Thank the Lord that we can see you again, dear sister, even more confirmed in faith and comforted in the love of Christ for the sake of His heart's plan, in which we all.❤
Yeah that was a great letter by the church in Hong Kong. They summed up a lot of things very well However still much of the idea behind a lot of what they’re saying is that the local church concept is Biblical in the first place. And I’m not convinced it is anymore
@@Just-n9x I agree. I believe this truly can be a factor of exclusion of believers - in actual attitude and practice and even belief - and NOT truly inclusion, as we were taught. And there is no teaching in the Bible that believers should only meet AS a church in each city. It could have very well been a practical way to refer to early believers, a type of address… God knows if at the heart of this teaching is actually control and financial motive and superiority and exclusion and the fruit is actually division and estrangement from “other” believers and an ability to hold devout believers hostage in an abusive setting who’ve been taught this….
@@Just-n9x They also quote Watchman Nee in a way that seems to have more clout that God’s Word… but at least they promote the reading of the Bible and not just reading what people - since the canonization of the Bible - have said/written.
And I quote these brothers too - but to hopefully show “followers” the inconsistency between even what they say they follow/practice and their actual practice…. And I think these Hong Kong brothers chose helpful quotes to corner anyone who restricts or is restricted to “one ministry “ as being a sect
Local Church is independent in terms of administration but local churches has only one flow of fellowship all over the world.Those who are oppossed of the flow of the ministry are those who worked independent and isolated.They are not for the building up of the body of Christ rather they stablished is their little empire or controlled by the elder of every locality.So claim that they are co- worker whom they are working.They just wanted to have their own territory.Thats the problems of not knowing the body and care for the body.And even no consciousness of the body.
@@HappyAurora-zi2jc so you are admitting the flow in the local churches, the flow of “fellowship” is the flow of “the ministry” - equated to the words of W. New and W. Lee. Those in your sect would agree. I and others would say that the flow among ALL believers and all churches is the flow of the Spirit. The oneness is not about one man’s ministry but the oneness of the Spirit. And such oneness is kept by taking care of our conscience, properly clearing up offenses that occur, scripturally dealing with sinning members, judging unrighteousness and embracing truth….
All words that comes out of the mouth of this woman is nothing to do with regards of spiritual helps and growth and maturity.Her words that comes out of her mouth defines what kind of person she is.
For me this woman was full of anxieties and no peace of mind and all of what she had are no essence of Christ and no life occurred.For me there's something wrong with this woman emotionally and spiritually.
Aurora, if you are really watching these videos, it is very unfortunate that you still do not have understanding and empathy for your sister, a woman who went through sexual, spiritual and domestic violence, like other believers in the "LR" community. Aurora, you have already been told that this is the solid food of righteousness in Christ. You can't handle it while you're inside under the influence of this cult. It seems that you still need only verbal milk for your spiritual growth, may the word of Christ richly inhabit you in all its wisdom. But it looks like you're just trying to discredit Ruth, and you're not succeeding.
For me this woman is full of boldness and assurance and what she has presented speaks to the presence of Christ in her life as she seeks justice and reconciliation. This woman bears psychological and spiritual scars, much like many of God’s people and especially many who escape The Lord’s Recovery, and to me it is clear that the Lord still uses the weak to confound the strong and the foolish to confound the wise. Those who would shame, shun, and harass a woman for speaking truth and seeking justice for physical, sexual, psychological, and spiritual abuse are, to me, among the most pathetic and disgusting human beings to draw breath.
@@HappyAurora-zi2jc I am READING a letter, a declaration, from ALL the elders and coworkers in the church in Hong Kong in 1991 about matters still unresolved. This is not about me.
@@ruthwise2159 Ruth, you are essentially asking a blind and deaf person to discern color and sound. It’s not going to happen. They’ve effectively gouged out their eyes and pierced their eardrums. They aren’t here to hear and to listen. They’re here to mock and exasperate you.
Thank the Lord that we can see you again, dear sister, even more confirmed in faith and comforted in the love of Christ for the sake of His heart's plan, in which we all.❤
@@HelenChikina I hope to see you, too, someday, dear sister.
Yeah that was a great letter by the church in Hong Kong. They summed up a lot of things very well
However still much of the idea behind a lot of what they’re saying is that the local church concept is Biblical in the first place. And I’m not convinced it is anymore
@@Just-n9x I agree. I believe this truly can be a factor of exclusion of believers - in actual attitude and practice and even belief - and NOT truly inclusion, as we were taught. And there is no teaching in the Bible that believers should only meet AS a church in each city. It could have very well been a practical way to refer to early believers, a type of address… God knows if at the heart of this teaching is actually control and financial motive and superiority and exclusion and the fruit is actually division and estrangement from “other” believers and an ability to hold devout believers hostage in an abusive setting who’ve been taught this….
@@Just-n9x They also quote Watchman Nee in a way that seems to have more clout that God’s Word… but at least they promote the reading of the Bible and not just reading what people - since the canonization of the Bible - have said/written.
And I quote these brothers too - but to hopefully show “followers” the inconsistency between even what they say they follow/practice and their actual practice…. And I think these Hong Kong brothers chose helpful quotes to corner anyone who restricts or is restricted to “one ministry “ as being a sect
So beautiful!!! ... and the reading is nice too!!
Local Church is independent in terms of administration but local churches has only one flow of fellowship all over the world.Those who are oppossed of the flow of the ministry are those who worked independent and isolated.They are not for the building up of the body of Christ rather they stablished is their little empire or controlled by the elder of every locality.So claim that they are co- worker whom they are working.They just wanted to have their own territory.Thats the problems of not knowing the body and care for the body.And even no consciousness of the body.
@@HappyAurora-zi2jc so you are admitting the flow in the local churches, the flow of “fellowship” is the flow of “the ministry” - equated to the words of W. New and W. Lee. Those in your sect would agree. I and others would say that the flow among ALL believers and all churches is the flow of the Spirit. The oneness is not about one man’s ministry but the oneness of the Spirit. And such oneness is kept by taking care of our conscience, properly clearing up offenses that occur, scripturally dealing with sinning members, judging unrighteousness and embracing truth….
All words that comes out of the mouth of this woman is nothing to do with regards of spiritual helps and growth and maturity.Her words that comes out of her mouth defines what kind of person she is.
For me this woman was full of anxieties and no peace of mind and all of what she had are no essence of Christ and no life occurred.For me there's something wrong with this woman emotionally and spiritually.
Aurora, if you are really watching these videos, it is very unfortunate that you still do not have understanding and empathy for your sister, a woman who went through sexual, spiritual and domestic violence, like other believers in the "LR" community.
Aurora, you have already been told that this is the solid food of righteousness in Christ. You can't handle it while you're inside under the influence of this cult.
It seems that you still need only verbal milk for your spiritual growth, may the word of Christ richly inhabit you in all its wisdom. But it looks like you're just trying to discredit Ruth, and you're not succeeding.
Same words back to u...do you feel it?
For me this woman is full of boldness and assurance and what she has presented speaks to the presence of Christ in her life as she seeks justice and reconciliation. This woman bears psychological and spiritual scars, much like many of God’s people and especially many who escape The Lord’s Recovery, and to me it is clear that the Lord still uses the weak to confound the strong and the foolish to confound the wise.
Those who would shame, shun, and harass a woman for speaking truth and seeking justice for physical, sexual, psychological, and spiritual abuse are, to me, among the most pathetic and disgusting human beings to draw breath.
@@HappyAurora-zi2jc I am READING a letter, a declaration, from ALL the elders and coworkers in the church in Hong Kong in 1991 about matters still unresolved. This is not about me.
@@ruthwise2159
Ruth, you are essentially asking a blind and deaf person to discern color and sound. It’s not going to happen.
They’ve effectively gouged out their eyes and pierced their eardrums. They aren’t here to hear and to listen. They’re here to mock and exasperate you.