Now you know why we went with this one. Its perfect for us. Pulls like a dream. This is not a half-ton unit. On the bed, you can not tell the crease is there when you sleep - its toward the feet and it works well. Hmmm.. what else.... I actually took that low-flow cooktop off the outside kitchen door (more or less worthless) - I use the Coleman Fyre Sargent (which will basically melt iron). And I will probably be removing the outside refrigerator also and either use the space for storage OR put an ice maker there. Last thing - relates to the recliners. When the whole family comes, we leave those at home. They take up a lot of space and we just bring a few of the Sam's club black folding chairs instead and the space savings are pretty legit. Another super handy thing we use is one of the folding camp loveseats along the wall with the camp-side window. The space is so flex without the chairs. When its just me, I take one of the recliners because they are pretty nice. Solar works well and that three-season door was the main selling point for me. Anyway, super excited you finally showed it! This is my baby and our family absolutely loves it!
You don't bonk into the corner shelves but they are not very deep and lack a plug. Water bottles don't fit. Kind of a waste actually. But one of the few wastes on this RV.
I just sold the 25G to a new to RVing family. It the first of this floorplan I have sold and it is just a awesome layout. The husband was 6'7" and he fit in that shower. For a relatively small TH it just works.
Josh appreciate the new content as always. Am leaving for Texas tomorrow to get a new to me Titan XD so hopefully this trailer or one like it is in my driveway soon. OK gotta ask. You're in Michigan. Ice fishing is a thing up there as it is in many places. Why haven't you covered many (if any?) fish houses or ice house campers? Do you sell them and if so can you show us a few?
I am not sure any of our stores actually carry them. It's a tiny market some MFGs build just to keep a little busier thru the winter. I can't cover everything and try to focus upon what you'd find most commonly among our locations
no lie about Kalispell, MT. After seeing a few of your videos I checked housing prices out there... holy moly, we'll have to drop in to visit in an RV park, these homes be expensive!
It's not so much about panels as wattage. And talking solar really requires talking batteries. The one is worthless without the other. It depends on what you're trying to do with it
I want one! Forget being a toy hauler, it's a travel trailer with a party deck! I'd probably remove the rear lift system and build a desk on one side and mount a large TV on the opposite wall that could swing to face the front or extend out to the deck. ...though I want a lot of things I'll likely never have.
This is so perfect...except for the TV placement. UGH!! I think I would just yank that TV off the wall and just put it on that dining table or something. LOL
Josh, my wife and I are looking at getting into RVing in about 12-18 months. We have 4 small children (1 boy & 3 girls). We’re looking for something 3/4 ton towable with opposing bunks for the kids. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from 1 Josh to another.
Josh as and you shall receive. Yeah the outside storage definitely for a giraffe 🦒 . Nice lighting in the bedroom & the head knocker shelf's have to go. I don't think it's a good design for a toy hauler with the kitchen slide being in the back . Why don't we just go out to that store & just camp there in that field for FREE I mean theri set up & doesn't look like anyone's there . 😂 bring the hot dog roller machine. 🙋💣🪠🚽💥💥💥💥
In theory any GD selling dealership could get them from the factory. Jayco does some similar things. Forest river as well. I'm not sure what technical name they'd be known by though
I'd like to see a camper made with a rear kitchen with a door on one side of the back to access a drop down patio. Basically a rear patio without it being a toy hauler.
That’s awesome! I need to buy a bigger vehicle to haul this! I like it! The bathroom shower wall needs to go up higher for the tall folks. The bed situation would be difficult with a cpap.
Do they have any normal travel trailers that have a foldable deck? I don’t want to haul anything but I like the idea of a deck. I just don’t like the furniture (reminds me of furniture on boats) and layouts of most toy haulers
There's not really a LOT of that BUT... the FSX division of forest river just made their new V-series trailers that provide a patio without being full on toy hauler
Hot dang!! That’s a cool rig. I wish jayco would hop back on the bumper pull toy hauler bandwagon. I’ve got a octane 272 that is definitely the most funky floor plan ever. It’s the one with single bunks directly next to the fridge. Ya. Weird. But it works. I’m a diehard jayco fan and haven’t really been impressed with grand design but this one is definitely intriguing. Love the patio doors!
Two things: 1) If I'm seeing this correctly, it looks like this is equipped with manual stabilizers, with a 13K capacity this should have in the least electronic stabilizers, maybe even an automatic leveling system. 2) Looking at the going price of these, you would think they would include some type of Solid Step instead of the fold outs
Lot of people don’t realize power stabs are often rated for less weight vs manuals. Neither is intended to shift the level plane of the ev That’s the big difference between stabilizers and levelers
n addition to the stabilizer,you have to remember that toy haulers are not always parked on flat level surfaces where the fold out steps need to land. This makes the folding steps a better option in my opinion.@@JoshtheRVNerd
When we bought our GD 22MLE I shopped within about a 200 mile radius. My experience was there wasn't a big difference between the lowest price quotes I received. I suspect most of the difference I saw was the delivery fee as the low price dealers that were a bit higher were also further from Elkhart. Assuming similar low quotes my experience leads me to believe that the biggest savings of buying closer to Elkhart would be from delivery fees not so much the base trailer price. If that is enough for you to make a trip I can't say. Keep in mind RV dealers, even the big chains, are an independent lot and won't always do warranty work on trailers they did not sell. Depending upon the brand this means you might be forced to take the trailer back to where you bought it if you need warranty work. I have not had to test it but other Grand Design owners report that GD is good about letting customers use mobile technicians for warranty work with the caveat that the owner pays the travel fee. With our previous Winnebago and Palomino trailers we did not have this option nor the best dealerships. In our case we did not purchase from the local GD dealer (same one we bought our Winnebago from) they did not quote a very good price nor were we happy with their service department. They would take months to get warranty work handled and just as frequently mishandled what needed to be repaired. The dealer we bought from was not the lowest quote and is about 2 hours away but has a good service reputation. They have upheld that reputation by handling our only trip down for warranty repairs and turning them around in about 2 weeks. So another thing to consider is the if there is a quality dealer in your area it might be worth a higher price, within reason, to purchase locally.
@@oldengineer1519 thanks for the input. I guess I really should just buy local to me. Walked through a few last weekend and they were literally falling apart and had missing hardware all over the rv so it makes sense I should stay close to a repair hub.
I like my 2023 25G but... it came with some defects from the factory. The biggest ones were the water leaks that ruined 2 of my vacations! One being out in the desert for 10 days without water... Took it back to the dealer (Lazydays RV) which they said they fixed a couple of loose hot water line fittings. However the next trip out the hot water tank area had a slow leak and another camping trip without water, its back at LazyDays RV... The other things were, missing molding strips, draft brushes missing from the 3 season doors, bent lift power bed bar, FOD under the super flex rubber roof, which had to be covered with sealant... It is a comfortable TH. The reclining chairs are nice but do take up valuable garage space when in load mode. The ramp door is very heavy to open and close, I did hear that GD sells a cable assist box you can install on the ramp door. The folding bed is no big deal and is somewhat comfortable, add a foamy and you're good to go. The little corner shelves in the bed area are no problem for us. Small wardrobe closet is no problem, we make it work. Agree about the outdoor kitchen probable remove the stove and reffer and replace with ice maker and a portable camp stove of better quality. The higher storage cabinets are inconvenient but a small foldable step stool works and the extra headroom is worth it! Great rig for boondocking when you don't have water leaks! 🙂
Seems like a super great camping trailer 👌 as they did think of tall guys 6'4 plus the glass patio door. It is nice to bring some Ikea folding patio chairs & table could stay on the balcony setup well at camp
@@JoshtheRVNerd Had a feeling this one was coming. It's just a 190RT with two feet chopped off the end and an unwanted frame lift. Same weight oddly enough. If the 190RT was just a little... higher quality. Somewhere between the ATC 2015 and the Wildwood. A fuel tank would be nice too.
Nice, but buyers beware!! The Lippert Schwintek Slide System sucks!! Grand Design only gives you a one year warranty on them for a reason. After 1 year and 5 months ours is already giving us major issues. GD's response - sorry, only a one year warranty....
I had been wondering if the bed on this model was a 'bendy' bed and my question was answered in the first two minutes! Sadly a large majority of toy hauler travel trailers have this type of bed which immediately takes them off my 'maybe' list. A few extra inches in length would have put it to the top of my list.
Great review and walk through Josh! I have a 2022 Momentum 25G that we have owned for approximately 2 years. I have made several improvements and added a few extras to make it our own trailer. First of all, we really do like this travel trailer. We have had several warranty items addressed, and some not addressed due to frustrations from wrestling with the dealer that is supposed to fix them. Overall, I think our major warranty items have been resolved and I'm tired of driving 60 miles one way to leave our trailer and still not get it repaired in a timely manner. I'll take care of them myself - it's a lot less stressful. I'll keep this commentary on the positive side for now since we really do like this trailer and not make it about poor service departments and lack of QA/QC. I think we've had less warranty issues than some of the horror stories I've read about. Regardless, for us it's the right size unit and serves us well. It is our 4th travel trailer in 16 years, and second toy hauler, we actually downsized to this one, so... not our first rodeo. Improvements and Additions I've made and recommend for the Momentum G-class trailers. 1. Replaced the shower curtain with a Stoett roll up shower door. Much better! shop.stoett.com/product/nautilus-shower-door/ 2. Installed Lippert 236558 RV Double Box Under Chassis Storage Unit Black for chocks, blocks, hoses, etc. Expensive, had to modify the unit to fit, but nice to have. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JMHGV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 3. Added a separate dining table to set up when needed and capped the holes for the one that came with the RV. I see the newer version already included this upgrade. 4. Added overhead LED lights under the bunk that goes up and down. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081M8KL38/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 5. Added dimmer switches in the bedroom to operate the lights over the bed so you can dim switch them on/off while in bed. They were too high overhead for my wife to reach. www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q4FC9CM/?coliid=I1WX42K73VCYL1&colid=1YZEAJKBAINP5&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it 6. Added small electric fireplace, built a small frame for it. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095WR6GXP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 7. Roadmaster Comfort Ride Leaf Spring Suspension Kit w/ Shock Absorbers - Tandem 5K Trailer Axles. www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Leaf-Spring-Suspension/Roadmaster/RM-2460-2560.html Much improved ride. 8. Victory Step Manual Fold-Down Steps for RV and Toy Hauler Patios - 4 Steps. Easy in/out for the dogs and people too. www.etrailer.com/RV-and-Camper-Steps/Lippert/LC726895.html 9. Outside RV TV Mount, attached with 3M heavy Duty double sided tape (after 7 months, still holding) htps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089BWXRGJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 10. Relocated and installed my Hensley Arrow Hitch. This is the third RV we've used it on. hensleymfg.com/products/hensley-arrow-anti-sway-trailer-hitch 11. BUNKER HILL SECURITY 115 Lumen Wall Mount Solar Security Lights, Black solar lights, one on each side, works great, motion sensor and on/off switch. Harbor Freight, mounted with 3M double sided tape. www.harborfreight.com/115-lumen-wall-mount-solar-security-light-black-56252.html?_br_psugg_q=solar+lights We've made other improvements like TV in the bedroom that we set up and store when traveling, plus some storage bins in the cabinets for organizing, rug for the main living area, etc. I hope this helps anyone that has one of these trailers or is considering one. This particular trailer has the best kitchen layout and size in my opinion. Happy camping and be safe. Don in Florida
I'd put all mt fishing poles ans tackle box, net, fish carry box. To me its perfect so I don't have to break down my poles. I think I'd opt to put a regular home recliner with massage and heat in there, I'd keep the little chairs for company to sit in while visiting. This one pretty much checks all the boxes nice, thanks Josh.
Nice toy hauler. That backlit mirror is snazzy. The hitch weight is the death knell for towing this with a half ton. We recently replaced our half ton with one that has a max tow package that has a 1400/14000 lb rated hitch. By the time you load this up the hitch weight would exceed that. When we were looking most standard tow package hitches were in the 1100/11000 lb to 1250/12500 lb range so would not even handle the dry weight.
hitch weight usually is the breaking point Saw Car & Driver blasting an article on facebook talking about how towing capacity is all that matters. People get killed because of stupid stuff like that. Glad it helps them sell magazines
Nice! I like the flexibility of toy haulers. Thanks for showing where the chairs can fit during road mode. I was wondering how much they would interfere with cargo. Nice they put the 3 season door in! And the awning over the patio! I think they should be standard on every one. I can't imagine how hot the black base of that patio would get. About those shelves at the head of the bed. I theory it would be a good place to park the phone, but I'm not sure they are big enough for even that, and unless you want a cord dangling and a phone landing on your head. They sure won't hold a book.
Two things I would do. 1. That hanging closet in the bedroom. Make it taller to use the full space. 2. The bed is not CPAP friendly. I would take the second level corner shelves and run a deeper shelf all the way across. CPAP should be fine there but power may be an issue if outlets are on the bed support. Blocking a bit of the window is fine.
I like to look at RV'S to get an idea for a couple's model in 7 years or so. I never really looked at toy haulers. I like a lot of things about this. My biggest concern is the amount of outside storage. I'd like more than just that small vertical space.
Oh yeah, I noticed that some Bish's locations carry OBi Dwellers, Conqueror UEVs, and TAXA Mantis models. Those would all be great to see tours of. It's too bad the only TAXA model carried is the Mantis, as I think the Cricket would also be a good seller and tour video too. Thanks, as always, for everything Uncle Josh!
I like the patio options toy haulers provide. We travel with our dogs and that back area has always looked very convenient and inviting. And toy haulers usually offer lots of space and storage in the kitchen/living area. But as a rule the furnishings are sparse and don’t look very comfortable. The bed being a foldable mattress isn’t ideal and that slide is definitely too deep for me. The cabinets and shelves are out of reach without climbing on the bed. The amenities are nice, but we’re not in need of an outside kitchen so that’s a feature we’d be paying for but wouldn’t use.
I think if they could take this floor plan and make the garage area a private bedroom would be great. This would give 2 single adults their own space. In just over a 30ft length. Really injoy your videos. Try and think about coming to the Tampa to the RV show in January you'd still would be a big hit just representing yourself.
They don't make them anymore, but you can see YT videos for them... check out the Momentum 29GO, it has a living room instead of a garage with a full queen bed on a lift. On the front of the trailer past the kitchen and bathroom it has a sort of bunkroom. I loved the idea. The first search result on YT (from Big Truck Big RV) is the right model, the video from Matt's RV Reviews has the right name, but it's not the right model somehow (edit: I just looked, it's because Matt reviewed the 29G, not the 29GO and consistently mislabeled it as the 29GO in the title and description).
This model is very intriguing. I like the size and it can haul, but be very comfortable when your set up. Would have liked to see the ramp in load mode and how it works
Great video, as always. That whole line seems well thought out, and better than average quality. It has enough solar that the 12v fridge would likely be fine. Propane wise upgrading to 7 gal would be easy and inexpensive. For a while there some brands had 3x5 gal- people could use the quick exchange, and people with limited strength weren’t trying to handle full 7 gallon bottles. That adjustable table with the dove tail- brilliant. Things that would concern me (if I was looking in that type) Schwintek system on a large, heavy slide, and the aqua panel system. For people who boondock for extended time, it isn’t uncommon to fill a couple 6 gal water jugs whenever you go to town, or in Arizona the tap water is so mineralized people get drinkable water from coin operated kiosks. I’d have to make some modifications to be able to get fresh water in where it isn’t coming from a pressurized garden hose.
The King Ranch says it can tow it on paper but I wouldn't. On another note I wish I was younger and could ride dirt bikes because this is perfection 💯 Hat's off to the team and thanks Josh 🍻
So what has to do with pivot with explanation for selling RV ? Smart human mouth Microsoft beings and abilities that the very first face to face impression, definitely not going to buy a trick of Microsoft trying to sell RV.. :)
I think I just found my next camper!!
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Now you know why we went with this one. Its perfect for us. Pulls like a dream. This is not a half-ton unit. On the bed, you can not tell the crease is there when you sleep - its toward the feet and it works well. Hmmm.. what else.... I actually took that low-flow cooktop off the outside kitchen door (more or less worthless) - I use the Coleman Fyre Sargent (which will basically melt iron). And I will probably be removing the outside refrigerator also and either use the space for storage OR put an ice maker there. Last thing - relates to the recliners. When the whole family comes, we leave those at home. They take up a lot of space and we just bring a few of the Sam's club black folding chairs instead and the space savings are pretty legit. Another super handy thing we use is one of the folding camp loveseats along the wall with the camp-side window. The space is so flex without the chairs. When its just me, I take one of the recliners because they are pretty nice. Solar works well and that three-season door was the main selling point for me. Anyway, super excited you finally showed it! This is my baby and our family absolutely loves it!
You don't bonk into the corner shelves but they are not very deep and lack a plug. Water bottles don't fit. Kind of a waste actually. But one of the few wastes on this RV.
Great input Carl.
Ty so much for this!!
Yeah that three season door really grabbed my attention
I heard the angels too 👼!!!!!! Great trailer! Thank you 🙏 Josh
I just sold the 25G to a new to RVing family. It the first of this floorplan I have sold and it is just a awesome layout. The husband was 6'7" and he fit in that shower. For a relatively small TH it just works.
Very nice. Hope you have a great season
nice video and great RV
Thanks 👍
I love this unit. I wish the oven was bigger and delete the drawer below.
i could see that. TY
I like this. I could pull this with my 2500 gas. only problem momentum’s are a little pricey
The garage width will be the make or break for this unit for me- has to fit the wife’s SxS.
Local folks could certainly measure that out for you
Very cool, Josh! Hey...are you coming to the Hershey RV show? Tom
No sir.
I'm glad there were no metal legs for you to bust your shin on.
I have been to Kalispel
Was beautiful there
Can't argue with Big Sky Bish's!
Josh appreciate the new content as always. Am leaving for Texas tomorrow to get a new to me Titan XD so hopefully this trailer or one like it is in my driveway soon.
OK gotta ask. You're in Michigan. Ice fishing is a thing up there as it is in many places. Why haven't you covered many (if any?) fish houses or ice house campers? Do you sell them and if so can you show us a few?
I am not sure any of our stores actually carry them. It's a tiny market some MFGs build just to keep a little busier thru the winter. I can't cover everything and try to focus upon what you'd find most commonly among our locations
I agree Uncle Josh. I have never been in the market for a toy hauler but it i were, this would do it.
it really was striking
The TV needs to be across from the recliners not up high
Can you show more travel trailer bunkhouses with onboard generators
There's just not a lot of them. other than brands like Nash onboard gens in common bunkhouses almost don't exist
no lie about Kalispell, MT. After seeing a few of your videos I checked housing prices out there... holy moly, we'll have to drop in to visit in an RV park, these homes be expensive!
I was told I visited during the best time of year. There's about 3 months it's amazing. Then it can become a chore with major snowfalls
@@JoshtheRVNerd I bet!
Hey when you get a chance, will you do the new North Trail 27BHG?! Love to see your take on it.
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This thing is cute, the versatility/configuration options are terrific 👍
"Lipitor storage" haha 🤭✨💊🤣
Thanks Nerd!! Good info🎉
I think my 2018 crossroads sunset trail tt is one of the only tt's with auto level. Cant believe 60k toy haulers come with $4 scissor jacks😢
So how many more solar panels could be installed on top? Isn’t more better, especially for off grid?
It's not so much about panels as wattage. And talking solar really requires talking batteries. The one is worthless without the other. It depends on what you're trying to do with it
Yeah baby. I've been eye bawling this unit....This is absolutely my next travel trailer.
Great pick
This think is Perfect. The only downside is that it isnt half ton towable but I love it, F250 and lets Go!
Josh are you going to do a video on fiberglass campers the way there made are they 4 season built take care happy camping
Sorry could you clarify? Not sure what RVs you’re referencing
Do the 3 season doors lock? Or everytime you leave the trailer do you need to close the ramp up?
They have a latch inside
I want one! Forget being a toy hauler, it's a travel trailer with a party deck! I'd probably remove the rear lift system and build a desk on one side and mount a large TV on the opposite wall that could swing to face the front or extend out to the deck.
...though I want a lot of things I'll likely never have.
I'm super excited for folks like you to see the new FSX V-Series
party deck without being full on toy hauler
Thanks for the video Josh! Does this have an on demand hot water heater?
It does not. Gas/Elec model
This is so perfect...except for the TV placement. UGH!! I think I would just yank that TV off the wall and just put it on that dining table or something. LOL
The 25G is my 2nd favorite bumper pull. The reason it’s not #1 is the bed slide must be out to use the bed. Therefore ATC retains my #1 spot💪🏼✌🏼
Which ATC model?
Which model? I would also like to learn.
ATC 2513 or 2816 personally. They have 6 different bumper pulls.
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Josh, my wife and I are looking at getting into RVing in about 12-18 months. We have 4 small children (1 boy & 3 girls). We’re looking for something 3/4 ton towable with opposing bunks for the kids. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from 1 Josh to another.
From the hip
Wildwood 31kqbts
Jay flight 33bts
Cougar 34TSB
Wildwood 310bhi
Josh as and you shall receive. Yeah the outside storage definitely for a giraffe 🦒 . Nice lighting in the bedroom & the head knocker shelf's have to go. I don't think it's a good design for a toy hauler with the kitchen slide being in the back . Why don't we just go out to that store & just camp there in that field for FREE I mean theri set up & doesn't look like anyone's there . 😂 bring the hot dog roller machine. 🙋💣🪠🚽💥💥💥💥
I’d like to know where I can buy the “puppy saver” nets. I have the same rail and sliding door set up on our toyhauler.
In theory any GD selling dealership could get them from the factory. Jayco does some similar things. Forest river as well. I'm not sure what technical name they'd be known by though
Finally, 3 season doors on a TT Toyhauler! Only concern is the genny right under the bed, but other than that seems like a winner!
Yeah hard to avoid on that size and setup
@@JoshtheRVNerd people usually have to pay extra for a vibrating bed...I call it a plus :)
I'd like to see a camper made with a rear kitchen with a door on one side of the back to access a drop down patio. Basically a rear patio without it being a toy hauler.
FSX has a series of 3 of those coming!
@@JoshtheRVNerd sweet. I’ll have to check them out! Will be time to trade!
I loved it... Till I saw the Shwintech slides.... Come on Grand Design.
Thanks for Sharing, Josh
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That’s awesome! I need to buy a bigger vehicle to haul this! I like it! The bathroom shower wall needs to go up higher for the tall folks. The bed situation would be difficult with a cpap.
Near 1400lb hitch weight. I know most toy haulers are high hitch weight but dang.
They’re always extra nose heavy without cargo as well. You basically need a truck that could handle a fifth wheel for any “real” toy hauler
The grand design site says 1150 hitch weight... but a lot say 1374. Which is right?
I got my specs from their website directly at the time this was published
So I guess we will both have to ask them
I feel like something belongs in that passenger front compartment given the interior and exterior vents. I just can’t figure out what.
Do they have any normal travel trailers that have a foldable deck? I don’t want to haul anything but I like the idea of a deck. I just don’t like the furniture (reminds me of furniture on boats) and layouts of most toy haulers
There's not really a LOT of that BUT... the FSX division of forest river just made their new V-series trailers that provide a patio without being full on toy hauler
This would be perfect for us going to Eldora, just load up the golf cart and go!
For sure
just put a pipe on that exhaust tip and have it go out the back short enough where your not fumming your self or long enough to have go past the porch
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Nice, but Schwintek slides are a deal breaker. Nice video Josh
Why?
Josh can you do a video on models that have factory oversized solar with LiFePO4 battery options for people who want to do extended boon docking?
Keystone, Rockwood, Jayco doing those things in some models
Hot dang!! That’s a cool rig. I wish jayco would hop back on the bumper pull toy hauler bandwagon. I’ve got a octane 272 that is definitely the most funky floor plan ever. It’s the one with single bunks directly next to the fridge. Ya. Weird. But it works. I’m a diehard jayco fan and haven’t really been impressed with grand design but this one is definitely intriguing. Love the patio doors!
Glad you like it!
#NerdHerd 🎉🎉🎉
If I was looking for a toy hauler this would be the one.
So, when are you moving to Montana?
The window I was there is nice. i can imagine the winters are brutal
Two things: 1) If I'm seeing this correctly, it looks like this is equipped with manual stabilizers, with a 13K capacity this should have in the least electronic stabilizers, maybe even an automatic leveling system. 2) Looking at the going price of these, you would think they would include some type of Solid Step instead of the fold outs
Lot of people don’t realize power stabs are often rated for less weight vs manuals.
Neither is intended to shift the level plane of the ev
That’s the big difference between stabilizers and levelers
n addition to the stabilizer,you have to remember that toy haulers are not always parked on flat level surfaces where the fold out steps need to land. This makes the folding steps a better option in my opinion.@@JoshtheRVNerd
I live in NY. Does anyone know if im going to save money the closer i get to Indiana to buy new?
When we bought our GD 22MLE I shopped within about a 200 mile radius. My experience was there wasn't a big difference between the lowest price quotes I received. I suspect most of the difference I saw was the delivery fee as the low price dealers that were a bit higher were also further from Elkhart. Assuming similar low quotes my experience leads me to believe that the biggest savings of buying closer to Elkhart would be from delivery fees not so much the base trailer price. If that is enough for you to make a trip I can't say.
Keep in mind RV dealers, even the big chains, are an independent lot and won't always do warranty work on trailers they did not sell. Depending upon the brand this means you might be forced to take the trailer back to where you bought it if you need warranty work. I have not had to test it but other Grand Design owners report that GD is good about letting customers use mobile technicians for warranty work with the caveat that the owner pays the travel fee. With our previous Winnebago and Palomino trailers we did not have this option nor the best dealerships. In our case we did not purchase from the local GD dealer (same one we bought our Winnebago from) they did not quote a very good price nor were we happy with their service department. They would take months to get warranty work handled and just as frequently mishandled what needed to be repaired. The dealer we bought from was not the lowest quote and is about 2 hours away but has a good service reputation. They have upheld that reputation by handling our only trip down for warranty repairs and turning them around in about 2 weeks. So another thing to consider is the if there is a quality dealer in your area it might be worth a higher price, within reason, to purchase locally.
Closer to the source means less shipping costs baked into the rv
Usually owner-based travel to collect an rv runs about 1/3 of factory shipping
@@oldengineer1519 thanks for the input. I guess I really should just buy local to me. Walked through a few last weekend and they were literally falling apart and had missing hardware all over the rv so it makes sense I should stay close to a repair hub.
I like my 2023 25G but... it came with some defects from the factory. The biggest ones were the water leaks that ruined 2 of my vacations! One being out in the desert for 10 days without water... Took it back to the dealer (Lazydays RV) which they said they fixed a couple of loose hot water line fittings. However the next trip out the hot water tank area had a slow leak and another camping trip without water, its back at LazyDays RV... The other things were, missing molding strips, draft brushes missing from the 3 season doors, bent lift power bed bar, FOD under the super flex rubber roof, which had to be covered with sealant...
It is a comfortable TH. The reclining chairs are nice but do take up valuable garage space when in load mode. The ramp door is very heavy to open and close, I did hear that GD sells a cable assist box you can install on the ramp door. The folding bed is no big deal and is somewhat comfortable, add a foamy and you're good to go. The little corner shelves in the bed area are no problem for us. Small wardrobe closet is no problem, we make it work. Agree about the outdoor kitchen probable remove the stove and reffer and replace with ice maker and a portable camp stove of better quality. The higher storage cabinets are inconvenient but a small foldable step stool works and the extra headroom is worth it!
Great rig for boondocking when you don't have water leaks! 🙂
Sorry to hear that but TY for sharing your real experiences!
🎉#NerdHerd
Seems like a super great camping trailer 👌 as they did think of tall guys 6'4 plus the glass patio door. It is nice to bring some Ikea folding patio chairs & table could stay on the balcony setup well at camp
Sounds awesome
Grand design does come with the Lippert ant-lock brake option.
😊😊👍👍👍👍👍
Man, we need more 4500 Lb options. The 190RT can't be the only good option in that weight class.
18rr grey wolf?
@@JoshtheRVNerd Had a feeling this one was coming. It's just a 190RT with two feet chopped off the end and an unwanted frame lift. Same weight oddly enough.
If the 190RT was just a little... higher quality. Somewhere between the ATC 2015 and the Wildwood. A fuel tank would be nice too.
Quit teasing me with all these travel trailer toy haulers and just release the Ember 240TKR video already!!!! PPPLLLLEEEEAAASSSSEEEE
It’s coming!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Hopefully sooooooooooonnnnnnn
Nice, but buyers beware!! The Lippert Schwintek Slide System sucks!! Grand Design only gives you a one year warranty on them for a reason. After 1 year and 5 months ours is already giving us major issues. GD's response - sorry, only a one year warranty....
Grand Design is the bees knees 😂
I had been wondering if the bed on this model was a 'bendy' bed and my question was answered in the first two minutes! Sadly a large majority of toy hauler travel trailers have this type of bed which immediately takes them off my 'maybe' list. A few extra inches in length would have put it to the top of my list.
It pretty much has to be with a front end like that
Great review and walk through Josh! I have a 2022 Momentum 25G that we have owned for approximately 2 years. I have made several improvements and added a few extras to make it our own trailer. First of all, we really do like this travel trailer. We have had several warranty items addressed, and some not addressed due to frustrations from wrestling with the dealer that is supposed to fix them. Overall, I think our major warranty items have been resolved and I'm tired of driving 60 miles one way to leave our trailer and still not get it repaired in a timely manner. I'll take care of them myself - it's a lot less stressful. I'll keep this commentary on the positive side for now since we really do like this trailer and not make it about poor service departments and lack of QA/QC. I think we've had less warranty issues than some of the horror stories I've read about. Regardless, for us it's the right size unit and serves us well. It is our 4th travel trailer in 16 years, and second toy hauler, we actually downsized to this one, so... not our first rodeo.
Improvements and Additions I've made and recommend for the Momentum G-class trailers.
1. Replaced the shower curtain with a Stoett roll up shower door. Much better! shop.stoett.com/product/nautilus-shower-door/
2. Installed Lippert 236558 RV Double Box Under Chassis Storage Unit Black for chocks, blocks, hoses, etc. Expensive, had to modify the unit to fit, but nice to have. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JMHGV6O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
3. Added a separate dining table to set up when needed and capped the holes for the one that came with the RV. I see the newer version already included this upgrade.
4. Added overhead LED lights under the bunk that goes up and down. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081M8KL38/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
5. Added dimmer switches in the bedroom to operate the lights over the bed so you can dim switch them on/off while in bed. They were too high overhead for my wife to reach. www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q4FC9CM/?coliid=I1WX42K73VCYL1&colid=1YZEAJKBAINP5&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
6. Added small electric fireplace, built a small frame for it. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095WR6GXP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
7. Roadmaster Comfort Ride Leaf Spring Suspension Kit w/ Shock Absorbers - Tandem 5K Trailer Axles. www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Leaf-Spring-Suspension/Roadmaster/RM-2460-2560.html Much improved ride.
8. Victory Step Manual Fold-Down Steps for RV and Toy Hauler Patios - 4 Steps. Easy in/out for the dogs and people too. www.etrailer.com/RV-and-Camper-Steps/Lippert/LC726895.html
9. Outside RV TV Mount, attached with 3M heavy Duty double sided tape (after 7 months, still holding) htps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089BWXRGJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
10. Relocated and installed my Hensley Arrow Hitch. This is the third RV we've used it on. hensleymfg.com/products/hensley-arrow-anti-sway-trailer-hitch
11. BUNKER HILL SECURITY 115 Lumen Wall Mount Solar Security Lights, Black solar lights, one on each side, works great, motion sensor and on/off switch. Harbor Freight, mounted with 3M double sided tape. www.harborfreight.com/115-lumen-wall-mount-solar-security-light-black-56252.html?_br_psugg_q=solar+lights
We've made other improvements like TV in the bedroom that we set up and store when traveling, plus some storage bins in the cabinets for organizing, rug for the main living area, etc.
I hope this helps anyone that has one of these trailers or is considering one. This particular trailer has the best kitchen layout and size in my opinion. Happy camping and be safe.
Don in Florida
Thx Don!
I'd put all mt fishing poles ans tackle box, net, fish carry box. To me its perfect so I don't have to break down my poles. I think I'd opt to put a regular home recliner with massage and heat in there, I'd keep the little chairs for company to sit in while visiting. This one pretty much checks all the boxes nice, thanks Josh.
My pleasure!
Those shelves will be removed the first time I hit them with my head...by my head.
Nice toy hauler. That backlit mirror is snazzy.
The hitch weight is the death knell for towing this with a half ton. We recently replaced our half ton with one that has a max tow package that has a 1400/14000 lb rated hitch. By the time you load this up the hitch weight would exceed that. When we were looking most standard tow package hitches were in the 1100/11000 lb to 1250/12500 lb range so would not even handle the dry weight.
hitch weight usually is the breaking point
Saw Car & Driver blasting an article on facebook talking about how towing capacity is all that matters. People get killed because of stupid stuff like that. Glad it helps them sell magazines
The views in MT are beyond belief. I love it there. Get to Glacier National Park!
I was all work on that trip and have been told I missed out on some amazing scenery
Nice! I like the flexibility of toy haulers. Thanks for showing where the chairs can fit during road mode. I was wondering how much they would interfere with cargo. Nice they put the 3 season door in! And the awning over the patio! I think they should be standard on every one. I can't imagine how hot the black base of that patio would get.
About those shelves at the head of the bed. I theory it would be a good place to park the phone, but I'm not sure they are big enough for even that, and unless you want a cord dangling and a phone landing on your head. They sure won't hold a book.
B... Book? Aren't those like flippy tablets without wifi? lol :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes, but they make you look really smart!
I freaking LOVE watching your videos. I’m also into camper porn and you do a great job.
Two things I would do.
1. That hanging closet in the bedroom. Make it taller to use the full space.
2. The bed is not CPAP friendly. I would take the second level corner shelves and run a deeper shelf all the way across. CPAP should be fine there but power may be an issue if outlets are on the bed support. Blocking a bit of the window is fine.
First thing I noticed too. Bed area design is not CPAP friendly. A shame. I like everything else about this model regarding my wants in a trailer.
I like to look at RV'S to get an idea for a couple's model in 7 years or so. I never really looked at toy haulers. I like a lot of things about this. My biggest concern is the amount of outside storage. I'd like more than just that small vertical space.
Yeah they are limited that way
Oh yeah, I noticed that some Bish's locations carry OBi Dwellers, Conqueror UEVs, and TAXA Mantis models. Those would all be great to see tours of. It's too bad the only TAXA model carried is the Mantis, as I think the Cricket would also be a good seller and tour video too. Thanks, as always, for everything Uncle Josh!
A few of our montana stores have a good selection of adventure campers. I'm busy rebuilding the core of my video catalog for 2024 right now, though
Nice model, just wish it had a normal N/S bed to make road mode completely useable. As always, great job Josh and thank you.
I like the patio options toy haulers provide. We travel with our dogs and that back area has always looked very convenient and inviting. And toy haulers usually offer lots of space and storage in the kitchen/living area. But as a rule the furnishings are sparse and don’t look very comfortable. The bed being a foldable mattress isn’t ideal and that slide is definitely too deep for me. The cabinets and shelves are out of reach without climbing on the bed. The amenities are nice, but we’re not in need of an outside kitchen so that’s a feature we’d be paying for but wouldn’t use.
I think FSX's new V-Series might be something you like. Stay tuned...
I think if they could take this floor plan and make the garage area a private bedroom would be great. This would give 2 single adults their own space. In just over a 30ft length. Really injoy your videos. Try and think about coming to the Tampa to the RV show in January you'd still would be a big hit just representing yourself.
They don't make them anymore, but you can see YT videos for them... check out the Momentum 29GO, it has a living room instead of a garage with a full queen bed on a lift. On the front of the trailer past the kitchen and bathroom it has a sort of bunkroom. I loved the idea. The first search result on YT (from Big Truck Big RV) is the right model, the video from Matt's RV Reviews has the right name, but it's not the right model somehow (edit: I just looked, it's because Matt reviewed the 29G, not the 29GO and consistently mislabeled it as the 29GO in the title and description).
This is a perfect mid sized toy Hauler. Sadly its too heavy on the tongue for a half tonne truck to pull. But I very much like it
This model is very intriguing. I like the size and it can haul, but be very comfortable when your set up. Would have liked to see the ramp in load mode and how it works
Great video, as always. That whole line seems well thought out, and better than average quality. It has enough solar that the 12v fridge would likely be fine. Propane wise upgrading to 7 gal would be easy and inexpensive. For a while there some brands had 3x5 gal- people could use the quick exchange, and people with limited strength weren’t trying to handle full 7 gallon bottles. That adjustable table with the dove tail- brilliant.
Things that would concern me (if I was looking in that type) Schwintek system on a large, heavy slide, and the aqua panel system.
For people who boondock for extended time, it isn’t uncommon to fill a couple 6 gal water jugs whenever you go to town, or in Arizona the tap water is so mineralized people get drinkable water from coin operated kiosks.
I’d have to make some modifications to be able to get fresh water in where it isn’t coming from a pressurized garden hose.
Yeah they’re really good at one they do on these
JOSH, it’s got those “quality” outdoor speakers again…..
Hahaha
The King Ranch says it can tow it on paper but I wouldn't. On another note I wish I was younger and could ride dirt bikes because this is perfection 💯
Hat's off to the team and thanks Josh 🍻
Nice but not for me.
fair enough
So what has to do with pivot with explanation for selling RV ?
Smart human mouth Microsoft beings and abilities that the very first face to face impression, definitely not going to buy a trick of Microsoft trying to sell RV.. :)
Sorry.. what? I'm not able to follow anything that's been written here
FUJB
You better have a toy to haul if you’re willing to make the sacrifice to sit on two hard bench seats and a couple tiny euro-chairs🫤