You can play survival as a ranged hybrid build. Grab a slow ranged weapon and a slow 2 hander so you can get trap launcher and 5/5 entrapment. You can double trap on top of a wyvern Also Chimera resets the wyvern sting dot to a 15 second dot, does about 100dmg every second. You can also play with a boar if you are good with pet charge to land traps on running targets. Since you can switch all with runes and weapons between the playstyles its pretty fun for solo or group pvp depending on what you need. Great video btw thanks for the info.
even just swapping dual wield for trap launcher and slapping on the polearm is juicy in deep survival lone wolf those spammable 2h raptor strikes are no jokes, and frost trap and freezing trap 40yard away in combat? hard to pass on
Some feedback if I may: - 1 point into Trap Mastery as Survival is a must. 1 skill point to cap your hitchance with traps is not rivaled by any other point. - 5/5 Entrapment with trap launcher in our kit is nothing you should ever miss out on. By far our most broken talent for PvP across all trees. - Carve is garbage, full stop. If you have an instant range ability that does at least autoshot dmg and can disarm ppl, you do not want to miss out on that for a low dmg button you almost never press. - Run trap launcher default and swap to a second pair of boots with dw rune on demand with FD. The only other thing you need FD for would be the 2 min wyvern but you can always just use that and swap to melee the same time. You can also throw a trap and swap to other boots mid air while still out of combat. Missing out on trap launcher is a big nono and more often than not you won't even be able to get into melee (because you have no gap closer or would just die instantly), leaving you with a useless rune for those situations. Also gives you another range gap closer in the form of Freezing Trap on range -> get close.
Something to consider is using chim shot with 31 points into surv. Chim shot gives you crazy versatility with disarm and mana restore along with great burst. You should able to snare with entrapment, imp wing clip, or counterattack vs melee, run into ranged and disarm and run back in and burst in melee. Also, wyverns best used as a gap closer. Stam isn’t mentioned and it should be equal or higher prio than agi
I love Chim but was a little underwhelmed @ first with bloodlash, but the disarm can come in clutch and there's a strong argument for it. Carve is just sort of interesting because although the tooltip doesn't mention it, it actually hits w/ both weapons and can deal some pretty hefty damage. The utility of Chim might still win out depending on the situation though, so I definitely should've given it a little blurb, +1.
Good video IMO/E for PvP if you do Lone Wolf - Survival; you play like a vanilla survival hunter w/ the added threat of real melee damage. You'll still mostly play ranged until the opportunity/ultimatum to use melee comes into play. From the comments folks talking about using Chimera, which adds a lot of value to the tool kit. That's how I think a good/effective hunter plays. Also in PvP a bad hunter is running around just trying to melee. Like you already stated we weren't designed to stay in melee combat. You'll get kitted and cc to death. Note: getting disarmed will break your delete key >
In the consumables category, I also recommend flash bombs. 1 second cast that doesn't require engineering but fears the target animal (shifted druid or shaman) for 10 seconds. It's absolutely brutal to opponent flash carriers
Hello, as a melee hunter, how do you manage to deal with the Rouge? Any tip? Well, as you know, they have a couple of stuns that are quite annoying or difficult to deal with.
Having played this exact build, which fucking wrecks, you should 100% grab chimera instead of carve. You can counter attack immobilize someone without fail bc it can't be dodged/parried/blocked, and from there just run to shot range and chimera disarm them. auto dub against melees while also providing WAY more offensive firepower against mages and shit when they get away. You basically become a slightly shittier MM hunter with way more tools against melee, which is what MM struggles with anyway.
Idk I went 31 in BM and I was top dps in gnomer and in pvp the intimidation stun pretty much is guaranteed kill in wsg or ab. Everyone keeps saying survival but so far in game I haven't been touched
24 in BM up to the stun and 7 into Surv for the Raptor strike crit is what I've been running and I'm an absolute savage. The Stun on a 60 second cooldown is a better CC than anything else in the surv tree and since we have no gap closer, it allows us to stun a target while while getting a sting and arcane shot on them, then Raptor strike when closing the distance.. I'm also prioritzing stamina (wearing the mail from sm, including eroids shoulders for the stam). In BG's and STV i have 4k buffed hp. I'm a wrecking ball at close range and at range, I'm still a BM hunter. IMO this build has no weakness. With this much health, it's really hard to burst me down and if a warrior or rogue is on me I will kill them first 100% of the time.. ESPECIALLY if my pet stun is off cooldown. I recconmend 5 into parry in surv, then 2 in savage strikes, and 5 into improved monkey in BM. Puts your dodge well over 20% which is massive against rogues. If you dodge a warrior, feign death so you get detargeted and buy a little more time before getting overpowered to pump out another raptor strike and kill the warrior. Have fun out there hunters.
So you take BM down to intimidation and 2/2 spirit bond, then 3/3 humanoid slaying 2 in parry and 3/3 Savage strikes? The spirit bond talent is nice for hp regeneration, but there is an argument to be made for bestial disciple too. or you remove the spirit bond/bestial discipline altogether and get 4/5 deflection in survival. That works too. I assume you go 5/5 improved monkey in BM tree? I think 21/0/10 sounds amazing, so this is what I went for: Endurance training: 5/5, Improved Aspect of the monkey: 5/5, Bestial Swiftness 1/1 and Unleashed fury 5/5, Ferocity 4/5 and Intimidation. and in the survival tree: humanoid slaying 3/3 and Parry 5/5 and Savage Strikes 2/2. with this, your pet moves 30% faster, meaning your victims cannot outrun it and when you catch up to them thanks to the stun, you will destroy them.
@ingolf82 Currently I'm rocking 5 Endurance Training, 5 Imp Monkey, 5 Unl Fury, 1 Beas Swift, 5 Ferocity, 2 Beas Disc, 1 intimidation, Surv: 3 Human Slaying, 2 Parry, 2 Savage strikes. The way I play, this build fits perfect and not only am I a beast, my pet is also.
pet is extremely reliable IMO. My pet SLAYS. gets me out of situations where I'd have died otherwise ALL the time.. even in pve. -you get cc'd you cannot get out of it. Pet ensures dmg is still happening, and a lot of it -stun from pet on 2 min cd -almost nobody actually attacks pets -more things
IMO going BM is pretty freakin' far from having all your eggs in 1 basket... my pet makes it so that if I'm cc'd or something I can still make moves.. I find that if I didn't have the pet I'd be having far fewer options. Also in Blood Moon I can play dead and send my Humar after low HP clowns and nobody bothers the pet. =)
nothing more satisfying than a geared out warrior charging you/rogue opening with confidence only to get slapped no sweat thanks to deterrence lol, give their pocket heals the ol' wyvern sting so they can watch it happen hahaha
How is that bow a plastic toy? It's better than my BFD blue gun. I mow ppl down with it. Maybe it's that you put all your eggs in that lone wolf-surv basket? xD
its top end damage is incredibly low and it has far too fast of an attack speed to do reasonable damage with chimera/aimed/whatever. the proc is incredible (for melee hunter), but as far as dedicated ranged weapons are concerned, it’s extremely mid. it is, in fact, marginally better than a level 25 weapon, but it’s nowhere near as good as at-level alternatives, including the easy to get WSG pvp bow, any AH green, or ofc its “true” counterpart, the gnomer gun. not sure what lw/surv have to do with the bow, other than it being melee statstick vs more appropriate range options?
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You can play survival as a ranged hybrid build. Grab a slow ranged weapon and a slow 2 hander so you can get trap launcher and 5/5 entrapment. You can double trap on top of a wyvern Also Chimera resets the wyvern sting dot to a 15 second dot, does about 100dmg every second. You can also play with a boar if you are good with pet charge to land traps on running targets. Since you can switch all with runes and weapons between the playstyles its pretty fun for solo or group pvp depending on what you need.
Great video btw thanks for the info.
even just swapping dual wield for trap launcher and slapping on the polearm is juicy in deep survival lone wolf those spammable 2h raptor strikes are no jokes, and frost trap and freezing trap 40yard away in combat? hard to pass on
I've seen this info across maybe 10 videos already, and this was for sure the smoothest delivery out of all of them. Keep it up!
appreciate that lots :)
Some feedback if I may:
- 1 point into Trap Mastery as Survival is a must. 1 skill point to cap your hitchance with traps is not rivaled by any other point.
- 5/5 Entrapment with trap launcher in our kit is nothing you should ever miss out on. By far our most broken talent for PvP across all trees.
- Carve is garbage, full stop. If you have an instant range ability that does at least autoshot dmg and can disarm ppl, you do not want to miss out on that for a low dmg button you almost never press.
- Run trap launcher default and swap to a second pair of boots with dw rune on demand with FD. The only other thing you need FD for would be the 2 min wyvern but you can always just use that and swap to melee the same time. You can also throw a trap and swap to other boots mid air while still out of combat. Missing out on trap launcher is a big nono and more often than not you won't even be able to get into melee (because you have no gap closer or would just die instantly), leaving you with a useless rune for those situations. Also gives you another range gap closer in the form of Freezing Trap on range -> get close.
Something to consider is using chim shot with 31 points into surv. Chim shot gives you crazy versatility with disarm and mana restore along with great burst. You should able to snare with entrapment, imp wing clip, or counterattack vs melee, run into ranged and disarm and run back in and burst in melee. Also, wyverns best used as a gap closer. Stam isn’t mentioned and it should be equal or higher prio than agi
Chim and multi also allow you to nuke at range for when you get kited
I love Chim but was a little underwhelmed @ first with bloodlash, but the disarm can come in clutch and there's a strong argument for it.
Carve is just sort of interesting because although the tooltip doesn't mention it, it actually hits w/ both weapons and can deal some pretty hefty damage. The utility of Chim might still win out depending on the situation though, so I definitely should've given it a little blurb, +1.
@@specstreTV use the wsg rep bow. stats and good dmg
That’s what I’m running with right now. The disarm and mana back you get makes it so worthwhile
This is definitely a high quality guide, thank you.
Just stumbled across you, great video, subscribed. Please keep them coming!
thank you very much, means a lot! :D
Good video
IMO/E for PvP if you do Lone Wolf - Survival; you play like a vanilla survival hunter w/ the added threat of real melee damage. You'll still mostly play ranged until the opportunity/ultimatum to use melee comes into play. From the comments folks talking about using Chimera, which adds a lot of value to the tool kit. That's how I think a good/effective hunter plays.
Also in PvP a bad hunter is running around just trying to melee. Like you already stated we weren't designed to stay in melee combat. You'll get kitted and cc to death.
Note: getting disarmed will break your delete key >
In the consumables category, I also recommend flash bombs. 1 second cast that doesn't require engineering but fears the target animal (shifted druid or shaman) for 10 seconds. It's absolutely brutal to opponent flash carriers
gotta get in on it before the inevetible nerf!
Hello, as a melee hunter, how do you manage to deal with the Rouge? Any tip?
Well, as you know, they have a couple of stuns that are quite annoying or difficult to deal with.
Having played this exact build, which fucking wrecks, you should 100% grab chimera instead of carve. You can counter attack immobilize someone without fail bc it can't be dodged/parried/blocked, and from there just run to shot range and chimera disarm them. auto dub against melees while also providing WAY more offensive firepower against mages and shit when they get away. You basically become a slightly shittier MM hunter with way more tools against melee, which is what MM struggles with anyway.
I've actually been running chimera shot. The disarm is super nice, and it is critting around 500 for me.
If this Mele Hunter is as tough as you let on, you'll be fine there alone, right?
Idk I went 31 in BM and I was top dps in gnomer and in pvp the intimidation stun pretty much is guaranteed kill in wsg or ab. Everyone keeps saying survival but so far in game I haven't been touched
24 in BM up to the stun and 7 into Surv for the Raptor strike crit is what I've been running and I'm an absolute savage. The Stun on a 60 second cooldown is a better CC than anything else in the surv tree and since we have no gap closer, it allows us to stun a target while while getting a sting and arcane shot on them, then Raptor strike when closing the distance.. I'm also prioritzing stamina (wearing the mail from sm, including eroids shoulders for the stam). In BG's and STV i have 4k buffed hp. I'm a wrecking ball at close range and at range, I'm still a BM hunter. IMO this build has no weakness. With this much health, it's really hard to burst me down and if a warrior or rogue is on me I will kill them first 100% of the time.. ESPECIALLY if my pet stun is off cooldown. I recconmend 5 into parry in surv, then 2 in savage strikes, and 5 into improved monkey in BM. Puts your dodge well over 20% which is massive against rogues. If you dodge a warrior, feign death so you get detargeted and buy a little more time before getting overpowered to pump out another raptor strike and kill the warrior. Have fun out there hunters.
So you take BM down to intimidation and 2/2 spirit bond, then 3/3 humanoid slaying 2 in parry and 3/3 Savage strikes? The spirit bond talent is nice for hp regeneration, but there is an argument to be made for bestial disciple too. or you remove the spirit bond/bestial discipline altogether and get 4/5 deflection in survival. That works too. I assume you go 5/5 improved monkey in BM tree? I think 21/0/10 sounds amazing, so this is what I went for: Endurance training: 5/5, Improved Aspect of the monkey: 5/5, Bestial Swiftness 1/1 and Unleashed fury 5/5, Ferocity 4/5 and Intimidation. and in the survival tree: humanoid slaying 3/3 and Parry 5/5 and Savage Strikes 2/2. with this, your pet moves 30% faster, meaning your victims cannot outrun it and when you catch up to them thanks to the stun, you will destroy them.
@ingolf82 Currently I'm rocking 5 Endurance Training, 5 Imp Monkey, 5 Unl Fury, 1 Beas Swift, 5 Ferocity, 2 Beas Disc, 1 intimidation, Surv: 3 Human Slaying, 2 Parry, 2 Savage strikes. The way I play, this build fits perfect and not only am I a beast, my pet is also.
pet is extremely reliable IMO. My pet SLAYS. gets me out of situations where I'd have died otherwise ALL the time.. even in pve.
-you get cc'd you cannot get out of it. Pet ensures dmg is still happening, and a lot of it
-stun from pet on 2 min cd
-almost nobody actually attacks pets
-more things
IMO going BM is pretty freakin' far from having all your eggs in 1 basket... my pet makes it so that if I'm cc'd or something I can still make moves.. I find that if I didn't have the pet I'd be having far fewer options. Also in Blood Moon I can play dead and send my Humar after low HP clowns and nobody bothers the pet. =)
Now we just need a Range-Warrior for Phase 3
bring on the bandage spec and longbow warrior runes
Thank you so another amazing video!
nothing more satisfying than a geared out warrior charging you/rogue opening with confidence only to get slapped no sweat thanks to deterrence lol, give their pocket heals the ol' wyvern sting so they can watch it happen hahaha
Gj slapping all those pepega combat rogues 😅
@@zoologic1190 if combat uses poisons + mutilate
How is that bow a plastic toy? It's better than my BFD blue gun. I mow ppl down with it. Maybe it's that you put all your eggs in that lone wolf-surv basket? xD
its top end damage is incredibly low and it has far too fast of an attack speed to do reasonable damage with chimera/aimed/whatever. the proc is incredible (for melee hunter), but as far as dedicated ranged weapons are concerned, it’s extremely mid.
it is, in fact, marginally better than a level 25 weapon, but it’s nowhere near as good as at-level alternatives, including the easy to get WSG pvp bow, any AH green, or ofc its “true” counterpart, the gnomer gun.
not sure what lw/surv have to do with the bow, other than it being melee statstick vs more appropriate range options?
hello can i have your weakaura for the danger viper aspect plz?^^
sure :) sorry for slow reply. hopefully YT doesn't mind this absolute string of gibberish LOL
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didnt this get nerfed?
Bout 18% roughly
"no gap closers", uses concussive, wyvern, Cheetah, pet stun (w/ pet dash)
its super nice but missing one thing is macros for p2 Melee so pls link it here thx for nice job btw
Rockbiter is easiest to get slow 2h with stam and 20str
now the rank 5 trinket is gettable for most of the playerbase this week, they wont be laughing at our awful mobility anymore!...every 5 minutes.
1st they have 0 mobility and very inconsistent CC 2nd they're not even close to being top dps anymore in the raid
Shame raptor strike just got "nerfed"😢
yeah, prebis swords are actually performing slightly better with normalization (at least in pve), so not a substantial change for better or worse LOL
Without heal every specc or class is useless in wow pvp XD
Hunters will be nerfed very soon.
Um of all the guides that needed to be made this is the least that needed to be made. It’s such a basic spec.
Such a busted class. Screw blizzard