From an ironman perspective, I love necromancy. My issue is with the other styles. Getting BiS with other styles takes an extremely long time. Melee is especially bad due to switches but also abilities that aren't unlocked by levelling, only as luck based drops from bosses, meaning you could maybe just never get them. The other styles need a path to at least close to BiS through levelling and creating your own gear like Necro has. Unfortunately the ship has sailed for ability upgrades as boss drops, which I firmly believe was a mistake. Obviously this is not the same for main accounts, but at the same time is buying abilities off the G.E instead of earning them through the combat skill itself really a satisfying gameplay mechanic?
As a returning player after 5 years of not playing. I LOVE NECRO Combat!!! Still have lots to learn with bossing as I’m new to it and revo bar has helped a lot while I learn “mechanics” i also found it’s more forgiving when I mess up like for instance in kerepac. It feels like I can build back up faster than magic or melee 🤷🏻♂️🤣
@@jarvis4584 I got 1 year mem for Xmas and boy was it a good one because this game has been updated a whole ton and everything feels so much “easier” specially with afk skills lol so long cod rs3 im back baby!!! 🫡🤷🏻♂️🤣
This is great to hear, glad to see necromancy is helping other with learning pvm! 100% it is more forgiving, I've experienced it myself and fully agree with that. The issue for me is that I've been using it since December and getting bored with using the same style all the time.
I played Destiny 2 before I played RS. I'm familiar with the flavor of the week degenerate meta (degenerate in analogy to math: change some measure of a complex thing until you get a simple thing, like a triangle flattening into a line. Similarly, give everything to a single combat style and the choice between styles becomes a non-choice if you want to be optimal). I never liked it in that game, didn't like it in this game. Didn't use magic much during the magic meta, never had the slightest interest in necro after I saw it for what it was. I play games to challenge myself, otherwise I don't see the point. I stuck to my vestments and lengs even before the combat update.
had a maxxed main and even better iron on rs3 but after seeing the lack of updates and just overall transparency with the game i stopped playing, tried osrs but its just not the same
Not just combat, but also the content. No need to learn to flick when haunt gives you all the passive sustain you need. No need to learn the bosses, when the rasial rotation kills them all. No need to do 90% of bosses, because the drops are worthless thanks to Necro.
@@TubbzRS GWD2 was probably the largest casualty, since nobody uses any of the gear to get into pvm anymore and you can revo it in necro welfare gear where previously people at least felt they needed cryptbloom (gano with animate dead was honestly plenty tbh). But other massively deprecated examples include Raksha (both gchain and grico, gchain especially given that it's baseline with necro and stronger), ED3 (necro has split soul for free and unlike blackstone hearts and ancient scales, ED3 doesn't *have* anything else) and all of EGWD3 minus zamorak has taken an incredibly significant hit to demand for the drops, with the notable exception of Jas pages. That's more dead bossing content than the entirety of bossing content introduced with necro + almost a year since, now. It's not a new problem. Magister was 100% dead content ever since Arch Glacor. (Plus, y'know. Turning the spirit seed drop at Raksha from good to worse than stone spirits.) Paradoxically, Araxxor is actually doing better because new necromancers want noxious comps and Necro does so much damage that the lowest common denominator is suiciding on mirrorbacks & web faster than the ghost can heal with revo. Having a longer, more varied treadmill is not a black mark against an MMO. I don't understand who was advocating for skipping to endgame drought.
EOFs ruin Rs3, the price of everything is insane. What am I working towards a worse kill time just to play melee or range or mage? When necromancy is cheap and easy to use. It’s easy to use BECAUSE jagex updated the way they created combat, the recent combat update was literally a piece of tape trying to hold 2 bricks together from falling apart. Melee range and magic NEEEDED updates now, why do wands have no specs, melee and range have them except magic duals and most magic staffs suck. RuneScape 3 is on life support I feel like the combat update just opened the curtain and now ppl see shit this game is made overly hard because it’s cool????? I’m sorry us adults don’t have 20hra a day to max or grind and learn every boss. Necro is the first combat style that makes sense and is used by basically everyone, it’s because it’s up to date and was worked on for months to a year before release. Not hey let’s have the best pvmers give us feedback about combat and we’re going to save the day lmfsooooo wtf did you do? Swirchcape is still around, I need 20 eofs with older weapons only for the special attack?????? wtf is going on jagex is catering to the rich. 95% of the player base can’t afford 5 eofs lets alone the 1-2b weapons to throw away into them. It should have an interface that can absorb idk 15 weapons and you can swap accordingly. The game isn’t fun. No new gear comes out if it does it’s 10b we get 1 new weapon a year and soon we’ll be at t99 weapons like stop the power creep use older weapons to force players to go back and have to farm them or buy them. The SGB (Seren god bow) should’ve been a item needed to upgrade to the bow of the gods, zammy drops some special string you attach to sgb and boom you have your new t95 bow but no kill older tiers who cares. The more you make this game for the top 5% the closer that dial gets to 0 on rs3 and it’s sad but 100% true. This game has TOO many issues and no one working on it. And I’ll attacked by the 5% and randoms but saying the truth out loud is me trying to save the game. The people who sit quietly with their 1 trilllion banks are the players jagex works for, and it’s sad.
Meh, honestly when it boils down to it as long as you take more of a deep dive into actually learning boss/ability mechanics gear doesn't really matter. Good example of this is like when the RSGuy killed rax with absolutely nothing. I think the broader issue with the games combat system is peoples inability to actually learn how to use the combat system. Most people just want a revo bar and be over with it, which in most cases work and Necromancy did a great job with that. Necromancy was the answer to getting people into pvm without having to get sweaty. That being said, the main way I look at it is the more knowledge and skill you have gear nor combat style matters. The less knowledge and skill you have getting better armor and using a more lacks combat style should get you through.
Jesus christ wtf is that magic rotation :D Use reaver's ring to get more adren from more crits on time strikes, and Iban staff is the best adre dump currently unless your damage is boosted (like at raksha).
You do not need best in slot for other styles to do high-end PVM content. I have never had best in slot in any combat style and I've done most high-end PVM content. Telling people that they need billions of GP in order to use another combat style effectively is the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish with this video, I think.
Honestly, I had quite a hard time trying to put this video together in the way I imagined it in my head and still couldn't even up figuring out the perfect way to do it so, I went with what I felt was the best I could come up with. After re-watching it, I think I make a good point about the BIS combat gear being expensive but realistically I think I should of dove into that section more and probably explained more in terms of the context; where 10b ranged is what actually out dps' necromancy & tried to encourage people to not worry about that and not worry about BIS if they want to try another combat style. (So, basically you're right, the point i was trying to get get across, I also messed it up xD)
@@TubbzRS in that case I agree with all your points! If you care for any advice, I've made a lot of videos (not for my personal channel, but for professional work), and storyboarding as well as some very light scripting helps me make sure I keep myself from going off the rails. It also keeps my editing time down since I don't have to sort through an unplanned mess of footage!
If you use Abilities as intended Mage, Range and Melee all out DPS Necromancy now. By a large margin. Yes it require more clicks, more attention to details. Necro is more layed back now. Are you looking DPS or ease?
@@min7sharp5 why should I? Who are you to decide what game other people play you absolute specimen 😂 what on earth makes you think you’ve got the right to choose what other people play? It’s genuinely baffling how opinionated some of you osrs players are. We don’t want to play your bot infested point and click simulator 😂
For me i really like necromancy just because well i suck at pvm and i absolut hate switch scape, with necro have been able to learn new bosses and stuff but i am just your average revolution pvm enjoyer :D
To be honestly, necromancy is what the other styles should be. many of the differences is what people complained about in the past with switchscape being the most common complaint
I think that switchscape is more of a perceived problem than a real one for most players. They see some video of someone speedrunning a boss and doing all kinds of complicated stuff and they assume that that is what you have to do just to get a kill. It may look that way to someone who's never killed that boss before, but in reality you can do just fine camping your weapons and using sensible rotations. There are surprising number of people not even using invention perks or using the wrong ones. If people just focused on the basics like that first and quit looking at speedrunners with APM counters like that's the normal expectation, they would be surprised at how much they can do with very little sweat, let alone weapon and armor switching.
Lol the lazy no do-ers say this. Jagex released the avg levels of osrs players compared to rs3 players and yall are just sad and lazy and dont want to actually play the game lmao, jagex straight up said osrs players just dont have that " umph " yall just want to click and watch the game play for you. Rs3 is just a flat out better game
@@Phillyhurtswhile I've never seen Jagex claim any of this, it wouldn't be surprising if the average rs3 players average levels far exceeded one from osrs. Osrs, depending on the skill, can be many of orders of magnitude slower and features a lot more monotonous grinds that rs3 has phased out or sped up. Chalking it up to laziness is pretty accusatory and further sows division between the two games. Both games are great for their own reason. Both games have dedicated player bases. Some of the craziest most dedicated shit I've ever seen has come from osrs. Maybe go watch some Settled :) because I think you have the wrong impression of the game.
@@Phillyhurts obviously the average levels are gonna be higher in rs3...combat level is higher, total level is higher, every skill is like 1 trillion xp per hour...
@@Phillyhurts Since were gonna talk about people not wanting to play the game, what the difference in playerbases between the two...? For good reason.
Old school player here, is this even Runescape? What are all those buttons? There's like 50 buttons on your screen, just stop, get some help modern Runescape.
I just prefer my click-to-move games to have no ability bars, I'd be all for ability bars, if WASD movement was implemented. Just feels too clunky. OSRS is how combat should be done in a click-to-move game.
oldschool is easier than revolution in Rs3 half the time runelite does everything. gives you all the info you need, gives info to pray flick, where to stand. your basically a bot following a program of what to do in any combat. the game is very mediocre for actual combat. if runelite was gone half the players couldnt kill bosses. most osrs people complained when nex was in the game becasue it has a stun. they refuse to play RS3 for bossing and state "pay to win" yet it has the same in oldschool with bonds. treasure hunter only impacts personal skills, being maxed is a thing of the past it doesnt make you good at bossing, neither does having gear. this is from a player who has tons of hours in both versions and id pick RS3 combat anytime. PVP is dead in oldschool and has been in RS3 a long time. bossing in oldschool is like training a toddler to walk but rs3 is climbing a mountain. having buttons to press isnt what makes rs3 difficullt. osrs is for those who wont adapt to change because its too difficult for them
i love necro tho main reason i came back to rs3
whats with the normal overloads? you have the level for adren pots aha
From an ironman perspective, I love necromancy. My issue is with the other styles. Getting BiS with other styles takes an extremely long time. Melee is especially bad due to switches but also abilities that aren't unlocked by levelling, only as luck based drops from bosses, meaning you could maybe just never get them. The other styles need a path to at least close to BiS through levelling and creating your own gear like Necro has. Unfortunately the ship has sailed for ability upgrades as boss drops, which I firmly believe was a mistake. Obviously this is not the same for main accounts, but at the same time is buying abilities off the G.E instead of earning them through the combat skill itself really a satisfying gameplay mechanic?
As a returning player after 5 years of not playing. I LOVE NECRO Combat!!! Still have lots to learn with bossing as I’m new to it and revo bar has helped a lot while I learn “mechanics” i also found it’s more forgiving when I mess up like for instance in kerepac. It feels like I can build back up faster than magic or melee 🤷🏻♂️🤣
me to i came back after 3 years and was quite surprised with it im enjoying it
@@jarvis4584 I got 1 year mem for Xmas and boy was it a good one because this game has been updated a whole ton and everything feels so much “easier” specially with afk skills lol so long cod rs3 im back baby!!! 🫡🤷🏻♂️🤣
This is great to hear, glad to see necromancy is helping other with learning pvm! 100% it is more forgiving, I've experienced it myself and fully agree with that. The issue for me is that I've been using it since December and getting bored with using the same style all the time.
I played Destiny 2 before I played RS. I'm familiar with the flavor of the week degenerate meta (degenerate in analogy to math: change some measure of a complex thing until you get a simple thing, like a triangle flattening into a line. Similarly, give everything to a single combat style and the choice between styles becomes a non-choice if you want to be optimal). I never liked it in that game, didn't like it in this game. Didn't use magic much during the magic meta, never had the slightest interest in necro after I saw it for what it was. I play games to challenge myself, otherwise I don't see the point. I stuck to my vestments and lengs even before the combat update.
had a maxxed main and even better iron on rs3 but after seeing the lack of updates and just overall transparency with the game i stopped playing, tried osrs but its just not the same
I gotta be honest.... this combat skill ruined combat.
Not just combat, but also the content.
No need to learn to flick when haunt gives you all the passive sustain you need.
No need to learn the bosses, when the rasial rotation kills them all.
No need to do 90% of bosses, because the drops are worthless thanks to Necro.
I'd like to know which bosses you feel have worthless drops tbh. Ranged is incredibly expensive, melee and mage are also well over 3-4b each also
@@TubbzRS GWD2 was probably the largest casualty, since nobody uses any of the gear to get into pvm anymore and you can revo it in necro welfare gear where previously people at least felt they needed cryptbloom (gano with animate dead was honestly plenty tbh).
But other massively deprecated examples include Raksha (both gchain and grico, gchain especially given that it's baseline with necro and stronger), ED3 (necro has split soul for free and unlike blackstone hearts and ancient scales, ED3 doesn't *have* anything else) and all of EGWD3 minus zamorak has taken an incredibly significant hit to demand for the drops, with the notable exception of Jas pages.
That's more dead bossing content than the entirety of bossing content introduced with necro + almost a year since, now.
It's not a new problem. Magister was 100% dead content ever since Arch Glacor. (Plus, y'know. Turning the spirit seed drop at Raksha from good to worse than stone spirits.)
Paradoxically, Araxxor is actually doing better because new necromancers want noxious comps and Necro does so much damage that the lowest common denominator is suiciding on mirrorbacks & web faster than the ghost can heal with revo.
Having a longer, more varied treadmill is not a black mark against an MMO. I don't understand who was advocating for skipping to endgame drought.
answer is no. necro was DESIGN for new player. it so pose to easy and simple.
EOFs ruin Rs3, the price of everything is insane. What am I working towards a worse kill time just to play melee or range or mage? When necromancy is cheap and easy to use. It’s easy to use BECAUSE jagex updated the way they created combat, the recent combat update was literally a piece of tape trying to hold 2 bricks together from falling apart. Melee range and magic NEEEDED updates now, why do wands have no specs, melee and range have them except magic duals and most magic staffs suck. RuneScape 3 is on life support I feel like the combat update just opened the curtain and now ppl see shit this game is made overly hard because it’s cool????? I’m sorry us adults don’t have 20hra a day to max or grind and learn every boss. Necro is the first combat style that makes sense and is used by basically everyone, it’s because it’s up to date and was worked on for months to a year before release. Not hey let’s have the best pvmers give us feedback about combat and we’re going to save the day lmfsooooo wtf did you do? Swirchcape is still around, I need 20 eofs with older weapons only for the special attack?????? wtf is going on jagex is catering to the rich. 95% of the player base can’t afford 5 eofs lets alone the 1-2b weapons to throw away into them. It should have an interface that can absorb idk 15 weapons and you can swap accordingly. The game isn’t fun. No new gear comes out if it does it’s 10b we get 1 new weapon a year and soon we’ll be at t99 weapons like stop the power creep use older weapons to force players to go back and have to farm them or buy them. The SGB (Seren god bow) should’ve been a item needed to upgrade to the bow of the gods, zammy drops some special string you attach to sgb and boom you have your new t95 bow but no kill older tiers who cares. The more you make this game for the top 5% the closer that dial gets to 0 on rs3 and it’s sad but 100% true. This game has TOO many issues and no one working on it. And I’ll attacked by the 5% and randoms but saying the truth out loud is me trying to save the game. The people who sit quietly with their 1 trilllion banks are the players jagex works for, and it’s sad.
Nah, I like the update. My friends do, too.
I stopped playing since necromancy came out
Meh, honestly when it boils down to it as long as you take more of a deep dive into actually learning boss/ability mechanics gear doesn't really matter.
Good example of this is like when the RSGuy killed rax with absolutely nothing.
I think the broader issue with the games combat system is peoples inability to actually learn how to use the combat system. Most people just want a revo bar and be over with it, which in most cases work and Necromancy did a great job with that.
Necromancy was the answer to getting people into pvm without having to get sweaty.
That being said, the main way I look at it is the more knowledge and skill you have gear nor combat style matters. The less knowledge and skill you have getting better armor and using a more lacks combat style should get you through.
combat was ruined before release, the numbers are too high for no reason
Yeah, it all went downhill since fsoa/gw3/senntisten or maybe even since grico on release and devs waiting a year to nerf it
Necromancy is the ‘revolution’ style combat I always wanted. You did not make the other combat styles sound fun 😅
Jesus christ wtf is that magic rotation :D Use reaver's ring to get more adren from more crits on time strikes, and Iban staff is the best adre dump currently unless your damage is boosted (like at raksha).
You spend more time playing the game how everyone else plays instead of just enjoying yourself lol
@@spartax8986 Ok, I was just trying to help.
You do not need best in slot for other styles to do high-end PVM content. I have never had best in slot in any combat style and I've done most high-end PVM content.
Telling people that they need billions of GP in order to use another combat style effectively is the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish with this video, I think.
Honestly, I had quite a hard time trying to put this video together in the way I imagined it in my head and still couldn't even up figuring out the perfect way to do it so, I went with what I felt was the best I could come up with.
After re-watching it, I think I make a good point about the BIS combat gear being expensive but realistically I think I should of dove into that section more and probably explained more in terms of the context; where 10b ranged is what actually out dps' necromancy & tried to encourage people to not worry about that and not worry about BIS if they want to try another combat style. (So, basically you're right, the point i was trying to get get across, I also messed it up xD)
@@TubbzRS in that case I agree with all your points!
If you care for any advice, I've made a lot of videos (not for my personal channel, but for professional work), and storyboarding as well as some very light scripting helps me make sure I keep myself from going off the rails. It also keeps my editing time down since I don't have to sort through an unplanned mess of footage!
Preach it Zach you can do all bosses with t90 gear. necromancy just made these guys not wanna try and learn because it’s “too hard”
Good vid brother
If you use Abilities as intended Mage, Range and Melee all out DPS Necromancy now. By a large margin. Yes it require more clicks, more attention to details. Necro is more layed back now. Are you looking DPS or ease?
No magic doesn’t out DPS necro now 😂it’s worst literally
@@Trinity_RS You obviously suck at RS lol. I bet you hate PvP also?
Mage camp is shit, you get 30 secs of good dps in 1 minute lmao... honestly they should just remove the cd from fsoa at this point.
Come to old-school let it die in peace
Osrs, where the only two mechanics in the game are prayer flicking and movement. Lol no thanks it’s way too brain dead of a game.
@@JaggyRSif that’s your argument then just go to WoW, a much better version of RS3 combat.
@@min7sharp5 why should I? Who are you to decide what game other people play you absolute specimen 😂 what on earth makes you think you’ve got the right to choose what other people play? It’s genuinely baffling how opinionated some of you osrs players are. We don’t want to play your bot infested point and click simulator 😂
@@min7sharp5who are you to decide what I should play lmao, you are a nobody random on RUclips
@@JaggyRS why are you so defensive dawg 😭😭 who are you
I feel like most comments are just osrs better and make all combat rotations easy, which I don't like
For me i really like necromancy just because well i suck at pvm and i absolut hate switch scape, with necro have been able to learn new bosses and stuff but i am just your average revolution pvm enjoyer :D
Enjoying it is all that matters 🙂🙌🏻
To be honestly, necromancy is what the other styles should be. many of the differences is what people complained about in the past with switchscape being the most common complaint
I think that switchscape is more of a perceived problem than a real one for most players. They see some video of someone speedrunning a boss and doing all kinds of complicated stuff and they assume that that is what you have to do just to get a kill. It may look that way to someone who's never killed that boss before, but in reality you can do just fine camping your weapons and using sensible rotations. There are surprising number of people not even using invention perks or using the wrong ones. If people just focused on the basics like that first and quit looking at speedrunners with APM counters like that's the normal expectation, they would be surprised at how much they can do with very little sweat, let alone weapon and armor switching.
Perhaps consider making some actual overloads instead of base ones before providing advice 👍
grow up elitist
EoC ruined combat
Lol the lazy no do-ers say this. Jagex released the avg levels of osrs players compared to rs3 players and yall are just sad and lazy and dont want to actually play the game lmao, jagex straight up said osrs players just dont have that " umph " yall just want to click and watch the game play for you. Rs3 is just a flat out better game
@@PhillyhurtsDamn! Where'd they post that? 😆😆😆
@@Phillyhurtswhile I've never seen Jagex claim any of this, it wouldn't be surprising if the average rs3 players average levels far exceeded one from osrs. Osrs, depending on the skill, can be many of orders of magnitude slower and features a lot more monotonous grinds that rs3 has phased out or sped up. Chalking it up to laziness is pretty accusatory and further sows division between the two games.
Both games are great for their own reason. Both games have dedicated player bases. Some of the craziest most dedicated shit I've ever seen has come from osrs. Maybe go watch some Settled :) because I think you have the wrong impression of the game.
@@Phillyhurts obviously the average levels are gonna be higher in rs3...combat level is higher, total level is higher, every skill is like 1 trillion xp per hour...
@@Phillyhurts Since were gonna talk about people not wanting to play the game, what the difference in playerbases between the two...? For good reason.
Make melee great again
all they need to do is buff the other combats alittle
Osrs for lyfe!!
Old school player here, is this even Runescape? What are all those buttons? There's like 50 buttons on your screen, just stop, get some help modern Runescape.
I just prefer my click-to-move games to have no ability bars, I'd be all for ability bars, if WASD movement was implemented. Just feels too clunky. OSRS is how combat should be done in a click-to-move game.
First :)
Just play old school 900% better.
I play both and it's not LOL
oldschool is easier than revolution in Rs3 half the time runelite does everything. gives you all the info you need, gives info to pray flick, where to stand. your basically a bot following a program of what to do in any combat. the game is very mediocre for actual combat. if runelite was gone half the players couldnt kill bosses.
most osrs people complained when nex was in the game becasue it has a stun. they refuse to play RS3 for bossing and state "pay to win" yet it has the same in oldschool with bonds.
treasure hunter only impacts personal skills, being maxed is a thing of the past it doesnt make you good at bossing, neither does having gear.
this is from a player who has tons of hours in both versions and id pick RS3 combat anytime. PVP is dead in oldschool and has been in RS3 a long time. bossing in oldschool is like training a toddler to walk but rs3 is climbing a mountain.
having buttons to press isnt what makes rs3 difficullt.
osrs is for those who wont adapt to change because its too difficult for them