I faced this cancellation fee. Called my bank, replaced the credit card, changed email on my adobe account. Good luck collecting the fee now. And I also started to sail the black flag for their products, arrr 🏴☠
@@kacperkonieczny7333, I needed photoshop and there are really few alternatives. However, Capture One and DaVinci Resolve are excellent choices when it comes to bulk photo editing and video editing respectively.
Piracy (of software) has never been stealing. Not legally anywhere. But it's copyright infringement and that doesn't change because of Adobe's shady licensing agreements.
For the reply above... Sir, they call a camera "captures a moment", while AI "hallucinates" their way out of not existing references. Of course you hallucinated your logic for this one too.
Preaching to the choir..... They know that perfectly well. Look at how they're steering people into the subscription plan that has the cancellation fee...that's not an accident, that's pure evil.
Japanese mobile phone contract cancellation fees got so bad that the government made them illegal. The Japanese government is very right-wing but so many people were pissed off they had no choice.
@@AKDA1 you should not speak to a matter of law unless you understand it. When you use an Adobe product without paying the license fee to do so, you are stealing. You took the product without paying for it. It is just the same as stealing a loaf of bread from a grocery store. As to copyright infringement, it is a crime and a civil matter, as opposed to a criminal matter. But it is theft all the same. The definition of what constitutes copyright infringement is separate from the penalties imposed on the folks who do it. You are confusing a definition with the penalties imposed for doing it. Strictly speaking, copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of the art of another. “Art” being a particular work. People who work for Adobe developing software deserve to be paid. Low lifes like you are trying to deny them just payment for their work.
@@CarlSidor if you have an original copy of adobe and or have paid a monthly long enough to have owned it, then in all fairness you may 'pirate' your copy. Extortion is rife in big business, don't let them intimidate you.
@@SpencerCourtis No. Under US copyright law, you never own it. You buy a license to use it. If you have a the original Photoshop 1.0, you had a perpetual license to use v 1.0. Nothing newer. All you ever have is a license to use the software. Not the software itself. If you were to actually READ your agreement, it specifically enjoins you against decompiling the software or reverse engineering it. If you owned it, you could do whatever you wished with it. You are just finding an excuse to steal. You know it is wrong because you seek an excuse to make it not wrong. You are a thief. A low life thief.
Adobe had sold themselves as being an alternative and "better than Quark" (when Quark had a bad rep for poor customer service/treatment back in the day). Lo and behold, as a business, Adobe ended up becoming and behaving _WORSE than Quark!_
Shoot, Quark from DS9 is actually now seen as a ruthless, yet otherwise good natured merchant when compared to what companies like Adobe are doing these days! 😅
Imagine going to olive garden and they're shredding cheese for you. Suddenly they say "that'll be 5 more dollars, 10 more, 15". You beg them to stop, to have mercy. They tell you no, because there's a $20 fee to stop receiving cheese. Absolutely ape**it
Incidentally that's probably the reason they are going out of business to many people go there for the unlimited soup/salad/breadsticks similar to red lobsters problems although lower priced food it stills adds up
@@timop6340 except its not. Sure, we all want more money. But some of us just want to own a simple business or work a simple job. Not everyone intends to rip off millions of people with a garbage product.
@@timop6340 Yep, and encouraged by governments who are too close to these companies. Anti trust should have been applied to most large companies today.
Or at least the executive persons have a veto to stop things that harm the company. But here they didn't. They actively choose ways to harm their customers.
I stopped using Adobe when I could no longer buy their products. I don't rent software, especially when they start randomly removing features that are needed.
Yes, I only buy software that I can install on my desktop. Getting harder though -as most accounting software today is subscription based - but there are still options.
@@DavidNotSolomongood luck with that. My guess is that before long there will no longer be software or disk. It’s a matter of time before the idea of ‘installing’ something seems as antiquated as it arriving on a floppy disk or CD-ROM.
@@btn237 Most open source software is stand alone. I suspect that once people wake up to how much data is being collected on them, and how what they create is being fed into AI - that desktop apps will have a resurgence.
The morally correct thing is to not be a npc and use alternatives. If pirating made any difference then adobe wouldn't have been a monopoly after all these years of people pirating their stuff, they simply see pirated copies as educational licenses.
@@rano12321 This is true, while a personal user can get away with it, businesses aren't willing to risk that. And if most of the community is using it, then businesses will continue to pay for adobe and nothing will change.
Here's what Adobe should have done: -One time payment - perpetual license for that version (yearly) - if you want to upgrade, just buy the nexts years' version - no problem. -No paid membership bullcrap - let the users OWN the product. -Not spying on customers.
it was exactly the terms of Creative Suite 3, the last version free of subcription. they are boxes of this version for sale on ebay, at an HEFTY price.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic… A perpetual licence used to be the sales model, but even then, you never actually “own” the software, you were just granted use of it. Even then, products like Lightroom 6, lost the face recognition function (apparently sub-licenced) and then the mapping function (something to do with Google Maps). Perpetual, …. Isn’t.
That's how it was before. But when they figured out that they had no real competition for Photoshop and Premier Pro (Premier Pro has always had competition, but none of them was as complete and user friendly). They figured out they can force people into paying more. Also to get 2 softwares you better get everything and that's because they know that most people need Photoshop on top of any other software, but most don't need 3 software. The whole thing is designed to take advantage of their monopoly.
Technically Adobe haved used the 1st option (and arguably 2nd) options in this for the Adobe Substance apps, on steam you’re able to do a one time payment for the years version of adobe substance, however i say technically the second option because despite being able to permenatly own it, some people ran into the issue of adobe asking them to upgrade from what im aware of (i saw someone own a 2022 version and was told by adobe to upgrade it)
Auto-renew their sentences. I’m shocked they went after execs. That almost never happens except during a collapse that they caused and made money off (like insider trading)
Years back, I cancelled my subscription. I was charged for the remaining months of the year term. If I am charged, I should have access for the rest term. Adobe should also be forced to pay back money to old customers that got shafted.
When they went Subscription Only, the excuse they gave was that it was supposedly necessary in order to combat piracy. (Yeah, right). Instead, the fact that it was Subscription Only became the primary CAUSE of piracy. And they had the cheek to wonder why!? As far as I'm concerned, Subscription Only software is basically glorified Ransomware. And no, I don't CARE that a lot of other companies are moving towards it. That's all the MORE reason to give it the boot. If every single customer gave Subscription Only software the boot, it would disappear overnight.
well sub only sux yeah but having sub as an option if the price is right can allow people who cannot afford to spend that amount of money all at once a way to use it or someone who rarely needs it could be a month here and there
@@My1xT Personally, I treat Subscription Only software as being only one tier above Ransomware, and a thin tier at that. I'm not against subscription software as such. It has its place. But Subscription Only software gets the order of the boot from me.
@@CraigRodmellMusic I am specifically saying sub AS AN OPTION. Sub only shouldnt be a thing for most software, one of the few softwares where I can understand it is antivirus with its constant and I mean CONSTANT updates.
@@My1xT I agree! The video editing software I use, Cyberlink PowerDirector introduced a subscription model a few years ago, which they heavily promote; but they still retained the option to purchase outright. Which is good, because I wouldn't be thrilled about having to pay a monthly fee in order to receive what I regard basically as bloatware. It's great that we still have a choice.
@@CraigRodmellMusic yup that works, while I dunno much about powerdirector, it's pretty neat for some software to have a comparatively cheap subscription available which makes it easier for e.g. students to access it without having to shell out the 600$ which is generally far outside the range especially when the software is only needed for a short time. but not having the just pay once option just is dumb
"As you can see our year over year oopsies rate spiked really high this year. This has led to my next chart, our federal lawsuit rate which is also trending upwards."
Simple way to cancel: Prior to notifying Adobe, you call your credit card company and tell them to replace your card because you think someone got your card info. You then let Adobe figure it out when they try to bill a closed card account number. I had to do that to another company that would not cancel a subscription.
I hate adobe when they go subscription-only. The major company to force you to RENT rather then KEEP. To turn this gasoline into an explosion is when they had the audacity to demand an early termination fee, slapped with the move that news industry, cable and gyms do to hinder you from leaving. Smart users are the lucky ones using a virtual debit cards that they can “lock” it from being charged.
Even smarter users have the reading comprehension that when it says "Annual plan, paid monthly" they understand that it's a yearly contract, especially when it says "Fees apply if cancelled after 14 days" right next to it.
Also, many people liked the change to subscription. Instead of spending ~800$ on a single Photoshop license, they could spend 500$ for the whole Creative Cloud package. 20+ apps vs 1
Even the god damn free PDF reader isn't working properly, it's almost like they want you to go Pro and keep paying monthly/yearly subscriptions just to open some pdf's. Unbelievable.
surprised to see such pushback so late. they were telling everyone for years that they are becoming a horrid company to deal with, but everyone just closed their eyes
I fully support piracy against Adobe. They and subscriptions in general are out of control. It's almost like we need a marketplace with software similar to those in companies that only offer subscriptions.
Don't even pirate adobe products. As something I learned from Louis Rossman, the greatest way of saying I don't like you and your company is not pirating the program, but not pirating it at all, it's not even worth pirating it
Some schmuck in a different comment unironically called people who pirate 'NPCs', and I was fully prepared to pirate something just to spite them. But this? Yeah, this has actually changed my mind. Now, the only reason I can think of to pirate something is if whatever it is doesn't work on whatever system you have. Also, it shouldn't be considered pirating for me to play the original SMRPG on an emulator at my desk if I have the original cartridge from 1996 sitting in a box in my living room. Nintendo can get bent.
But a world when the only good software is Adobe products and any alternatives are either not free or online or not even good (i want offline) is what we live in
@@NaraSherko I honestly disagree that Adobe products are good software, they are very unoptimized and even with a beefy PC it usually eats up all my disk space and takes ours to load. I've switched out of Adobe Premiere Pro since while big RUclipsrs use it, the software I use is much MUCH better and free
Lol I like the idea, but a corporation doesn't have feelings. For an artiste, I can understand how people not pirating their music might affect them, but I doubt a corporation cares about people not pirating their products as a way to boycott; it doesn't make sense. Just use the amazing tools for free, rather than miss out by trying to make a statement.
They should have never been allowed to buy their competitors. Once they gobbled up Macromedia they snowballed into a monster that would not allow any competitors in the ecosystem.
They didn't buy Affinity, and Affinity is their biggest competitor right now...and getting bigger. I don't think they could buy Affinity, even if they wanted to.
The same people who approved that merger also approved the telco and cable mega mergers (especially what is now "Spectrum"). Not exactly looking out for us.
This made my heart drop, I had no idea that this practice was going on. What's even worse is Adobe purchased Algorithmic Substance Painter & Substance Designer software which is 2nd to none for texturing 3d models. The monopoly is disgusting
@@shin-ishikiri-no Up until that one gets bought up by a soulless monopoly and gets destroyed. At this rate, these companies (Adobe, Apple, Amazon, Tesla) are going to use their combined power and money to make it illegal to be a competitor.
This is why after cancelling a subscription like this you IMMEDIATELY call your bank or c 11:36 redit card company and have the account closed or report the card lost or stolen.
Some banks or 3rd party services allow you to create virtual debit card and you can have here any amount of money, as low as few bucks for a next month of all your subscriptions
How does the concept of them using your work even function? They use your internet capacity to upload it to their servers? Your electricity, CPU resources too? All to steal from you, the customer?
This would break so many privacy and copyright and other laws, it's insane. Theft of energy/power for instance. Lessening one's internet speed and volume. Lessening the Computer's performance. Causing costs and other problems. But most of all, stealing your WORK! YOUR ARTISTRY! YOUR THOUGHTS! YOUR EVERYTHING!
We saw storm clouds gathering over Adobe years ago. Adobe could not conceal the dramatic escalation in its prices, while offering more restrictive terms than ever. Witnessing such arrogance from Adobe, we bailed out-- just as we were about to become Adobe regular users-- because we saw greed dripping from every paragraph of its EULA. We must remember, Adobe showed its stripes two decades ago, when it put rival Macromedia out of competition, making an offer Macromedia could not refuse. Adobe demonstrates the same malady that severely damaged Boeing-- when a company loses its own sense of mission, it substitutes batteries of attorneys and spreadsheet pilots, and thinks of only profit as its reason for being.
Honestly this is one reason why I prefer not to pay for subscription based software or any software that's paid. Free open source software suits most of my needs.
Totally agreed. Louis Rossmann says if its a cloud, then it is "someone else's computer". Even more egregious is if they demand a recurrent payment for continue use of the software, but then not maintain it, like fixing bugs, add new features or anything that is "recurrent work" for recurrent payment. Patreon subscriptions gets a pass because most users using the service actually lets you keep the content after you enter a subscription and download something. Keeping the subscription is only for newer content access, and canceling does not revoke access to stuff you downloaded.
disagree with it, for instance if subscription serves a valid purpose, it's okay to pay, for instance microsoft 365 as you get cloud function with 1TB space etc.. and also canva, chatgpt etc..
I'm still trying to find a free open source software than isn't either too basic or too confusing to use. It almost feels like the developers live outside reality and think that having a totally different GUI makes for a better software. It doesn't! It makes it tedious to learn and sometimes torture, if you can't afford the alternatives (paid software).
It's pretty simple - A contract completely weighted toward one party is NOT a valid contract - I had my subscription cancelled and my money returned - one call.
@@IvoPavlik Well, I'm in Aus for a starter - the one thing we can still exercise is some reasonably strong legislation protecting consumers. Read your Contract legislation and check for provisions providing protection.
You're talking about the laws in your specific country as if they apply to everyone. They do not. This video is mainly being watched by Americans. Maybe you want to edit your original post to not be misleading.
I don't know a single person in my life who has paid for photoshop or any other adobe product. In 2014 in Community college, step one of our graphic design class was 'how to pirate adobe'.
I don’t understand how that works given that the software is configured to phone home every time you open it. And it can’t even be installed without doing a handshake with the Mothership.
@@monomono9627 Inkscape, Krita and Blender are open source and they're really great, at least on par with competition. Though unfortunately I can't say the same about Gimp and Kdenlive. But there are proprietary options such as DaVinci and Affinity that are good and don't force you to sign your soul away for using them
I used to advocate for Opensource projects, but when the become good and looks promising, all of sudden some big company takes over, control it, and make good features go away from opensource, remove previous versions from market by removing the access and start charging for premium features and makes opensource versions more and more disasters and difficult to use, Example - Magento , Known as Magento till couple of years ago, then Adobe Took over and now its called Adobe Commerce, and since they took over, Opensource version are becoming more and more unstable, buggy and hell slow, they all wants small merchants to switch to Paid subscription based entreprise and pro version Or take Odoo, It was called TinyERP back then before 2008, then became openERP in 2010, it was fully opensource till it became fully functional and more robust, one day the founder of the same decided that now he can milk this cow built by community as open source software ofcourse with his leadership, brought some VC money and restructure everything renamed it as Odoo , and now you dont get old versions of openERP easily even if you could download source from github you cant build and use it if you dont know the advance level coding or take MySQL how it was open source and free it was purchased by Oracle and then again his original founder wrote another opensource database named Mariadb (not sure what would be the fate of that too, atleast this one is competing against back to MySQL)
@@monomono9627 I am an average Joe and majority of people that I know are like this too. For my personal needs, Krita, Inkscape, Blender, Shotcut and Kdenlive work perfectly (though at least in case of Blender and Inkscape, apparently they're liked by the professionals of their respective industries too)
Justice is not finally being severed. Tell me one time one of these tech monopolies has faced a real serious consequences for anything. It’s always a slap on the wrist.
@@drac124Exactly. People will continue to vote for the same people who've sold them out to the highest bidder, then complain when everything continues to get worse and worse every year. Passing sneaky legislation in the middle of the night? Sure. You have to sign it to read it? No problem! It's absurd, then I get called a conspiracy theorist for noticing this shit lmao We're in peak Idiocracy, and she's about to come tumbling down.
This is why photoshop has gotten so popular and easy to pirate, And I don't feel bad whatsoever. I don't have a kideny to sell every year. Ashame, they used to be the top leader in their field.
@@zomgbrattodilolrenzor6081 Same. Sure the newer versions are nicer and have a lot more tools, but it does the bare minimum I need it to do and that's fine.
@@nairbvel I didn't forget them. I saw no point in including them, because in my opinion, they became essentially the same as -shitmaster- after they merged together.
back when this thing came, people did not understood pdf and alternatives were nowehre to be seen or understood what they did right now create pdfs is so easy, edit them is still complicated, you can cut pages and add text, but edit is not for everybody i will never buy their crap, but i do understand why they came with that idea
there was even a period when Adobe PDF Viewer asked you to upgrade to paid version when you tried to rotate the file. SERIOUSLY?!?! Rotating is a very basic function.
In 2007 a professor at University gave me a DVD with the Adobe CS3 suite. He said "just install the programs, don't copy the disc". Yeah, right. I burned my own DVD even before installing the programs with his.
wow they are despicable. It was a struggle to cancel my student subscription. I had to downgrade my account then I was able to cancel it. It was completely ridiculous.
This is exactly why legal jargon/writing needs to be banned in consumer contracts at this point. NO ONE READS IT OR UNDERSTANDS IT CORRECTLY!! It needs to be written out very clearly, in plain language, and bluntly. Example: "We, the company [name here], own the product you are requesting, [product name here]. We are granting you access for a limited time based on the agreed conditions. You are renting this product/software. We may revoke access at any time." Instead, we write these long winded documents that we KNOW no one reads (because let us all be honest here, no one wants to read a 20 page legal document to use say Disney+, and if you do the chances are it will just make your head spin). They know no one reads them, and thus they throw extra non related crap in or write it in such a way that extends their legal power beyond the actual thing in question!!!
The only EULA I have ever read in its entirety is the GNU General Public License, and it was far enough back that it might have even been version 1 of it.
@@bhubbard6573 Lawyers intentionally make their text look and feel like total garbage in order to make parsing it unbearable for most people. Essentially they are in a situation in which the worse they write their text - the more profit they get. And ban of this practice seems to be the only solution to the problem
When I joined my last workplace I told my boss I don't need fancy design software. I can do everything with freeware available for commercial use by companies. I asked him that if I demonstrate that I can could he give me the money he paid for those licenses? He said, let us try. I did that but he never gave me the money. Instead he forced everyone to use my free software and everyone was angry at me. He saved 10k+ on yearly licenses. Everyone had to learn a new software and its tools but we never saw any reward from it...
I left Adobe a decade ago, and I'm so glad I did... they were already scummy then but now so much worse. Plenty of cheaper/free alternatives out there, and while they might not always be as refined and play nice with each other, at least you know you aren't being screwed over on purpose.
Just found >10GB of photos copied to Adobe Photoshop folder in apps. Creative Cloud Files Folder landed in Finder Favourites, replacing & deleting my "Creative" folder with ALL my work. Can't uninstall.
Unless they pay huge fines (at least 30% of their revenue in the whole time that this shit was allowed) and get hit with other fines/laws nothing will change... I'm tired of listening to judgements that result in a company being in the wrong and paying 0.001% of revenue of a month...
1:41 The difficulty of getting a customer to spend a few thousand dollars to buy a software package is _not_ the reason they went subscription-only. They could just as easily have solved that by offering subscription _options,_ while still allowing you to buy the software as well. The point of going subscription-only is lock-in: you can no longer open your files as soon as you let the subscription lapse. This is the truly nasty thing about these subscriptions, and why you can no longer buy the software.
Adobe products are just like Sims4 expansion packs: you have to be batsh crazy to not pirate it all. Until every hobbyist and worker can find a good alt software, 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ is the way.
2:22 The root cause is a failure of the USDOJ to prosecute any company since Reagan on anti-trust grounds. The Sherman Anti-trust Act still exists; Congress needs to reiterate the simple fact: monopolies are bad. Full stop.
They trapped me wity their subscription. When they came for the money, my debit card had expired. I ran faster than my legs. Now am happy client of DaVinci Resolve. Adobe is annoying. Great vodeo by the way with some exquisite editing. Keep up the good work
Adobe knows very well it is acting unethically and it's business model is exploitative. It is also common knowledge that a large proportion of "Utube creative influencers" are very slow in pointing the finger at Adobe. Meanwhile, artists, photographers, etc. are simply interested in focusing on their chosen art. Again, Adobe knows this. All in all artists need to pool together, elect a leader, and then take on Adobe!
@@javierandreiotaku We don't have a better alternative. Users who use Adobe products are used to the Ferraris of editing. The competition right now (the free ones, at least) are all 1985 Volkswagen Beetles. Not bad cars... but do they even compare to Ferrarris?
@@H96-d6j There are non-free alternatives. Affinity isnt free.. but it does (at least for now) let you actuality purchase their software (one time fee).
@@zach11241 Yeah, between having lots of clients and established workflows with them, not having a real alternative to AE, and other issues, I had no choice but to keep using it.
"Controversial" implies there's another side to it and that people are divided. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say anything positive about Adobe other than that their software works well and usually that's the but proceed by a complaint.
@@LogicallyAnsweredEven internally, Adobe has one of the lowest rated Employee Satisfaction Indexes of all time, and their lower level employees are horrifically mistreated. Suffice it to say, Adobe had this coming.
Funny thing about corporate greed. The government doesn’t go after them until AFTER they have made their bank. By that point, it’s a slap on the wrist for them and the customer is never made whole from the scam.
Well it’s only been in the last few years that they’ve been starting to exercise their mandates again to go after monopolies and other bad actors. These things take a long time (lawyers) so we will see if it’s permitted to continue after this next election.
448 dollars to cancel? Imagine being a brazilian worker, which is paid the minimal wage of around 257 dollars monthly, having to face such bill? Ridiculous. That's why most companies fall - too greedy - they want to please the investors so much that they bite more than they can chew and choke.
If you're going to repeat a line, at least get it right: it's PAYING, not buying. If you buy it, you own it. Full Stop. If you don't get ownership, you just paid for it, but you didn't buy it.
@@Roxor128 ok, but I don't really felt like changing the quote. Even if it is less accurate, the message is still clear Thank you for correcting anyway🙏
No one should be using Premiere to edit when Resolve is there as a free alternative. (The paid studio version isn't even all that expensive, and is not subscription based.) Resolve is not only cheaper, it's just much better IMO.
@@Tobez i've actually been trying to choose between them. i can't find any method of pirating adobe without it being overly complex, and all youtube tutorials are an obvious scam. davinci on the other hand is free. i'm just wondering, which one is EASIER to get into, is LESS buggy, and is MORE convenient for short videos like memes or other simple stuff?
It's hard to move away from Adobe because it's the industry standard. Plus learning a new software can take time and some people may not have the time to learn it.
As a professional I no longer trust Adobe with my work and if an employer insists that I use Adobe software, I will then have to cover my own ass with a separate contract that absolves me of any and all financial and legal responsibility in the event of Adobe stealing and/or leaking confidential information and assets signed under NDA. I will NOT be put into a situation where I could be sued by my employer because Adobe decided it wanted to steal IP just like China. Idc that Adobe scrubbed the TOS of that scummy rule, for all I know they could be lying and are doing it anyway without customer knowledge or permission
@@solarydays Nope, but I am going to switch to One-Time Purchase Software like Affinity Design and DaVinci Resolve for professional work while using Open Source software that meets my creative needs. Because I know backlash can only go so far in stopping Adobe from doing what they really want to do which is to steal their customers work while charging insane prices for permission to use their products. Hell the fact that not even Nintendo and Sony's data is safe from some bored nosy Adobe employee that backdoored their way into a customer's data and leaked NDA protected company secrets tells volumes on how untrustworthy Adobe truly is at ALL levels of the company. I'm sick of constant price hikes, I'm tired of the scummy practices, I don't trust the employees at ALL levels of the company, and I hope the government lawsuit hits them where it hurts, because they deserve every drop of hate and misfortune after everything they've done to screw over customers
The (ideally unfettered) market is what calls out bad practices and pursues legal action if it is justified and for finding better alternatives that better reflect the desires of the free market. Both of which are happening. Of course we don't live in an "unfettered" market so unfortunately these things didn't happen as soon and strongly as they could've.
ALL subscription services are EVIL EVIL EVIL. Where I work we have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy of NO SUBSCRIPTIONS on software use, even if the need is great!
I really hate the subscription model, but to be fair I have to admit that it addresses (in a really slimy and abusive way) the problem of software becoming unstable over time as the machine and operating systems are updated.
@@4x13x17 You can use layer groups in the GIMP to affect changes on a number of selected layers at once. There is a way to do most things it's usually always just a bit different.
What's sad is that initially Adobe was the only company doing AI right. They were using their existing library of clipart for training rather than scraping the web. This made it the only AI that was using training data the company legitimately had the rights to. Trying to also scoop up user data was a bad move when they had the moral high ground to begin with.
I can't tell you many times I tried clicking the cancel button and it would literally just redirect to the home page. The second or third time usually works and it happens that way every time. It ain't even just early termination fees. This company is truly sleazy as fuck.
If smaller companies or alternatives made a function that just a bit closely same as them, they'd be sued out of oblivion. But when Adobe made a mistake, they just have to issue a non apology apology for it.
Our company had to use Photoshop as it was only one artists accepted. Fortunately we were wise enough to make a separate credit card for this purpose. When it was time to move on we simply closed the card and ignored all the threatening emails and calls from Adobe. Worked like a charm. What surprised me is that they tried to renew the plan months before the actual renewal date!
I faced this cancellation fee. Called my bank, replaced the credit card, changed email on my adobe account. Good luck collecting the fee now. And I also started to sail the black flag for their products, arrr 🏴☠
For those that don't want to sail the high seas look for alternatives.
@@kacperkonieczny7333 I have been using Affinity for a month now, looks amazing so far, only issue I faced with no RTL languages support.
Damn, savage hahaha
I would pay, but them being unreasonable is short sighted . They exploit us, WE EXPLOIT BACK .
@@kacperkonieczny7333, I needed photoshop and there are really few alternatives. However, Capture One and DaVinci Resolve are excellent choices when it comes to bulk photo editing and video editing respectively.
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. But the AI scrapping is definitely why some people are putting firewalls to block outbound data.
Piracy (of software) has never been stealing. Not legally anywhere. But it's copyright infringement and that doesn't change because of Adobe's shady licensing agreements.
For the reply above...
Sir, they call a camera "captures a moment", while AI "hallucinates" their way out of not existing references.
Of course you hallucinated your logic for this one too.
Yeah but it was kind of transphobic to be honest
@@JamesWagner-vv9iz you're a child. Get out
@@KeivSquirrel It's a bot.
Cancellation fees should be illegal. When the customers ask to cancel, YOU CANCEL, and never charge them a cent ever again!
Preaching to the choir.....
They know that perfectly well. Look at how they're steering people into the subscription plan that has the cancellation fee...that's not an accident, that's pure evil.
Japanese mobile phone contract cancellation fees got so bad that the government made them illegal. The Japanese government is very right-wing but so many people were pissed off they had no choice.
I mean... it;s obvious xD
profiting from shitty software
In my country it is already. Fight for your rights.
Remember kids it is NEVER morally incorrect to pirate Adobe software.
@@tarikbleak that view only holds if your have no morals at all. In case it escaped your notice, piracy is illegal. That is why pirates were executed.
Modern piracy as depicted by law isnts stealing, its copyright infringement@CarlSidor
@@AKDA1 you should not speak to a matter of law unless you understand it. When you use an Adobe product without paying the license fee to do so, you are stealing. You took the product without paying for it. It is just the same as stealing a loaf of bread from a grocery store. As to copyright infringement, it is a crime and a civil matter, as opposed to a criminal matter. But it is theft all the same. The definition of what constitutes copyright infringement is separate from the penalties imposed on the folks who do it. You are confusing a definition with the penalties imposed for doing it. Strictly speaking, copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of the art of another. “Art” being a particular work. People who work for Adobe developing software deserve to be paid. Low lifes like you are trying to deny them just payment for their work.
@@CarlSidor if you have an original copy of adobe and or have paid a monthly long enough to have owned it, then in all fairness you may 'pirate' your copy.
Extortion is rife in big business, don't let them intimidate you.
@@SpencerCourtis No. Under US copyright law, you never own it. You buy a license to use it. If you have a the original Photoshop 1.0, you had a perpetual license to use v 1.0. Nothing newer. All you ever have is a license to use the software. Not the software itself. If you were to actually READ your agreement, it specifically enjoins you against decompiling the software or reverse engineering it. If you owned it, you could do whatever you wished with it. You are just finding an excuse to steal. You know it is wrong because you seek an excuse to make it not wrong. You are a thief. A low life thief.
Adobe had sold themselves as being an alternative and "better than Quark" (when Quark had a bad rep for poor customer service/treatment back in the day).
Lo and behold, as a business, Adobe ended up becoming and behaving _WORSE than Quark!_
I remember those days well.
Shoot, Quark from DS9 is actually now seen as a ruthless, yet otherwise good natured merchant when compared to what companies like Adobe are doing these days! 😅
The biggest criminals in this world are those who can make their crimes legal.
dictators etc adn i guess adobe ceo would become dictator if given a chance
Gov
thank you FTC!
just realised, Islam is the way to grant legality to Mohammad's crimes.
Legalism has always been about legitimising tryanny
Imagine going to olive garden and they're shredding cheese for you. Suddenly they say "that'll be 5 more dollars, 10 more, 15". You beg them to stop, to have mercy. They tell you no, because there's a $20 fee to stop receiving cheese. Absolutely ape**it
Incidentally that's probably the reason they are going out of business to many people go there for the unlimited soup/salad/breadsticks similar to red lobsters problems although lower priced food it stills adds up
Funny analogy hahaha
Okay but this video was actually transphobic
@@JamesWagner-vv9iz Only if the video was on Heteroleptic NHC Cycloplatinated Complexes
I’d bring my own cheese at that point 😂😂😂
Adobe will be a classic case for years to come about how monopoly is bad for consumers.
Too bad we all live in a system where monopoly is the goal every player constantly aims to.
kamalalalala wants to have a government monopoly on your healthcare.
@@timop6340 except its not. Sure, we all want more money. But some of us just want to own a simple business or work a simple job. Not everyone intends to rip off millions of people with a garbage product.
@@topspduk Adobe isn’t a monopoly. The existence of companies like OnOne prove that.
@@timop6340 Yep, and encouraged by governments who are too close to these companies. Anti trust should have been applied to most large companies today.
Executives needs to be personally punished for these decisions. It isn't the "company" that made these decisions.
They are a multi billion dollar tyrant. With few competitors. Good luck taking them on.
If only those pos types are held accountable but we all know that won’t happen, not with how stuff goes these days.
@@SqualidsargeStudios laws needs to change. But that won't happen. Too much money paying the people who can do anything.
Or at least the executive persons have a veto to stop things that harm the company. But here they didn't. They actively choose ways to harm their customers.
What do you think "company" means?
Someone to be with you when you are lonely?
It's no wonder these drips fall for these corporations' BS
I stopped using Adobe when I could no longer buy their products. I don't rent software, especially when they start randomly removing features that are needed.
Yes, I only buy software that I can install on my desktop. Getting harder though -as most accounting software today is subscription based - but there are still options.
Right? That random removal of features in pdf software our business had already bought was just confusing and infuriating.
@@aliannarodriguez1581 they took cd authoring out of audition. Encore DVD no longer exists...
@@DavidNotSolomongood luck with that. My guess is that before long there will no longer be software or disk. It’s a matter of time before the idea of ‘installing’ something seems as antiquated as it arriving on a floppy disk or CD-ROM.
@@btn237 Most open source software is stand alone. I suspect that once people wake up to how much data is being collected on them, and how what they create is being fed into AI - that desktop apps will have a resurgence.
It is always morally correct to pirate Adobe products.
Always
The morally correct thing is to not be a npc and use alternatives. If pirating made any difference then adobe wouldn't have been a monopoly after all these years of people pirating their stuff, they simply see pirated copies as educational licenses.
@@rano12321 This is true, while a personal user can get away with it, businesses aren't willing to risk that. And if most of the community is using it, then businesses will continue to pay for adobe and nothing will change.
Not really.
Morals mean nothing for Piracy. Just pirate. Moral grandstanding is corny.
My adobe apps are all free, and I feel no guilt.
Here's what Adobe should have done:
-One time payment - perpetual license for that version (yearly) - if you want to upgrade, just buy the nexts years' version - no problem.
-No paid membership bullcrap - let the users OWN the product.
-Not spying on customers.
it was exactly the terms of Creative Suite 3, the last version free of subcription.
they are boxes of this version for sale on ebay, at an HEFTY price.
But that makes way, way less money.
Capitalism, ho!
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic… A perpetual licence used to be the sales model, but even then, you never actually “own” the software, you were just granted use of it. Even then, products like Lightroom 6, lost the face recognition function (apparently sub-licenced) and then the mapping function (something to do with Google Maps). Perpetual, …. Isn’t.
That's how it was before. But when they figured out that they had no real competition for Photoshop and Premier Pro (Premier Pro has always had competition, but none of them was as complete and user friendly). They figured out they can force people into paying more. Also to get 2 softwares you better get everything and that's because they know that most people need Photoshop on top of any other software, but most don't need 3 software. The whole thing is designed to take advantage of their monopoly.
Technically Adobe haved used the 1st option (and arguably 2nd) options in this for the Adobe Substance apps, on steam you’re able to do a one time payment for the years version of adobe substance, however i say technically the second option because despite being able to permenatly own it, some people ran into the issue of adobe asking them to upgrade from what im aware of (i saw someone own a 2022 version and was told by adobe to upgrade it)
Forget "rethinking their ethics." I want life in prison for the executives.
Put them on a life subscription
Auto-renew their sentences.
I’m shocked they went after execs. That almost never happens except during a collapse that they caused and made money off (like insider trading)
Unfortunately for you, you get to decide nothing in the law. Perhaps we should sentance software pirates to life in prison?
Yeah but some parts of the video were transphobic
@@JamesWagner-vv9iz
Why? Did they kill anyone?
If you think Adobe has stopped pulling your work into their machine learning, you're crazy
Well they're gonna be investigated soon enough
THIS! They may write that they’re not stealing anyone’s art, but I’m sure they’re still doing it somehow anyway
If they try to do it legally and are stopped, they will find an illegal way to do it.
11:14 they don't deserve a second chance to rethink their ethics, they deserve to go bankrupt.
agreed
Years back, I cancelled my subscription. I was charged for the remaining months of the year term. If I am charged, I should have access for the rest term. Adobe should also be forced to pay back money to old customers that got shafted.
When they went Subscription Only, the excuse they gave was that it was supposedly necessary in order to combat piracy. (Yeah, right). Instead, the fact that it was Subscription Only became the primary CAUSE of piracy. And they had the cheek to wonder why!?
As far as I'm concerned, Subscription Only software is basically glorified Ransomware. And no, I don't CARE that a lot of other companies are moving towards it. That's all the MORE reason to give it the boot. If every single customer gave Subscription Only software the boot, it would disappear overnight.
well sub only sux yeah but having sub as an option if the price is right can allow people who cannot afford to spend that amount of money all at once a way to use it or someone who rarely needs it could be a month here and there
@@My1xT Personally, I treat Subscription Only software as being only one tier above Ransomware, and a thin tier at that. I'm not against subscription software as such. It has its place. But Subscription Only software gets the order of the boot from me.
@@CraigRodmellMusic I am specifically saying sub AS AN OPTION. Sub only shouldnt be a thing for most software, one of the few softwares where I can understand it is antivirus with its constant and I mean CONSTANT updates.
@@My1xT I agree! The video editing software I use, Cyberlink PowerDirector introduced a subscription model a few years ago, which they heavily promote; but they still retained the option to purchase outright. Which is good, because I wouldn't be thrilled about having to pay a monthly fee in order to receive what I regard basically as bloatware. It's great that we still have a choice.
@@CraigRodmellMusic yup that works, while I dunno much about powerdirector, it's pretty neat for some software to have a comparatively cheap subscription available which makes it easier for e.g. students to access it without having to shell out the 600$ which is generally far outside the range especially when the software is only needed for a short time. but not having the just pay once option just is dumb
Basically, Adobe did a bunch of oopsies for years, then did a REALLY big oopsie.
Nothing oopsie about it. It was all very calculated.
I hate their PDF files. And I’m not using the euphemism here. I’ve always hated getting those
"As you can see our year over year oopsies rate spiked really high this year. This has led to my next chart, our federal lawsuit rate which is also trending upwards."
More like a bunch of really big not-so-accidental oopsies followed by a really REALLY GARGANTUAN not-so-accidental oopsie
Years ago, I walked by their booth at a convention and gave 'em the double bird salute.
Say it with me:
_If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing._
Simple way to cancel: Prior to notifying Adobe, you call your credit card company and tell them to replace your card because you think someone got your card info. You then let Adobe figure it out when they try to bill a closed card account number. I had to do that to another company that would not cancel a subscription.
"If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing"
frfr
It just copying 🙂
How's that possible now? You mean like a super old version?
@@amelliamendel2227 sail the sea u will find out😉
"If piracy isn't stealing, then neither is training AI using your work".
I hate adobe when they go subscription-only. The major company to force you to RENT rather then KEEP. To turn this gasoline into an explosion is when they had the audacity to demand an early termination fee, slapped with the move that news industry, cable and gyms do to hinder you from leaving. Smart users are the lucky ones using a virtual debit cards that they can “lock” it from being charged.
Yeah but this video was kind of transphobic
@@JamesWagner-vv9iz This post was sponsored by Adobe.
@@JamesWagner-vv9iz We found the one person who disliked the video 🤣
Even smarter users have the reading comprehension that when it says "Annual plan, paid monthly" they understand that it's a yearly contract, especially when it says "Fees apply if cancelled after 14 days" right next to it.
Also, many people liked the change to subscription. Instead of spending ~800$ on a single Photoshop license, they could spend 500$ for the whole Creative Cloud package.
20+ apps vs 1
Dont buy their products. This kind of business behavior will only get worse if we let them get away with it
It's not even buying stuff
i never bought. never will
You can't even buy it, only rent it.
Even the god damn free PDF reader isn't working properly, it's almost like they want you to go Pro and keep paying monthly/yearly subscriptions just to open some pdf's. Unbelievable.
always ethical
surprised to see such pushback so late. they were telling everyone for years that they are becoming a horrid company to deal with, but everyone just closed their eyes
Affinity is the new standard at our company.
I fully support piracy against Adobe. They and subscriptions in general are out of control. It's almost like we need a marketplace with software similar to those in companies that only offer subscriptions.
I don't even a pirate should have standards
Yeah but this video was way too transphobic
I don't support piracy of adove software. Many orher cheaper or free options that arw just plain better.
@@mikymuky1171agreed, I just use GIMP … does everything I need
@@JamesWagner-vv9iz
Found the Adobe employee
Don't even pirate adobe products. As something I learned from Louis Rossman, the greatest way of saying I don't like you and your company is not pirating the program, but not pirating it at all, it's not even worth pirating it
Some schmuck in a different comment unironically called people who pirate 'NPCs', and I was fully prepared to pirate something just to spite them. But this? Yeah, this has actually changed my mind. Now, the only reason I can think of to pirate something is if whatever it is doesn't work on whatever system you have. Also, it shouldn't be considered pirating for me to play the original SMRPG on an emulator at my desk if I have the original cartridge from 1996 sitting in a box in my living room. Nintendo can get bent.
But a world when the only good software is Adobe products and any alternatives are either not free or online or not even good (i want offline) is what we live in
@@NaraSherko I honestly disagree that Adobe products are good software, they are very unoptimized and even with a beefy PC it usually eats up all my disk space and takes ours to load. I've switched out of Adobe Premiere Pro since while big RUclipsrs use it, the software I use is much MUCH better and free
@varietychan what do you use Also I agree. It takes 10 GB of your pc
Lol I like the idea, but a corporation doesn't have feelings. For an artiste, I can understand how people not pirating their music might affect them, but I doubt a corporation cares about people not pirating their products as a way to boycott; it doesn't make sense. Just use the amazing tools for free, rather than miss out by trying to make a statement.
They should have never been allowed to buy their competitors. Once they gobbled up Macromedia they snowballed into a monster that would not allow any competitors in the ecosystem.
Exactly buying competitors should be banned.
They didn't buy Affinity, and Affinity is their biggest competitor right now...and getting bigger. I don't think they could buy Affinity, even if they wanted to.
True. It surprized me at the time, that this was allowed. Such an obvious monopoly.
The same people who approved that merger also approved the telco and cable mega mergers (especially what is now "Spectrum"). Not exactly looking out for us.
Now we see why Steve Jobs-whose company barely gives you a charging cord or even just a box anymore-thought Adobe was an evil company.
This made my heart drop, I had no idea that this practice was going on. What's even worse is Adobe purchased Algorithmic Substance Painter & Substance Designer software which is 2nd to none for texturing 3d models. The monopoly is disgusting
Just use the next best software that isn't based on extortion.
@@shin-ishikiri-no Up until that one gets bought up by a soulless monopoly and gets destroyed. At this rate, these companies (Adobe, Apple, Amazon, Tesla) are going to use their combined power and money to make it illegal to be a competitor.
Adobe alternatives for individuals:
Photo Editing: Gimp
Drawing: Krita
Video Editing: Kdenlive, Davinci Resolve
CGI: Blender, Davinci Resolve
Vector Graphics: Inkscape
adobe alternatives for individuals:
Photo Editing: photoshop (pirated)
Video Editing: premier (pirated)
Vector Graphics: illustrator (pirated)
After Effect still have no alternatives,
even if there are, it just a scrappy and hacky clone that can't be trusted with big project
@@jensenraylight8011 pfffft no it does
effects (pirated)
@@dexnacorn7807how do you pirate it and still have it work without crashing?
Kdenlive doesn't support hardware acceleration as far as I know.
This is why after cancelling a subscription like this you IMMEDIATELY call your bank or c 11:36 redit card company and have the account closed or report the card lost or stolen.
it's only funny money. laugh!
Some banks or 3rd party services allow you to create virtual debit card and you can have here any amount of money, as low as few bucks for a next month of all your subscriptions
In theory you still owe the money if the contract says so
Even if you cancel the card the charges can be automatically forwarded
Or you can do the hack. Downgrade the subscription, wait for its free trial to kick in, then cancel the free trial.
Adobe is just EA but much, MUCH worse.
EA isn't even that bad compared to, say, Ubisoft
@@akeem2983No EA is atleast as bad
@@akeem2983 EA is the worst. Imagine to buy a puppy mod in sims for 20 USD instead of having a REAL puppy :v
Atleast you get to own it 😢@@AbigailJoys
@@AbigailJoys what is EA ?
How does the concept of them using your work even function? They use your internet capacity to upload it to their servers? Your electricity, CPU resources too? All to steal from you, the customer?
This would break so many privacy and copyright and other laws, it's insane.
Theft of energy/power for instance.
Lessening one's internet speed and volume.
Lessening the Computer's performance.
Causing costs and other problems.
But most of all, stealing your WORK! YOUR ARTISTRY! YOUR THOUGHTS! YOUR EVERYTHING!
We saw storm clouds gathering over Adobe years ago. Adobe could not conceal the dramatic escalation in its prices, while offering more restrictive terms than ever.
Witnessing such arrogance from Adobe, we bailed out-- just as we were about to become Adobe regular users-- because we saw greed dripping from every paragraph of its EULA.
We must remember, Adobe showed its stripes two decades ago, when it put rival Macromedia out of competition, making an offer Macromedia could not refuse.
Adobe demonstrates the same malady that severely damaged Boeing-- when a company loses its own sense of mission, it substitutes batteries of attorneys and spreadsheet pilots, and thinks of only profit as its reason for being.
Honestly this is one reason why I prefer not to pay for subscription based software or any software that's paid. Free open source software suits most of my needs.
I never minded one time purchase software. I feel like it's fair. Good thing most games I love are still sold that way.
Totally agreed. Louis Rossmann says if its a cloud, then it is "someone else's computer". Even more egregious is if they demand a recurrent payment for continue use of the software, but then not maintain it, like fixing bugs, add new features or anything that is "recurrent work" for recurrent payment. Patreon subscriptions gets a pass because most users using the service actually lets you keep the content after you enter a subscription and download something. Keeping the subscription is only for newer content access, and canceling does not revoke access to stuff you downloaded.
Yeah but can we take a moment to realize how transphobic this video was
disagree with it, for instance if subscription serves a valid purpose, it's okay to pay, for instance microsoft 365 as you get cloud function with 1TB space etc.. and also canva, chatgpt etc..
I'm still trying to find a free open source software than isn't either too basic or too confusing to use.
It almost feels like the developers live outside reality and think that having a totally different GUI makes for a better software.
It doesn't! It makes it tedious to learn and sometimes torture, if you can't afford the alternatives (paid software).
It's pretty simple - A contract completely weighted toward one party is NOT a valid contract - I had my subscription cancelled and my money returned - one call.
Would you mind elaborating more on that?
@@IvoPavlik Well, I'm in Aus for a starter - the one thing we can still exercise is some reasonably strong legislation protecting consumers. Read your Contract legislation and check for provisions providing protection.
I live in Australia too. Gotta love Aussies!
You're talking about the laws in your specific country as if they apply to everyone. They do not. This video is mainly being watched by Americans. Maybe you want to edit your original post to not be misleading.
@@jakevendrotti1496 Read the comments - there was no "misleading" as you assert.
how is locking someone into a subscription and threatening them with insane fees if they try to leave anything other than extortion?
What a f'in detestable company.
because you agreed to it legally
I don't know a single person in my life who has paid for photoshop or any other adobe product.
In 2014 in Community college, step one of our graphic design class was 'how to pirate adobe'.
2010 here. "Now, students, don't do this..." was our favorite opening to a lecture.
I don’t understand how that works given that the software is configured to phone home every time you open it. And it can’t even be installed without doing a handshake with the Mothership.
idk.. i think its silly to pirate a software that is the basis of your work just to safe a few bucks
When the buy-it-outright model was alive, companies were compelled to improve their product to get you to upgrade
Adobe is the best advertisement for open source software
For your aveeage joe who only wants to edit a photo/video/vector once in a while, perhaps.
@@monomono9627 open source software has been slowly but surely being widely adapted in businesses
I mean, just look at blender
@@monomono9627 Inkscape, Krita and Blender are open source and they're really great, at least on par with competition. Though unfortunately I can't say the same about Gimp and Kdenlive. But there are proprietary options such as DaVinci and Affinity that are good and don't force you to sign your soul away for using them
I used to advocate for Opensource projects, but when the become good and looks promising, all of sudden some big company takes over, control it, and make good features go away from opensource, remove previous versions from market by removing the access and start charging for premium features and makes opensource versions more and more disasters and difficult to use, Example - Magento , Known as Magento till couple of years ago, then Adobe Took over and now its called Adobe Commerce, and since they took over, Opensource version are becoming more and more unstable, buggy and hell slow, they all wants small merchants to switch to Paid subscription based entreprise and pro version
Or take Odoo, It was called TinyERP back then before 2008, then became openERP in 2010, it was fully opensource till it became fully functional and more robust, one day the founder of the same decided that now he can milk this cow built by community as open source software ofcourse with his leadership, brought some VC money and restructure everything
renamed it as Odoo , and now you dont get old versions of openERP easily even if you could download source from github you cant build and use it if you dont know the advance level coding
or take MySQL how it was open source and free it was purchased by Oracle and then again his original founder wrote another opensource database named Mariadb
(not sure what would be the fate of that too, atleast this one is competing against back to MySQL)
@@monomono9627 I am an average Joe and majority of people that I know are like this too. For my personal needs, Krita, Inkscape, Blender, Shotcut and Kdenlive work perfectly (though at least in case of Blender and Inkscape, apparently they're liked by the professionals of their respective industries too)
Justice is not finally being severed. Tell me one time one of these tech monopolies has faced a real serious consequences for anything.
It’s always a slap on the wrist.
Never. US gov will never hurt their companies. If its an outsider than yes. Huawie, etc
@@drac124Exactly.
People will continue to vote for the same people who've sold them out to the highest bidder, then complain when everything continues to get worse and worse every year.
Passing sneaky legislation in the middle of the night? Sure.
You have to sign it to read it? No problem!
It's absurd, then I get called a conspiracy theorist for noticing this shit lmao
We're in peak Idiocracy, and she's about to come tumbling down.
Exactly. As long as the profits exceed the fines by a large enough margin, they just consider it the cost of doing business.
@@drac124 Exactly, rules for thee...
@@Ebani...but not for me.
This is why photoshop has gotten so popular and easy to pirate, And I don't feel bad whatsoever. I don't have a kideny to sell every year. Ashame, they used to be the top leader in their field.
And Im still using Photoshop CS5 (2010)
@@zomgbrattodilolrenzor6081 Same. Sure the newer versions are nicer and have a lot more tools, but it does the bare minimum I need it to do and that's fine.
I switched to Affinity when Adobe started their subscriptions. I will not pay a subscription fee.
"People rarely factor in the distant future" = "People are idiots".
"The most evil company" Don't tell this guy about Nestle
Or -Evil- Electronic Arts. Or -shitmaster- ticketmaster.
Add the qualifier of "software company" and it might be right.
@@agalerex Livenation! Don't forget Livenation!
@@nairbvel I didn't forget them. I saw no point in including them, because in my opinion, they became essentially the same as -shitmaster- after they merged together.
Adobe PDF was a red flag lmao. 50 USD for a PDF editor.
back when this thing came, people did not understood pdf and alternatives were nowehre to be seen or understood what they did
right now create pdfs is so easy, edit them is still complicated, you can cut pages and add text, but edit is not for everybody
i will never buy their crap, but i do understand why they came with that idea
no biggest problem is that some idiots pay the 50$ a month 😂
there was even a period when Adobe PDF Viewer asked you to upgrade to paid version when you tried to rotate the file. SERIOUSLY?!?! Rotating is a very basic function.
@corvus8638 google drive has a plugin, and Samsung / Microsoft has the ability to sign and edit pdfs now. So we do!
Back then there wasn't.
@corvus8638 Yeah and Adobe knows it
I remember when Photoshop was sold on a disc. And a McChicken was 99 cents. Ah.
In 2007 a professor at University gave me a DVD with the Adobe CS3 suite. He said "just install the programs, don't copy the disc". Yeah, right. I burned my own DVD even before installing the programs with his.
God i wish i was alive back then just to experience that
@@razorwolf2758 we were middle class, but we felt rich. Now I'm "middle class" and feel poor
:C
wow they are despicable. It was a struggle to cancel my student subscription. I had to downgrade my account then I was able to cancel it. It was completely ridiculous.
8:30 “Here’s what we don’t do: We don’t scan…” double negative meaning that is literally what they would do!
This is exactly why legal jargon/writing needs to be banned in consumer contracts at this point. NO ONE READS IT OR UNDERSTANDS IT CORRECTLY!! It needs to be written out very clearly, in plain language, and bluntly.
Example: "We, the company [name here], own the product you are requesting, [product name here]. We are granting you access for a limited time based on the agreed conditions. You are renting this product/software. We may revoke access at any time."
Instead, we write these long winded documents that we KNOW no one reads (because let us all be honest here, no one wants to read a 20 page legal document to use say Disney+, and if you do the chances are it will just make your head spin). They know no one reads them, and thus they throw extra non related crap in or write it in such a way that extends their legal power beyond the actual thing in question!!!
We dont write anything. .Lawyers do. That is why they are rich and we are not. Do you get it now?
The only EULA I have ever read in its entirety is the GNU General Public License, and it was far enough back that it might have even been version 1 of it.
@@bhubbard6573 Lawyers intentionally make their text look and feel like total garbage in order to make parsing it unbearable for most people. Essentially they are in a situation in which the worse they write their text - the more profit they get. And ban of this practice seems to be the only solution to the problem
Facts my man
It doesn't matter. EULAs are worthless, and often entirely unenforceable...largely, because no one ever reads them.
When I joined my last workplace I told my boss I don't need fancy design software. I can do everything with freeware available for commercial use by companies. I asked him that if I demonstrate that I can could he give me the money he paid for those licenses? He said, let us try. I did that but he never gave me the money. Instead he forced everyone to use my free software and everyone was angry at me. He saved 10k+ on yearly licenses. Everyone had to learn a new software and its tools but we never saw any reward from it...
What a greedy jew
😂😂😂
@@sean7221what does this have to do with a jew?????
@sean7221 The gen..tiles were/are just as bad. It’s not the je..ws that ran the c/ia/f/bi
Lol...
I left Adobe a decade ago, and I'm so glad I did... they were already scummy then but now so much worse. Plenty of cheaper/free alternatives out there, and while they might not always be as refined and play nice with each other, at least you know you aren't being screwed over on purpose.
Just found >10GB of photos copied to Adobe Photoshop folder in apps. Creative Cloud Files Folder landed in Finder Favourites, replacing & deleting my "Creative" folder with ALL my work. Can't uninstall.
Well done video! Thank you for making it and giving us good info. Thank you.
I like how Fruity Loops does business. You buy their software once and they give you free updates to new versions forever.
It's FL studio, fruity loops is owned by Kellogs (yes FL studio faced Kellogs on that one, also i know fruity loops was the name of it at first)
FL Studio and Reaper have the best business models.
Yeah! I've been using FL Studio for the better part of 5 years for my music, and I still intend on doing so.
One of the very few software, I never regretted buying.
😮, i though you have to pay the updates, so how they make money?
Unless they pay huge fines (at least 30% of their revenue in the whole time that this shit was allowed) and get hit with other fines/laws nothing will change... I'm tired of listening to judgements that result in a company being in the wrong and paying 0.001% of revenue of a month...
Adobe: The Roach Motel where you checkin but can’t checkout.
1:41 The difficulty of getting a customer to spend a few thousand dollars to buy a software package is _not_ the reason they went subscription-only. They could just as easily have solved that by offering subscription _options,_ while still allowing you to buy the software as well.
The point of going subscription-only is lock-in: you can no longer open your files as soon as you let the subscription lapse. This is the truly nasty thing about these subscriptions, and why you can no longer buy the software.
Yup, it's like if painters were only allowed to rent the canvas and painting tools to paint on.
Dropped all my Adopey stuff a year ago; never looked back. The enshitification is real.
Trying to lock us into an endless pay cycle was bad, but stealing IP is where I draw the line.
Once Adobe turned to subscriptions, I jumped ship. Any company that goes down that road will turn evil. It is only a matter of time
Adobe products are just like Sims4 expansion packs: you have to be batsh crazy to not pirate it all. Until every hobbyist and worker can find a good alt software, 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ is the way.
I haven't paid for anything digital in a long time
Piracy is life 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Okay but the video was honestly pretty transphobic
A lot of cc is better than the actual game
Meanwhile your pfp@@JamesWagner-vv9iz
@@JamesWagner-vv9iz why your programmer made you, a POS
2:22 The root cause is a failure of the USDOJ to prosecute any company since Reagan on anti-trust grounds. The Sherman Anti-trust Act still exists; Congress needs to reiterate the simple fact: monopolies are bad. Full stop.
They trapped me wity their subscription. When they came for the money, my debit card had expired. I ran faster than my legs. Now am happy client of DaVinci Resolve. Adobe is annoying. Great vodeo by the way with some exquisite editing. Keep up the good work
"You will own nothing and be happy" -
When a company gets so astronomically entitled so they start believing that throwing you anti consumer practices in your face is a common sense thing.
I feel like they lost so many customers in the past 4-6 years. This makes a great ground for competitors to rise up.
FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) is the only solution.♥️ We have to grow FOSS community by contributing in open source. 🙌🏻💯
Adobe knows very well it is acting unethically and it's business model is exploitative. It is also common knowledge that a large proportion of "Utube creative influencers" are very slow in pointing the finger at Adobe. Meanwhile, artists, photographers, etc. are simply interested in focusing on their chosen art. Again, Adobe knows this. All in all artists need to pool together, elect a leader, and then take on Adobe!
I have a strict rule: no monthly payments! Monthly payments simply reduce your income. It's like taking a pay cut
It is morally justified to pirate Adobe software
It's morally justified to Pirate any software as long as you don't profit from it.
Not just justified, but encouraged. In fact, it is one's duty
Is better to just stop using adobe products
@@javierandreiotaku We don't have a better alternative.
Users who use Adobe products are used to the Ferraris of editing.
The competition right now (the free ones, at least) are all 1985 Volkswagen Beetles.
Not bad cars... but do they even compare to Ferrarris?
@@H96-d6j There are non-free alternatives. Affinity isnt free.. but it does (at least for now) let you actuality purchase their software (one time fee).
I cancelled my subscription after 10 years. You can only tolerate them so much.
It took you ten years?
@@zach11241 Yeah, between having lots of clients and established workflows with them, not having a real alternative to AE, and other issues, I had no choice but to keep using it.
"Controversial" implies there's another side to it and that people are divided. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say anything positive about Adobe other than that their software works well and usually that's the but proceed by a complaint.
and shareholders won't complaint.
They’re really good to their employees :)
@@LogicallyAnsweredEven internally, Adobe has one of the lowest rated Employee Satisfaction Indexes of all time, and their lower level employees are horrifically mistreated. Suffice it to say, Adobe had this coming.
Funny thing about corporate greed. The government doesn’t go after them until AFTER they have made their bank. By that point, it’s a slap on the wrist for them and the customer is never made whole from the scam.
The US government needs a huge kick in the ass on digital laws.
Well it’s only been in the last few years that they’ve been starting to exercise their mandates again to go after monopolies and other bad actors. These things take a long time (lawyers) so we will see if it’s permitted to continue after this next election.
448 dollars to cancel? Imagine being a brazilian worker, which is paid the minimal wage of around 257 dollars monthly, having to face such bill?
Ridiculous.
That's why most companies fall - too greedy - they want to please the investors so much that they bite more than they can chew and choke.
"If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing"
-Some wise man
If you're going to repeat a line, at least get it right: it's PAYING, not buying.
If you buy it, you own it. Full Stop. If you don't get ownership, you just paid for it, but you didn't buy it.
@@Roxor128 ok, but I don't really felt like changing the quote. Even if it is less accurate, the message is still clear
Thank you for correcting anyway🙏
Adobe stole over $200 from me.
Did it feel good?
Uninstalled Adobe suit.
Krita
Inkscape
Kdenlive
Blender
and GIMP
As a photographer, i agree, a big expense is adobe suites
Adobe was cool until I found Davinci Resolve and now I can do all of my videos through that for free. Fuck Adobe
or just pirate adobe. it's not morally wrong to do so
@@EpicSword28 I prefer Davinci. To each their own
@@EpicSword28 Or just don't pirate it at all. Adobe is not worth pirating.
No one should be using Premiere to edit when Resolve is there as a free alternative. (The paid studio version isn't even all that expensive, and is not subscription based.) Resolve is not only cheaper, it's just much better IMO.
@@Tobez i've actually been trying to choose between them. i can't find any method of pirating adobe without it being overly complex, and all youtube tutorials are an obvious scam. davinci on the other hand is free. i'm just wondering, which one is EASIER to get into, is LESS buggy, and is MORE convenient for short videos like memes or other simple stuff?
Most YT channels could definitely simply do with Kdenlive.
@@Fanaro Them, and Godot. (John Riccitiello, thanks for making people leave Unity to support FOSS)
Kdenlive started to crash for me, after an update. I use OpenShot now.
Just a tip, if you're on linux barely have any alternatives.
Kdenlive gang stand up!
As a Kdenlive user, I agree
Davinci
Switched to Affinity. Never looked back.
Just a few days ago I saw a story, hope it's just a rumor, about Canva buying Affinity, so now everyone's worried about a change of business model.
The editing here is amazing. The editors deserve a raise.😅
It's hard to move away from Adobe because it's the industry standard.
Plus learning a new software can take time and some people may not have the time to learn it.
As a professional I no longer trust Adobe with my work and if an employer insists that I use Adobe software, I will then have to cover my own ass with a separate contract that absolves me of any and all financial and legal responsibility in the event of Adobe stealing and/or leaking confidential information and assets signed under NDA.
I will NOT be put into a situation where I could be sued by my employer because Adobe decided it wanted to steal IP just like China. Idc that Adobe scrubbed the TOS of that scummy rule, for all I know they could be lying and are doing it anyway without customer knowledge or permission
@@solarydays Nope, but I am going to switch to One-Time Purchase Software like Affinity Design and DaVinci Resolve for professional work while using Open Source software that meets my creative needs.
Because I know backlash can only go so far in stopping Adobe from doing what they really want to do which is to steal their customers work while charging insane prices for permission to use their products.
Hell the fact that not even Nintendo and Sony's data is safe from some bored nosy Adobe employee that backdoored their way into a customer's data and leaked NDA protected company secrets tells volumes on how untrustworthy Adobe truly is at ALL levels of the company.
I'm sick of constant price hikes, I'm tired of the scummy practices, I don't trust the employees at ALL levels of the company, and I hope the government lawsuit hits them where it hurts, because they deserve every drop of hate and misfortune after everything they've done to screw over customers
11:15 Rethinking their ethics would mean that Adobe had ethics in the first place. #UnfetteredCapitalism
The (ideally unfettered) market is what calls out bad practices and pursues legal action if it is justified and for finding better alternatives that better reflect the desires of the free market.
Both of which are happening.
Of course we don't live in an "unfettered" market so unfortunately these things didn't happen as soon and strongly as they could've.
ALL subscription services are EVIL EVIL EVIL.
Where I work we have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy of NO SUBSCRIPTIONS on software use, even if the need is great!
I really hate the subscription model, but to be fair I have to admit that it addresses (in a really slimy and abusive way) the problem of software becoming unstable over time as the machine and operating systems are updated.
So many companies have destroyed their own brands. Adobe. Boeing. Cadbury. Qantas. Subway. Tesla. Twitter. United Airlines. and many others !!
10:30 The biggest reason why Adobe has been allowed to be a monopoly is because of their patents. They’re a monopoly because the government allows it.
Using Gimp wasn't so dumb after all :P
Krita. Gimp never seemed like same thing as photoshop.
GIMP is still trash. For illustration or minor editing you'll always choose krita, at least it let's you select multiple layers (unlike gimp).
@@4x13x17 You can use layer groups in the GIMP to affect changes on a number of selected layers at once. There is a way to do most things it's usually always just a bit different.
@@TransCanadaPhil Ctrl + Left Click to select layers. Its not productive man
Just use photopea
Millions must delete adobe
Everytime i look at his face, i remember the famous quote: '''' Do NOT redeem it!!! do NOT redeeem it !!!! WHY DID REDEEM IT ???!!! ''''
What's sad is that initially Adobe was the only company doing AI right. They were using their existing library of clipart for training rather than scraping the web. This made it the only AI that was using training data the company legitimately had the rights to.
Trying to also scoop up user data was a bad move when they had the moral high ground to begin with.
Even if Adobe rethinks its terms, I'd be very uncomfortable trusting it again. Once a cheat, always a cheat.
I can't tell you many times I tried clicking the cancel button and it would literally just redirect to the home page. The second or third time usually works and it happens that way every time. It ain't even just early termination fees. This company is truly sleazy as fuck.
They are evil. I signed up for a subscription and when i unsubscribed I had to pay half of the remaining time.
I heard the gov built a time machine just to travel back to the 80s and buy some metal slap bracelets for the most epic wrist slap in FTC history!
If smaller companies or alternatives made a function that just a bit closely same as them, they'd be sued out of oblivion. But when Adobe made a mistake, they just have to issue a non apology apology for it.
Our company had to use Photoshop as it was only one artists accepted. Fortunately we were wise enough to make a separate credit card for this purpose. When it was time to move on we simply closed the card and ignored all the threatening emails and calls from Adobe. Worked like a charm. What surprised me is that they tried to renew the plan months before the actual renewal date!