A Conversation With... Isis King and Janet Mock
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- America's Next Top Model's first transgender contestant, Isis King, sits down with People.com staff editor and transgender advocate, Janet Mock, for a conversation about representations of transgender people in media.
Two beautiful women is what I see, they are both in a place in life where they feel right and are happy and that's all that matters :)
so agreed, Sstirr! Well said :-)
I liked when Janet mentioned the inappropriate questions during that CNN interview! It is really sad when someone reduces a trans-person to a "petting zoo animal" instead of acknowledging what achieving personalities and careers they have! When will that change? Will it ever?..
Transgendered people deserve the right to be themselves and live their life without fear.
Nothing gives you the right to harass these people!
They are not harming others in any way.
RubenBababa Baba And women deserve the right to space.
Here's my take: ask yourself "Does this affect me? Does it detract IN ANY WAY from my quality of life, how I live, where I work, who I marry, etc.?" I can almost guarantee that the answer to all of those question is going to be a resounding "No."
Given that reality, it behooves us all - especially you who insist on superimposing your morality (or lack thereof) and values (or lack thereof) on a world that you know little to nothing about - to simply allow each human being the freedom and dignity to live their lives in whichever manner brings them happiness and joy.
Completely agree with you, Guy Fawkes! Beautiful comment from a beautiful person! You rock!
Folks, I'm a transwoman just like these two in this video. Believe me when I tell you that ANYBODY who is les/gay/bi/trans really is born that way. Lady Gaga is actually right. They DO NOT choose to be this way. This IS NOT a lifestyle they live. Over the last 4.5 years, I've taken the time to really get to know these people. In nearly every other way, THEY ARE PEOPLE just like you.
Everybody in this world is either part of the problem or part of the cure for what ails the world. Haters and bigots are part of the problem. LGBT people and their allies are part of the cure.
To Guy Fawkes: V for victory!
+G Fawkes this is the first reasonable youtube comment i have ever read.
Liz Hannah
Thank you for the compliment. (-:
+G Fawkes i can name a few people that have been directly affected by this. on deliberate terms. there is a woman who refused to supply flowers to a homosexuals wedding. there is a pizza restaurant who was closed down because of threats directly from the lgbt community for not catering a homosexuals wedding. there is a judge who was jailed for not signing wedding licenses. and yes, there are many many more. the problem we have is when we do not mess with them, why do they come looking for us?? dont say they werent because you will not convince me. who the hell wants their wedding to be catered by a pizzaria???? and if one place doesnt want to supply flowers to your wedding why cant you just go ask someone else????? thats what WOMEN do. they shop around. one place isnt able to do it?? fine go somewhere else. not a big deal. you dont see us taking people to court because they have a church event on OUR wedding day do you???? the term BITCH fits so nicely right here. maybe you boys need to take a lesson from a real woman. you might just learn something. so the answer to your question is a resounding yeeeeees
*****
First and foremost, the question was whether or not how and whom people choose to love or be affects YOU directly. Of course the answer is "no" - unless you CHOOSE to let it affect you. Pretty goddamn simple.
The individuals you refer to CHOSE to either A. Discriminate or B. Failed (in the case of the COUNTY CLERK, not judge) to follow the ruling of the SCOTUS. It's a simple case of equal treatment. Look up the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
As for your argument, it's feeble. If you and your church can't work out a schedule, then fucking elope.
I watched Isis, in another RUclips vid, when she first appeared on Tyra's chat show and now watching her here...all I can say is WOW!! How much her confidence has grown is just incredible! And she looks amazing, she really does. Never seen Janet before, but she really is a beautiful woman! This really was a brilliant one to one interview!
I transitioned 20 years ago, worked hard educating people, speaking on college campuses, radio, TV and in newspapers. When I see these beautiful women, with a real platform for dignified discourse on the issue of gender. I feel like the work I did wasn't wasted. I know that they'll accomplish more than I could've dreamed and the day when people are judge by (as Dr. King would say) "The content of their character." is one day closer. Did you see Lana Wachowsky's HRC award speech? Bless you two..
This segment was powerful and needed. Isis and Janet have important histories that must be shared.
amen ;) Thank you Isis and Janet, amazing interview...
I love this. Two very strong women advocating and bringing to light the Transgender community. I feel so inspired! More conversations, maybe even a television show is needed to be had about this emerging, ever-changing topic! I LOVE JANET MOCK!!!
These two trans women are great role models. They carry themselves like ladies and had a very intelligent conversation.
What an intelligent and inspiring conversation! As a gay young man I feel that those two women represent the best of our LGBT community. I laughed hard at Janet "That's what Tyra would say: You're dismissed." LOL
Janet is doing a wonderful job portraying a concerned modern woman, and brings out the issues important to all people and not just transgendered persons, and her message is both important and inspirational.
Awesome, interview focusing on the issues, challenging the uneducated, confronting the misinformed, and sharing their personal journey.
JANET MOCK IS SO GOOD AT SPEAKING LIKE DAMN YOU GO GIRL
ITS A BIG LIAR
I love these women!
These are beautiful woman speaking such sense! I respect that everyone has opinions but those who choose to spend their time leaving nasty and hateful comments about people like these woman who are just trying to make the world a better place for everyone. Everyone, regardless of race, gender identity, sexual orientation or age, deserves respect so long as they are not doing hateful things themselves. THIS IS THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY PEOPLE!
They're such beautiful, bright, sincere transwomen. Much respect, keep your heads up ladies!
I just watched this conversation between two young, accomplished, articulate trans-women. I am so confident that our shared future is in capable hands. The two of you make us all so proud and hopeful.
Theresa Sparks
San Francisco
this is so great, wish it had more views!
So much ignorance in some of these comments. Good on them for living their truth and motivating others to do the same.
You are both so beautiful. As a happily married man, I am so proud of you both for being openly honest about your lives and histories and also, as a human being, attracted to you both as beautiful women, and hope that my wife will not be jealous! ;P She knows she is number 1. ;)
Thank you ladies - inspiring, enlightening and truly an example of how to just 'be' ... with grace, poise, intelligence and panache!
This was an excellent chat. The points they made about transgender 101 questions reminds me of Oscars backstage interview with Jamie Fox and Jenifer Hudson AFTER she won for best supporting role. All of the "journalist" were asking Black actors 101 questions. Jenifer Hudson was asked about her weight. She just won an Oscar, what the heck does that has to do with anything. Another example is Joan Rivers. I appreciate Joan Rivers (may she rest in peace) but every time she had Black guest on her "In The Bed with Joan" online talk show, her questioning and/or response was always centered around race. For God sake, you had Rupaul on your show and all you can think of are transgender 101 questions? Really? He's not even a transgender. You had an opportunity to ask him so many in-depth questions but instead came off offensive and unprofessional as if you didn't do your research. A real journalist would be prepared!
i loved the honesty between them. we need more conversations like this!
Keep up the great work ladies. You're both incredible role models!
It always bothered me growing up, watching the Jerry Springer show and Maury, how those shows made a guessing game of these women's transitions. They would ask the audience to essentially guess who they thought was amab, so the cis girls would get the opportunity to feel offended if someone dare imagine that they weren't assigned female at birth furthering the dysphoria of trans women by telling them that their existence is an insult to cis girls. I think it was an irresponsible representation of trans women and I'm so happy to see transgender women coming forward in the media and saying "Enough is enough"
+Sam Marrier Good observations, Sam. But Jerry Springer "invited" those women on, probably for pay as well. So they don't have any excuse for being "embarrassed" as they chose to accept the invitation.
You negative and idiotic people really should understand ....regargless of how you feel this is happening and theres nothing that can stop it from progressing to change the views of many people in the world!!!
You ladies did well...continue to be my role models!
yu are another sick misgender
This need to happen more often. Thank you ladies, you made me feel empowered again.
amazing discussion with two powerful women of color!! we need more of this!!
What a fantastic inspiration! Isis and Janet, thank you so much for speaking out and proud.
thank you.....tears
To all the transphobes in the comments, you knew this was gonna be about transgender. Their living their lives how they want to. At the end of the day no matter how much you hate trans people/ gay people/ whatever we're gonna be here. We've always been here we'll always be here.
great discussion
"curiosity is the first step in getting to know someone"
LOL. You see the BEFORE interviews and pictures and them stating I'm a man." I HAVE!!! RUclips search them and you will find them! By their own admission! Not my assumption they're ADMISSION!
Hats off girls, i admire your strenght (and beauty) to be who you are meant to be. I believe this qoute is not out of order here: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
Powerful Video...thank you for sharing right from the heart and your life experiences!
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Isis has the best eye roll ever.
Lovely interview. Very frank, insightful.
She (mock) shoudl take her own advice , check her emotions, and kindly/politely correct people when they accidently offend her. Thats not what she did to pierce morgan. she lost her cool and acted like a child.
Wow! That was beautiful!
A woman I used to work with has a 6 yr old transgender child. She began at a very young age displaying signs that she was not comfortable with her gender. Her mother is very supportive, but obviously going through a lot. All the changes have been made at home to accomodate the new outward appearance including a name change, but the community they live in is a different story. She says people confront her all the time about "What's going on with her child?" I find this subject very interesting.
Thank you..!! Watching you two lovely ladies gives me hope & pride! Thank you both for every second that you have given for #girlslikeus everywhere..!! -3
Great conversation.
Such a good talk.
I love these two! I've been thinking about the tiresome Trans 101 discussions. They bother me too. But then it clicked. That part about education. I think the rest of America is just not up to speed on the issue. Educate us! There has to be more dialogue on respectful terminology, as well as WHY the talks on transitioning are frustrating. I get it, I truly do. But when you watch that terrible Don Lemon interview, you can see that the mainstream is just beginning to explore this issue. Keep it up. Stay in the public eye, be brave, and spread love. From a straight identifying woman, I support you!
the reason these discussions are so tiring is because that is literally all these women are ever asked. they are such amazing activists, many of them pour their hearts out in front of people they think are listening BECAUSE this is so important to them, they do so much and then they're reduced to their bodies and to their transition again like none of that even matters. trans women are reduced to their bodies already, seen as sex objects (the stereotype of the sleazy, dirty trans woman street walker) or freaks to ogle at (the stereotype of the woman with tree trunk legs, adams apple and a crotch bulge, the "shes a man!" reveal trope, etc. all reducing these women to their bodies.) most people, even children and older people are aware of how to use google - they can look up "what does transitioning mean for trans women/trans men?" "what kind of things do trans people go through?" "how can i talk about these things respectfully?" those sorts of common questions. there is so little value in having this discussion over and over BECAUSE of the availablilty of that information. it's not up to these women to "educate", which im sure to you means "talk over and over about hormones so that they can be gawked at by a studio audience". this is literally exactly what they were saying in the video, the entire time.
omg i love Janet mock ,,.. she's from where im from hawaii . and IRIS IS SO FLAWLESS
my wife is trans and I love her so!
Thanks!
thank you ladies :)
I LOVE YOU JANET MOCK!
Great women to be proud of and respect
This video is so perfect, inspiring, and enlightening.
Janet Mock is SO BEAUTIFUL OMG!!! I love her hair!
They are both so PRETTY.
"to me it's like the n word...I say 'Well I'm a black woman and I'm transgender so I'm telling you, when somebody says it is has the same effect on me.'" YES!! Well said, Isis!
I'm a trans women, and that's what we were called and how we referred to ourselves in the day... no big deal!!! that's the reality!!!¡!
I love that @JanetMock called out dragqueens and specifically RuPaul as irresponsible in their use of transnegative language.
i am so inspired
You girls are an inspiration
They really look like women.
Wow ! Technology is amazing
What a couple of lovely intelligent women! I'm going to have to follow their careers more : )
Everybody have the right whatever want to be, if she is not satisfied with her gender and she can change, do it! I stand by you no matter the midia say. Go ahead brave Janet and be happy! Pursuing our dreams as a transgender woman. After all, nature fails in some points you are a proving of that. Shame on them to not understand people like you. Congratulations on you once more for your brave actitude!
I feel what they are saying about the Rupaul comment, but they neglected all the great things Ru' has done for the LGBT community, and the power he has given trans performers
beautiful and intelligent TG.
this is so gross! why do people think this is ok
I don't know joe and yu are right it should pray for forgiveness from god I first saw it on sick ass maher show of all the nerve!!!!!!
This is how it should be now, and in the future, hopefully it won't even be an issue-not even a blip on the radar screen.
??? Girls? I don't see any girls in this interview. What girls are you referring to?
wow I never realized the teams 101 question thing...learned something new everyday and I'm gay #lgbtCanLearnNewThingsToo
No one's safe.
why do non trans people always feel the need to rub it in. i honestly don't know if im female neurologically but i feel female and when i try to live as a man it is extremely uncomfortable. Maybe im neither. Maybe i'm inter sex. i just dont worry about it its confusing. I identify as a woman because thats the most comfortable thing to do and it makes me happy. So please just respect us as human beings regardless of what you believe pls respect how we identify. saying YOUR A MAN and rubbing it in is unnecessarily cruel!
Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Well done ladies! I want to take a sledgehammer to folks that ask Trans101 questions, They make me crazy,, I want to scream grow up and get past crawling, learn to walk, then run with me
These two beautiful, smart women rock as does Chaz Bono, Jamison Greene and the other successful activists and advocates. Time to joint the fray, I believe.
Anyway, remember:
A small group of dedicated people can change the world. Heck, one person can. Best example I know of: The Mahatma Gandhi!
As humans, we alone among the animals of The Earth have a choice: The low road of hatred or the high road of love. I believe once we get the facts and benefits to EVERYBODY that love is the way, society will evolve positively.
Peace & Joy
The interest you generate from society is the result of the basic --- changing your sex --- so the spark and curiosity will revolve around that! No on cares about the other facets that make you a person. They should, but they don't. As a black gay man, walking don't the street that is what society sees and that is what sparks the debate. It's not whether I have three degrees from Harvard. It will always be about the basic --- the 101, because of the curiosity.
I love you both. I'm. Transgender woman . Very hard to be one
Isn't it amazing the same people who are saying this video makes them sick...who told you to watch it hmm some curiosity there wouldn't ya say
there are so many judgmental ignorant people, they must have felt so smart and so good about themselves, being negative and being ignorant.
Your an amazing guy ;)
sin is an issue of fellowship which can lead us away, but he always leaves the herd to find the one and brings them back. Nothing wrong with disipline and most people have their season in sin, and its short lived. God knows the hearts of each of us, much better then you, as you seem to be judging what you see, hear and let me know how long you can stay holy or sinless, Id like to find one who can say that, i have tried and the harder one tries, the faster you fail. Beware of works salvation.
I REALLY hope Don Lemon sees this video, he dropped the ball on his segment. =/
Looking at these two trans-women, they're very real. There is absolutely nothing about them that is mannish or hard looking. Yet, when you watch the depictions of trans-women on TV, they are almost always depicted as very hard and brickish looking.
wwoww if they wouldn't said that theyre transgender I would never know I swear.
Tell*
How much does everyone want to go through Transgender 101. I just love when When someone asks me what is my real name. I had to sign an affidavit of identity just the other day that the name used for an oil lease was in fact my name. But I had the documents to prove the that I was in fact the same person. When that happens I want them to watch Calpernia Addams's Bad Questions to Ask a Transsexual on RUclips.
well I might just end up a t preacher, someday but my feeling is we really are eunichs, though much evolved since ancient times, when you look at photos of the eunichs, Ive seen some historical photos, I can see sissy all up in their faces just like us today. You know jesus puts us high if we follow his statues, so we should truely be uplifted with that in mind, and many should feel whatever we sacrifice for him, we should be commended for. Again alot to do on this subject. xo to the youth
JANET MOCK I LIKE YOUR SWAG DIVA I DID READ YOUR SURPASSING CERTIANTY NOVEL IN PRISON IN 2018 AT HARDEE C.I I HAVE YOUR FIRST BOOK HERE I WILL READ IT TO SOON 3/24/20.
there so beautiful
What has homosexuality got to do with Transsexual people?
Forgive me in advance for my ignorance and if I'm being offensive that is not my intention. What if a transgender what to have your own biological children do u freeze your eggs or sperm b4 u have have gender assignment surgery
Yes, that's currently the only option that's available to us. (Biologically. We're still as capable of fostering and adopting as anyone else.)
wow Janet! I don't see a man anywhere!
I think these two people are beautiful the best thing you can do for someone is to let them be themselves, from the day we are born male and females are given standards to live up to and they get harder to reach as we grow up and it drives a deeper and broader wedge between the two sexes , in the beginning there was supposed to be no distinction between the two , they were one, but the enemy came in and has tried to broaden what it meant to be male or female overtime, Ive read the bible 3 times
TYPO MADE A MISTAKE ON HER NAME Isis KING AND JANET OUR TO GORGEOUS WOMEN ... BEING TRANSGENDER ... HAS NO BARING OVER YOU NOT BEING A REAL WOMEN OR MAN .... BECAUSE IN REALITY THEY are women HUMAN NATURE IS NEVER PERFECT WE ALL HAVE SET BACKS ,,... BUT IN UR UNIQUENESS IS WHAT MAKES EVERY ONE SPECIAL .....
there are many books in the world, why should we read the bible? How is it different from every other book out there?
this Janet mock is all about self-promotion. Lost respect for her since the Piers Morgan interview. Very ungrateful.
ungrateful like she has to bow down down just because she's trans
I couldn't keep up with the standards that the front pew crowd kept at church, I got tossed out headlong, I don't have a people , I pray alone.....
Aint it something how its always in THE MIND that they feel the opposite sex but the body and internal organs are speak otherwise!!!
PEOPLE GOTTA GET OVER THERE INSECURITY ... AND SELF HATE WHEN IT COMES TO RACE GENDER RELIGION AND SELF IMAGE
she pretty
They cant think of any other trans woman on TV Try Candis Cayne. How come you dont see any of these famous trans folk who claim to represent the trans community actually putting time in at support groups. Not just standing behind a mic promoting them selves and their life story. But actually going to street level and helping trans folk. Just cutting the ribbon that opens a road is far different from actually getting dirty cutting and keeping the road clear is very different.
This is actually a joke right.. Janet Mock is a trans ACTIVIST do your homework. She's not in the interview but Lavern Cox is a trans woman and a trans activist.... both these women are doing huge things for justice, trans issues, visibility, and over all education. VISIBILITY matters
Just because a trans woman makes it to fame and wealth it dose not make them an activist. How many of them get off of the soap box and actually help trans. Do you have any clue how many trans youth are homeless. How many of these famous trans activist reach out to the homeless trans...
Vickytg23 You're 100% correct, there is a disgusting disproportion of homeless youth who are trans. Activism comes from spreading awareness too which is what Janet Mock and Laverne Cox constantly do. Especially Laverne, she made a film and helped release a trans woman of color from prison named CeCe MacDonald (spelling may be off). Anyways, I really admire these women but you're right. I don't know if we'll know if they give back to charities etc, but they are activists none the less by providing visibility, opportunity models, spreading awareness, and actively aiding those struggling in the trans community. Janet Mock was big on trying to aid Jane Doe, the 16 yr old trans WOC in prison. I hope you're able to see all the good they are doing and still trying to do(:. Hopefully more trans* folk will have the same platform and visibility to promote more changes!
xoxmeghanoxo My Mom was brown skinned middle eastern decent my Dad was white I dont care about color. When you show me that the above mentioned women take their stars out of the sky and go street level and I dont mean high profile cases then I will say activist and not self promoting.
Janet is pretty, Isis isn't all that, but then again there are a lot of models that aren't all of that.