Did I Get SCAMMED? Or Am I OVERREACTING?
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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Yeah it's odd that cattle prices are strong yet hay prices are still soft, we stopped putting up corn silage as the cost is so high, far rather push a spectrum of hays at them and it seems to be fine
@piperdoug428 Guy could have just fed hay this year, but normally get $85-125 a bale on our horse hay. . .Can't justify feeding high dollar hay to cows. . .
Love small feeders. We need more of you! From Sw Oklahoma USA
@@garygrose6351 Thanks for watching!
Charges at the sale barns never made sense to us either. I get they need to make some money. A yardage fee on animals that you drop off and spend and hour there before going through the ring and the workers spend a whole 2 minutes with them. 🤷🤷
Sometimes it seems they charge more in fees then commission. .
Not to mention "yardage, insurance, & USDA promo". It's sickening
I appreciate the info about the tail bone stuff with calving I have never heard that
@richardlynch3991 No problem, pretty much all the calving issues associated with feeding corn silage can be avoided by watching cow condition.
That sux they hit you with those charges unannounced. I've never heard of a buyers fee. We're over in North Dakota. We had a really good hay year, so there is a lot of hay for sale. Like you said, supply and demand. There's a lot of hay, so the prices are down. I saw some nice 1400 lb' 1/3 alfalfa, 2/3 broom grass for $40 if you take a hundred. Don't really need any but probably gonna buy a hundred. A few years back when we were dried out that hay was $90 to $110. Can always run it through the tub grinder and mix it with silage next year.
@JulianKeller-om6wz Definitely, Hard to pass up so cheap of feed. . .
Sorry that the sales barn was able to do that to you. And the sellers commission and buyers premium both being charged is total b.s. All auctions have gone that way in the last few years. All you can do is not participate, which is tough. On a brighter note-was sure nice to get a double tot sighting in todays video.
More like double trouble. . . Lol
run your own add, build a sign out front, distribute cards, complie a client list. I don't know where your working from but maybe you should look into selling in drought areas. good fortune to you from north western pennsylvania brother.
@@michaelmontgomery5326 2/3rds of our hay is sold privately. . .Just ended up with so much cattle hay due to the weather. . .
@@e.a.bfarms ok great I don't think it is a fine thing to take advantage of the foundation of this nation's survival. Thank you for your efforts brother, Have a wonderful day and seasons greetings to you and your family, Townville pennsylvania USA.
We're in Northeastern Alabama. In the past several years we were sending 50 or so semi truck loads west. I've never had any seller fees. Hell these hay brokers were glad to get our hay.
@@ShannonHaygood-y2e Hay brokers are always glad to get hay. . . Smh.
I live in Ohio southeast Ohio. We have major drop this year. I’m happy to have hay for $50 a bail. Some people are paying $80 a bill. Hopefully next year is different. We got one cutting and that was it.
@SteveMonzula We had drought in 21 and 23.
Teff grass in Mora was selling for $15/bale. No buyers premium, but sellers pay 10%. Hay is dirt cheap this year, if you want to make $ you'll have to find people who want high quality stuff. "we all take our time on each side of the line"
@BronzeBowFarm This video was about East Central. They changed their minimum commission was the whole point of video. We sell premium hay to horse farms all year long. . .
I can kind of understand your frustration, but I also see it from their perspective too.
They got to pay a guy to run a skid steer . They have to pay for the auctioneer and his two helpers. Plus the gals in the office.
Since the hay prices are so low, they're 10%. Commission probably isn't working out very well.
A guy like you needs to find direct to consumer buyers for his hay.
If you go to auction you're going to get your teeth kicked in
@BronzeBowFarm You don't think record cattle prices are making up the difference? If you actually watch the video, I talk about why I am upset. They made the commission change without telling anyone. It should have been posted and told when unloading. Secretly changing it on the checks without telling anyone is not a way to do business. . .I also talk about our direct customers and why we use the sale barns. When you make the amount of bales we do, it's pretty much a necessity. . .
How did the prices you received for your hay compare to the prices paid for other lots sold that day?
@r.scotthill3082 Top 1/3 pretty consistently. Our alfalfa is usually market top.
how long can you sell hay at below production cost and still stay in business- it is always way too hot when baling and way too cold when selling as the farmer always say i guess -what will you give me
@fred-h9u Just one of them things. . . Can't afford to sell at a loss, but can't afford to not sell it either. . . As the farmer always said. . ."Next year will be better". I hope that farmer was right.
I live in Southwest Wisconsin. I have 3 hay sales within 20 miles from me. We don't have none of them fees
@jim2498 Been really considering starting to market down in Sw wi. Seems like the alfalfa and straw market is alright with the dairy farms down there.
@e.a.bfarms it is. But you have to have good hay and straw to get good money. I have beef cattle so I am not looking for that. But if you want more information about the hay auctions around me just ask.
Just little info I am actually going to hay sale today. It was a little higher last week. A lot of people were getting their hay before we get snow. So far we don't have any. I love it.
Its Greed.... And the farmer usually loses unfortunately
Businesses will notice when there is only a couple big farms around, then it will be too late. . . . Thanks for watching Brad!
Mostly 40 bucks a bale here in SWMo but I've seen some sale for 25
Not horrible, Any hay going to the east coast for there?
@e.a.bfarms I haven't heard of any . There's always some going south and down into north Arkansas . Small squares are at a premium like always .
In Southwest Wisconsin poor grassy bales are around 60 a ton
Good hay brings decent money here in Northeast Wisconsin. Poor quality cattle hay is also in the toilet. Wheat straw prices aren’t that great either. Just to much volume out there. That sucks when you have the volume that you have to move. You need to move something
Definitely, Can't have a week without moving volume. . You got much snow over there?
@ We have just a dusting on the ground. Everyone has been going to Upper Michigan to get any snowmobiling in.
@@timpingel9607 Yeah, I ain't got no time to travel. If we don't get snow here I doubt I will be riding this year. . .
@ It’s about a 4-5 hour ride for me to get to good snow. We are planning to go up in the next week or so. Definitely a lot nicer getting on going from home! Hopefully you’ll get enough to ride sometime🤞
Like corn and beans, sell at a slight loss but buy down interest. Less of a loss then.
Buddy took hay to sauk centre. Commission almost matched the price of hay it went so cheap
I wouldn't be selling. 25 might have drought. In 6 months, that hay might be 45$? Or it could be $10.
At prices now, I thought of buying cheap hay, wrapping it, and stacking it. Sell it next year at a high price or have drought inventory.
Hows it going Jon? Nice to see you still watching! Agreed on keeping some for next year, couple thousand maybe, not 7 or 8. . .Rock creek been any good?
@e.a.bfarms no I think some guys took him up there and I've heard hey as low as the teens
That much hay, fill your yard up with feeders, lock in some future pricing and maybe look at the lrp system to keep profit
Some of the guys up by Hinckley I've been buying these cows from drought stress areas or broken mouth cows. Throw them on a soft feed TMR ration and fairly quick turnaround
A farmer called and he said he's got 600 silage bales they're not selling so he's going to put them on a field that's going to row crop next year. 20p 40K credits per ton of dry hay. Plus the carbon.
@e.a.bfarms you know your money situation and how you want to run your business, but if it was me
Before selling this hay at a loss, I would be talking to my banker. I would be borrowing against this asset because if this hey price moved up $20 a bale, you’re talking 140,000 better income.
I would also be looking at taking a lot of hey acres out for the year and putting it to corn. If you're coming into the spring with this much surplus in a down market, I guess I would not be putting up another 7,000 bales
@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Don't get me wrong, Corn is my favorite crop to grow. . .But as a first-generation farm row crops don't pencile without supplemental income. I'm fighting too many btos for the good crop ground and rent is approaching $150 an acre avrage and more and more is renting for $180+. Hay is what built our operation, and this is the 1st year in 11 years selling at a loss. The video only shows auction prices. Our premium Horse Hay has been selling for $85 out of the shed, so we really can't complain there.
Unfortunately, The future plans involve alot less corn. It's really hard to swallow that but, it's time to focus on cattle. More cows and raising all our calves to finish. I don't have to fight my neighbors to add cattle like trying to gain land. I can actually let some ground go, and run on less operating capital due to cows and hay not taking near the input expense as row crops.
It's very sad that it's to the point that the small guys can't make a living growing row crops anymore. It's a shame the the big guys are pushing out the small guys, when all there is left is a couple big guys the businesses are going to be hurting, but by then it will be to late.
Here's to 2025, hoping things turn around, wishing you and your family the best Jon. Keep on keeping on!
@e.a.bfarms absolutely.
Other than a few select fields there is no ground east of Highway 25 all the way to the St Croix River that is worth much over 120, and a lot of it is worth 75 to 100 at best. I gave up 350 acres, I can make more money with the less Acres so why fight so hard or why work two jobs to not make money. By the time the dust settles the ground is going to be 130 to $140 an acre. Let's just compete until there's no profit left
I'm sure you already are but I would be talking to your local bank or to see what tools he has to let you be the most profitable with the low hey price right now
Always a Gamble. If it stays dry winter and we don't have much spring rain that hey is going to shoot up. We get another soaking wet spring....
I bought Bahia Hay in E. Texas for a few cows , at 30 .00 a round . in late Sept . Dont prices now .
@@josephmclennan1229 Did you guys have a pretty good growing season down there?
I just came across your channel. Are you located in mn if so where? I run a few cattle in central minnesota and am always looking for a good Hay provider?
@@shaunsmuder1637 Yeah, Ogilvie Mn. Check us out on Facebook E.A.B Farms.
@e.a.bfarms ill do that
Down by west central MN hay market is in the tank. Do you ever bring hay to hay auction in Sauk Centre?
Have not yet. Typically, they are a little shy of local. .
@ wouldn’t you rather sell directly to customers? Why pay the auction house while you do all the work?
@@mnmike2012 Sell thousands directly to horse farms, sale barn is outlet for non-Repetation hay or cattle quality.
A buyers fee and a sellers commission? First time I’ve seen an auction company get paid both ways. But I don’t follow auctions very close. I have never bought anything on an auction that charges a buyers fee. When that crap got popular I stopped going to sales. I’d be pretty pissed off too if I was in your shoes.
Pretty common these days. Sellers commission, buyers premium, then 10% for buyers online. . . .
If they are doing that on the hay side of sales. What are they doing on the cattle sales?!
@@rjwhiteford1018 Wouldn't we both like to know. . .
Yeah, market has crashed around here as well. Are both of your auctions doing that commission
All 3 hay sales we haul to every week are different. One is 5 and 5, ones 10 and 10, other is 10 with $3 flat.
That sucks the add changes without notice. The worst is buyer and seller paying commission that is total bs. You can’t sit there n all that hay either you guys have to much invested in producing your product to sell. If it sits to long then your losing feed value and quality of your hay.
@ryanbachman9227 Is what it is. . .Sure, miss the way it used to be.
Got to have high quality to make money this year with hay. Lots of crappy 1st and second cutting out there.
@@AC7020smokeshow Thanks for watching.
Why do you sell it by the bale and not the ton
@@scottberger4196 All three auctions we haul to sell by bale not ton. Off the farm we sell by the bale as you make more money per ton selling smaller bales by bale instead of bigger bales by ton.
@@e.a.bfarms we sell most of ours my the ton here in pa I can't believe how cheap your guys hay is I'm selling anywhere from 75 to 125 a bale it's equals out to
@scottberger4196 Yeah, That's normal pricing for us, this year the bottom fell out.
Dairy quality hay in central wi is still pretty decent price. The big squares usually do better than rounds here too. I havent been charged a buyers fee for hay or cattle yet. Sellers pay a 10% fee plus a $1 handling fee for unloading. I understand the frustration of hay prices, but being as I buy all my hay I am enjoying the hay prices this year.
Commissions make a huge difference. Seems kind of shady making a change without telling a regular consignor, like yourself.
@joshhorvat8247 Yeah, The hay market is what it is, just can't believe they'd make a change with out notice. Wonder how many people even noticed the change?
Hopefully with these new changes with presidents can get some of these prices fixed, I plan on buying out a farmer beginning of 26 and I’m not feeling so optimistic about it with prices at the moment. Love the videos keep doing what you’re doing.
Thanks for watching! Keep us updated on the farm purchase! 👍
Farmers are the first one to get a check nd the first one to get screwed
@mdsloads Everyone has to take thier cut. . . .
Not a lot of money in selling hay when you pencil it all out and then if you get a sale barn involved it’s even worse…. Get more cattle and feed it if that’s an option, just my opinion.. like the videos
@timflick2147 Horse hay customers built this operation. It wouldn't be where we are today without producing hay. Sale barn is an outlet for hay we can't put our name on for retail sales. More cattle is always the goal but takes time.
The next best thing? The only thing is grass fed! 😂
Too much hay produced in Alberta, Canada, so prices real low. The hay business has always been a fickle market. Guy need to diversify and plow up half their hayland; produce other crops.
Hay business is good around here with the horses, it's the cattle market that is hit or miss. You guys get much horse hay demand up there?
just sold 18 bales for $16 a bale at the hay sale
@scottdougherty4251 Where at? You local to us?
@e.a.bfarms waukon Iowa
@e.a.bfarms where are you?
@@scottdougherty4251 Ogilvie Mn.
@@e.a.bfarms i think my answer to you got deleted. waukon Iowa
Sounds like a business kicking a farmer when he’s down. I’d find a business that treats you with respect. Angry farmers have a long memory and when the cycle shifts they will miss you.
@@Rollinghillsfarmsmn Thanks for watching Dave! How are things going up there?
@ Cold! Time for working in the heated shop.
Good time to be buying hay. Cheaper than making it.
@wallyyuriy8912 Exactly! If I needed to buy hay, I'd be buying a few years' worth.
Where do live
@@troyremmers6223 East Central Mn, Ogilvie.
You're taking a beating on the hay. That flat fee is ridiculous. Those prices are terrible. I know you have good hay. Not much good hay around here but still the market is flooded. There's a lot of bales that should have moved around here that didn't.
@farawayfarm2520 There's no hay sales up that way is there? Every once in awhile I get calls from up that way!
@e.a.bfarms There are no sale barns at all. Mora is probably the closest to us. Just private sales around here.
@@farawayfarm2520 Isn't there a big one in superior?
Northwest Wi. here and the hay market is not good either. Just a lot of hay to go around here. Same here we get more out of her that leaves the farm that has a destination then auction barn. At least around here the commission started the same! That's the bad thing of these types of years you have to sell three times the amount of hay to keep a steady book!
Just out of curiosity, what barns up there do hay sales? Get much volume going through?
@e.a.bfarms yes lots of hay at the sale barns, they are swamped! I haven't taken any their yet because of it, just been seeing if the farm. Prices range from 18 to 90 a round bale and 20 to 200 for squares, just depends on what it is and quality and who is their! Just sad to see the hay price so low but that's the way it goes, always figure out of 10 years 3 will be vary good.
@e.a.bfarms premier livestock, Olberholtzer livestock, I believe Barron equity sells hay also
@@bryanG4020Gottcha, I was thinking you were up towards dulth/superior. .
@e.a.bfarms nope, northwestern!
Yeah but that’s over $3,000/year. That’s not chump change. Market place and Craig’s list may be an option but I am sure you’re already doing that. Wish I was closer I would be a buyer of your product.
Thanks for watching! Craigslist is kind of a lost cause these days. We move most of our volume on marketplace. . .
you know what i would do? i would quit selling hay and raise more corn and soybeans
@markmorrison3885 i wish. . .can't compete with the big guys. . . .Row crops are a losing battle for the small guys!
Mora?
@@erictschumper5486 Correct. . .
Morris Besser is rolling over in his grave if that's the way the new owners want to conduct business. Patti is still there after Brent sold, right?
@barrychouinard4019 I believe she's completely out of it as well now. It definitely isn't the same anymore, that's for sure. . .
Quite your bitching when the prices were high you were raking in the money now the prices are low all you do is complain
@richardpeter1935 Prices were high when we were in a drought and had 1/3 the hay to sell. . .i dont consider making one video about the hay market is really complaining all the time. . .But thanks for the add revenue.
Looks like you need more direct buyers
@kennysmith1840 Pretty tight on quality hay customers, Plan on seeding down another couple hundred acres next year, then we will be able to pick a few more horse farms up. Need more cows to feed the mediocre hay instead of running it through auctions.
Dam FL 22,50 just for custom bailing 4×5 rolls
@kennysmith1840 Hay markets flooded up here. . .
@@kennysmith1840 that is way too high for bailing such small bales. I am paying 15 for 5 by 6. And nothing added in. But this year I put all corn.