BEST HANDLING LUXURY SUV // NOTHING ELSE COMES CLOSE TO THIS // 2024 PORSCHE CAYENNE REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Among many luxury SUVs, one model stands out as a vehicle that delivers the best handling, most fun-to-drive experience, and most sports car like character: 2024 Porsche Cayenne. Despite having a SUV body, the Cayenne provides unmatched driving character...perhaps Lexus and other luxury brands can learn from Porsche.
Also in 1990s, Porsche sought help from Toyota engineers and managers how to streamline its operation and improve its product development cycle - the result was a spectacular recovery resulting in creation of Porsche brand that we know today. Over the last several decades, Porsche has risen to the top of quality and customer satisfaction surveys, and in some cases "beaten Toyota in its own game" as the performance leader. Could Toyota - or specifically Lexus - now learn from Porsche how to design more fun-to-drive cars? David talks about this after driving the new Porsche Cayenne which delivers the best of Porsche's attributes.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, engineering, and strategy. With over 35 years of engineering experience, David is able to review vehicles from unique perspectives utilizing technical and specialized methods. David is a board member and a director at AJAC (Automobile Journalist Association of Canada).
David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean/Agile Thinking, and travels all around the world to review vehicles and teach latest engineering methods. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston.
Toyota has a huge thorn in its side now with the Tundra engine issue. Quality reputation has taken a big hit
I think you guys only believe that because you're in a sounding chamber. Did the engine have manufacturing issues, yes. However, they're actively working on it. As a counter, BMW had bearing issues for over a decade and only addressed it because it was killing their lease rates.
@@hamsterbrigadegood to see we are now comparing Toyota to BMW - in the past there would be no comparison on reliability and value
@@hamsterbrigade I dont know the BMW engine issues and their recalls. Did they have the same issue where dealers wouldn’t take the vehicles in on trades.
I'm still not paying $65k for a midsized truck.
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First is it Toyoda America or Toyoda as HQ Original Company?
We/I found that Issues with Toyoda began more when the Subsidiaries Toyota America started designing and many aspects in America and Canada. (The same problems applied to Subaru; we/I don't know about Honda and/or Nissan to have made comments about...
Mazda are getting days by days because they are purely Designed and Assembled in Japan; We have Subaru's and/or Toyoda Made in Japan #JT and JF and the ones made in USA...
There are more problems with the Ones Assembled and Designed in America? Why?
Our friends and I got the first Generation of Tundra; it was small and everything worked fined from time of Delivery to the time we gave up to have got another One???
Our Subaru Legacy, 1992 #JF; last until last May 2023 = Car was stolen by those Thieves using Tow-truck like those Tow-trucks working AMA... And the Outback Made in USA, Indiana got twice the Head-Gasket Problems?
Whom to Blame?
C'est La Vie 😆 😆
Toyota has fallen a long way in just a couple of years. Nobody is buying their trucks and the Tundra. It’s sad to see the direction they have taken away from being reliable and affordable.
Especially affordable
i see new tundra taco and lx gx all over the place .... they still selling ...
They have literally set a record this year for number of Tundras sold. Let's see what the numbers look like after the engine recall but new Tundras are still selling.
I drove my 2004 Mustang Mach 1 5 speed from Cody to Cheyenne, Wyoming. 400.0 miles. The posted speed limits were 70MPH and 80MPH. I averaged over 76MPH (not counting lunch and fuel stops) and 29MPG with the A/C on. V8 engines loafing at low RPM get great mileage. Turbo four and sixes get great mileage on EPA rollers but lousy mileage on boost in the real world. Give me an N/A V8 instead of a turbo 4 or 6 any day.
Blame Joe Biden and the crew, the European Union, and the UN 🇺🇳
I admire armchair quarterbacks with strong opinions about cars they have never owned or driven. The Packard motto back in the day was "Ask the man who owns one". Still applies. I have a 2018 Macan GTS in Canada as the daily driver and a 2023 Tundra as my business truck. Never owned better and doubt I will. Thanks David, you nailed the reasons why.
does it have the Porsche or Audi engine in it?
@@wally6193 The Macan GTS had the higher-output Porsche V6, the same motor that David is demonstrating in this video in the 2024 base model Cayenne. The Audi engine was used in the 4-cylinder base Macan. The Macan S had a V6. The GTS had a somewhat more powerful V6 with superior suspension and brakes.
@@m.cooper1854 my understanding is that the V6 engines are from Audi/VW not from Porsche, the V8 is from Porsche.
Yes. V8 is pure porsche. Vw and audi had nothing to do with it
@@user-g8s93dbnyg okay but I was asking about all the V6 versions in the Porsches.
Imagine an automobile that represents the pinnacle of engineering excellence, a harmonious fusion of the world's most revered automotive traditions. This vehicular masterpiece seamlessly blends the unwavering quality and precision of Japanese craftsmanship with the exhilarating driving dynamics that have become synonymous with German engineering prowess. Yet, it transcends mere technical superiority by embodying the timeless elegance and captivating design sensibilities that have long been the hallmark of Italian automotive artistry. As the crowing glory producing such a vehicle that would be attainable for most people. We need a vehicle like this.
Is Porshe leaving milling debris in engine blocks too?
Quick update from Idaho. Bolth of the dealerships in my area (idaho Falls and Rexburg) are absolutely stuffed with Tundras. It gose to show Toyota lowerd quality and rose the price and now their sales are threw the floor.
I also think that Toyota could learn from Porsche how to offer different powertrain options in their lineup.
I mean that is what keeps Toyota relatively affordable. For performance models or Lexus I agree.
would that be to get a Porsche or Audi/VW engine
Trade in my wife’s GS350 for Panamera 4S and it’s a world of difference, I’m sold on Porsche, and will purchase more of them in the future, they are really incredible machines …
Toyota Lexus Porsche my 3 Best Cars.
You meant Porsche, Toyoda and Honda?
As Lexus are just Lux Div of Toyoda like Acura of Honda and Infinity of Nissan.
Cheers.
(And Porsche Engines most are Boxer Types like Subaru... )
I think Mazda is the best handling Japanese car. But not quite on a par with the Germans. ..
Another great video David, keep them coming! I was just at Amd's shop for Lexus service and he's looking forward to meeting you!
Wow I’m impressed he really knows what he’s talking about. 😮
Hi David! I enjoy your channel. I’m buying a Porsche Cayenne in December. Should I be considering a CPO Cayenne base model? Cayenne. I could save some money. Cayenne worth it? Thank you sir.
Get a new cayenne its much better, and you’re not saving too much with CPO anyway if you finance
@@jackz4149 I may just do that. I’m also thinking g of waiting until the end of the year. Perhaps I can get a better deal. Thanks for your input.
@@jmichael1157 or u know what, wait until September and get a 2024 model, the program for lease might change, or but I doubt it for finance and cash. The best option is to $100k for a base model, just get the air suspension, premium package and chrono with 21 inch wheels
I have been a loyal Toyota and Lexus customer for decades. I still own and drive a 2006 4Runner V8 Sport Edition. I am hesitant to purchase new Toyota vehicles and some Lexus vehicles at this time. Toyota seems to have debt, engine, quality control, corporate management, and pricing issues! The introduction of 4 Banger turbo engines in trucks was not a wise decision.
Turbo 4 was introduced in the trucks back in the mid 80's
Hopefully Toyota/Lexus do learn from Porsche/BMW and make “fun-to-drive cars”, it’s the only thing they’re missing imo.
GR86, GR Corolla and GR Supra are just missing something. MX5 drives better than the 86, CTR drives better than the GR C, and the Cayman drives better than the GR Supra (again all imo).
@godzilla8568 you as a American you missing out
LC500
@@thewholeeventhorizon too heavy for my liking but it is fun to drive/has a nice driving experience.
I guess that’s why Japan lovers / spirited driving lovers buy Honder and Mazder
My favorite car guy in my favorite ride. Thanks for the review.
Really interested in buying a 2024 Cayenne. But I'm concerned about long term reliability (8 years). Any major repairs I should expect?
This is good to know information. Glad to see Porsche leading the way. 14:29
How does a macan drive feel compared to a jcw countryman?
How is the reliability of the Macan?
Great review. Looking closely at getting a CPO Cayenne. Love the sport driving experience. Any major issues to consider when getting a CPO?
I rarely ever see any Audi, VW, or Porsche older than 5 years on the road. I still see a lot of 2000+ Lexus RX (mainly 2006-2015 my) everywhere.
I have a 2012 Cayenne that has about 120k miles, no issues other than a minor oil leak. I also have a 1999 911, it's had more issues, but I drive it every day.
That could be because the German buyers aren’t as frugally minded and don’t want to keep one car and drive it into the ground.
I appreciate when someone who is clearly biased towards a Japanese brand….gets it. Both are great brands, but I feel Toyota does not engineer with passion, they engineer with dollars and a need to be reliable. This proves itself time and time again when “amazing” Japanese super-cars don’t dominate the market: LFA, NSX, GTR, Supra, etc.
Services are sky rocketing
How does the ride quality of this vehicle on comfort mode compare to bmw x5 or Lexus RX?
Steve Jobs once said in an interview (you can search for it) that only western companies need to market/sell the idea of QUALITY. Whereas the Japanese companies need not do so, consumers/people know that it's quality from experience from use and the perception that spreads through the population thereafter.
Toyota as 2 things which makes is quality from use
1. Engine/tranny that can go upto 2 million miles
2. Relatively affordable and abundantly available spares
Does this apply to all Porsche building factories, like the one in Bratislava that builds the Cayenne and VW Touareg?
I have a Cayenne GTS and since a month ,the Lexus GX550,
I will say im in love with the GX maybe as its new.
Sure ya do 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Do you think the Cayenne can handle offroad driving?
2:35 the bonnet right side meeting the fender is not aligned perfectly on the edges as the left side maybe because still on the making process
You love seeing that a lot
How about cayenne vs bmw x5/7? BMW surpassed everyone in luxury segment in terms of reliability and technology?
Good morning engineer, what about benchmarking the porsche mecan with lexus LFA
These are low volume specialty cars that are super expensive to maintain and repair!
Read about this way back in Lean Thinking
The Cayenne is built at the VW plant in Slovakia.
True!
The v8 and transmission is all porsche, not vw or audi
@@user-g8s93dbnyg and how about the V6 versions?
@@wally6193 audi
@@user-g8s93dbnyg that's what I was afraid of, all the V6 versions are Audi, which really don't have a stellar record of reliability, unless Porsche made some changes to improve on these engines.
Ok. David do a video now about Tesla model S- the longest produced model to date.
Meaning plenty of time to improve the assembly process
Are you saying the Cayenne V6 (Audi/VW engine) is as reliable as the Cayenne V8(Porsche engine)?
Toyota products remain high quality and reliable. The company is owning responsibility for recalling (voluntarily) and making whole the V6 twin turbo issue. Give them a little time. My twin turbo V6 is doing well w/o issue. Just checked the oil for debris - none. I do understand disappointment but it is just an engine. Sometimes mechanical designs need to be tweaked. The howling on the internet about poor Tundra and Tacoma sales misses a few points: 1. The inflation post pandemic has driven up costs. Prices will never go back down. We can only wish but not likely. 2. Other OEM’s trucks are not selling in the 45-75k price range. Consumers are adjusting to the “reset” on prices and the sales will rebound once interest rates are lower and the US economy picks up.
Just bought 2024 5th Gen 4Runner TRD Pro... Going to buy my Wife a
Macan S/GTS, Cayenne S?
Great Minds Think Alike...!
Toyota: "What do you mean driving character? Is that a feature?"
Buy a 1-2 year old Porsche for the price of a new Lexus.
Porsche does an amazing job engineering their manufacturing process…so easy to remove parts like the door panels and headlights. Having said that, they use way too many screws for the underbody trays/covers.🤪😩
Mercedes, BMW ?
Hey David, Sensei...!
Toyota Must REHIRE YOU to go to MEXICO 🇲🇽... AND SORT OUT THE TACOMA...! NOW!!!
Gung Fu Cowboy🇺🇲
San Francisco Chinatown
On uk's pot holed roads i'll take the Lexus
I think the Corvette has that same button or slide switch for the transmission but that is a beautiful car I really like it and with the v8 you’re looking at the same hp as the Scat Pack Charger!Now anytime you buy a super car like that I wouldn’t be driving it everyday because of the money invested!There was a used one I (2024)looked up and it had 10000 miles for 84,000 us so for that kind of money I would take my chances on trying to own the car for at least eight years.
It’s almost hard to believe that Porsche, part of VW group, could deliver truly world class cars whereas VW and Audi build cars intended to be parked at garages.
Audi is very improved. Paying attention to servicing matters. I have a 2023 Q7 with Prestige package. 14 months and close to 14,000 miles. We are buying a 2024 Cayenne from the “sister” dealer. Will pick it up tomorrow.
....................... Nothing comes close to the UN-RELIABILITY...Huge expense to service for OIL @1200... per and the Nightmare of buying at 130 to 150 K and lose 60K in two years with DEPRECIATION...ThiMk again!
Toyota is highly reliable but not fun to drive. Its like asking a bodybuilder to play another sport that does not involve lifting.
My Toyota cars are fun to drive with fun defined as reliability, comfort, performance, safety, a good stereo and HVAC. I don’t need an out of body experience
@@RSwrightMD we are talking about handling/driving performamce
There are only 2 Porsche. The Cayman/Boxster and 911. The rest are VW. Please stop the shennanigans.
Cayenne saved Porsche from the bankrupt 😂
Cayenne turbo Gt is pure Gt dept Weissach completely different engine drivetrain and suspension to Audi/vw
@@joebellamy1 Same old VW chassis though.
Well. Only porsches that are made In Germany. Too bad cayennes are not
My 2022 Toyota Corolla SE out handle that Porsche Cheyenne on the highway. The Cheyenne had the take off power but could handle worth crap. We had a 4 minute engagement on the highway. I kinda laughed 😂 because he got mad 11:21 my economy Toyota sports sedan out maneuvered his $60,000 + vehicle
You have clearly never owned a Porsche. The amount of reliability problems FAR exceed any Toyota/Lexus
I’ve owned 7 different Porsches and currently owns a Macan GTS. they have been trouble free for many years. how many have you owned?
@@AutomotivePress I have owned 3 and will never own another VAG vehicle again
Perhaps for fine California roads, Porsche SUV is just fine. Sadly the same cannot be said for rugged roads of Central Asia. Toyotas however seem to do just fine, regardless of conditions
Porsche
Much easier to keep a tight quality standard when you make as few cars as they do. They makes fractions of what Toyota/Lexus make.
They are among my favorite manufacturers because they still offer manuals, their Taycan EV is beautiful, they do have excellent quality, and a refined, luxurious interior, all their vehicles are at or near best-in-class, and they're all fun to drive
Meanwhile Toyota forgot about building reliable cars Tacoma,tundra and many more bs
Good morning engineer, what about benchmarking the porsche mecan with lexus LFA