The TRUE story of “The Miracle in the Cornfield” - Ural Flight 178
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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Within 90 seconds, Ural flight 178 went from taking off, to crash landing. Why were these pilots treated like heroes, and is it really what they deserved?
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Hilarious, I have listened and watched you twist yourself into a pretzel so you never, ever put any blame on pilots. I guess you don't feel the same way IF the pilots are Russian. LOL
Please do DHL 611 & BTC 2937 mid air collision 💥
Hi Captain, on timestamp 23:23, a dialogue subtitle belonging to 'Tower Control' is labeled as 'Phuket Approach' (magenta background, lower left corner), this is repeated several times until the end of the video. Other than that, keep up the awesome work, you guys are my main source of aviation understanding. I actually study your videos, going back and forth and pausing every time I need to understand some engineering or aviation detail. I enjoy my flights when I travel mostly because of your videos. Thanks a lot!!!❤🇺🇦
Petter, respectfully, whenever you use a (muzak) soundtrack, I tend to (have to) stop watching because I find it terribly distracting on YOUR videos. I can't be the only one who feels this way. Am I a minority?
Here's the sentence I didn't hear before: "The engine was subjected to more bird ingestion than it was certified for"... just like me during Sunday dinner😂😂
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That was funny Robski.😅😅
For the sake of variety, it really ought to be the case that both lambs and cows fly...Great comment
And pigs. Don't forget the pigs🤪🤪@@MichaelBrodie68
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I feel Airbus automation gets a bad reputation for not having the pilot fully in control, but this is one of those case-studies where I believe that limit to angle-of-attack actually saved the passengers
For every incident where an automated protection system made things worse there are 10 incidents that either would have been disasters or never even happened because of them... but we humans like our heroes and don't trust machines so the data never quite aligns with what we want to believe.
I flew a USAIRWAYS commuter just before they merged with American. We used to ask them about Sully, and they were admitted that he would have crashed that plane otherwise. That being said, Air France 447 Qantas 77 and a few others crashed or almost crashed because of that same system. It's had a lot of faults.
@@jhmcd2 AF447 definitely crashed not because of High AOA protection, because it was inactive due Alternate Law reconfiguration. They crashed because pilots were unable to recognise that stall upset they were in and recover correctly from it. Imperfect pitot tubes were just one hole in a cheese.
@@VergilAckerman was about to point out the same thing
Because we mostly tend to focus on serious incidents, we don't fully appreciate how much those automations help.
Your ability to explain and simplify Airbus systems whilst you're only rated on a Boeing 737 is underrated and you're probably explaining it better than some Airbus pilots. It goes to show the amount of work and research that goes into producing these high definition and quality videos that are unparalleled on RUclips spaces.
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He gets a lot of it wrong, though. In this video for example, he's confusing alpha floor, alpha protection, and alpha max. He used the wrong term basically every time.
@@ignorance72which one is which?
I'm at alpha male😂
@@thecomedypilot5894 A floor enables TO/GA mode bypassing all modes set manually in normal low. When the engines are damaged and the vib parameter goes off scale, then I do not know how this mode behaves, there is no information. In fact, the computer should switch to Alternate low. But there is no doubt that Airbus simply will not allow the pilot to disrupt the flow from the wings and fall off the pilot's pitch actions.
Seagulls: smart enough to learn to ignore bird scaring propane cannons. Dumb enough to fly directly into an oncoming airliner.
Well, to be fair, they likely don't realize that the engines suck in the air in front of them.
@@scifino1 They're also no match for the speed and size of an oncoming jet airliner.
Well, that's because of who had fly into an engine can't tell to others to not do this.)))
And that brings an idea. Put an engine cowling with a fan and simple electric motor running full speed near the runway. Let they learn what it is :)
@@hbh3144 Looks interesting actually))
A-321 be like.. “enough of this bullsi**.. I’ll handle this myself”
enough birdshit
Why does the plane not warn about the extended gear after such a long time in the air and increasing speed?
@@EgonWiPilot verification of gear position in such a situation is sooo basic. Might as well eliminate pilots if another warning or automation for that is felt necessary.
@@bw162 There were countless other incidents where pilots forgot to put the gear up discussed on this very channel
@@EgonWi Because of alarm/notification saturation. The pilots here were already failing to deal with the ECAM messages in this situation. Adding another would not have helped.
Not the first time an Airbus managed to land itself safely despite numerous efforts from the pilots to crash it...
Hahhaa
Everything that Boeing does, only in reverse
@@FELIPEFODAOBR12😂😂😂
@@FELIPEFODAOBR12 🤣🤣🤣
@@FELIPEFODAOBR12 That's not actually far from the truth, because Boeing's design philosophy (aside from that MCAS shit) is "pilot in final command". If a pilot wants to crash a Boeing, the Boeing would let it be crashed.
Russian civil aviation student here. We were analyzing the report ourselves during lessons and came to the same conclusions as Petter - pilots did everything possible to crash the plane. Funnily enough, our government even sponsored a film about this event, it came out last year. Me and several friends from my group were really excited to see how awful it would be - and it was awful indeed. Whoever wants to watch, the name is "На солнце, в полях кукурузы". Actual SVR178 captain starred in it.
English name?
@@user-gu8qi4me8x Wiki says it is "Emergency Landing"
@@user-gu8qi4me8x no such exists. Film was never dubbed to any language, as far as i know
@@tos1asolntsepek NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@user-gu8qi4me8x just copy pasta it.
@MentourPilot have you ever thought about ending the video with the simulation you show throughout the video but in real time? I'm always fascinated when you're telling part of the story for 10 or so minutes and then say all of this took place in just 12 seconds. It blows my mind how fast things happen. Love your ability to break things down so a non pilot can understand the inner workings. Keep up the great work.
Absolutely this - gets me every time 😅
good idea!
A-321: Well, Seymour, I made it... DESPITE your piloting.
LMFAO
"Is that your only remaining engine surging?" "No, its...the nice flambé we're having!"
@@Rasta8889 “it’s a Pratt and Whitney expression”
They should have tried to get some isometric exercise on the rudder pedals.
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24:29 Never ever I thought that I am going to hear Mentour Pilot swearing in Russian lol.
A true gentleman is someone who calls a bird "bird" even when it enters the engine of his airplane.
And with a really heavy accent, it sounds kinda funny
Paused to read comments to find exactly this HAHAHA
He will never understand what it means "to ruff your brass" (ёрш твою медь).
this was hilarious indeed
Mentour Pilot: “This detail is worth remembering.”
Me: rewinds 15 seconds and takes mad notes
got it
The true hero here is the Airbus 321 and the amazing engineers behind it, managing to land safely despite the pilot's best efforts to crash it!
And to the chef who came up with the recipe for roasted seagull with diced corncobs.
@@mocko69 this
This is why in Hungary on Budapest Airport they use trained hunting birds (falcons) to scare away birds from the airfield.
It's harder to "getting used to" something that eats you ;)
Ermm, i might have something wrong here, but aren't hunting birds dangerous for planes aswell?
Falcons are predators, they're smart enough to avoid engines.
@@KillertoastGaming they're trained dude, they get called back before any traffic. that's like saying "don't snowplows obstruct the runway?"
Many airports do.
I would gladly pay a Falconry Surcharge for my airplane tickets.
Turns out the real heroes were the flight control computers we had along the way.
I'd credit the programmers and designers of said flight control computers :)
In this incident our friends in Toulouse really saved the day.
@@justanotheraviator2357 Again!
IMO, they should install the same autoland system as they have on single pilot Cirrus jets. Just make sure pilots will go under scrutiny for using it to make sure they won't rely too much on it but still it could be a relief in case of pilot panic/confusion.
I was involved with the furnish and install of the Podium Glass at the Freedom Tower in NYC. During one of our meetings with the owner's representatives, our team provided documentation that a large Canada Goose, impacting the glass at top speed, could fracture their design; they were mortified! Never underestimate the power of a bird.
I think people forget that for some of these evaluations, it's not a pass fail. They're looking for any minute potential issue with you, which of course feels terrifying and awful. But in reality, they're not there to fail you or hound you, they're there to make sure your weaknesses are known and can be worked on. Thereby ensuring your own and everyone elses safety.
I think it's just hard for people to get out of that testing mindset. Like oh I better do this psych eval right or I might get a failing grade. They're just that, evaluations, not grades or scores.
How many flying hours did the Seagulls have?😂
Seagull flying or seagull monitoring?
Probably more then both pilots combined.
@@essiebessie661 Brilliant!!!😆
Yeah, and the type rating is also important - rated for just flying or flying-and-shitting mode also..? 😅
@@WoodFamilyRu 🤣😂
Clicked for Ural 178, watched for seagull facts
There is no such thing as miracles, just moments God missed the mark.
Seagulls are dumpster eagles
Despite living in a costal city and seeing seagulls just in a yard occasionally this is the first time saw fledglings. I guess they just as illusive as pigeon hatchlings
as a seabird rescuer for 20 years I can confirm they're very soft
@@MrMediator24 whaa-? They don't nest on your roofs and fall into the street on a daily basis in breeding season? I also live in a coastal city and see the fledglings all the time. They can't fly well and get run over frequently.
The captain of this flight actually decided to become a pilot at the age of 36, and was previously a lawyer :) Great video by the way, I had no idea about the real circumstances of this incident and I am from Russia.
Career change pilots are not very good in my experience
Of course you're not aware of the truth. Russia has no free press. They only regurgitate whatever Putin allows them to say. Whoever leaked this report is probably in a labor camp or 6 ft under.
@@fedorvoropaev9593 whose Crimea?
A lifelong friend of mine spent his commercial aviation career as Captain for Delta Airlines, flying Boeing 737s. He told me about one incident he experienced during takeoff from Miami. A pelican was sucked into the port engine during climbout, causing its thrust to immediately drop to zero. This was the coolest guy I have ever known, one whom anyone would want to be in charge during a completely unexpected and highly chaotic emergency. He would remain completely calm, and solve whatever problems arose until returning to safety. I've seen him do it in many other, non-flight situations. Anyway, he returned the plane to Miami without further incident...that his story revealed, though his low-key retell suggested there really were none. Once on the ground, he went to inspect the engine, and found that it was "completely destroyed", a description one would have to know this guy to appreciate. It had suffered an unconfined compressor and turbine disassembly, leaving only shattered junk hanging on the wing pylon. The description of the character of the pilot flying in this video is the polar opposite of my friend's, and I can see just how much difference the character (for lack of a better term) can make in such a very short event. Great video, as always!
So, nothing really happened then?💤💤
As a coastal Scottish woman, I appreciate the seagull facts. One of our seagulls in Aberdeen gained international meme fame for walking into shops and stealing bags of crisps (chips). They’re very smart and understand humans need to open the automatic doors so they can gain entry, all to steal crisps!
I've seen that video, absolutely amazing to hear that this is a reoccurring issue with this bird! Do they have a name? I'll definitely have to visit to meet this seagull!!!
I like the recent video where it steals an entire sausage roll from a guy’s hand when he turns his head for a split second.
I was a school secretary and seagulls descended at exactly 4 pm, when the last kid pulled away. The custodians had much less work to do because of them cleaning up the outside eating areas.
I’m also a hundred miles from an ocean; they’ll go anywhere for food.
@@MetsterAnn It is common for them to congregate towards the end of large events, quite how they work out when it is ending is something that needs study, because they arrive just before people start leaving.
Here in Sydney, Australia, we have several species of birds that recognise the audible door closing warnings on our public trains and they will jump on or off to travel by train to the next station. Pigeons are especially good at this. They will jump off the train, grab food or at least look for it and then jump back on as they hear the audible warning message play.
Incredible when you think about it.
Additional reason for slow rotation could be that they flew A321. In Russian companies there is a wide known and applicable technique to rotate slowly and hold a bit at pitch 7.5 on A321 to avoid tailstrike, though this is not an official procedure. And the fact that it took 3 years since the accident for the report to be written is pretty much self explaining. After pilots were honoured, authorities didn't really wanted to reveal the truth about "heroes", but we, the Russian pilot community, knew that it was an Airbus aircraft who saved the day. And because of this very attitude of the authorities this very same airline had another forced landing because of poor crew performance several years later. Looking forward for a video about that accident from Mentour team. And thanks for this one.
It doesn't really hurt anything to allow the "heroes" to be heroes.. Everyone DID survive, and injuries were nominal.
@@MarinCipollina Unfortunately, prematurely conferring the status of "heroes" on these pilots meant that lessons were not learned from the incident possibly resulting in future accidents in which people _were_ injured
@@rustybrand8103 Presumably pilots have been briefed on the report, even if not released to the public. At least I would hope so, not to do so would be highly irresponsible.
@@MarinCipollina This report by the MAKS was never officially published and in fact it was brave by the Investigators to write it after President Putin had honored these Pilots with the highest available Honor of the Russian Federation.
@@MarinCipollina / We're talking about Russia here. A country not known for it's stellar record of integrity or of taking responsibility. Putin let all the men on the Submarine Kursk drown rather than let the US help.
Cases like this are why I always feel safe when an A320 family aircraft rocks up at the gate. This heavily laden beauty landed in a cornfield, bounced across a ditch, and they still considered removing it for repair. Beautifully made machines.
For sure would not get this level of engineering in a Boeing.
4 years later another ural airlines plane landed in a field after runjing out of fuel, there was a final report released, but it was retracted quickly due to 'new evidence', but the original retracted report blamed the pilots mostly for miscalculating their fuel distance
Note to self: choosy fliers choose Airbus. I was unfamiliar with this accident. When you started talking about angle of attack, and the captain's inputs, my head went straight to the laws of physics, and I thought they were going to get so far behind the plane they'd stall it. Then you said alpha floor protection, and I was so relieved. Yes, Airbus was the real hero here. This accident radically changed my opinion on those protections.
Thanks for the great upload!
Airbus have their weakness too. Amongst those a tendency to stay on sidestick when that isn't enough, but yeah, Airbus Computer 1 - Pilots 0!
The Airbus stall protections were also crucial in saving the day during the “miracle on the Hudson”.
Look up Air France 296. The problem has never been fixed and is still in every Airbus jet. It's been linked to nearly 20 crashes. But it'd also responsible for the miracle on the Hudson.
@@jhmcd2 Which ones and what Problem exactly? Air France 296 was simply disregarding any safety rules in aviation and ups, they did crash. Yes, over the years, pilots did find many ways to pierce the protections. But where possible updates happen. But unless you want to remove the pilot altogether, pilots will keep finding ways to crash despite protections. Still, trying to autopilot a crippled craft, would likely lead to worse outcomes.
I think, and I may be wrong but, as I recall someone did the math about the number of people automation has "saved" and "killed" in airplane accidents, and the numbers roughly equal out.
Ok, so, I wasn't expecting mentor pilot swearing in Russian lol. Caught me off guard.X)
Haha! It has to be tried
Definitely that was not on my bingo lol!
@@MentourPilot nicely done, I have understood every word)
@@MentourPilot You should do this more often, it's very expressive no matter if you understand Russian, or not...😄
Starting 37:40 Phuket approach is answering😮
With the vast amount of information given in these videos, I'm convinced that after watching two or three more of them, I should be ready to apply for a pilot license.
Just make sure you never have Petter saying about one of your flights. "At this point, it was already too late"
Passengers wanting to continue on the next available flight is the most Russian thing ever.
On my birdstrike training instructor said “if it smells like fish it’s seagull, if it smells like chicken it’s another bird”
A'ight
Captain: why are you opening the window, what are you doing?
Me: Oh, I'm just gonna climb out real quick, try to get a whiff of the engine, gotta determine what bird it just sucked in.
@@Galatz_Tirah i'm assuming this is a joke but in case it's not, bleed air
So...all birds are "other birds" unless they smell of fish. The actual quote is hilarious!
I doubt you're even a pilot and definitely don't believe your 'instructor' said any such thing.
@@MichaelBrodie68 Let's go, let's confront a duck, that he is just "another bird" 😆.
In Soviet Russia, the plane flies you.
And thank goodness it does.
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Did you mean "In Soviet Russia, the French plane flies you"?
@@deadlymecuryAirbus is actually build by a couple of countries, mostly France, Spain, the UK and Germany.
Comment of the day
Birds have been flying for a lot longer than us.
It's good that they let us share their airspace.
Pilot error undoubtedly played a role in the crash landing, but let's not forget this all unfolded in a mere 90 seconds. We've spent the last 45 minutes dissecting every detail and misstep, making solutions seem clear-cut. But in the heat of the moment, under the immense pressure of a 90-second crisis, mistakes happen easily. This just highlights the need for continuous pilot training. The Airbus A321's design, however, deserves credit for minimizing the impact of the pilot errors and saving the lives of its passengers. The valuable lesson lies in learning from the pilots' actions and highlights how important good pilot training is to this day
Normally pilots are trained and have checks at least every 12 months usually for exactly those 90 seconds - engine out on takeoff.
@@hbh3144 Of course pilots are usually trained for these 90 seconds, but it's real-life we are talking about. The basics are often overlooked in training as they get implied, the quality of training facilities or trainers can also make a huge difference, and humans are still humans. What is trained does not mean what is learned. Human error does not start in the cockpit, it ends there.
Underrated comment.
As a pilot from Russia, I confirm that information about bird activities is an essential part of ATIS information. However, there could be no presence of birds at all. It is the only way for an airport staff to shift the responsibility for a birdstrike on a pilot or nature. So usually, we really do not pay any attention to this part of the information and do not include it in a briefing at all.
There are many more things that seem to be done not to provide safety but to fulfill the requirements of government, authorities, or some rules
@@tol31999So true, so true
US the same
The French airports love their reports of birds as well as “phenomena” haha
Basil Fawlty had that joke, DO NOT MENTION THE WAR.
In all countries people are flying planes, and there are birds, and things go down bloody fast, let us be glad it was just some injuries. Let pilots learn lessons from this. German or Southafrican seagulls are just as large or fluffy. Bird shit happens.
I remember reading the article by Admiral Cloudberg, and notifying your team of it.
I’m glad you got round to analysing it on your channel!
Glad you enjoyed it! I was working with Kyra in this one.
@@MentourPilot That was indeed great, thank you very much!
As you began to learn russian, I advise you to check out the story, that happened 21 august 1963, when Tu-124 of Aeroflot landed safely on Neva river in Leningrad (now Saint-Petersburg). All the passengers and crew members made it. It was full 45 years before Hudson miracle. And yes, I do believe, you can tell this story in your professional manner.
This ☝️
The pilots didn't save the passengers, the airplane did. Well done, Airbus!
In the Miracle on the Hudson, Captain Sully called for APU start as soon as he suspected that both engines might fail. Starting the APU before the ECAM actions called for it ensured continuous AC electrical power and no ram air turbine deployment. As soon as the RAT deploys, there's no more Normal Law for the rest of the flight, even if the APU generator comes online seconds later. Without Normal Law, there's no Alpha Protection. Engine 2 is the hero of the Ural flight. This crew would have been in Direct Law with the gear down if they lost that engine, and they surely wouldn't have managed an off-field landing without fatalities if not for the computers holding alpha max. Frankly, Sully probably couldn't have either. His quick call on the APU was brilliant.
This. I'm so tired of people discrediting Sully, when a less experienced pilot wouldn't have thought about the APU, and might have made a completely fatal and failed decision to try returning to the airport when it was already too late to make it back safely.
Sully has zero chance of flying his plane, because he had zero engines. Meanwhile, this pilot crashed a functional plane due to a critical error. Sully managed multiple coherent messages to air traffic control, while this pilot only managed a single message with little information. Sully's copilot, Jeffrey Skiles, managed to complete the entire engine failure checklist before the crash, which investigators found difficult to do in simulations. Meanwhile, this copilot never managed the basic job of making sure the landing gear was up.
This flight was in an uninhabited cornfield, while Sully's plane failed in the middle of one of the most densely crowded places in the world. These pilots flew a straight line with no real troubleshooting, while Sully and his copilot made multiple navigational decisions to return to their original airport, then abort and make an emergency landing in the Hudson. Sully gave a brace for impact message to the passengers, while this pilot didn't utter a single word to his passengers.
There's a world of difference between these two crew members. Here, we see how an incompetent captain managed to crash a plane that could have flown, while Sully shows how many useful and important actions a captain can take in a handful of minutes. Yes, Sully didn't do everything literally perfectly, but here, we get to see a prime difference between a competent captain and an incompetent captain. I'm disappointed that people call Sully incompetent, when we have actually incompetent captains like this.
Is the moviesequence different from the report. Sully first saw both engines rolling back to idle, did the re-ignition procedure, that didn't work. We see lights going out in the cabin, and next thing Sully mentions 'I am starting the APU'.
@@Dirk-van-den-BergMy understanding from William Langewiesche's book Fly By Wire is that one of the engines on US Air 1549 was still operating enough to provide some electrical power, even though it wasn't producing much useful thrust.
Starting the APU was absolutely the right call, and it wasn't in the checklist. While there is some debate as to whether the Airbus Normal Law protections had any impact on US Air 1549, certainly a loss of electrical power and associated flight control degradation would have made the situation considerably harder to manage.
@@alexlowe2054 I don't know why people are still talking. They made a full simulation of the Sully's flight crashing while trying to return to the airport. So no safe landing as an option that means if he land it somewhere without casualties he is a hero. And he did it with his co-pilot. The general mistake is that people are trying to compare both situations, but there are major differences between them. Urals captain didn't put the gear up after calling "positive rate" and tried to hide it before crashing. Actually there were no calling positive rate, they just forgot about the gear with that amount of thrust it couldn't fly.
@@user-iu3ms5oj2hFrom what I’ve seen, Sully could only have returned to the initiating airport if he had executed an immediate return, but that’s not even possible except with hindsight. Realizing what happened and what CAN be done takes time - and unfortunately, that made a return flatly impossible. (In fact, no pilot was able to make a return when presented with the problem unless they did execute that return immediately, but pilots don’t train to react blindly, they train to evaluate, decide, then act.
And that takes time.)
An often unmentioned part of the Miracle on the Hudson… the excellent job the crew did going through the cabin to make sure everyone got out. One passenger had collapsed in the flooded aisle and would have drowned if not located on the second sweep. THIS is what kept the incident from costing lives.
The amount of information you provide on almost all of your videos is astounding. So much that a pilot friend of mine has said that most new pilots should watch your channel on their free time to stay frosty. Keep it up Petter as you’re providing an amazing service.
Thank you so much! We do try..
Amazing graphics, not to mention the clear explanations. I'm a 77-year-old woman, and the Mentour Pilot videos fascinate me.
I know this is serious business but I love the sentence "the engine was now subjected to more bird ingestion than it was certified for".
Was fishing the other day and saw a sea gull that looked like he was 20 pounds overweight
Man had neck rolls
Thing was practically a turkey dinner with all that weight
Well that tend to happen when you are the biggest and meaniest bird around (poor pigeons).
aww maaaan, and you really finished the turkey dinner comparison with that roasting XD
@@mormornie hmm... roasting.... might as well try it. :D hmmm now to look and see what the recommended herbs are.
Christmas 2024. Squirrels in parks get hugely overfed since covid and beyond, make a decent starter?
@redboyjan my aunt used to feed the squirrels in the back yard peanuts. Like several pounds a week. The squirrels were fat and they would bury peanuts all over the place... there were random peanut plants sprouting. The neighbors hated it. I found peanut shells under the hood of my car
Petter, you are absolutely right. The real hero is the aircraft. Airbus did a great job when they designed the fly-by-wire (FBW) system. Some critics say that the system puts the pilots out of the loop. Yes, it is great to have full control of your aircraft, but pilots can lose control if they are not properly selectred and trained, and then exposed to a stressful situation. There is no doubt that Airbus' FBW has saved many lives.
Indeed, and here it was probably the reason that this accident was survivable for all People on Board.
I must confess I first believed what is now discovered as a pure Propaganda Story and in fact a simple Lie: the Hero Story about the "Russian Sully´s".
It's also a good thing as many pilots, including this one, will try to keep the plane in the air rather than realize that it is time to fly the thing and try to land it as best as you can. This keeps spins and stalls and other ugliness from happening in those last few seconds.
As for mistakes, if you have a damaged engine, don't touch it as any change will likely make it worse. If you are still losing altitude, you're now looking for a place to land.
The argument I mostly hear isn't that Fly by Wire is bad as a concept so much as Airbus implementation of it isn't great and needs a lot of improvement in relationship to the pilots.
@@moalboris239 The issue is that there isn't any real feedback that is implemented when the pilots fight each other, so you can be doing the correct thing and not realize that the other person is being a muppet and freaking out/incapacitated/shocked into a daze/etc.
What's scary is the short amount of time it takes for these kind of incidents to take place, you really have to be on the ball there is no time for error. Love the work you do!
Petter explains things so well and professionally. If he was my pilot I would sit back and relax 😅
Interesting fact about the Herring gulls, their scientific name is "those chip stealing bastards" 😂
Common name is "Shitehawks"
We call them flying rats
🤣🤣🤣
On a famous L.A. beach, they are aiming for fish, not chips. And not a cheap one either. Very well trained for the prizeworthy swoop, these were.
One stole an entire Cornish pasty from me once. I still mourn its loss.
Gulls are great. They love facing into wind, meaning that they have their grey backs to you when you line up on the grey runway.
I spent the last week watching your videos with my father (USAF Colonel, ret) and we greatly enjoy your clear and detailed coverage presentations. He's 90 and started his career flying the F-89D/H/J and ended with the F-111A/F. He was surprised at the aircraft command changes. The man in the circuit still has final say but they clearly aren't the "stick men" of his years. In most cases, seems like the airplane flies itself and the man is just a systems manager. When he must take the stick in an emergency, he just takes queues from whatever instruments are available and reacts according to his training. No natural feel for flying when those things aren't working correctly. He cited a training flight in the F-111F toward the end of his career. On a target run-in the bomb-nav computer quit so dad started his stopwatch and executed the upcoming turn via dead reckoning. After the turn the bomb-nav started working again and they hit their target. Later, the young(er) captain who had been with him was telling everyone what a wiz the Colonel is without the computer. Dad said it was simply how he learned to fly: not to depend on other things, fly the plan yourself, get the job done. I spoke with a young B-52 nav a few years ago and he, separately, commented that they are one of the few who can continue with a mission if they lose the gizmos (GPS, etc.) because they still have some of the old gear. Even the sextant port is still useable, not that they trained him to do that. He'd taught himself. Said they' usually use it to shoot eggs out of if another BUFF is hotdogging them from behind.
Seems that natural flying feel is rare (I inherited it) and not all of those go into flying. However, the world needs far more people to fill commercial flight decks than the few who do. So, we end up with training and automation to fill the gap.
44:42 - That engine stayed intact while smashing into the ground at over 130 knots with no landing gear, that's some incredible engineering
Amazing video as always
If you might still be thinking their psychological evaluations sound really bad, remember that this is "under stress" and thus is measuring adrenaline responses. Both pilots primarily showed "fight" behavioral responses, which is completely normal under the conditions they were in. None of the typical adrenaline responses (fight, flight, freeze/flop, fawn) are good for aviation emergencies, but also, *everyone has them*. People who perform well under stress often have specifically trained themselves or been trained to do so, and that just makes it easier to cope and focus, it doesn't actually prevent the adrenaline response.
Heh. Didn't realize so many others had been added to fight/flight by this point, lol.
If you’re a pilot, I would prefer you choose flight eh
Ive been watching a lot of accident investigation videos/stories from chemical handling accidents to offshore oil and diving to aviation and I can say yours are by far the best. So many channels try to embellish the story or characterize the people involved and often times only go over the actual events of the accident and exclude all the surrounding info. I greatly appreciate that you include things like pilot experience and training relevance and everything from briefing to push off to evacuation, AND the investigations conclusions and recommendations. Your videos are clearly about education and how we can learn from others and not about creating a riveting story, because the events straight from the report already give that intrinsically. People like you are why the aviation industry has such a good safety record
Check out "Waterline stories", he only embellishes the titles.
where do I watch chemical handling accidents? :)
Any other channels you would recommend that cover lessons learned instead of glorifying tragedy? In addition to Mentour Pilot, I recommend the US Chemical Safety Board and Brick Immortar. I’m always looking for more opportunities to learn, and implement a safety mindset in my own life and work.
@@amykathleen2 "Plainly difficult" covers accidents of all sorts. "Defunctland" covers why lorrercoasters were shut down, be it accidents or economic problems.
@@BarafuAlbino waterline stories is one of the channels I'm referring to. He makes up characteristics about the individuals involved, adds suspense, and assumes what the people involved may be thinking. Then he caps it off at the end talking about clean up or what happened to the people involved after the accident, most of which cannot be learned from. This is why Mentour Pilot doesn't discuss repercussions done to the people involved because you don't learn from it. Waterline stories doesn't go into the recommendations made by the report or how safety has changed for the better in the sea-fairing world. He literally only does it to tell a story, not to educate
The situation in the cockpit is in stark contrast to the ditching on the Hudson, where the pilot monitoring calmly and methodically went through all checklists while the pilot flying pitched for best glide.
Plus Sully coordinated with ATC, to shorten emergency response times, and gave a warning to passengers to brace for impact, and his copilot helped effectively troubleshoot the problem. I can imagine the Hudson landing would have been noticeably worse with less communication. Worst case, the plane could have crashed into the middle of a dense New York suburb if they made the fatal decision to return to Laguardia.
The attention on details like always is amazing, even the airplane stairs says Aeroflot. Great video!
I have a vision of corn getting sucked into the engines and coming out popped! To put a proper soviet spin on it: The popping of the corn propelled the jet back into the sky and our superior pilots flew gently, and triumphantly, on to their destination. 🤣🤣
Hahaha
Long-time lurker here. I was hoping you'd cover this incident, Petter. A while ago, I listened to Russian pilots' perspectives on this particular case, but their insights were mostly speculative due to the lack of publicly available information.
As a sidenote, I used to only fly Ural Airlines until around 2016. In the early 2000s, while flying over Eastern Europe, our aircraft encountered a particularly stormy patch of weather, and the plane's movements became incredibly erratic (lots of abrupt nose dives and then climbs). All the passengers fell silent, essentially preparing for the worst. The pilots executed a forced (emergency?) landing, and fortunately, no one was seriously physically injured. Even today, I still can't tell you what happened, as the passengers were never briefed on the situation. This incident made me a nervous flyer for the better part of two decades, but I am in recovery now, thanks in no small part to your videos!
Tackar! Bra jobbat som vanligt!
And thanks to the team!
P.S.: My grasp of aviation terminology is still incredibly lacking, hence the edits.
Dude I’m going to be honest, that sponsor transitions was so clean 🔥
Dam, a free national geographic episode! 10/10
О, наконец-то выпуск про наших "сельхозавиаторов"! Спасибо, Peter! ❤
🙂👍🧡
Надо сказать Деноканю :) Denokan
Даа уж, не думал что всё так плохо у нас
ну то есть то, что мы все давно знали, Петер постарался, собрал это воедино и сделал понятным и ясным для ВСЕХ, даже самых тугодумов. Жаль только, что на русском языке, ни на ютубе, ни на тв мы этого ничего не увидим и не услышим. Они ж у нас "герои". Фильмы про них снимают.
@@freshname да, мне вот тоже захотелось поискать русскоязычные расследования, но не нашёл ничего кроме восхваления и превозношения
"What if the miracle happened despite the efforts of those heroes (=pilots)?"
You are so funny 😂
I’m not entirely sure why, but your videos are the only ones that can be played in “picture-in-picture” mode on my ipad! I’m always listening to something (usually a documentary on Netlix) while simultaneously doodling on my ipad (on Procreate) but I can’t quite work out why other RUclips vids won’t play in PIP mode except yours! 😂 All good though, means I can binge on your vids as I doodle away~~🎉 ✈️
Its a sign!
Thank you for saying "occupied by russia". As a Ukrainian, I really appreciate it.
That direct call to the first officer to call ATC reminds me of something you learn in emergency response. People will get stuck in the bystander effect or get shocked into non-responsiveness. To break out of it, you need to indicate both the person and the action they need to take. "Someone call 911" is less likely to be actioned than actually pointing at someone and say "you call 911" because people often assume someone else will handle it and they don't have to get involved. A 1969 study showed that when alone, 70% of people will aid someone in distress; in the presence of other people, only 40% will render aid. There are a lot of variables, including group cohesion where once someone starts intervening, it is more likely the rest of the crowd will get involved as well, and cultural variations can strongly influence the response, but it is something to keep in mind during emergencies.
Indeed.
A good argument for two pilots on the flight deck. They keep each other honest.
42:54 Is literally the face of a man who has no idea how he ended up there lol
Pilot: I hope I remembered to erase the cockpit voice recorder...
The dictator or the pilot? I mean not the best photo for both.
😂😂i thought the same too when i saw it.
@@jimmyzhao2673 Indeed, something like that.
* insert the "office" handshake pic
Thank you Petter! And thanks to the Mentour Pilot Team for this fantastic job. Very nice done, all of you. ❤
I really appreciate for that video, I'm asking for that 2 years ago, and finally made it. Thank you and all your team. ❤
So good to not have all my creators releasing on the same day. I, for one, appreciate the day change, Petter. Less overwhelming!
SAME
Yep, today is July 4th.
Don’t quite understand why I saw a commercial of Russian airline Ural Airline.
@@tankcommander6700 I’m afraid I’m not privy to the RUclips algorithm lol
watch one per day :p
90 seconds? It felt like a lifetime
I actually grinned when you said, 'All in one piece.'
Watching this, I just couldn't help hearing the lyrics in my head to "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls.
Ahahaha, Peter swearing in broken Russian had me rolling XD
This is like in DnD when the party continuously makes mistakes and acts like a bunch of idiots, but the DM has the mayor give them the keys to city anyway lol.
I've run some games in a modern fantasy setting before; I haven't had my players land a plane...yet...
True story - during a notoriously brutal module our DnD group was playing with about 8 players and a dozen high level characters (years of work), we reached the end of the module and did the dungeon crawling, fighting and puzzling stuff to wrap it up.
The final "puzzle" was a floor with colored tiles that changed each round. We had to cross it twice to get an item and then go back. Each round some tile colors changed and we were spending round after round trying to figure the pattern or significance of. All the while moving characters to different tiles, making actions, etc. Occasionally throwing a save roll. For probably a dozen rounds easily.
After moving on and ending the module that night the DM burst out laughing; it was a random pattern by dice roll and if you were on the color red it was "save or die". Dead dead.
We putzed around inside the trap while the dice just kept falling in our favor and we were all intact by undeserved sheer luck for long enough to get bored of the situation. Mr. Magoo'ed our way through the final bit.
@@RRVCrinaleyou need to run SpellJammer if you're running second ed (I think it can work with third ? But we don't associate with anyone of that persuasion 😉) DnD in space with its own lore, mechanics and items.
I wanted to run a campaign roughly putting our players and characters through Battlestar Galactica.
It's a really flexible framework and the battle mechanics include ships you build, battle and maintain, as well as the usual battle mechanics. Pick up the books or find a PDF of the originals (they're older now - our group uses Google drive with PDFs of stuff hard to find, they're out there digitally if you know where to look)
its called damage reduction.
just as the mayor is trying to get the party to move on to a different region with minimal damage incurred, the flight computers are trying to force the pilots to reconsider their career options without turning the plane (vehicle) into a plane (flat ground)
Thanks for a great unbiased review of this incident. Almost every living person on this planet seems to dislike their governments, but here in Russia we all hate how badly some things are done here in Russia. Waste dumps near our legendary airport?! Wow. Also that's a shame that pilots have forgotten to retract gears.
You wouldn't believe it
I thought literally one day before the video was published: "This Ural flight that landed in a cornfield... I would really love to see that on Mentour's channel"
Thank you SO much for the video Peter!
Thank you Petter and the team. Another brilliant video.
The worst outcome is that pilots never acknowledged any issues/developments points. Captain keeps telling that it was the best outcome possible and he wouldn’t change nothing in the way they’d operated - as you never know how retracting a gear could change performance of the aircraft.
Who is Peter?
@@Fitzrovialitter the host of the video.
@@Fitzrovialitterone who petes.
@@sinosinovski7804 Petter, not Peter FYI
Anchor comment
This is such high quality content! I don’t normally leave comments but can’t believe the amount of research that goes into each episode - from the airport layout, the pilots, the aircraft, everything in between and in this case - the details about the birds and laws. Amazing Petter and thank you!
37:45 When you try to contact Zhukovsky tower and Phuket approach responds, you know something's gone very wrong somewhere!
Yes.😂
Yeeees finally this one!, HOWEVER at timestamp 23:29 the ATC title "Phuket Approach" is totally misplaced. It should be [airport] Tower. Just some small details for next time😊
My god. The seagulls are immune to propane and propane accessories...
That boy ain't right
I’ll tell you h’wat
Immune to drone guns. Immune to trained goshawks. They always overwhelm by numbers. Even worse, every day they wake me up at sunrise.
i've only recently started watching the show. i wonder how many references are wasted on my over the years.
I don't know you *kick!*
Production quality is on point! Awesome vids every time. 👌
Thank you!
@@MentourPilot Feels worth mentioning the only caveat: Tower controller has still the "Phuket Approach" label in the pan-pan call. Still a great video tho - thank you!
yes, both on the video and the airplane
@@MentourPilotare you making them in ms simulator? I think with ms simulator 2024 it would be even cooler❤
Outstanding video. Learned a lot from it: use of rudder trim, bird effects on engine, and reinforced checklist discipline. Good job.
The thematic link between birds and pilots who both, very naturally, came to ignore constant warnings of danger! It's an excellent observation, and very nicely woven into the script.
Stories how Ural land their planes in the fields can be a series 😅
it's true 😄
Yes, indeed.😂
And in both recent cases the landing gear was not retracted which led to the crash in the first place lol
Its the Claytons runway
They sound like the Aerosucre of Russia
Your enthusiastic swearing in Russian was blieting brilliant!
They should have given the aircraft an award!
It will be funny to you, but a Ural Airlines plane recently landed on the field.... for the second time! :D This happened in September,12 2023.
Quote from Wikipedia:
At 01:14 MSK, flight 1383 took off from Sochi and headed for Omsk. The flight to the destination went smoothly. During the final stage of approach to runway No. 7, at an altitude of 600 meters, the crew aborted the approach due to a technical malfunction in the airliner's hydraulic system. An emergency was declared, and the crew headed to Tolmachevo airport in the Novosibirsk region.
Landing location on the map
At the Tolmachevo airport, the runway is 1 km longer than the Omsk one, which reduced the risk of an accident to almost zero. According to the calculations of the crew, the fuel reserve should have been enough for an additional segment of the journey, but due to a strong headwind, the fuel consumption turned out to be higher, and 200 km before Novosibirsk the crew realized that they would not be able to fly. Therefore, a plot of wheat field was found near the village of Kamenka, Ubinsk district, Novosibirsk region, where the forced landing took place.
At 09:44 KRAT, the airliner made an emergency landing on a wheat field in the Ubinsky district of the Novosibirsk region, but no one was injured.
I can tell your production quality has gone up extremely since the start of this channel! Love the video, as I always do. Fun fact, this was the first of two times a Ural Airlines A320 has belly landed in a crop field with no fatalities!
Pioter, would you consider doing a video on the people who do the incident investigations? i am curious as to what sort of qualifications these super sleuths need to do this highly interesting and very technical work. It's one of those careers no one thinks about so you might be able to inspire some young minds! Your content, as always, is awesome. Thank you and your team. I do miss the lazy dog in the background though. Peace.
That would be neat. Though his name is actually Petter, and he is not russian. haha.
@@lordlundin6495 Must be the colloquial language skills that caused the confusion.
Every time I watch this I give more respect to Pilots and their Training
I LOVE the fact that you got an unofficial copy of the report and had it translated, thank you for that. As always, your accident analysis are fantastic. However, just a couple of details I’d like to bring to your attention: A-320 family does NOT have a memory item for engine stall, high EGT, etc…. Thats a Boeing thing.
The other one: you mention that Airbus’ ALPHA FLOOR prevents pilots from pitching up. That’s not the case, Alpha Floor commands TOGA Thrust from the engines. What you’re probably referring to is ALPHA PROT, which only prevent a higher AOA, but not against Pilot input on the sidestick.
the survival rate of 100% is nothing short of luck to the maximum. the Hudson landing was as well a miracle, being landing on water increases potential of breakup and drowning. the pilots involved in the "miracle of the Hudson" actually piloted well right to the end, the airframe staying together was the miracle. in the case of this flight the pilots lost awareness thus lost control of the aircraft. the airbus flight control systems managed to stabilize the aircraft enough that the airframe did not break apart.
well done airbus.
this pilots were in more problems than sully because they were way lower at the beginning
Didn't Sully also get saved by Airbus stall protection? It was that protection that allowed for the slowest possible "landing". Other than that not much in common, this was pathetic showing by the pilots.
Saying it was just luck doesn't give nearly enough credit to the Airbus engineers.
@@AxMi-24 That is true, but it was only possible because Sully ordered the APU start as soon as he realised both engines were in trouble.
Only with an engine or the APU active do you get flight protection.
Well, you could also state it differently, that if this would have happened in an aircraft with no automation systems, the pilot would know dang sure to push that right rudder pedal, and he'd know that the autopilot wouldn't do it for him. But here the airbus is like helping you, but not quite, you need to do the rest.
Disclaimer: I'm not against these modern systems, I'm just saying that the absence of these systems in this situation, wouldn't necessarily mean a crash.
it's always a great day when there's a new video from this channel
Ну наконец-то! Видос о нашей кукурузе! Спасибо, Mentour Pilot!
Finally, a vid about our so called "miracle in corn", Thank you =)
Quality of this video is detailed and amazing thank u for uploading in 4K 60fps...
Another great video, and better than the ones on TV. I was binge watching the other day and noticed you've not really done many historical ones, like from the 1950's, 60's, & 70's. It would be great to see you cover historical events with both what they had a the time, what improved, and what new safety features were added.
As a little side comment, I remember my mum telling me about a flight she went on for holiday before she passed away in 2012. The pilot said the following, if we lose one, two, or even three engines don't worry, if we lose the forth one then we've got a heck of a problem. This was back in the early 70's a few years before I was born and the air plane had prop engines.
Another amazing video Petter , you have helped me find my calling and inspired me to go to aviation school and get my pilots license. I start soon and couldnt be more excited.
Keep up the amazing content!
Good work! Follow your dreams and may they take you on wonderful adventures.
It's a good time to enter the industry, too.
I wanted to become an airline pilot. Life took me in other directions. I still love aviation and the sky, and with BasicMed I can at least work on my PPL.
Your content and explanations are so great that even for a non pilot like me, it makes sense. After watching your videos for a while now, I finally joined your Patreon, you deserve support!! Thanks again for the awesome content!!
Hahahahh, NOW I get your “😉😉” response to the comment on your previous video! Thanks for this video, appreciate it so much. Great quality as usual!
You are so welcome!
Thank You Petter, just visited your channel to check when did you upload your last vide and then and there i saw this. Thank you for you work . Stay blessed, Stay Happy!
Just a side note, you uploaded this video after 11 days, not 12. we really appreciate you doing that!
Who is peter?
@@Fitzrovialitter Peter (capital P) is the man talking in this video! ;)
@@listenerererz oh never noticed the (P), thanks
@listenerererz There are no "Peter" 's or "peter" 's talking in this video.
@@Fitzrovialitter just fixed it, hope this is correct and thx
Watching all these Mentour videos, I need my pilot license. They are so deep and should be a must watch for all pilots
Glad you are enjoying them
I don't mean to disparage Russian pilots, but my military mind hears "preflight medical check" as " preflight drug and alcohol screening."