Essendon did extremely well in my opinion. Two first picks and 2 second picks ready for next year. Alot of new stock came in this draft. And if Draper goes to Adelaide, another 1st and 2nd pick for him. Essendon will load up again next year. Matt Rosa is doing great already as the clubs new recruiter.
Another factor that people are not considering is that with the change in FS and Academy bidding next year, Essendon are in a good position to turn their 2 Future seconds into another first round pick. Essendon could end up with 3 first round picks. Rosa turned a first and a second into 5 players (one in each round) and move both picks fed a year. Give it a few years and I expect people will look back on 2024 and see that this draft was the beginning of Essendon’s rise.
I really liked some of your thoughts about this as a non-essendon supporter. I don't think that the bombers will get worse in 2025, but there's a high possibility that other teams will get better which will make them seem worse. I think I'm quite unbiased towards Essendon as a supporter of them, but Nick Bryan is about to flourish and Sam Draper won't be leaving the bombers. The draft hand we picked this year was smarter than it has been for a while. We have a decent hand next year as Melbourne haven't been up to par plus the extra random picks that we've got. 2026 is going to be the year where people start to believe in the essendon bombers.
Yeah see that’s a good way of looking at it other teams might just go past em but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve gotton worst and they might just play a tone more young players
Good chance honestly. He’s a very good athlete, early prediction falls somewhere around pick 5-10. Very versatile, possibly that bugger bodied mid that we’ve been looking for.
Like idea and direction Essendon has taken in 2024 draft. Tim Watson, returned in 1993, and to have his talent and experience was a great move for Baby Bombers.
Understand trading Draper however wouldn’t surprise me if he kicked 30-40 goals up fwd. Hard for teams to match up on and gives Caddy second- third tall defender. Need to think of Draper as a fwd.
If anyone is gonna leave next year it is gonna be sammy drapes through free agency. He is primary ruck but we’ve got vigo visentini developing, nick bryan (who is our talented ruck) making his name known and kayle gerryn now through the draft. I doubt we take another ruck. (Edit because I think I should clarify that I HIGHLY doubt he leaves for adelaide. At most he leaves to another victoria club, but if he is offered a contract by essendon pretty certain he takes unless someone offers him something crazy) Parish might go (please god let it be so) Peter wright If we somehow don’t play the kids you can bet that elijah tsatas is out. If I had to bet money on next years draft, I’d say we are looking for a star midfielder (pretty much guaranteed) and a real star defender (most likely because our current defenders are injury prone.)
Hot and cold sums it up. Good draft picks, get some structure, commitment, system and fitness into players could do OK. Anymore Massimo like players for the Hawks?
I’d of liked for them to have kept pick 9, but I think dees would’ve bid on him to spite them for not trading the pick to them and I’m doing so voiding the pick anyways.
I think you're seeing frustration from Essendon fans. They were used to success, having a big zone formerly and paying more than other clubs... plus big dollar recruiting in the 80s. But they haven't been a well run club for quite a while. Sheedy's loss was a massive loss, plus the drug issue discussion and bans. The evidence of the club being in denial was how they treated Worsfold. He had the club stable and improving. but all the old former players wanted him out for the "superior coach" Ben Rutten, who had never coached before. So Rutten came in and then straight out. Now Brad Scott. Really they have to rebuild again. The club needs to become professional again. They can't rely on cheque book and a superior zone to buy success.
Worsfold coached for five years and that is a good run for someone who was well over his time. It's Rutten that was dealt with poorly but if either of them were good, how is it that they never got the main gig after they left Essendon? The rebuild should have started a long time ago, starting with firing the worst list manager, Adrian Dodoro. Not solely to blame for Essendon's downfall, but certainly contributed to the clown show the club turned into.
@@Alby911 Rutten was supposed to be some outstanding coach that was superior to Worsfold. Doesn't look like it. A wise club would have kept a steady hand in command and grown the club gradually. Woosha took Essendon from a very low ebb. The club thought they were further ahead with talent and culture than they were. Woosha has retired from senior coaching. He has a lot of business interests and coaching was just a passion after the West Coast gig.
@@BDub2024 - There was nothing to suggest Rutten was superior nor did he really get a chance to prove otherwise. Worsfold was past his best and not helped by joining a broken club. Rutten was appointed without due process and neither coach was ever going to take the club further; certainly not without Barham finally realizing it was time to get his hands dirty. At least they managed to make finals but the issues run much deeper than just hanging onto Worsfold or Rutten
@@Alby911 The club thought it was better than it was and got ahead of itself. Probably in hindsight they needed to keep Worsfold and surround him with some outstanding talent. Go overs with the soft cap. Mind you, he was probably ready to ease back to his businesses anyway.
@@BDub2024 - How do you surround Worsfold with outstanding talent when Dodoro was at the helm? I doubt Worsfold would be dumb enough to coach that long, just to see if the list would actually improve. Worsfold's contribution was OK in trying circumstance, but it was never ever going to go beyond that finals loss.
Whoever thought that Sam Mitchell would be traded from Hawthorn (and Hodge and Lewis) whoever thought Gary bloody Ablett would leave Geelong for Sunny Queensland? Bolton to Freeoh! What does this mean? It means that if Sam Draper wants to go to who cares where, simply hand him over for a first round pick then move on. While they're at it, they can send Parish down the road as well, in an ideal world... Parish would have been down the road already (while he's still worth a dollar.)
Nah mate your wrong there was heavy speculation Saints where going to bid on Kako at no.8 had of essendon kept it's pick 9 nothing to do with Dodoro at all 😂
Essendon's draft is the hardest team to judge. I felt like they made a mistake trading pick 9, as it panned out with Kako he made it past that pick. I feel like if their team started to play as a proper team, they'd probably go alright, but they'res so many good sides right now. Brisbane Lions will probably back it up next year. McClugagge, Neale, Dunkley and now 2x Ashcrofts, unstoppable
It really isn't hard to judge. Here's the alternative: Xavier Lindsay, Kako and a deficit going into next years draft. Those two are not enough to fill gaping holes on the list. Now compare it to: Kako and 5 new players and a very good hand for 2025 draft. Obviously we don't know how good these draftess are going to be, but at least it shows Rosa is trying to build a solid foundation, instead of banking it on two stars from this years draft.
There’s no way Kako would have got to pick 11 (where theit pick ended up) if they hadn’t traded. Cal Twomey had the Saints bidding on Kako until Essendon and the Saints did a pick swap right before the draft started
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Essendon did extremely well in my opinion. Two first picks and 2 second picks ready for next year. Alot of new stock came in this draft. And if Draper goes to Adelaide, another 1st and 2nd pick for him. Essendon will load up again next year. Matt Rosa is doing great already as the clubs new recruiter.
Totally agree. The Draper move will juice it up & I think Parish should also be traded.
@@zingleraster9124 100% on Parish.
Yeah I agree with that good call
Another factor that people are not considering is that with the change in FS and Academy bidding next year, Essendon are in a good position to turn their 2 Future seconds into another first round pick. Essendon could end up with 3 first round picks.
Rosa turned a first and a second into 5 players (one in each round) and move both picks fed a year. Give it a few years and I expect people will look back on 2024 and see that this draft was the beginning of Essendon’s rise.
Well done mate you summed that up well .
Thanks Peter appreciate it
I really liked some of your thoughts about this as a non-essendon supporter. I don't think that the bombers will get worse in 2025, but there's a high possibility that other teams will get better which will make them seem worse.
I think I'm quite unbiased towards Essendon as a supporter of them, but Nick Bryan is about to flourish and Sam Draper won't be leaving the bombers. The draft hand we picked this year was smarter than it has been for a while. We have a decent hand next year as Melbourne haven't been up to par plus the extra random picks that we've got. 2026 is going to be the year where people start to believe in the essendon bombers.
Yeah see that’s a good way of looking at it other teams might just go past em but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve gotton worst and they might just play a tone more young players
I wonder if Essendon will add another Duursma through the draft
Good chance honestly. He’s a very good athlete, early prediction falls somewhere around pick 5-10. Very versatile, possibly that bugger bodied mid that we’ve been looking for.
Yeah he might be Richmond bound too
Like idea and direction Essendon has taken in 2024 draft.
Tim Watson, returned in 1993, and to have his talent and experience was a great move for Baby Bombers.
I think they might surprise us with improvement with in ....
I understand your thinking they are always an interesting watch ....
Understand trading Draper however wouldn’t surprise me if he kicked 30-40 goals up fwd. Hard for teams to match up on and gives Caddy second- third tall defender. Need to think of Draper as a fwd.
Have you seen him kick for goal, he would need to have 240 shots at goal to kick 40-odd.
They traded future 3rd, 4ths for current 3rd and 4ths and some how got the saints F2nd as well Idk how you can h8 on that!
If anyone is gonna leave next year it is gonna be sammy drapes through free agency. He is primary ruck but we’ve got vigo visentini developing, nick bryan (who is our talented ruck) making his name known and kayle gerryn now through the draft. I doubt we take another ruck. (Edit because I think I should clarify that I HIGHLY doubt he leaves for adelaide. At most he leaves to another victoria club, but if he is offered a contract by essendon pretty certain he takes unless someone offers him something crazy)
Parish might go (please god let it be so)
Peter wright
If we somehow don’t play the kids you can bet that elijah tsatas is out.
If I had to bet money on next years draft, I’d say we are looking for a star midfielder (pretty much guaranteed) and a real star defender (most likely because our current defenders are injury prone.)
Agree. Trade out Wright, Draper & Parish.
We also have a potential top 10 pick father son in 2027 by the name of Cody Bewick, son of Darren.
Yeah I think Draper is a big chance to leave teams are always looking for a ruck
Hot and cold sums it up. Good draft picks, get some structure, commitment, system and fitness into players could do OK. Anymore Massimo like players for the Hawks?
If melbourne go to shit next year which is a serious possibility they will look like geniuses.
Yeah exactly right
I’d of liked for them to have kept pick 9, but I think dees would’ve bid on him to spite them for not trading the pick to them and I’m doing so voiding the pick anyways.
Not just kako for us that we got some of them other boys could be guns.....remember hirdy was pick 79😮go boys paying well for flag
Weak draft or not, the top 8 in 2025 will be strong and that’s whereabouts Essendon’s 2 First Round picks will probably land.
I think you're seeing frustration from Essendon fans. They were used to success, having a big zone formerly and paying more than other clubs... plus big dollar recruiting in the 80s. But they haven't been a well run club for quite a while. Sheedy's loss was a massive loss, plus the drug issue discussion and bans. The evidence of the club being in denial was how they treated Worsfold. He had the club stable and improving. but all the old former players wanted him out for the "superior coach" Ben Rutten, who had never coached before. So Rutten came in and then straight out. Now Brad Scott. Really they have to rebuild again. The club needs to become professional again. They can't rely on cheque book and a superior zone to buy success.
Worsfold coached for five years and that is a good run for someone who was well over his time. It's Rutten that was dealt with poorly but if either of them were good, how is it that they never got the main gig after they left Essendon?
The rebuild should have started a long time ago, starting with firing the worst list manager, Adrian Dodoro. Not solely to blame for Essendon's downfall, but certainly contributed to the clown show the club turned into.
@@Alby911 Rutten was supposed to be some outstanding coach that was superior to Worsfold. Doesn't look like it. A wise club would have kept a steady hand in command and grown the club gradually. Woosha took Essendon from a very low ebb. The club thought they were further ahead with talent and culture than they were. Woosha has retired from senior coaching. He has a lot of business interests and coaching was just a passion after the West Coast gig.
@@BDub2024 - There was nothing to suggest Rutten was superior nor did he really get a chance to prove otherwise. Worsfold was past his best and not helped by joining a broken club. Rutten was appointed without due process and neither coach was ever going to take the club further; certainly not without Barham finally realizing it was time to get his hands dirty.
At least they managed to make finals but the issues run much deeper than just hanging onto Worsfold or Rutten
@@Alby911 The club thought it was better than it was and got ahead of itself. Probably in hindsight they needed to keep Worsfold and surround him with some outstanding talent. Go overs with the soft cap. Mind you, he was probably ready to ease back to his businesses anyway.
@@BDub2024 - How do you surround Worsfold with outstanding talent when Dodoro was at the helm? I doubt Worsfold would be dumb enough to coach that long, just to see if the list would actually improve. Worsfold's contribution was OK in trying circumstance, but it was never ever going to go beyond that finals loss.
Whoever thought that Sam Mitchell would be traded from Hawthorn (and Hodge and Lewis) whoever thought Gary bloody Ablett would leave Geelong for Sunny Queensland? Bolton to Freeoh!
What does this mean?
It means that if Sam Draper wants to go to who cares where, simply hand him over for a first round pick then move on. While they're at it, they can send Parish down the road as well, in an ideal world... Parish would have been down the road already (while he's still worth a dollar.)
Nobody ranked Kako high enough to bid on but I think clubs would’ve to get back at all the years Dodoro was a nightmare to deal with haha
Nah mate your wrong there was heavy speculation Saints where going to bid on Kako at no.8 had of essendon kept it's pick 9 nothing to do with Dodoro at all 😂
Essendon's draft is the hardest team to judge. I felt like they made a mistake trading pick 9, as it panned out with Kako he made it past that pick. I feel like if their team started to play as a proper team, they'd probably go alright, but they'res so many good sides right now. Brisbane Lions will probably back it up next year. McClugagge, Neale, Dunkley and now 2x Ashcrofts, unstoppable
It really isn't hard to judge. Here's the alternative: Xavier Lindsay, Kako and a deficit going into next years draft. Those two are not enough to fill gaping holes on the list. Now compare it to: Kako and 5 new players and a very good hand for 2025 draft.
Obviously we don't know how good these draftess are going to be, but at least it shows Rosa is trying to build a solid foundation, instead of banking it on two stars from this years draft.
There’s no way Kako would have got to pick 11 (where theit pick ended up) if they hadn’t traded. Cal Twomey had the Saints bidding on Kako until Essendon and the Saints did a pick swap right before the draft started
Lots of good picks dont mean shit if you dont nail em! 5 top ten picks over three years and not one a jet at this stage. Not good enough.
All these so called experts. Keyboard warriors hiding away in a dark room with no windows and a pot plant. Go Dons.🔴⚫️
As long as people are civilized, it's fine. That's what open forums are for, sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't. Just a bit of fun to let off steam