How to Proxy | Making Proxy Magic Cards the Right Way | Commander | EDH | Magic the Gathering
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Proxies are fine as long as they don't break the casual nature of the game. Generally speaking, when someone is throwing proxies of Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Gaia's Cradle, and similar cards into every deck, the games stop being casual.
How about Alolan Rattata Colony?
@@failfurby Your answer is in your reply - "not everyone plays strictly casual games". There are some stores that host unofficial CEDH events that allow a certain number of proxies because you need to have so many expensive pieces to remain competitive. However, CEDH is a different format from EDH.
It all depends on the playgroup. There are cards that costs cents that makes the experience much worse than cards that costs hundreds of dollars. Just rule 0 and everything is fine
I had a friend that proxied 4 copies of Black Lotus, and all five of the Moxes and had 3 turn 1 win combos.
@@failfurby You're 100% wrong. EDH start with some guys throwing together janky decks with big splashy cards that you'd never be able to play at an actual competitive standard game. It took off because people wanted to play magic, not rush to win by turn 2 to 4.
From there it mainly developed into a format where people played to have fun with their decks. There are different tastes on what's fun, but cEDH is called that because the win-as-soon-as-possible, competitive mentality isn't appropriate for EDH in the first place. If you want that, there are plenty of other formats - Pauper, Standard, Pioneer, Modern, etc.
I am not a talented artist even though I like to do it. My son, however, will draw on anything and everything so if I need a proxy, I will write all of the text then have him draw on it. Then I have a piece of his artwork in my deck! ☺️
I get my seven year old to draw my tokens and pay her 20p per copy. It's pocket money for her and she likes drawing.
This is awesome. I’m gonna have my kiddo start doing this
You can definitely use signed cards and alters in sanctioned tournaments, as long as you maintain the visibility of the original card name and any of it's costs (mana costs, loyalty abilities ect.)
as long as it is okayed by a judge right?
@@ihusitusi you dont even need the judge to "ok" it. If it's an issue in deck check, judges will provide replacement placeholder cards. (for extra curled foils etc)
Should have introduced him as proxy Rick Meranis for this episode xD
I would definitely draw my own proxies if I played on paper much, but considering I play over spelltable... well, the OG art gets picked up by the webcam better, and it helps people be able to click on your card! Either way, what you do is a work of love, and it's really cool!
Proxy anything. Esp after 30 anniversary.
Yep
Our playgroup is fine with proxies, we allow all proxies of cards people own. And we rule 0 when someone wants to play proxies of cards they don’t own. Personally I use mtgprint to make sheets of cards and print them at my local print shop. That way they still look ok and most of the time people don’t even notice. That feels best for the play experience.
My understanding of this method is that someone feels regret for buying into the gambling/collection aspect of Magic so they create a culture of spite towards others who are cleverer with their money.
I'm of hispanic/mexican descent and make the Juan/Juan joke all the time. Can't speak for all of us, but I approve. It's a funny joke and I'd run those proxies in a heartbeat.
Someone at my play group said "I want to play your deck building, not your budget." EDH is about having fun building and playing your decks. Most players will try to figure out the power level of a newbies deck or so they can bring out a similar power level of deck.
This is one of the most helpful proxy making videos when it comes to doing traditional art mediums. I've heard of gel pens working well too, since it covers the surface and isn't as translucent as other materials.
"He's obviously not gonna play with that" and here I am shuffling my 10 duals and gaea's cradle 😂😂
I proxy duals. I dont see the issue… as long as people continue to play Sol Ring and free cast spells there’s no reason why you can’t.
When people talk about monetary value, it’s only for the collectors. These things have no inherent value, they’re just pieces of cardboard.
@@GallantLee I didn't say I was against proxies. I just said I play with my OG duals without caring for their value.
@@nelsikegaming I was just agreeing and adding support for your position
@@GallantLee It's funny how text can be misinterpreted 😂 but yes, cardboard is cardboard and I just want to play haha
I always get a little bit jealous when someone presents a simple, yet well drawn, picture and says, 'Yeah, i just did a rough sketch and then went over it with a darker pen.'
Man, I'd sell my soul just to be able to draw that font you used on the boar token, let alone the boar itself 😂
MTG is a great game, my group plays kitchen table MTG, we don't adhere to ban lists and just make the decks we want to play. I typically proxy cards to make decks before I buy them. If I'm going to spend potentially a couple hundred dollars on a deck I'd rather know it's enjoyable and flows well before I buy those cards. While MTG is concerned about proxies, I think they should be more concerned with counterfeits. Cards people are trying to pass off as the real deal.
I also love using proxies to update older cards to be full art etc to bring them into line with a deck that has newer full art cards, it really unifies and brings everything together! So far proxies have made me go from 2-4 decks to now owning more than 20 decks all using official MTG cards, since I've been able to test run the decks at the table with my friends and family it's really helped me commit to buying new cards.
On the other end of the list we have a buddy who can't really afford to play MTG, he's got a lot going on in life and has to worry more about rent, his entire MTG collection is proxies unless they were gifted by the group. We'd much rather play games with him than exclude him and I'm sure he'll likely end up eventually replacing his decks with official cards when financially able but even if not I'm just happy to play games with him.
Our house no-no against proxies is no proxies for cards outside our means. (In the case of our buddy that can't afford MTG right now, it's more important he's there than his cards being real.) If we would never be able to buy it because of how absurd the price, we wont print it either. All of us are low-middle class. I think the important thing is we are playing the game and giving WoTC money when we can. The cards also aren't ever going to have effect on the market since they have different backs and art on them than the card would ordinarily have.
Happy to hear any thoughts or hate, I understand this can be a touchy subject, I just ask you keep things professional. I've always thought the most important aspect of the game is the gathering not the monetary parts behind making that happen.
There's no proxy rule. Aa long as the group doesn't mind, then it's a non-issue. If the group says no proxies, then use a different deck or find another group. I like owning the cards myself. But to each their own.
Yeah I am 100% okay with others proxying but I personally like playing with real cards. I own a TON of proxies and tried it but I didn't enjoy having them in my decks.
i think the rule zero discussion is the best way, our group allows proxies if you own the card and you just don't want to play with it because of value or collectability, don't own the card then no proxy
I like owning my cards, but i have no problem with ppl proxing, especially if its becus of finances. I know ppl that are loaded and wont buy a card. Im not a fan of that. and i know ppl who proxy even cheap cards too becus they cannot afford to use money on cards. I know they would buy them when their situation changes and im totally ok with that.
Mtg dont care about second hand market anyway.
In my lgs we usually buy whatever we can afford to support them, and i think thats much more important
I used to do various method like that to proxy cards. But nowadays in my country buy mtg cards has become very costly so I just:
1. print the entire deck on thick glossy paper
2. cut the cards
3. use a round corner cutter
4. sleeve them all so I don't have to deal with something like a mtg back or print something on the other side
Its obviously not the same thickness or has the same flex than a real mtg card, but for commander decks its even easier to shuffle.
Fast, looks good, easier to shuffle, save money, everything is a win.
I built a vintage cube and wouldn't you believe it that certain cards are very expensive. But I want to be able to draft with strangers and friends alike and just enjoy playing without thinking about people handling my cards. I proxied the whole thing and it was the best decision I have made
I used to make foil proxy cards by cleaning bulk foils with acetone (which was very tiring), then I got in a, now deceased, site to make the layout of the card and inserted an image that I'd feel went well with the card. Then I just printed it in a clear self adhesive vinyl.
Then Ikoria came and I started to do my own "Nickname" cards
Now days I found some holographic posterboard that is nice and thin so after pasting the adhesive vinyl it end with almost the same thickness as a normal Magic card
Did that now defunct site happen to be Card Conjurer?
@@invertedghostgames9899
Yeah
I mean, it still exist, but it got soooo nerfed that it's not worth it anymore.
Luckily I got the repository and I got everything saved, so I can use the Old full version from my PC.
I started with this method pretty much exactly as described in this video and haven't looked back. I did a Swamp Thing Animar as a love letter, several tokens and alters, it's been a blast.
Thanks, Proxy Rick Moranis!
You’re so welcome! Glad to hear this method helped.
The thickness doesnt matter all that much unless the cards are THICCC, there is variance between even cards normally. i just recently sat and sorted several booster boxes worth of cards, i believe i had a commander masters box, a LOTR box, a couple of Eldrane and an Ixilan, after a bit of sorting i could feel the difference in thickness and weight from card to card.
Someone should teach this man about mpcfill
Me and my friends have a Proxy land rule on our casual table, we Proxy everything from shocks to fetchs, to dual Lands, but not the more broken ones like cradle, ancient tomb, tabernacle, etc. It makes the game so much easier.
Hasbro has enough money, Proxy away
Feel a little mislead with the title. Like yes it's about proxies but most people can't draw.
Agreed. Title should be: "How I Draw my proxies"
Perfect timing on the video! I’m like 4 months into magic and I’ve always wanted to know how proxies are looked at in edh because that’s what I mostly play. Personally getting into magic just a couple months ago and trying to build a deck and seeing how much certain cards are especially some needed staples the money stacks up tbh and then I’m just like well if I don’t add this in my deck it won’t be as good. Right now I’m talking to someone about purchasing a jeweled lotus, deflecting swat, demonic tutor and ragavan and his price for the 4 was $200 and it’s mostly in line to tcg so I can’t be mad about it.
If you buy high quality counterfeit proxies you’ll be able to play sanctioned events with them.
The people in the store where i play usually agree:
If you own a card once, you can proxxy it as much as you like.
I just print mine on normal paper, sleeve a land and put the paper cutout over it.
I would like to offer my personal philosophy on proxies. I don’t mind if someone wants to proxy another copy of a card they already own. This is merely saving time with a play group who would totally not accept any proxies because the player would not need to re-sleeve. Now, the reason I think they should own the card first is because in addition to a casual card game, it is also a collectible! If there are nothing but proxies then the original would lose value. To prove this, imagine the logical extreme - no cards are bought when released and all are proxies. Since no originals are bought, they would all become as valuable as the proxies. In addition, WotC would not be incentivized to create new cards - because no one would buy them since in this logical extreme all are proxies. That is bad for the game and community. That is why I say buy a card first and proxy the next.
Don't care really. I just prefer an etsy style proxy, if I do, because I support an artist, and don't personally wanna see a play test card scribble. I'll spend $5, over $75, and get art I like, and still be able to buy diapers for my kid, and not be hurting for gas, or energy drinks for work, on a bad pay week.
Now this is a Christmas gift I can get behind. ❤️
You CAN play altered art and signed cards at your regular lgs BUT if you play at a Grand Prix level or higher NO. I went to one when kolonian hydra was standard and my buddy had one altered by the artist and the judges said he had to take it out… same with my signed sword of feast and famine, I had to go buy another one for my deck at the tournament… it was a 12 hour tournament with 665 people. I placed 65.
I have never been a fan of proxy's, but that was before I sold my whole collection in 2018 lol. Now that i am back in I have softened my stance. My rule is you have to own the card at least to proxy. like if you have 3 and just cant find or its too expensive to get the 4th.
I have laminated a few of the blank cards, and use a wet erase marker for creating tokens.
This was really cool! Thanks! I had been talking to a friend about just drawing on paper that was like the size of a mtg card to make token proxies. There's 2.5 x 3.5 paper on amazon. We hadn't really tried it out yet tho. Kinda glad we waited haha
It definitely takes some getting used to -drawing at that small scale. Just have fun with it 🤙
Altered cards are fine as long as you can see the mana cost and name. Signed are no problem. Signed and altered are however a different ballgame when it comes to pricing.
I couldn't use proxies myslef, even when im poor and or broke asf. Ill just eventually get said card by saving up and stuff. Not against it but I'd rather just own the actual card, just gives me the serotonin lookin at em.
been saying since the lay offs at hasbro, that we should all proxy for like 6 mos as a movement, not buy any product til they get the message
Hasbro is the one that makes gummy bears……… 😂
@@GoatlingWilliamsthat's haribo
@@GoatlingWilliams Nope, Haribo makes the sweet ones
@@GoatlingWilliams You're thinking of Haribo... Hasbro owns Wizards of the Coast.
@@GoatlingWilliams Haribo is the gummy bears, WOTC is a subsidiary of Hasbro.
Odd that you didn't demo some of the techniques. Would have been helpful to see how some of the different art-media reacts with some of the card surfaces, especially for color-bleed and blending.
Might need to do a 2.0 on this
As mexican I support the 1/1 juan tokens 😂
I liked them too I thought they were cute
Would love to see more examples of Eric’s proxies, especially the ones that he blanked first 👍
We need to do a 2.0 for sure
i got also in magic cause of the art!
Duluth Trading Co.
Oh yah, you betcha! Ok den, take care. ❤
Me and my friend's group have this rules:
We can do fun proxies just because
And we can do a proxie of a card among us, is already owned.
JUUUAAAAANNNN, we won one Juan!
1:30 The best phrase I've heard and use myself is "I want to play a person not their wallet."
Proxy's are fine if you want to practice or try something without sinking the money into it before finding out if it works for the deck. However for official events you need to have the actual card, same principle applies like in WH40k when wanting to try out a unit but you don't have the model for it, yet.
I think proxy is a good thing for commander and other magic formats at the lower levels. That being said, at one point in my commander magic life I bought some power. Mana crypt, force of will, other fast rocks. It set me ahead in many games. But didn’t make me have anymore fun in my playgroup. And I realized if I prioritize fun over wins that things would be better for me and my experience as well as other players I was trying to have fun with.
All in all play to your pods power and try to have fun.
I've never been upset by proxies except when it's really hard to tell someone's board state. Otherwise the real issues always come down to: "Did you create an overpowered deck for the pod you're in?" and/or "Is your deck just a pile of boring MSG cards instead of some specific interesting flavor?"
Often times Proxies are associated with these issues because when you have unlimited access to every card in the game people tend to get corrupted and just slide in more and more OP cards each time they lose a game because "obviously my deck just wasn't good enough" until their win rate reaches 50% or higher.
They don't start with trying to pilot their deck better or identify issues with their mana-curve or card choices because why would they need to? Every problem can be solved by the same set of $30+ cards
"Since my deck is just too slow so lets toss in a jeweled lotus, mana crypt, mana-vault, dockside, etc.!"
"I sometimes don't get all my colors, instead of running better ramp, lets toss in ever $500 multi-colored land that fits me"
"I don't get enough card draw...lets add a rhystic study!"
"Cyclonic rift cuz I'm blue!"
"My win condition keeps getting stopped, lets add Force of Will and Deflecting Swat and Teferi's Protection and..."
Proxying isn't itself the problem, but people struggle to control themselves when doing it so it gets a bad rep.
Any card that costs more than $5 that I didn’t physically pull from a pack is a proxy. I can get counterfeits of currently in print cards that are such high quality that it makes real MTG cards look like fakes. My LGS has even purchased and sold them unknowingly.
Budget Rick moranis looks an awful lot like adult Beans from Even Stevens
As a broke college student I use my schools printer to proxy cards in my 99 even though they are slightly thicker I’m not trying to cheat by feeling their weight. I also found that if you proxy some bulk staples people can’t do the weight test for expensive game ending cards and they end up just getting a random spell.
To me, i dont mind proxies if you own the card. If you dont have it and want to test it out in a deck, i dont mind either.
It becomes a problem to me when someone is using proxies to put powerful cards in a deck to bump its "power level" and always saying "oh im just testing it, ill buy it at some point if i like it" and then never doing so.
I once played against a guy who's commander was Saruman of many colors, but every card in his deck was a black and white printout. Nobody seemed to care that he did this and honestly it was probably a joke as well, more like Saruman of no colors.
I stayed away from proxies until that 30th anniversary 4 packs for 1000 bucks ...
Oh ...man ..that pushed me over the edge... I won't use proxies in tournaments or whatever ..but ya.
Yeah I kinda feel the same, I was against proxies for a while but I've spent so much over the years on original cards I'm now like one or two proxy decks are probably okay. Least if I get bored or want a change it's not going to cost me much.
Man what a time...the joke about juan should be celebrated.......the idea....the art.....the joke cause conedy is art as well.....gooo juan
I know it's just harmless fun
I don't care about proxy cards as long as I can see what it is and what it does. Quality proxy not crayon chicken script.
As a born and raised Mexican I approve of the 1/1 Juans XD
I got some friends where we're gonna make a proxy CEDH decks to battle each other to see how it would go. :)
With proxies just ask if people you play with are ok with it. Ive proxied a cultivate just cause i didnt want take time to find where i misplaced it XD
In my play group proxies are only allowed to protect valuable cards you want to play and already own, 1-for-1.
I've been looking into proxies, I want to find good quality proxies. However I only want proxies for full art lands and then "nickname" versions of Planeswalkers I own; so I can play the Planeswalkers I made up as a kids.
This video is a Hasbro trap, got you! 🚨 anyone commenting in favor has been added to the list.
I use HP specials. Aka proxies printed with an HP Printer.
I print mine and put them over top of basic lands within the sleeves. Works fine.
I have a signed cradle - I have never had an issue playing it in a tournamnet.
I proxy cards i have just one or two copies of and want it in multiple decks. I use the blank 'tokens' meant for the double faced cards, just doodle something, sometimes try to theme it to the deck or poorly copy the actual art
I just did this for a token with micron pens, but it’s smudging a bit. Will it stop if i continue to let it dry? Or is there something I can apply to help with that?
Try to draw a section and let it dry about 10-15min before returning to that area for more details. Always use very soft touch when drawing with those. Once finished, I let dry over night before sealing or putting in a sleeve. Hope that helps!
I usually prefer people to own the paper card in the deck unless it's just such an astronomical cost to do so like I have one for Edgar Markov and sliver Queen because those are more than $200 a piece.
for me if I'm not on an tournament or something official I use proxy espacialy the very expanssive land , over certain price i proxy I don't value spéculation
Got lucky and pulled an Ancient Copper Dragon. $60 card. It's in 3 decks, 2 being Proxies. Why spend an additional $120 when $2 worth of proxies can accomplish the same thing?
I used to not like proxies as they created the ability to have no limits. While others create a deck from a collection and a budget. I may start asking artists to commission cards for me.
Especially since the AI scandal with wotc
7:05 ppl like me: I don't want to spend a whole down-payment on a house for a deck
Typical magic player's: it's just four grand (sometimes more)
Shout out to art primo used to get all my graffiti supplies from there
They rock!
I turn all of my jank dual lands into shock and og dual lands
So only a minute into it and I have to say since playing magic since 2001, and commander since release in 2011… i play proxies for TWO reasons… 1- I already have the +$40 card in one of my cEDH decks and putting it in another and don’t wanna drop money on another one. 2- use it to play test new or different cards in a deck before buying it. It’s cost efficient and perfectly legal in a non sanctioned event and if your pod or play group DOESNT like it they can deal with it (normally I play my cEDH deck instead and wipe the floor with them by turn 3), and that normally does the trick. 👍
I think people can use proxies responsibly. But i do think people overly use proxies and justify it by claiming every deck NEEDS true duals, wheel of fortune, gaea's cradle, etc.which is just not true. Its easy for people to just use proxies to push power level up as fast as possible.
This channel is dedicated to budget decks being good decks so i dont think people need to make proxies for the most part
I also think people should be cognizant about the effects of not supporting their LGS that proxies inherently causes to some degree.
Finally, the voice of reason. It’s an unwavering sense of entitlement that causes people to obtain/create counterfeits with the belief that they should be able to play whatever they want just because it exists.
I should mention there’s a distinction between proxies and counterfeits, but it’s a very thin line.
Proxying doesn’t ruin your LGS. I spend heaps of money at my LGS, but I cant remember the last time I bought a card over $10 from them. It’s still cheaper to buy them off individuals on facebook marketplace. Still official real cards. I have 3-5 copies at least, I’ve lost count, of every fetchland… but proxy more for all my decks.
There is a huge difference between counterfeits and proxies. A proxy cant pass off as a real card and it’s purpose isnt to. It’s designed as a substitute.
A counterfeit is trying to pass off as a real offcial mtg card.
I personally am against counterfeits, but there’s no limits for me with proxies… i have an expectation that they are clearly recognisable and legible. I have a preference that they have similar/same artwork of the cards they represent so the table has an easier time playing the game.
@@GallantLee I said above people can use proxies responsibly. Making permanent proxies for cards you own so you don't have to swap them in and out of decks excessively would be one of those ways.
I hear and see all the time people who say they just make proxies for everything and won't spend any money for cards, I know people who do this and I give them lots of crap for it. Those people are actively hurting LGSs because they aren't spending money to support them, and yet go play using their spaces for free. That is entitlement and causes harm for alot of small businesses that are LGSs. Half the time they claim it's to fight WOTC, even tho that's not how the singles market works. You may be supporting your LGS, and that's great! Continue to do so. But you can't deny that people do use proxies to spend 0 dollars on cards at LGSs, and you can't deny that it hurts LGSs.
This also says nothing about my other points about power and deckbuilding
I’m a casual cEDH player, meaning there’s no way in hell I’m paying more than $30 on a card, and I proxy the hell out of my deck at first, then gradually fill a deck in.
If there is no way in hell you would spend more than $30 on a card, how would you gradually fill your cedh deck in? 🍻
@@brendans1983 mostly by gambling with packs and I make exceptions to that rule if it’s not a one off card for a deck
@@47_was_here3 I'm still trying to figure out a way to mentally justify the purchase of a Mox Diamond to myself, not quite there yet but I'm getting close 😂
@@47_was_here3gambling with packs here, got a crypt!
Hoping to open a jeweled lotus before buying one, but at this point I might as welll buy the single lol
Proxy is fine as long as you get the other players permission. This is esepeically fine if you are testing out a deck and need to know if its worth spending the money to get the actual cards. The fact that we have cards that cost 100+ its absolutely fine for a person to test. NOW if this is a PAY event where you can win a prize. Then proxy should ONLY be allowed if you are doing so because you have the cards but dont feel like pulling them out of a deck or have them in protective cases and cant afford to actually use the real card but you DO OWN THEM. Im not going to play a guy in a pay even that doesnt own the cards he plays...
If I own a copy I will proxy out to put in a cpl decks if it needs it. I proxy anything over 40$.
there are definitely etsy stores that sell proxies lol
Illegal is different than getting caught.
There is not much here that is easily reproducible. Printing stickers are definitely the easiest way. No need to mess with spray adhesive. This is still a little gate keepy. It's ok for you to proxy because it takes effort and a long time. Not a great proxy advocate video here imo.
How is gold boarders not legal yet in commander? they're literally reprints of cards from WotC
Nice! New vid!
If someone were to make their own custom Proxies, can they sell them?
As long as I can read the card I'm cool with it.
I've been playing only proxies for a couple years now and can safely say I'm never going back to using normal cards again.
i proxy my commanders into alters just cause it looks cool, i still owb the original so i can always swap them
15:00 No offense at all. El humor es para y por todos. Humour is for and by everyone. The world would be very boring otherwise.
Not interested in breaking my bank account to buy paper. I am not interested in selling them as the real deal, either. I just want to play the game and I like some of the things certain cards do to help boost up my deck. I'm not even good enough to play in tournaments, so there's never the chance for me to "sneak" in a proxy into a professional game. Just want to bring friends over and have some tomfoolery with games. I just want to play the game. Hundreds of dollars for a piece of paper, indeed. And that's not even through Wizards! That's just a price based on popularity, rarity, whatever. Wizards isn't even making the money off the second hand market, so yeah, not gonna do that nonsense.
Chinese printer go brrr 😂
So why is anyone okay with someone bringing 8 decks full of off colored fetch lands, mana crypts, and every extra turn card
If the meta is ok with it, it shouldn’t matter whether they are real of proxy. They work exactly the same.
@@GallantLee a 90$ deck is not the same as a 900$ deck
@@Rubz-eb9cw what does that have anything to do with proxies? if your meta is ok with playing those cards it shouldn't matter whether they are proxies or not. What matters is whether they are ok with playing those cards.
Edit: sorry hit enter before finishing. Cost of a deck is usually tied to popularity and playability, and therefore in part to power level. However, that's only part of the picture. A Sol Ring doesn't add much to the cost of a deck, and arguably fits well into a $90 deck.
These are just pieces of cardboard with no intrinsic value. Besides the reserve list, every card is available to be reprinted and therefore pretty mucbh means almost every $900 deck can at some point also be a $90 deck.
So I guess to that ridiculous point, your point is wrong?
@@GallantLee the whole reason cards are expensive is to make them hard to get and to put them in your best deck, the whole reason wizards keeps releasing more power creeping cards is to get people to make more diverse decks with their own collections. Just because you have 1 gaeas cradle shouldn't mean you actually have 10 for each of your decks
@@Rubz-eb9cw hahhahaa ok you got me
Proxies are pog
How to proxy - MPC
i ok with proxies i will only play with them if i all ready have the real card but can't buy like a play set of them or doing the test run to make a deck but going to get the cards just can't do it right now because lets face it cards cost a lot of money and spending 100 to 500 to thousand and you need one for every deck thats 400 just for 100 and you need one for 4 decks or 300 that right their is 1200 not everyone has the money for high end card some people out their want proxie to use maon for other stuff its ok to proxie cards but we have to remember roll zero talk about the decks what cards in the deck and what power lvl is the deck do you have any proxies in the deck if everyone agrees with everything then their should be no truoble using a proxie or turn 1 wins or fast mana i know i have mox dimaond in one of my decks and if i need another one i juust going to proxies it just because i dont have to go throw all my decks then waste time to find out what card to take out when the proxie does it for me
Just play the Broken Commander format in whatever way you and your group finds fun. Don't make pedantic rules to persecute your friends. So many,
"You can do a proxy if you own the card."
It's not like you are going to check their personal belongings to see if they own said cards. It just sounds... ridiculously childish. Especially considering we have a global cost of living crisis and employees (Habro/WOTC included) losing their jobs. Peace.
im currently building my first edh deck with indom, and things like rhystic study and the tutors just make it so expensive. ive found budget alternatives for many cards but key ones like that im going to proxy. I dont think a barrier of entry to edh should be prices of certain cards so i fully support them. No one wants to pay 300 dollars for a dual land.
Bonus: Decks are more fun without Rhystic Studies and similar staples. Best of luck on building a fun and synergistic deck:)
My decks usually cost about 150€. But then I proxy the 10 Most expensive cards and only pay around 50€ for a new deck. The other 10 cards I might buy If I really enjoy playing them.
And noone ever notices or complains about the 10% proxies. But of course I don't hide the fact I use a couple of proxies.
@@unything2696 yeah i havent included a ton of the best tutors like vampiric and demonic just so the deck isnt like crazy strong as compared to my friends, but card draw feels so necessary. yeah currently after buying some lands from my local card shop the deck cost is around $90 without rhystic. Thanks for the advice!
You don’t proxy outside of 2 things
If your proxy’s are out of power level or if you couldn’t afford the proxies, there’s no reason your Precon needs a demonic tutor or your “high” power decks to run a cradle if you wouldn’t buy one
@TheCommandersQuarters You need to make a clear distinction between proxies and counterfeits to your viewers. I understand what you’re doing here with encouraging enjoyers to make their own proxies, but folks are taking it as free rein to make, obtain, and play with counterfeits. These counterfeits inevitably make it into the secondary market and innocent purchasers and even sellers end up getting scammed. I define counterfeits as copies of legitimate cards that make no effort to distinguish that they are inauthentic. Respectfully, a viewer of your channel.
I can save u 30 mins JUST PRINT IT
We have a few house rules:
You can only proxy up to three cards in a deck
You can only proxy cards you own even if they are in another deck
i have made my own tokens but i bought proxcies before for stuff that goes i the 99 or in one deck the commander edgar since im not paying 80-100 plus for 1 card.
i have my personal rule of 3 proxcies per deck not counting lands so the decks are not OP.
Primero, que loco
That video could have been less than 10 min
If it was not for all the boring watering down to make it look like a longer content and maybe hit monetised sweetspots that way
I used to be a fan of this channel it used to be great _ not worth it anymore ..... another one bites the dust