As a quick note, most of this video was made on Zuikaku's log. So some terms are ripped directly from it like the "A6M fighter-bomber" and the "Grumman dive bomber." Historically, these are crude or incorrect as Grumman didn't service a dive bomber, rather the torpedo bomber 'Avenger.' I think it's interesting to share points like that, so I included them.
A note on the fighter-bomber variant of the Reisen and adding to what you said. These were newly-built Model 21s, for the most part. I don't think it was an official designation, but they were commonly referred to as "bakusen", a contraction of the Japanese words for "fighter-bomber". Excellent recap as always, Crosser. Cheers.
@@The_Modeling_Underdog Japanese kamikaze pilot candidate Yuasa Kuwahara, in his « Kamikaze » written with Gordon Allred, always referred to American fighters as « Grumman »
@@The_Modeling_Underdog It’s one of the earliest personal accounts in book form of the Kamikaze. The US Naval Institute Proceedings in the early 50s published « The Divine Wind » a broader history by 2 Japanese Admirals. I read an extract in the « Reader’s Digest » You are welcome.
Thanks! As a Filipino, the way you pronounced the name "Engaño" was something to be appreciated! For me, the Shokakus were an interesting carrier class. The way they look is quite awesome.
"Engaño" means "deceit", and that's one aspect of the sinking which has been left aside: Admiral Ozawa's mission was to lure the main American carrier force away from the Leyte gulf, thus leaving the invading force unprotected against Admiral Kurita's battle vessels.
As Zuikaku was going down. One of Enterprise’s VT-20 Avengers slowed down to stall speed and the pilot “rendered final honours.” Zuikaku’s crew didn’t take it well.
Filthy fighters! Read Knights of Buchido by Sir Edward Russell if you’re interested in reading quite how demonic these people were during those times. 👍📚🇬🇧
@@j3lny425in Enterprise’s case. It would be personal. As the two had clashed several times at this point. Honestly, Cape Engano should’ve been a one vs one between Zuikaku and Enterprise.
Thank you for sharing the details, Crosser, I appreciate them. Such a contrast to the relative fragility demonstrated by the Japanese carriers at Midway! Though she was part of a misguided enterprise of a doomed power I still respect _Zuikaku_ as a warship.
Yamato was NEVER going to succeed at Samar, BECAUSE THE JAPANESE WERE FIVE DAYS TOO LATE. The entire idea that the Japanese were cowards who threw away a golden opportunity ignores this rather important detail.
Great story just what we needed to see ! Even better are the photos taken by the Japanese themselves . The Last Banzai and the sailors standing on the edge of the ship as it is about to roll over ! It appears that they have a human chain going on during the abandon ship . I wonder how many of the lost were drowned when the ship rolled over on them and how many were sucked down by the ship as it sank ? I hope that these precious pictures will be shown again , cleaned up and with a little help blown up a bit more ! The effort the Japanese did to get this ship repaired and improving is amazing as was their fighting spirit on this ship ! Fighting to the last man is claimed by many however the Japanese actually do it !Both the commentary and the incredible pictures bear that out ! May all of these sailors RIP
I would love to build either one of the Shokaku class carriers in 1/350. I still hope trumpeter releases them in 1/200, that would be a must buy. Thank you, take care as well.
However many carriers the IJN had left even before Leyte, they were almost devoid of experienced pilots or modern planes, & most usefoul only as decoys for hotheads like Halsey who almost handed the Japanese their biggest victory at Leyte, by his obsession with Japanese carriers at that late date, while the IJN had reversed to battleships & hybrids as their main strike force. It would in retrospect look like a major factor in the Midway Victory that Halsey wasn’t in command(blessed skin 🦠 ) but the cold headed ‘Black Shoes Admiral’ Spruance who knew next to nothing on naval air, & let the carriers airmen do their jobs unhindered. Halsey in command would have pursued the IJN battleships in the night & snatched Defeat from the jaws of Victory. Which Admiral Spruance didn’t do. Halsey could be likened to a Rommel of the seas : victories VS Victory.
What I said about Shokaku in her "Sinking Shokaku" video remains true with her sister. What I do find interesting is how they approached the vulnerabilty of her forward avgas tanks. A pair of buldges filled with what was it iron concrete? Filled with some material. It would be nice if they both got a proper torpedo defense system that was to what the live tests said. (Developing shokaku)
I also find it interesting that, at Shinano's death-rattle, Toyko was 'seeing sub wolf-packs' everywhere, and they didn't understand the Americans simply didn't have that many subs to cover all areas of THEIR interest. And that communications were so limited that wolf-packs weren't so useful, even in the Inland Sea. Whew! But the Japanese deployed ships in larger quantities to fend off that 1 sub instead of providing escorts for many more. I'm hoping we see a discussion about American subs 'giving up' and battling Japanese destroyers head-on. It's almost impossible to discover many of those because the sub 'lost' and went down with no records, and Japanese records were poorly done or destroyed often.
Was this at the exact time of Taffy 3? I seem to remember Admiral Halsey leading his own task force to go after the last aircraft carrier which was at Pearl Harbor.
Honest question: When a ship has a fair amount of time, how do 842 people still go down with the ship? Are these the sailors that are already dead from the attack, fires, explosions and such?
Most every historian cites questionable sources because (1) post-war interviews were discouraged - by the sailors themselves - "Shhh, don't tell the Americans anything-!", and (2) by law, Japan's 'sealed lips' laws during war-time were ruggedly enforced their secret police. After Midway survivors were brought back to the home islands, most were sent to farflung bases to prevent chatter and comparative tales. PLUS a survivor of a battle - especially in that first year or so - were shamed by their culture, their peers and even family for talking about surviving. "You must have been a weak coward to not go down with your ship!" was one attitude. That's easy to say - weeks, months, years afterwards, of course. I have believed that no historian was ever able to collect even a hundred 'veterans' of any event together, so we never read a 'fair and balanced' account of any single event. But we're left with whatever we have... my answer: Just read more and more.
That is correct. Total number of officers and crew minus the number rescued or recovered equals down with the ship. Recovered bodies would be listed as kia while down with the ship is usually missing presumed dead.
@@centralcrossing4732 those are Model 21 A6M with 250 kg bombs to replace D3A i found out about it in 宮間めさの『テイコク立体』 channel i think you should check out her videos are detail about all IJN ships including ZUikaku and her final battle short animation . sorry for my bad english by the way.
Ummmmm........Grumman dive bombers? Not quite. Maybe Avengers doing level or glide bombing. Or Hellcats with 500 lb bombs. Grumman did not make dive bombers. Most likely they were Curtis SB2C dive bombers. There were still some Dauntless still flying from light carriers.
I believe they were avengers, mainly because Zuikaku's log then reported the torpedoes. I thought it was interesting that the Japanese referred to them as Grumman dive bombers though.
@@centralcrossing4732 I can see that. Anything dark blue that blows up their ships is a Grumman! Kinda like early in the war, anything that had meatballs and shot down our guys was a Zero........ Thanks for the response. ;)
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As a quick note, most of this video was made on Zuikaku's log. So some terms are ripped directly from it like the "A6M fighter-bomber" and the "Grumman dive bomber." Historically, these are crude or incorrect as Grumman didn't service a dive bomber, rather the torpedo bomber 'Avenger.' I think it's interesting to share points like that, so I included them.
A note on the fighter-bomber variant of the Reisen and adding to what you said. These were newly-built Model 21s, for the most part. I don't think it was an official designation, but they were commonly referred to as "bakusen", a contraction of the Japanese words for "fighter-bomber".
Excellent recap as always, Crosser.
Cheers.
@@The_Modeling_Underdog
Japanese kamikaze pilot candidate Yuasa Kuwahara, in his « Kamikaze » written with
Gordon Allred, always referred to American fighters as « Grumman »
@@minhthunguyendang9900 Haven't read the book yet, but misidentification was very common in the Pacific. Thanks for sharing.
@@The_Modeling_Underdog
It’s one of the earliest personal accounts in book form of the Kamikaze.
The US Naval Institute Proceedings in the early 50s published « The Divine Wind »
a broader history by 2 Japanese Admirals.
I read an extract in the « Reader’s Digest »
You are welcome.
Those are some amazing photos of the ship being abandoned.
Thanks for posting!
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ for the "Raw" photos they are not often seen, I'm liking this channel so far.
Thanks! As a Filipino, the way you pronounced the name "Engaño" was something to be appreciated!
For me, the Shokakus were an interesting carrier class. The way they look is quite awesome.
"Engaño" means "deceit",
and that's one aspect of the sinking which has been left aside:
Admiral Ozawa's mission was to lure the main American carrier force away from the Leyte gulf, thus leaving the invading force unprotected against Admiral Kurita's battle vessels.
As Zuikaku was going down. One of Enterprise’s VT-20 Avengers slowed down to stall speed and the pilot “rendered final honours.” Zuikaku’s crew didn’t take it well.
"rendered final honours"
what were those?
@@KevinBreak gave them the finger
'Final honors' or 'pay back for Pearl Harbor'
Filthy fighters! Read Knights of Buchido by Sir Edward Russell if you’re interested in reading quite how demonic these people were during those times. 👍📚🇬🇧
@@j3lny425in Enterprise’s case. It would be personal. As the two had clashed several times at this point. Honestly, Cape Engano should’ve been a one vs one between Zuikaku and Enterprise.
Thank you for sharing the details, Crosser, I appreciate them. Such a contrast to the relative fragility demonstrated by the Japanese carriers at Midway!
Though she was part of a misguided enterprise of a doomed power I still respect _Zuikaku_ as a warship.
One of the two fastest aircraft carrier in ww2. It can go as fast as 34.5 knots.
Unlike the Yamato, the Zuikaku succeeded in her mission.
Yamato was NEVER going to succeed at Samar, BECAUSE THE JAPANESE WERE FIVE DAYS TOO LATE. The entire idea that the Japanese were cowards who threw away a golden opportunity ignores this rather important detail.
@@bkjeong4302 he was talking about Operation Ten-go where she was sunk
Great story just what we needed to see !
Even better are the photos taken by the Japanese themselves . The Last Banzai and the sailors standing on the edge of the ship as it is about to roll over ! It appears that they have a human chain going on during the abandon ship . I wonder how many of the lost were drowned when the ship rolled over on them and how many were sucked down by the ship as it sank ?
I hope that these precious pictures will be shown again , cleaned up and with a little help blown up a bit more !
The effort the Japanese did to get this ship repaired and improving is amazing as was their fighting spirit on this ship ! Fighting to the last man is claimed by many however the Japanese actually do it !Both the commentary and the incredible pictures bear that out !
May all of these sailors RIP
What an excellent presantion Sir! i look forward to viewing much more of your word!
Great compilation of photos.
That's the bastard that sank my grandpa's destroyer USS Meredith(DD-434)! I mentioned IJN Zuikaku when I wrote his obituary.
Great video. Thanks!
Will you ever build Zuikaku, I assume it would have to be a 1/350 scale.
For all lives lost, rest in peace.
Take care, and all the best.
I would love to build either one of the Shokaku class carriers in 1/350. I still hope trumpeter releases them in 1/200, that would be a must buy.
Thank you, take care as well.
@@centralcrossing4732 if you end building a shokaku class carrier, remember the golden rule. You gave to have both!
A most interesting story and narrative. Thank you. After this, I wonder how many carriers the IJN had left?
However many carriers the IJN had left even before Leyte, they were almost devoid of experienced pilots or modern
planes, & most usefoul only as decoys for hotheads like Halsey
who almost handed the Japanese their biggest victory at Leyte, by his obsession with
Japanese carriers at that late date, while the IJN had reversed to battleships & hybrids as their main strike force.
It would in retrospect look like a major factor in the Midway Victory that Halsey wasn’t in command(blessed skin 🦠 )
but the cold headed ‘Black Shoes Admiral’ Spruance who
knew next to nothing on naval air, & let the carriers airmen do their jobs unhindered.
Halsey in command would have pursued the IJN battleships in the night & snatched Defeat from the jaws of Victory.
Which Admiral Spruance didn’t do.
Halsey could be likened
to a Rommel of the seas :
victories VS Victory.
Were those all photos of the Zuikaku in the video? There are quite a few that I have never seen before
Yes, they are all Zuikaku.
Muy buen documental. Enhorabuena desde España
Japan's luckiest carrier
What I said about Shokaku in her "Sinking Shokaku" video remains true with her sister.
What I do find interesting is how they approached the vulnerabilty of her forward avgas tanks. A pair of buldges filled with what was it iron concrete? Filled with some material. It would be nice if they both got a proper torpedo defense system that was to what the live tests said. (Developing shokaku)
I also find it interesting that, at Shinano's death-rattle, Toyko was 'seeing sub wolf-packs' everywhere, and they didn't understand the Americans simply didn't have that many subs to cover all areas of THEIR interest. And that communications were so limited that wolf-packs weren't so useful, even in the Inland Sea. Whew! But the Japanese deployed ships in larger quantities to fend off that 1 sub instead of providing escorts for many more. I'm hoping we see a discussion about American subs 'giving up' and battling Japanese destroyers head-on. It's almost impossible to discover many of those because the sub 'lost' and went down with no records, and Japanese records were poorly done or destroyed often.
Didn’t USN say overloaded Essex with huge AA increases would have been in trouble with a torpedo hit? Thanks for posting about IJN
Yep. Ironically the older Saratoga and Enterprise had been fitted with blisters by this point. So they would’ve been able to maintain stability.
Was this at the exact time of Taffy 3? I seem to remember Admiral Halsey leading his own task force to go after the last aircraft carrier which was at Pearl Harbor.
First- class video. You're batting 1000.
Honest question: When a ship has a fair amount of time, how do 842 people still go down with the ship? Are these the sailors that are already dead from the attack, fires, explosions and such?
Most every historian cites questionable sources because (1) post-war interviews were discouraged - by the sailors themselves - "Shhh, don't tell the Americans anything-!", and (2) by law, Japan's 'sealed lips' laws during war-time were ruggedly enforced their secret police. After Midway survivors were brought back to the home islands, most were sent to farflung bases to prevent chatter and comparative tales. PLUS a survivor of a battle - especially in that first year or so - were shamed by their culture, their peers and even family for talking about surviving. "You must have been a weak coward to not go down with your ship!" was one attitude. That's easy to say - weeks, months, years afterwards, of course. I have believed that no historian was ever able to collect even a hundred 'veterans' of any event together, so we never read a 'fair and balanced' account of any single event. But we're left with whatever we have... my answer: Just read more and more.
That is correct. Total number of officers and crew minus the number rescued or recovered equals down with the ship. Recovered bodies would be listed as kia while down with the ship is usually missing presumed dead.
@@mikelavallee2497 That helps me a lot. Thank you.
GREAT HISTORY , BRAVE MEN ALL .
3:08 A6M2 fighter-bombers?
A6M2 Sen Baku? 250 kg bomb mounted centerline, pair of 150 L drop tanks slung under the wings?
Zuikaku's log calls them "fighter bombers." It's just a zero modified to carry a bomb.
@@centralcrossing4732 those are Model 21 A6M with 250 kg bombs to replace D3A i found out about it in
宮間めさの『テイコク立体』 channel i think you should check out her videos are detail about all IJN ships including ZUikaku and her final battle short animation . sorry for my bad english by the way.
6,000 M oh that's easy to calculate into miles
Ummmmm........Grumman dive bombers? Not quite. Maybe Avengers doing level or glide bombing. Or Hellcats with 500 lb bombs. Grumman did not make dive bombers. Most likely they were Curtis SB2C dive bombers. There were still some Dauntless still flying from light carriers.
I believe they were avengers, mainly because Zuikaku's log then reported the torpedoes. I thought it was interesting that the Japanese referred to them as Grumman dive bombers though.
@@centralcrossing4732 I can see that. Anything dark blue that blows up their ships is a Grumman! Kinda like early in the war, anything that had meatballs and shot down our guys was a Zero........ Thanks for the response. ;)
120 planes? They attacked in small groups rather than one big coordinated strike?
why not? even Yamato was gang by 300
@@kaiten- no i mean the attack arrived piecemeal
@@JokeFranic yes tho she was attack by 280 aircraft in first wave
@@kaiten- did you watch the video?
@@JokeFranic yes lmao im talking about Yamato not Zuikaku first wave attack
Excellent Vid!
scratch one squint eye