, wasn't even outta nappies.
Secondly: I doubt he's watched all games from that 98/99 season both domestically and abroad to really understand what that Utd team went up against. This was a tough era. Was the same era as Zidane, Rivaldo, Brazillian Ronaldo, Batistuta, Figo, Raul, Thierry Henry, Shearer, Roberto Carlos, Shevchenko, Stevie Gerrard, Patrick Vieira, Christian Vieri, and the list goes on and on. Some of the biggest legends to ever play. That Utd team beat some of the greatest teams with the best players in history. And won the treble!
Thirdly: You can't compare a Treble to a Centurian because you have to make tough choices towards the end of a season with injuries (especially when the game was much tougher tackle-wise). So some PL games Fergie needed to field a weaker side to save better players from the risk of injury to play in bigger CL games. This was the norm back then. So getting 79 points and winning Champions League and FA Cup was a serious achievement in those times
Lastly: United weren't owned by infinite pockets to allow them to buy the biggest players on earth. Of the squad members in 1999, 77% of the team was homegrown from the British Isles!!! They had a great starting 11, but didn't have the money like City does today to have two strong starting 11s bought from all over the world. City have only 34% of their squad being homegrown. That wasn't a luxury Utd 99 team had, It was simply owned by Martin Edwards who was handed the club from his dad and also sat as the Chairman. So it was operated on profit like a normal business rather than billions in cash injections. I've no issue with big pockets. Great for the league in some ways. But its a point to make as to the actual achievement of the 98/99 squad.
It took a very clever strategy to win The Treble in those times. And Fergie did it without unlimited pockets, plagued with injuries from loads of hard tackling in a very hard era of football. And let's not forget that Utd side wasn't under investigation or charged by the Premier League for breaking financial rules, as this City team has been.
So unless City win the treble this year, there isn't even an argument to the greatest-ever PL side.
The disrespect to Liverpool, to not even be mentioned
The top 5… (as of now)
1- Man Utd 99-01 3 titles in a row and the treble.
2- Man Utd 07-09 3 titles in a row and the CL
3- Man City 18-19 domestic treble, 100pts and retrained the league.
4- chelsea 05-06- 95pts (most at that time) retained the league.
5- between Man Utd 93-94 and 96-97 teams. Both won the f.a cup and league double, and retained the league.
I would put Arsenal 2003/4 4th, and 18/19 Liverpool 5th, Chelsea never would’ve been able to do it without Abramovich, Meanwhile Liverpools Owners are skint
@@Salibascored neither arsenal or Liverpool retained the title so they can’t be in the top 5, I’d argue the arsenal 98 team over the 04 and Liverpool 19 team as they won the double
I would have Arsenal Invincibles and Utd 08 over Mounrinho's 1st year at Chelsea. For context I'm a Spurs fan. Rory is clearly overselling Chelsea here.
Which Spurs team would you pick?
That team played anti football. That team surely can’t be in the top 5. Liverpools team from 2019 was way better
@@mattdavies2736 didnt win though back to back like Chelsea 04/05 as well they also smashed the invincibles in the Champions League...
@@mattdavies2736 Change your weed plug.
99 won a treble when european powers were at their peaks. Ajax, juventus, ac, barca, real. The teams and players were unreal. People disrespect neville but people forget he was best right back in the world until Lahm and then it was a toss up
Yeap this city side come in 3rd i think the 1st rank should go to the 09 & 11 barca side 2nd would be United 99 treble winners and then this city side comes in 3rd
Cafu spilled his coffee reading this.
Bro take a look at Cafu good lord stop the crack smoking.
complete nonsense. Ajax had lost their entire squad due to the Bosman arrest. Of the team that won the CL in 1994/1995 there were only 4 left (including aging players like Litmanen and Blind). They finished 6th in the league as well.
Barça had just lost R9. They did win the league but only won 24/38 matches and finished on 79 points.
Real Madrid was terrible that year, lost 12 league games and drew 5 and finished on 68 points.
Juventus finished 7th in the league in 1998/1999.
The 1998/1999 United team finished the league on just 79 points. They needed replays twice on their road to win the FA Cup. They narrowly edged Barcelona in the group stage to advance in the CL. They beat a struggling Inter team that finished 8th in the league and were without star man Ronaldo. They beat a struggling Juve team that finished 7th in the league and then were mostly outplayed in the final by Bayern who were very unfortunate to lose.
If anything that team had grit and spirit, but it was lacking in quality.
Gary Neville was never at any point in his career the best RB in the world lmfao
Liverpool 19/20 are so clear of Chelsea 04/05 and Arsenal 01/02
im sorry, WHAT? clear of chelsea 04/05? are you off your rocker mate
Liverpool 2018-2020: No team has accumulated more points over two seasons (196) with trophies to boot
pure nostalgia bias for that team to not be in here
City did
1 premiership in the competitions history. Liverpool aren’t in the conversation
@@24sumo aren't we lucky that the video is literally about single seasons then? and in that season we got the second most points anyone has ever gotten in the competition. not only are we in the conversation, but that Liverpool team absolutely smokes most of the teams mentioned in this video
@@matthewbanton7077 Well you are literally not in the conversation.
Hopefully they do a show for the best 2nd placed teams in the prem. You will defo be in that conversation.
Leave the best team to the big boys though
This is honestly stupid. How’s the Liverpool of 19/20 not there? Liverpool’s 17/18 team beat the centurions 3 times. That wasn’t even Liverpool best team over the years. This is shocking
No team plans to be invincible at the beginning of the season. The teams plan on winning trophies, top 4 finish, European places and avoiding relegation. Whether you go invincible or not, what matters is achieving the goal. Being invincible is good, but what matters the most is to actually win something.
unrealistic to plan for the impossible
Well thats not really true, every winning team plans to not lose a game from the beginning of the season now, especially when you're needing 100 points some seasons to win the league.
In terms of premier league only:
1. Prime man city (centurions)
2. Prime liverpool (19-20)
3. Prime chelsea (04-05 but 16-17 is very close)
4. Prime man united (07-08)
5. Prime arsenal (03-04)
In terms of best team to play in the premier league, it’s man united 98-99. Definitely
v sensible list
@@matthewbanton7077 👍
The direspect 2018-2020 Liverpool gets…. Definitely better than those Chelsea and Arsenal teams. Rory “90 points used to make you great” Liverpool done it 3 times in 5 years
And they won one premier league? Those Arsenal and Chelsea teams won multiple.
Chelsea won 2 in a row against Fergies United.
Liverpool won it once.
Better but not greater
They were better than the invincibles but not better than that Chelsea. That chelsea team is even better than the city centurions.
@@xxitactical_8723 Liverpool won one against a 'cook the books' club
He’s holding a picture of Arsenal in 98 and calling it 2002? 😂
We also need to consider how football has evolved. When ranking these teams look at the level of football at the time and how the particular team played
You can barely tackle players these days
@@MrPlenty1 and yet the speed of the game and the fitness levels have improved massively.
The ball hardly is ever just bouncing around, the previous eras definitely lacked ball control all around
Rory, the same guy who said haaland would be lucky to get 15 goals in his first season? That guy?
Liverpool finishing second on 97 points was more impressive than the invincibles
invincibles only got 90 points. The very next season Cheslea got 95, then the season after they completed back to back Prem titles (Something Arsenal have never done.)
coming 2nd is more impressive than winning the league unbeaten...... these people man 😂😂😂
Every team to win the league is more impressive than any team to finish second.
How when no one has ever gone undefeated but the invincibles
@@MH-vp7lf the most points from a team finishing 2nd….
Arsenal Invincibles did not have the strongest squad but probably had the best and most balanced first eleven of sny of these sides. Points total is relative given the strength of the league. If a league is more competitive then teams can take points off each other. Sir Alex Ferguson said that a league campaign with no defeats is the greatest achievement of any team. You will never see a team go 38 league matches unbeaten for some time.
49...
@@Severinate Then robbed at MU with that penalty & Ferdinand taking down Ljunberg as he broke away, was red card!
@@Severinate Yes 49 but I mean 38 games to represent one full season.
Couldnt even beat Portsmouth
@@dman9152 Because it's football and the best teams in the world can still lose to the worse teams??? otherwise the best team in the world would never lose a game lmao
Thogden is such a weird guest choice for this one, he wasn't alive or was too young to remember half of these teams, so why is his opinion valuable?
I would have swapped City's Centerions for the Fourmidables. City's 2018-18 is so underrated. 😢
I agree they won league year, after that next year United won league then Cheslea, Leicester and Chelsea again. And won league by single point too 2012
Fourmidables is such a cringe name please stop saying it 😭
@@Anon97123 only if ur team's never won it..
Even as an Arsenal fan, looking back at the unbeaten season, yes it’s a great achievement but those 12 draws are a massive blemish.
We threw away leads late on, on FIVE occasions - 1-1 Man U (H), 2-2 Spurs (A) 1-1 Everton (A), 1-1 Bolton (A) and 1-1 Leicester (A). That’s criminal.
Those 10 extra points would’ve ensured we accumulated 100 Points instead of 90.
There was also no games in that season where we are really on the ropes in terms of being behind with 80+ minutes to go, where our character would’ve really come out in the wash either way. I would say only the Pompey game away from home where we’d won the league and were just trying to get over the line in the sense of staying invincible. Reyes made it 1-1 but we did hang on a bit, aside from the missed penalty at Old Trafford obviously.
I appreciate it’s a unique achievement, but there are plenty of other teams who I would regard as better than them.
If anyone understands the history of the game, it's someone born in the 21st century.
Man U 2008 squad and 1998-1999 squad
End of story
99 sure but not 08
No.
😂😂
They faced teams of TACTLESS football in that era..Let him face today's era of Tactics and he wouldn't even win Carabao cup 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@eL--RaL this guy 😂
United in '99 won the treble with a squad full of home grown talent, let's not forget that side of it. Not a massive fan of Rory, but I have to admit he's fairly accurate with that list overall in my opinon.
What has a squad being homegrown/not got to do anything with the quality of it. It's a lame and illogical argument.
@D C It's more impressive than throwing billions at it and breaking ffp rules for at least a decade. Bringing through home grown talent is always seen as preferable by most fans. So no, it's not illogical at all.
Was Thogden even born in 1999? Has he only watched clips of that United team in 1999. I was 14 at the time living in Egypt and had cable tv. A South African channel called super sports showed all the champions league games, the FA cup and premier league. I remember following every game. United were ruthless, full of passion and grit. I couldn’t wait for the weekend and midweek games. In February/March i really believed in my heart that United would do the treble. moments that I remember all the twists and turns, the game against Juventus, Arsenal in the FA cup. It was magical. I remember thinking at 90 minutes against Bayern that it was all over and then 4 minutes later, United accomplished the impossible. Imagine having cole and yorke and having Ole and Sheringham on the bench. Throughout the season a midfield of Scholes, Giggs, Beckham and Keane.
Big fan of Rory demonstrating his knowledge of the 2002 Arsenal team while holding and pointing to a picture of the 1998 team.
Liverpool 18-20 has to be there. 97 and 99 points back to back and they got 102 out of 105 points at one point during those season. Thats absurd.
And still only won ONE league against City
Clearly they were second best
@@thegreenchair3293 one league but also 200 less financial doping charges which is kind of important
@@thegreenchair3293 which are currently under investigation for financial doping…
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Every team does
City were just dumb enough to get caught
Only a matter of time til other clubs do
@The Green Chair no not every team does
The football takes honestly weren't that bad tbh. I think liverpool 2020 squad might have a good shout to make top 5, but aside from that I dont really think much would change. Its just a bit hard to compare rosters that were decades apart, especially since the way teams played changed so much between the early 2000s and now.
I think in terms of how the game has evolved and what this team is capable of then yes it's the best team ever, the reason I think people will say its not is more to the fact that City have such a level of apathy towards them that nobody cares and because nobody really cares or has that much feeling towards it then it becomes a question of who is the best team ever that we do feel something about.
The recency bias of thogdan the child 😮
They're better teams. Get over it.
@@afckajjansi no I’ve seen all of them play, children haven’t, stats and TikTok videos are not the best way to form opinion’s (in my opinion 😝)
@@billyprice7852 he's a 22 year old man mate, not a child
Sky sports know what their doing by inviting people like Rory in the last few weeks 😭
Recency bias. Of course Man City is the best..if you're 19 years old
Styles of play differs and Pep has created a style of possession play that old fashioned team would nowhere near cope against. Having said that, this new version of man city are the most devastating english team i have seen in my life with the 3-2-4-1 formation that many big teams just cannot cope with. They don't just play wonderful football but for the first time pep has built a physically imposing team with tall players so they don't just beat you, they bully you completely in big games.
Imagine not even mentioning Liverpool 19/20
Got 99pt following the rules
Rory and Thogden in the same episode. Doesn't get much worse.
Not even started watching but I already know Rory is going to deliver something ‘special’ 😂
Strangely enough I think he had quite a few fair points here.
@@duongnhdn just finally watched it and tbh this is first time I’ve seen Rory make hardly any stinkers 🤣
@@iansmith8112 thogden's takes were actually worse tbh
Best Premier League teams:
1.Manchester United 1999 (Of course, because they won a Treble).
2.Manchester City 2018 (Centurions).
3.Manchester City 2019 (Domestic Treble).
4.Liverpool 2020 (The only Premier League title for Liverpool to date with Jurgen Klopp).
5.Chelsea 2005 (Great season with Jose Mourinho, where they only lost a solitary game vs none other than Manchester City before Abu Dhabi era).
6.Arsenal 2004 (The Invincibles).
I think people should think about liverpool 18\19 if it was not for john stones clearance liverpool could be invincible centurion and quadruple at the same time
Lol by that logic city 18/19 should be their they lost ucl by goal difference vs spurs also they won 4 trophies in one season
Why on Earth was Thogden talking about Phil Neville? Dennis Irwin was their starting left back. There's a reason why in terms of greatest PL left back the conversation normally reverts to Irwin or Cole.
Yeah exactly, he doesn't know what he is talking about
It's gonna be a shame that the 18/19 and 19/20 Liverpool team will always be overshadowed by City but I still think they deserve top 5 if not top 3. If they had beaten City at the Etihad they'd have won the league. That's not me saying they should have and are better or anything just saying how close it was and that City team is obviously the best of all time
The Liverpool title team should be top 5 anyways. Won 26 out of 27(which is 2 less points than Arsenal are on now btw) with 10 games left. Liverpool were European Cup holders at the time something Arsenal teams and city teams never did. Also if it wasn’t for covid they would have smashed the points record. Liverpool probably would have got 105 points. Finished with 2nd beat points total anyways and this isn’t the best English sides ever it’s the PL who cares about trebles in this context Untied won leagues back then with less that 80 points which obviously means in a league campaign getting 99 points means your better. Simple end of story
Liverpool team of 2022 is criminally overlooked none of the teams even came close to a quadruple and they were a courtois inspired performance and Gundogan last 10 minutes goal from doing something never seen in football before.
I assume everyone just hates on liverpool for no reason. Last year they were practically 2 games away from a historic quadrupole.
Disgraceful that they didn’t get a mention.
They have won 1 premiership in 35 years. It’s not because everyone hates Liverpool. Which they should
It’s because they 100% don’t deserve to be in there
Good to see Carvalho getting the recognition he deserves
United but right now has to be man city and Liverpool was great in the English league like the one before the Premier league
Even though they were talking about "Premier League" keep in mind that winning UCL levaite League Status, points collection doesn't matter. To win multiple trophies one team has to fight on multiple fronts which emits numerous aspects such as the squad quality, tactics, world class players, game management, player management, etc. Winning multiple trophies the whole team most games played. United 08 Team should have been in 2nd position.
Earliest premier league winners in history Liverpool 2020/2021 not getting a mention the bias is unbelievable
Even as an Arsenal fan, as much as it pains me, the invincibles are not the best team ever. HOWEVER I’m confident enough though to put them up against anyone and give them a good chance of winning. 49 49 UNDEFEATED🔴⚪️
Agreed our double winning team was probably the best but people should stop with this narrative that it’s overrated and not that good we drew 12 games.We were the best by a mile and 10 minutes away from a championship league
I think your double winning side from 98 is arguably your best side. Both teams are incredible tho
Manchester City 2018/19. Premier League Title, League Cup and the FA Cup. Never been done before as well as doing all of this while winning 14 games on the bounce to win the league against a Liverpool team which got 97 points and also was UCL champions. That’s the greatest no doubt in my mind
I think its very important to rule out stats sometimes, and mainly focus on the players individual ability/team ability. Also, you need to take into consideration the teams each team was playing against. Guaranteed the centurions had an easier time with the opposition in PL then the invincibles or 98/99 man U team. So its important to take that into consideration. I can win a billion cups/tournaments with my team if I played against children, but do those stats matter if someone beat a top pro team with there team?. Thats sort of my point to a lot of this. Its also something that really comes from playing actual futbol rather than watching, as the more you play at a competitive or high level, the more you understand that stats are irrelevant in many ways.
Sad that they didn't mention Klopps title winning Liverpool side here. Accolades alone doesn't determine a sides quality.
I don't think any of the sides mentioned above can match the press of that Liverpool.
Surely Jürgen Kloops men are up there they challenged City and got 99 points and won ucl
didn’t do them in the same season + covid tax
Wrong + behave
@@fqq4137 Covid wasn’t a thing then?
Didn't win the league. How can you be the best in the PL era and not win the league? When you figure out the answer to that? You would also find the fountain of youth and all seven dragon balls.
@@TooMuchFlashing the year they got 99 points was the middle of the pandemic
How is winning a treble impossible when it's been done? 🤔
How's Rory putting Chelsea 2nd and leaving Liverpool 19/20 off the list? Earliest ever title win and if covid never happened they'd have easily broke 100 points... still got 99 as well the 2nd most ever.
Looking at points totals across different seasons is idiotic because that's relative to the competitiveness of those seasons.
A better indicator is the gap between 1st and 2nd. If a team wins the league by 20 points, with a total of 80, thats better than winning the league by 1 point and finishing on 99.
Liverpool fan but I think that first Mourinho Chelsea team was the best. Conceding 15 goals in a season is mind blowing
When you spend that much money on world class players and park the bus..
@@yessi1585 Every team spent a lot but ok
@Yessi parked the bus and yet only scored 1 less goal than the Invincibles the previous system. And Arsenal/Wenger were known for their attractive attacking football.
The spending point also doesn't make sense. It's not actually the same as what City are doing now you can't use it as a criticism in the same way. You can say Chelsea bought their success for sure. But you can't detract from gheir achievements by trying to say they outspent everyone else. When Abramovic came in he spent a lot to catch up with United and Arsenal who had a massive financial advantage over everyone else in ghe league at the time and were dominating. They did buy their success - they wouldn't be where they are now without the money. And they did/do have a financial advantage in the years that followed. But in 2004 when Abramovic had only been there a year they didn't have an unfair advantage over the likes of United and Arsenal. You can't use the money argument to take away from the 04/05 team. I've explained that as clearly as I can but your argument just doesn't work.
@@Anon97123 my argument was that they spent money and had world class players yet continued to park the bus
@@louisdnd934 but its a problem when city do
CITY is The Best side ever in Prem history..They play so devastatingly beautiful football..They used to be all about Possession even when it's not working but now, Pep adapts to other teams into dimming down the possessive-style to transition and Counter-attacking football..No one wants a taste of this City side.. Absolutely No one!
If they win the Treble, it will eclipse United's 1999 Treble without a shadow of a doubt..Only United fanbase who can't accept reality will try to argue 🤣
Best ever side assembled by bending the FFP
If this was about Europe, then it has to be about how many trophies you win, and therefore the Treble winning United team are first, but the title of the video is about PREMIER LEAGUE. So, it has to be based on how well that team did in the Premier League alone, which means the Centurions are probably first.
Nah disagree that United treble team was the basis of the first Prem squad to win three titles in a row.
Cant just compare points from teams that played 20 years apart. They played different teams. Not as simple as City got 100 points so that's the best side. Chelsea getting 95 points 15 years before in an era when no one was getting near that and literally competing right after an time season in the Invincibles with Fergie at United. Idk I'm not saying they're better but context matters. If that 04/05 team played these days who's to say they wouldn't get more than 95 points - they'd be playing against different teams. I think looking at how deep each team went in each competition as well as the point totals, goal difference, records etc gives a better picture of who the better side was. I think 04/05 Chelsea and 17/18 City are similar. Chelsea went further in the Champions League, City were more dominant domestically. If City win the treble this season that's the best side ever argument done imo. Treble with 90+ points and look at who they had to beat on the way to the final - PSG, Bayern and Real Madrid. Thumped them good and proper aswell.
@Anonymous fair point but I personally think that the Centurions could win the league in every era, but no other team could
If we talk by this Logic, Arsenal 2020 are better than Arsenal 2022/23
Liverpool team that won the league with 99 points with only 3 losses from 38 games has to be top 5
I enjoyed it thought it was pretty accurate😊
Liverpool 18-20 is criminally disrespected man, we got 97 points one year and 99 points the next
won 1 league title. Getting so many points doenst matter if you come 2nd.
And won a champions league in that time too
@@MH-vp7lf it does in context
@@dylanmulroe9978 Not at all. History never remembers second place, only the winners.
Not having any of Liverpool’s recent sides here is outrageous. I don’t think people realise that if City weren’t there, those Liverpool sides would be undisputedly some of the best Premier League sides to ever exist
But city are there... Nobody rememberd who came second no matter how good they are
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City are only there because they doped like Lance Armstrong.
Do a combined xi with all 5 teams who in and who misses out
Also depends when the game is played no? If in 99 it's alot more physical dunno if city could live with that. Also if the 99 team put those tackles which were allowed then in a game now there would be a lot of cards
Rare W from Rory
The United treble winners of ‘99 have to be top of this list.
Agree 💯
Nooooo!
How did Thogden manage to say Phil Neville instead of the legend Denis Irwin?
Should be teams based on a 3 year period... That's what defines a proper team and represents a phase where a team can be dominant
4 different categories
European Treble - Man Utd 1999
Most Points - Man City Centurion
Least Goals Conceded - Chelsea 2004 | (Most Goals Scored is not included here is mainly because of rule of diminishing returns - winning every game by 7-0 gives you the same points as winning every game 1-0)
Invincibles - Arsenal 2002
If Man City wins the European treble this season, I would put them at the top. Yes, the Man Utd team of 1999 was sensational
However, this season is also the one that has that one month break in the middle thanks to the World Cup, which can stunt form and weaken teams through injuries
If Man City concedes the FA Cup, I would put them at 2nd
If Man City concedes the UCL, I would put the Man Utd team of 2008 at #2 for their PL and UCL double
“If it weren’t for Southampton and Nathan jones, it could’ve been a quad” is this guy on crack 😂😂 that’s a humiliating result especially on city’s terms.
Oh my word, such recency bias!!!😂
The thing is Liverpool's team just before lockdown would defeat every single one of these team. But they didn't win more premier league and will probably not even be remembered in a decade's time. So unfair!
Thogden says this man city would batter the 99 team it's a opinion but I would've loved to see how haaland would deal with Japp Stam and Peter Schmeichel because that's a match up right there a real test for haaland
Both city teams will beat the hell out of the 99 united side because of pep's system of play will force them into submission regarding possession. Styles make teams and 442 classical just won't work with this man city team because they'd drag them from wide positions and force 1v1 on the wings while united fullbacks wouldn't know if they need to stay tight inside or come out and defend more on the wings. It's about Haaland per say but more about the sysem evolution that pep came up with . United 99 would be beaten comprehensively and would barely have the ball out of their halves. Football tactics have evolved bro.
@R Y. works both ways with tactical styles evolving the united team would legit snap the city team in the tackles for playing this way physically they wouldn't handle that battle.
Schmeichel Neville Stam Irwin will snap the city front line in half
Beckham Keane Scholes Giggs the best midfield 4 in prem history would not only physically batter the city midfield but what you are forgetting about that united side is their work rate to cover each other
Cole and Yorke's link up is up there with the best and would cause city problems
It would be a hell of a game but I wouldn't dismiss a united team that could physically dominant city into submission and have the quality to not only defend well but be lethal on the front foot and in transition pretty football works now because the game is softer but back then pep wouldn't play this tactic because teams back then would snap them to pieces
@@IvorBrynMike You wrote a lot without writing anything cohesive. There is a reason why pep blew united 08/09 away and that big reason was the system he came up with. United then played long balls and direct plays and didn't keep the ball from long spells. If you do that against this man city or centurion city , they will keep you running for 90 mins by spreading the pitch and make it as big as possible and overload the midfield and force united into errors and continuous long balls.
@@IvorBrynMike And you mention tackling lol that would give fouls away and more possession to city. Schmeichel wasn't a ball playing keeper so he'd shoot the ball up front right? So pep would make his team press forward whenever United has the ball and they would be forced to surrender that possesion over and over again and city will create an extraordinary amount of chances. Neville himself said the united team of 08/09 was a better team individually than 99 and pep blew that team away with a similar system. It wouldn't be a close game. Football has evolved and we don't play hoof ball anymore. If you try that now, teams like brighton will smoke you.
@R Y. I think we'll agree to disagree today standards sure plenty of fouls because football has gone soft but 90s refereeing those tackles are fine and City wouldn't cope in that era.
And yes schmeichel wasn't a ball player keeper but he was the best goalkeeper the league has ever seen and would rush to claim his ball and his shot stopping was incredible him and stam who was a absolute monster of a defender would keep haaland quiet imo Neville was intelligent with his positioning defensively and Irwin was aswell the defence of that united team is more than capable of keeping city attack quiet the midfield of Beckham Keane Scholes and Giggs can compete with city's midfield in possession and out of possession and Cole and Yorke can cause city's defence problems and one absolute fact about that 99 Treble winning team which no one seems to remember even when they appeared outclassed they always found a way to win and they beat some of the greatest to ever do it Zidane couldn't beat them Figo couldn't beat them R9 couldn't beat them but you think because the 09 Barcelona team imo was the greatest team ever beat a incredible united team that's comparable to this city team or that 99 team it's not mate that Barcelona side would slap this city side silly 😂
Thogden was so flabbergasted by Rory s ball knowledge 😂😂
Which knowledge. Is is 10 years older also.
@@stianw.danielsen2943 Knowledge of evaluating football teams through the lens of history.
Rory has negative ball knowledge. Literally everything he predicted before the season was wrong. 🤣
@@DC-zi6se predicting isn't the same as actually knowing ball...you can predict City thrashing Southampton bt even if Southampton won doesn't show that yr ball knowledge is bad which is that City is still a much better team than Southampton
@@DC-zi6se predictions are hard